Survivor 20: Heroes vs. Villains - February 11, 2010 - Official Discussion Thread

[quote name='DarkNessBear']Before you burn her... may I haz pleez? :drool:

She reminds me of Miranda from ME2[/QUOTE]
You know who reminds me of Miranda? Sarah from the show Chuck...
;)

Yes, I know it's the same actress...
 
It's too bad the Villians won another immunity. The Heroes were so close!

Oh well, good to see
Cirie
go home. It was a good move for the heroes, as
she's
a sneak and quite a strategic threat.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']So glad that
Cirie
got the fucking boot early for once.[/QUOTE]
Admittedly it was a great move, as
she's
definitely one of those people who could
herself
all the way to the end of the game by convincing stronger players to take
her
. Still, I really thought
Tom or Colby
needed go to NOW, but it still
flushed the hidden immunity idol
out either way. I was hoping that wouldn't show up this season.
 
I honestly hated her the original season she was on and am very happy to see her go. I'm a little sad that the challenge they used was the one Russell passed out during last season, as he was probably my favorite player since Rupert debuted. Coach crying was wonderful, though.

Anybody think Russell is screwing himself over? Boston Rob really does make a damn good leader, and I don't think he's somebody that Russell should challenge... Because Boston Rob seems like he could get Russell gone the next time the villains go to Tribal council... Unless they all go against Courtney or Danielle...
 
Does anyone else seem to think that Danielle's lousy implants are starting to grow together?

Oh...and so far the first four eliminations listed True Dork Times' SURVIV-O-METER 20 have been right on the money.
 
Russell is being too aggressive given the fact that he's with a group of people who have played the game already. The main reason I was happy to see the Heroes go to Tribal Council was that it spared Russell for at least another show. He needs to start finding his string of immunity idols and chopping off heads.
 
I think Russell has something up his sleeve. I think he already found the idol and is going to go out every day and keep pretending to look for it. The show seems to editing it in a way that didn't show what his results were searching for it, and next week makes a point to show him blatantly going to look for it when everyone is having a group hangout.

They'll probably figure he doesn't have it and target someone else, and when they run out of easy targets they'll go for him and he'll use it. The Villains are the only smart ones this season. They would rather keep Russell for now just to keep beating the Heroes. The Heroes are stupid this season. Tom's idea to keep him so they could use that idol against the Villains if they merged at a disadvantage was a good one but only JT saw that. Actually, they all saw that until Cirie used her voodoo magic on Amanda and James.
 
[quote name='WhipSmartBanky']Does anyone else seem to think that Danielle's lousy implants are starting to grow together?

Oh...and so far the first four eliminations listed True Dork Times' SURVIV-O-METER 20 have been right on the money.[/QUOTE]
Did you not see those puppies oiled up (but from a different angle they are pretty bad...but other things are nice)? And that was a lousy challenge for Parvati to miss... an oil challenge. Dammit! :drool:
 
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Russell is far and away the best Survivor player ever. Last night was incredible and I cannot believe he pulled it off. He managed to keep his entire alliance safe and get rid of an enemy. Now he is sitting in a decent position at 5-3 AND I think his display of loyalty to Parvati totally swayed Coach to go to his side. The look on Boston Rob's face was awesome - he was like "WTF just happened?" AWESOME.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Russell is far and away the best Survivor player ever. Last night was incredible and I cannot believe he pulled it off. He managed to keep his entire alliance safe and get rid of an enemy. Now he is sitting in a decent position at 5-3 AND I think his display of loyalty to Parvati totally swayed Coach to go to his side. The look on Boston Rob's face was awesome - he was like "WTF just happened?" AWESOME.[/QUOTE]He wasn't the only one with that look on his face. The entire Villains tribe was sitting there with their collective jaws dropped.

Next week looks like it should be quite interesting indeed with the fallout from that.
 
Agreed. Say what you will about Russell's personalty or character, but the man is a true genius of the game of Survivor.

He even called it in the pre-Tribal Council interview and nailed their strategy to get him out, but he planted just enough of a seed in Tyson's mind to make him flip the whole thing. Amazing.

But to take the idol and give it to Parvati IN FRONT of everyone else? Yeah, that was just awesome.
 
Russell's move last night by far succeeded any of his moments last year. It was just brillant and Tyson might have upstage James (going home with the idols) as the dumbest survivor. I agree with the rest of you... Boston Rob's face was just priceless.
 
