Supreme court okays home seizure, bans 10 commandments, etc...

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I've seen a lot of people PO'd about these recent supreme court decisions. If you are one of those people and like to read (yeh, I know its rare ;)), check out this book:

Men in Black by Mark Levine
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...102-8763560-7192123?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

It's a great commentary on how there aren't enough checks and balances in the supreme court, and how the court is overstepping its boundaries. An excellent read especially with all of these rulings being handed down.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Repeat topic + spam = lamer[/QUOTE]

wtf? I didn't want to repeat post this in the three seperate threads about the recent supreme court decisions (on home seizure, 10 commandments, medical marijuana) so I made a new thread about it. It applies to all three threads and the supreme court in general. Calm down. I assume you are upset with the content of the book or something to justify such a response?
 
You take the good with the bad. The supreme court is supposed to step in to decide whether laws are constitutional/unconstitutional. You're an idiot if you think they're always (or should always) side with you.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']You're an idiot if you think they're always (or should always) side with you.[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot if you are trying to justify their abuse of power.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']You take the good with the bad. The supreme court is supposed to step in to decide whether laws are constitutional/unconstitutional. You're an idiot if you think they're always (or should always) side with you.[/QUOTE]

Not what I'm saying, or what this book is saying. The book discusses that the supreme court is not following the constitution and instead setting their own precedents for rulings. Overstepping their bounds to set their own agenda while not following the constitution, in other words.

The book gives lots of great examples of this in the past, and in the most recent 10 commandments two of the dissenting judges made a similar argument. It really is a good read for those frustrated with these decisions, as it shows the abuse of power is not a new thing.
 
Mark LeVine is by no means the same person as Mark Levin. To attribute that book to LeVine is downright laughable, but I'll chalk that up to a spelling error.

While you're trumping about partisan hackery, why not recommend Ed Klein's "The Truth About Hillary"?

Seriously, you righties getcher panties in a bundle because people read Michael Moore; then you subsequently recommend this drivel? Please.

myke.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']You're an idiot if you are trying to justify their abuse of power.[/QUOTE]

This isn't abuse, just because it's a ruling you don't agree with doesn't make it abuse. This is the same as when conservatives whine about abortion and gay rights, I don't see you stepping up to complain then.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']This isn't abuse, just because it's a ruling you don't agree with doesn't make it abuse. This is the same as when conservatives whine about abortion and gay rights, I don't see you stepping up to complain then.[/QUOTE]

It is abuse, there are no checks and balances in the supreme court. The people can't "fire" a supreme court judge like they could a politician if they think his decisions are outrageous.

And lately, some of the decisions have not been based in the constitution at all, as even some of the dissenting judges on the supreme court argue. Read the recent dissents by Thomas and Scalia and you will find even they believe the Supreme Court is screwing up decision after decision by focusing on faulty past court decisions instead of on the constitution itself, which is what they should be doing.

The latest 10 Commandments one is the most ridiculous, case-by-case basis, especially funny when the Supreme court has them on its own walls. And every supreme court session begins with "God save this honorable court." They really need to go back and examine the consititution and determine what they want to do instead of wishy-washy decisions and faulty decisions based on past decisions. "Seperation of Church and State" is not written in the constitution, it specifically says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." That's it. Should we take references to God off money too? Such a wishy washy decision that basically says "With regards to God, whatever the Supreme Court says in your particular case goes," I think that is an abuse of power.
http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

I don't want to just focus on that one though, because I think most of the decisions they have made recently have been horrendous and unfounded in the constitution.
 
[quote name='Ruined']The latest 10 Commandments one is the most ridiculous, case-by-case basis, especially funny when the Supreme court has them on its own walls. And every supreme court session begins with "God save this honorable court." They really need to go back and examine the consititution and determine what they want to do instead of wishy-washy decisions and faulty decisions based on past decisions. "Seperation of Church and State" is not written in the constitution, it specifically says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." That's it. Should we take references to God off money too? Such a wishy washy decision that basically says "With regards to God, whatever the Supreme Court says in your particular case goes," I think that is an abuse of power.[/QUOTE]

It really irks me that you have a "Brazil" avatar.

Replace "Big Brother" with "Christian God" and we have Ruined's ideal America.
 
[quote name='camoor']It really irks me that you have a "Brazil" avatar.

Replace "Big Brother" with "Christian God" and we have Ruined's ideal America.[/QUOTE]

Not at all. I don't even go to church lol. The problem is our government IS approaching Big Brother, and the Supreme Court is a big part of that. Right to own land? Sure, but the gov't can take it away now. We are all essentially at the mercy of the courts, which is not how our government was designed to be run. Supreme Court has too much unchecked power that isn't being used to rule based on the constitution, and the 10 commandments ruling is ideal proof of this, though many of the other recent rulings are good evidence as well.

