Suikoden!.. WOW

[quote name='Purkeynator']So what is the deal with game saves from one game affecting another? I am not seeing what I am looking for on Gamefaqs.[/quote]

Getting all 108 stars in the first one will get you items in the second one. And if you get all 108 stars in that one, you'll get something for III.
 
[quote name='Calamityuponthee']Suikoden is in my top 3 favorite RPG series.

II is by far the best one.. the story, characters are top notch. The translation and music are fucking horrible, but I can easily forgive it.

V and I are great, III is good while IV and Tactics blow.

Hopefully they make VI.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Konami really botched the translation. A lot of the runes are ill-named, not to mention several of the towns are screwed up.

Now the music is a matter of opinion. I happen to like a majority of the tracks. Reminiscence happens to be one of my favorite song from almost any game. Theme of a Moonlit Night is pretty good, and I'll be damned if Gothic Neclord isn't awesome. Of course, there's a few I hate, Silent Room being the main culprit.

Ahh... this just reminds me of how much I need to go back and play through Suikoden V again to get the best ending...
 
[quote name='depascal22']Getting all 108 stars in the first one will get you items in the second one. And if you get all 108 stars in that one, you'll get something for III.[/quote]

I thought you could only do the save loading in 2. Also, you unlock 2 non-star characters for loading the save data.

[quote name='BlueLobstah']Now the music is a matter of opinion. I happen to like a majority of the tracks. Reminiscence happens to be one of my favorite song from almost any game. Theme of a Moonlit Night is pretty good, and I'll be damned if Gothic Neclord isn't awesome. Of course, there's a few I hate, Silent Room being the main culprit.[/quote]
Isn't Theme of a Moonlit Night in most of them, if not all of them? It's normally the song that's played during the night before the decisive battle, right? Good stuff.
 
[quote name='BlueLobstah']Yeah, Konami really botched the translation. A lot of the runes are ill-named, not to mention several of the towns are screwed up.

Now the music is a matter of opinion. I happen to like a majority of the tracks. Reminiscence happens to be one of my favorite song from almost any game. Theme of a Moonlit Night is pretty good, and I'll be damned if Gothic Neclord isn't awesome. Of course, there's a few I hate, Silent Room being the main culprit.

Ahh... this just reminds me of how much I need to go back and play through Suikoden V again to get the best ending...[/QUOTE]

The songs you listed are probably the best in the game... I just didn't dig most of the songs. Mainly the town ones.

Trust me though, the soundtrack doesn't make the game any worse. Luca Blight is my favorite villain of all time.
 
Suikoden 2 over any game. Best time spent, good music, good story, plots and twists and best of all best character development. Plus the graphics are nice too and the different characters.
I played 2 first, and after playing part 1 I knew which was better.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']It's Theme of a Moonlit Night in most of them, if not all of them? It's normally the song that's played during the night before the decisive battle, right? Good stuff.[/quote]

The manual for III says that you can import save files from II to unlock something. I never found out what it was but there's definately something there. Any Suikoden experts know what it is?
 
[quote name='depascal22']The manual for III says that you can import save files from II to unlock something. I never found out what it was but there's definately something there. Any Suikoden experts know what it is?[/QUOTE]

If I recall correctly, it unlocks some additional scripts for the theater (some for II, additional ones if II used I's play data), and the names of the armies in the previous game.

[quote name='Calamityuponthee']
Trust me though, the soundtrack doesn't make the game any worse. Luca Blight is my favorite villain of all time.[/QUOTE]

He's my most "hated" villain of all time, next to Kefka. Not "I want to stab my self because this boss is hard" hate, but rather the hate because you KNOW this character is so inherently evil. No other villain in any other game can hold a candle to Luca Blight.

It just baffles me at how great the whole storyline is and how interested you get with all of the characters. I haven't seen any other recent series that even comes close to capturing this level of internal conflict.
 
I guess I only remembered the inclusion of previous save loading in 2 because that let you get
McDohl and Gremio
in your party later on.

I want my Suikoden VI. :cry:
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']I want my Suikoden VI. :cry:[/QUOTE]

Ditto. But I'm not concerned yet. Why?