All this stuff with the Supreme Court is far scarier than the Patriot Act, or any other "big brother" theories of the past.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Not at all. I don't even go to church lol. The problem is our government IS approaching Big Brother, and the Supreme Court is a big part of that. Right to own land? Sure, but the gov't can take it away now. We are all essentially at the mercy of the courts, which is not how our government was designed to be run. Supreme Court has too much unchecked power that isn't being used to rule based on the constitution, and the 10 commandments ruling is ideal proof of this, though many of the other recent rulings are good evidence as well.

All this stuff with the Supreme Court is far scarier than the Patriot Act, or any other "big brother" theories of the past.[/QUOTE]

Court, Schmort. It wouldn't even matter if it weren't for the business interests that want to deem your neighborhood a blight in order to build another OfficeMax or Home Depot.

Did the Supreme Court rule in favor of business interests? Damn skippy they did. What you fail to realize is that such a ruling is a reflection of the power of business interests and money in our society; you'd rather blame it on some bullshit concept like "activist judges" (which is ironically beyond the pale, given such terminology comes from people who want judges to repeal Roe v. Wade) rather than the capitalists that live amongst you and share the same values that you do. Wake up, shecky; the Supreme Court wouldn't care one way or another unless some corporate asshole was salivating at the prospect of buying up your property at a minimum rate.

Despite the obvious, you're ignoring the role that the "free market interests" that you so love (given your hatred for all things "liberal") have had in this. Don't kid yourself; Democrat, Republican, whoever: they all bow down to big business, and they're all fucking puppets to corporatism.

Perhaps you can sleep better at night if you think some tame yet also contradictory legal precedent on the ten commandments is dangerous, but you'd be better off if you could actually prove your point. Saying it is dangerous is one thing: but how is it, I wonder? No more ten commandments in the courthouse? Whoopde-fucking-do. How is that more dangerous than the patriot act?

myke.
...never saw "Brazil," but the headpiece reminded me of "Saw."
 
[quote name='Ruined']It is abuse, there are no checks and balances in the supreme court. The people can't "fire" a supreme court judge like they could a politician if they think his decisions are outrageous.

And lately, some of the decisions have not been based in the constitution at all, as even some of the dissenting judges on the supreme court argue. Read the recent dissents by Thomas and Scalia and you will find even they believe the Supreme Court is screwing up decision after decision by focusing on faulty past court decisions instead of on the constitution itself, which is what they should be doing.

The latest 10 Commandments one is the most ridiculous, case-by-case basis, especially funny when the Supreme court has them on its own walls. And every supreme court session begins with "God save this honorable court." They really need to go back and examine the consititution and determine what they want to do instead of wishy-washy decisions and faulty decisions based on past decisions. "Seperation of Church and State" is not written in the constitution, it specifically says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." That's it. Should we take references to God off money too? Such a wishy washy decision that basically says "With regards to God, whatever the Supreme Court says in your particular case goes," I think that is an abuse of power.
http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

I don't want to just focus on that one though, because I think most of the decisions they have made recently have been horrendous and unfounded in the constitution.[/QUOTE]

There's a reason supreme court justices aren't voted on, and why the senate and house can't remove them, if they had that power then unpopular decisions could mean removal, regardless of the constitution, and unpopular rulings could result in them being voted out of office by the people, even if the peoples views have no basis in the constitution (ie. gay marriage could be such a case).

And the constitution is based on interpretations, of course the disenting judges are going to disagree, they often interpret it differently on some parts. To me, that line you quoted, is correctly interpreted to be separation of church and state. It's not word for word, but that's true of most rulings. You, well you obviously read it differently than I do.

Though I think references to god should be removed from money, pledge etc.

This is ridiculous, when we get liberal rulings then the conservatives start shouting, when we get conservative rulings then the liberals start shouting, you're both are being hypocritical (though it's just the liberals in this topic).

Any major alteration in the way it's run, in the sense of giving elected bodies partial control over it (after the judge has been appointed obviously), would be disasterous. It's one thing to remove a justice who acted illegal or constantly did things unbecoming of a judge (which can be done), but these cases aren't like that. If power to easily remove them was given, then every decision could decide their fate, and in those cases accuracy goes out the window, the opinions of people or elected official would be all that counted.
 
[quote name='Ruined']It is abuse, there are no checks and balances in the supreme court. The people can't "fire" a supreme court judge like they could a politician if they think his decisions are outrageous.[/QUOTE]

Of course they can. Do you think impeachment is reserved for presidents only? That's the check on lifetime appointments.
 
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