Suikoden I (3 yrs.) Suikoden II (3.5 yrs.) Suikoden III (2 yrs.) Suikoden IV (1.5 yrs.) Suikoden V

It's only been two years since V was released, and I think 3 years between an iteration would not seem unreasonable. Now, if we don't hear anything by the end of 2008, then I'll be concerned.

I believe Konami typically announces this at the Tokyo Game Show, so if this is in development I'm pretty sure we'll hear about it then.
 
[quote name='BlueLobstah']Ditto. But I'm not concerned yet. Why?[/quote]

I'm not really concerned either. I just want it. Suikoden is probably my favorite series, so by the time I finish a game, I'm ready for the next one.

Suikoden I (3 yrs.) Suikoden II (3.5 yrs.) Suikoden III (2 yrs.) Suikoden IV (1.5 yrs.) Suikoden V
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There's a slight flaw in this reasoning, I think. This is the time between the release dates. You should really look at the time from game release to sequel announcement, I think.
 
[quote name='suko_32']I thought it was confirmed that Suikoden VI was going to be on the Wii.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure it was just a rumor. It would be cool but with the way current gen consoles are diversified, I think the Wii is the worst choice for the next Suikoden.
 
The Suikoden VI going to the Wii rumor has been floating around for like the past year. I think it came around because there was some list of games being developed for the consoles and there was an "Unnamed Konami RPG" on the list for the Wii.
It makes sense though mostly because the Wii would be the cheapest to develop for and Suikoden isn't exactly a big name series. I personally would like it to go to the Wii if for no reason other than that's the only one of the 3 that I currently own.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']I'm not really concerned either. I just want it. Suikoden is probably my favorite series, so by the time I finish a game, I'm ready for the next one.

There's a slight flaw in this reasoning, I think. This is the time between the release dates. You should really look at the time from game release to sequel announcement, I think.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but I'm not sure when all the dates were announced. But for the more recent ones I want to say it was about 6 months to a year before the actual release.

As far as Suikoden VI being on the Wii, I really can't see it not be on a Nintendo system this generation be it the Wii or the DS. I don't really have the statistics to back it up but it seems that most post-ps2 (non-western) RPGs have been on a Nintendo console. That could just be because I only own Nintendo systems this generation, but I don't know.
 
[quote name='BlueLobstah']\ I don't really have the statistics to back it up but it seems that most post-ps2 (non-western) RPGs have been on a Nintendo console. That could just be because I only own Nintendo systems this generation, but I don't know.[/quote]

Considering the RPGs are still being released for the PS2, I don't see how you could say JRPGs are mostly coming out on Nintendo consoles. Hell, I didn't know the Wii had any RPGs except for Baroque and that was also released on the PS2.

As for Suikoden coming out on the Wii, it's plausible but after everything that went on with the console launches, I'll wait for a news release or trailer.
 
Suikoden is the only reason, outside of God of War, that I can see myself buying a PS3.
But even though V was pretty damn good I severely doubt anything is going to top Suikoden 2. That was like the Illmatic of the video game industry.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Considering the RPGs are still being released for the PS2, I don't see how you could say JRPGs are mostly coming out on Nintendo consoles. Hell, I didn't know the Wii had any RPGs except for Baroque and that was also released on the PS2.

As for Suikoden coming out on the Wii, it's plausible but after everything that went on with the console launches, I'll wait for a news release or trailer.[/QUOTE]

Okami? Fire Emblem? Dragon Quest? Just look at the DS as well, there's a TON of upcoming RPGs.

Fine, Okami and Baroque are on the PS2 as well, but do you think they would be ported to another system if a market did not exist?

Seriously think about the PS2, sure there's a few games being released but if you think the PS2 has a bright future for new releases, you missed the boat. That's kind of my point. If Suikoden VI is going to be developed I'm pretty sure it will not be on the PS2, but more likely the DS/PSP/Wii.
 
I was shocked to see Persona 4 being released on the PS2 so late in it's life. But since we've heard nothing of Suikoden VI I doubt it'll reach the PS2.
 
[quote name='BlueLobstah']Okami? Fire Emblem? Dragon Quest? Just look at the DS as well, there's a TON of upcoming RPGs.

Fine, Okami and Baroque are on the PS2 as well, but do you think they would be ported to another system if a market did not exist?

Seriously think about the PS2, sure there's a few games being released but if you think the PS2 has a bright future for new releases, you missed the boat. That's kind of my point. If Suikoden VI is going to be developed I'm pretty sure it will not be on the PS2, but more likely the DS/PSP/Wii.[/QUOTE]

Fire Emblem is an SRPG and Dragon Quest is some weird first person hack and slash RPG (but regardless, it sucked). Okami is not an RPG... it's an adventure game (basically Zelda with some improvements). I think the only true (exclusive or otherwise) Wii RPG on the system is Baroque. EDIT* Oh, and that Marvel game- I forget the name.

I'm hoping Tales of Symphonia 2 turns out good though, that's the only RPG on the Wii that sounds remotely interesting to me. It would be interesting to see Suikoden VI on the Wii... I mean, as the series doesn't have a huge following, it would be a safer bet on the Wii I guess.
 
[quote name='urzishra14']i may have to turn off goozex.. between the 3 suikodens i got and GTA4.. i'm probably going to be gaming for quite some tiem..[/quote]

Funny you mention that combo -- I am exactly torn between those new games that have recently landed in my collection. I've actually been dicking around on CAG instead of playing either because I just can't commit!! Indecision!!
 
Would any CAG mind giving a bullet list of things they enjoyed about Suikoden 2? (keeping it relatively spoiler free)...
 
[quote name='Vinny']Dragon Quest is some weird first person hack and slash RPG (but regardless, it sucked). [/quote]
Don't forget, the next DQ game (9?) is coming out on the DS.

[quote name='BlueLobstah']Okami? Fire Emblem? Dragon Quest? Just look at the DS as well, there's a TON of upcoming RPGs.

Fine, Okami and Baroque are on the PS2 as well, but do you think they would be ported to another system if a market did not exist?

Seriously think about the PS2, sure there's a few games being released but if you think the PS2 has a bright future for new releases, you missed the boat. That's kind of my point. If Suikoden VI is going to be developed I'm pretty sure it will not be on the PS2, but more likely the DS/PSP/Wii.[/quote]

Well, Fire Emblem is a Nintendo Published series so obviously it's going to be on a Nintendo system as it has been since the beginning of time.
There's really not that many RPGs coming out for the DS/Wii. Most of the RPGs coming to the DS are Square remakes of old FFs and DQs.

Again, I wouldn't be surprised and hope a little that Suikoden VI comes to the Wii. But, I think there's more of a chance that's going to be on the PS3 due to the series always being on the Playstation.
 
I guess I should clarify. What I meant by "non-western" RPGs, were those by western developers, i.e. Mass Effect, and not singling out only JRPGs.

Aside from the Last Remnant, and Final Fantasy XIII, I don't see very many RPGs for either the PS3 or the 360 at this point. The only listings of potential releases I could find was here, but I don't know how accurate or up to date they are.

I really think the biggest potential candidates to see a Suikoden VI release is on the hand held market. Just look at DQIX as Josh mentioned, it switched from console to hand held. Either the PSP or the DS would be good potential matches. But at this point, it's still all speculation since we don't even know if it's being developed much less what the target system is.
 
[quote name='coltyhuxx']Would any CAG mind giving a bullet list of things they enjoyed about Suikoden 2? (keeping it relatively spoiler free)...[/QUOTE]

I'll give it a shot:

  • For having 108 characters, the game develops them extremely well. Each character has a reason for joining you along the way, unlike say Chrono Cross where I felt that the characters kinda just tagged along because they could.
  • There is plenty of variation among archetypes (tank, melee damage, ranged damage, etc) in the playable characters that join you.
  • Building on the point above, there are plenty of combat capable characters such that you can use the ones you like without gimping your party just because you happen to like their personality, weapon, or whatever more than the other characters.
  • Combo attacks are still one of my most favorite aspects of Suikoden's RPG battle system.
  • The game has one of the most badass villains ever. You really get the sense that he is the personification of true evil and heartlessness.
  • Watching your own town develop and obtain new features as you recruit the stars is very fun.
  • If you don't use a walkthrough this is one of the few games that will make you want to play through it all over again to see the other ending.
  • Lastly, I still find the graphics to be some of the best 2d I remember seeing on the original PS. Along with the music, it created a very immersive enviornment when playing the game.

I hope that helps a little :)
 
[quote name='Methadon']I was hugely let down by Suikoden 2... in fact, that's the only game I think I've ever traded in (only, because I was still sad to get rid of a game).[/quote]
Eh? Why were you let down by Suikoden 2? The mini-games alone were terrific LOL!
 
[quote name='depascal22']Why don't they just release the PSP Suikoden I & II here?[/QUOTE]

the same reason that Nintendo won't release mother 1 +2 here

they don't think they "can make money" from it.. which is hog crap if any of the video game consultants that they probably hire would have any sense in them whatsoever. besides.. North America and Japan aren't so different as they were in the mid 90s.. game tastes are generally universal now..

i reached a point in the game (the first one) where I can't seem to pass it.. its this part where you have to "take on the army" in kind of strategy/rockpaperscisors kind of way and I can't pass it.. i may have to go grind level up and try to recruit other people before i take them on but it is kind of flustratting.. i hate Strategy games in general because 1. my mind can't fully grasp the mechanics 2. i feel like i'm always making the wrong descision.
 
[quote name='urzishra14']i reached a point in the game (the first one) where I can't seem to pass it.. its this part where you have to "take on the army" in kind of strategy/rockpaperscisors kind of way and I can't pass it.. i may have to go grind level up and try to recruit other people before i take them on but it is kind of flustratting.. i hate Strategy games in general because 1. my mind can't fully grasp the mechanics 2. i feel like i'm always making the wrong descision.[/quote]


I don't think leveling up helps. Recruiting more people will though. The other side always says something that gives you a clue about when their next move will be so you can do what's effective. If you still can't figure it out then I'm sure there's something on gamefaqs that will tell you what each thing they say means just like with the one on one duels.
 
Yeah, level doesn't play much of a role here but if I remember, you're strongest groups are always at the top.

Who you have matters though, for sure. If you can get some spies, then they can find out what attack the enemy will use next so you'll know how to respond. I take it that you know one kind of attack beats another and whatnot?
 
[quote name='urzishra14'] reached a point in the game (the first one) where I can't seem to pass it.. its this part where you have to "take on the army" in kind of strategy/rockpaperscisors kind of way and I can't pass it.. i may have to go grind level up and try to recruit other people before i take them on but it is kind of flustratting.. i hate Strategy games in general because 1. my mind can't fully grasp the mechanics 2. i feel like i'm always making the wrong descision.[/quote]

Recruit the three ninjas and use their special move to learn the opponents next move. Also, the thieves have a similar attribute, but it's not always accurate or effective (although sometimes they'll steal 1,000 potch for you LOL).

The opponent will give you hints on what move they'll do next through their dialogue. It's really simple once you get the hang of it. G'luck!
 
I'm around five hours in (S2). I love this game -- my first time playing it. My own little quick bullet list, thus far, would include:

  • The battles are quick - and not tedious.
  • Item shopping is a breeze too... with the sell/bag it option whenever you get new gear.
  • The game tells you how many stat points you get when you level. "Four strength.. two intelligence..." -- always draws me in a little more.
  • Wonderful sprite graphics -- the spell animations are varied and look amazing.
  • REMINDS me of the Shining Force series in many ways!
And I still haven't seen the benefit of collecting all these non-warrior folks. I imagine that will be a lot of fun. I've got around 8 people already.
 
Later in the game when you get your base the NPCs will open up shops & mini games. The cooking mini game is great. I remember it being almost impossible to get all the recipes due to some glitch in the game.
 
Suikoden is a great series. If you have not played the series yet, its def worth playing them in order. I haven't beat IV, it really is simplistic and not like the rest of the series, but V, I, II, and III have to be played in order. There is so many Easter Eggs for people and the sotry is continous (even though III kind of sucks gameplay wise).

I agree that Suikoden 2 is one of the best Video Games off all time and that Luca Blight is the most hated villian in video games after Kefka (sorry Sephiroth fans, Luca and Kefka do things that would make Sephiroth cringe). Suikoden I and II are almost like one game and relate to each other more than any two games in the series. If you play I, you will not not get the "complete" game unless you play two as there is a larger tapestry at work that links the two games. The series itself has a complete story that I hope VI finally reveals parts off. I am really anxious to see Harmonia at this point and it is one of a few places mentioned in the series consistently that hasn't been shown yet.
 
S1 was really good.
S2 was GREAT.
Then IMO the series went downhill when jumping to the PS2.

Even if you do have to pay 50 or 100bucks for S2. its worth it
And you can easily resell it for pretty much what you paid for it.
 
[quote name='Ivanhoe']S1 was really good.
S2 was GREAT.
Then IMO the series went downhill when jumping to the PS2.

Even if you do have to pay 50 or 100bucks for S2. its worth it
And you can easily resell it for pretty much what you paid for it.[/quote]

*sigh* Still no love for Suikoden V, poor game just can't catch a break. :cry:
 
[quote name='Rodimus']:applause: I'm not alone.[/QUOTE]

well i never did play 5
I was put off too much by S3 and S4
:whistle2:(
I gave up the series after 4.

:whistle2:(
 
I don't think that V was the best, but it's pretty damn close. II will always show a special place in my heart.

If you haven't played V at this point you really should give it a go. To me, it's closer to II than any other once released since then. You find out a lot of backstory on Falena, as well as some issues leading up to I & II.
 
Ha, glad to see so many people who have flocked to the series over the years, Suikoden (other than IV) is truly the best RPG series around in terms of characters and story.

I remember my introduction to the series, it was back in mid 2000...

I was trading games in to Funcoland (god, I miss this store) with my brother, we had a large number of games (that we ironically enough, ended up buying almost everyone back when we realized how many great NES, Genesis, and N64 and even Playstation games we got rid of) to trade in. We ended up getting about $120 in store credit, which we were initially going to use to buy a Dreamcast (good thing we didn't bother, as the Dreamcast was brought down to less than $100 mere months after that). We split the credit evenly, $60 a piece. I'm looking around, trying to find what I should get, but I'm stumbling. I pick up Tomorrow Never Dies (horrid game) and some expensive game I can't recall. I'm debating about it.

All of a sudden, this magical Funcoland employee suggests to me Suikoden II. He tells me if I like RPG games, then Suikoden II is up my ally. I'm still debating at this point. He practically urges me to get it. Could this mysterious but wonderful employee have actually been an avid fan of the series just trying finally get someone else to get it? Was he thinking "man, can I just get this one kid to buy the game, convert another one to this amazing series?"

Well, I'll never know, as Funcoland is no longer around. But, to this day, I'll remember that moment, as that was the most defining moment of my entire gaming puberty. I was finally given a game with so much depth and such an incredible story that I ended up finding my new favorite genre (platforming previously). On another note, I'm lying, as Lufia II, which I found in 1999, was actually the game that made me love RPG's. Or maybe Mario RPG in 1998.

Anyway, I'll end this overexagerrated post on a good note. Suikoden I and II are both worth every penny. I may have not had to overpay for any as I bought them all when they came out after II, but don't be afraid. Join the dark side.

It's bed time.
 
^ Honestly, that's a good story. I used to work in a mom n' pops game store and I hope I had the same effect on customers.
 
I was actually hyped about Suikoden I when it came out, it was either that or Persona 1 and Beyond the Beyond. To this day I am trying to find Persona 1, however, I stand by my decision. I got my 1st copy of Suikoden 2 at a Target, not long after it came out. It had dropped under $30 and that was my price range.
 
Good thing you didn't choose Be Yawned the Beyond. But Persona 1 was good for the time, especially during that early phase of the PS1. But a few things that annoyed me: First the loading times before & after battles were awful, and this is a game where you fight every 3-4 steps, and if you're unluky only 1 step. And because of that you often got lost since it was 1st person maze-like dungeons. Second the localization was extremely Americanized to a point were it was just plain silly. And lastly they took out a the optional Snow Queen Quest which was in the Japanese version.

I just turned this into a Persona thread :D
 
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