It was definitely the dumbest move ever by Tyson. If he had done nothing he was 100% not going home. At least James had pretty good reason to not play the idols at the time. Tyson had no reason to switch his vote. None. Idiot. I'm glad he is gone too because I found him to be one of the most unlikeable people on the show.
 
Rob's days are numbered, he's smart but out of his league against Russell. Russell was a genius with that move. What he did was use clever wordplay to make Tyson think he was going to cast a vote to Parvati (with the "slip" that he had the idol and wanted to sell out Parvati so they couldn't attempt to flush it out). But then gave the idol to her so the other side's throwaway vote puts Russell's minority alliance in the majority. fucking beautiful. Somebody who got all that on Tivo should make a Youtube video of it set to the Excalibur music.
 
Just finished this week's episode. That was fan-fucking-tastic. I don't think anyone can disagree that Russell is the greatest person to play Survivor, ever. My mom watches the show too and she absolutely hates Russell, but admits he's good at this game. Tyson is a moron and deserves to never be on Survivor ever again.
 
Finally watched my tape from Wednesday. What a move. Boston Rob is out of his league. For all his trash-talking, he got smoked by Russell.

I kinda liked Tyson, he was funny.

I'm sad to see James go because it was always awesome to see him pull out some crazy feats of strength in challenges or just at camp but I can see why they kicked him out.
 
Looks like I'm the only person who feels this way... Russell is damn smart, and one of the best players, but I do think in the end, Boston Rob will outplay him. Watching Boston Rob at the challenges, he definitely pulls more weight. Boston Rob knew Russell was going to pull some shit, so he did come up with a wonderful plan, and it was such a slap in the face when Russell gave the idol to Parvarti... But it's not Boston Rob's fault Tyson was an idiot and easily swayed. That's the problem with Survivor... Too many idiots, and not enough smart players. The Heroes are just hurting way too much. I wish Russell from last season would have come back, because he was one of my favorite players in a long time. I miss Yao-Man too...
 
[quote name='Halo05']I kinda liked Tyson, he was funny.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I really like dry humor, so I find him hilarious.

[quote name='Vulgarism']Looks like I'm the only person who feels this way... Russell is damn smart, and one of the best players, but I do think in the end, Boston Rob will outplay him. Watching Boston Rob at the challenges, he definitely pulls more weight. Boston Rob knew Russell was going to pull some shit, so he did come up with a wonderful plan, and it was such a slap in the face when Russell gave the idol to Parvarti... But it's not Boston Rob's fault Tyson was an idiot and easily swayed. [/QUOTE]

I like both Boston Rob and Russell. I think they were both pretty evenly matched in terms of strategy that episode--Boston Rob foresaw Russell's move, so he countered by splitting the vote. Tyson was the won that failed, not Boston Rob.

Then again, I guess you could argue that it was Russell who swayed Tyson, so maybe he did get the upper hand on Boston Rob. Either way, this battle between the two of them should make for some great TV.
 
I love Russell, I think he's the best player ever, and I want him to win the game. However, I think he just got really fucking lucky this week.

Coach, Courtney, Jerri vote for Parvati.
Tyson, Sandra, Rob vote for Russell.
Russell, Parvati, Danielle vote for Tyson.

That's 3-3-3, so no matter what happened, it would tie between 2 people and they could vote either Russell or Parvati out. But, Russell told Tyson that he was going to switch to voting for Parvati, and this seems to be the genius move everyone seems to be crediting Russell with. It seems like it was more Tyson's idiocy than Russell's smarts. Russell changing his vote to Parvati wouldn't influence Tyson's vote at all. If we assume, as Tyson did, that Russel switches his vote to Parvati, it would be:

Parvati 4, Russell 3, Tyson 2.

If no idol is used, Parvati goes home. If Parvati uses the idol, Russell goes home. If Russell uses the idol, Parvati goes home. When Tyson changed his vote, it would have become (assuming, as Tyson did, that Russell was being honest):

Parvati 5, Russell 2, Tyson 2

If no idol is used, Parvati goes home (like before). If Russell uses the idol, Parvati goes home (like before). But, if Parvati uses the idol, it creates a tie, whereas before Tyson's vote switched, Russell would have gone home.

So, really, there was absolutely no benefit to Tyson switching his vote, it only hurt himself. It was just a really boneheaded move, and I think it was more luck than skill on Russell's part.
 
It was a boneheaded move but Russell needed him to make the boneheaded move to have his plan work (which is why is was kind of genius - and ballsy as hell). Tyson said he wanted Parvati out so he figured if Russell was voting that way then he would too because that is who he wanted to go home. He understood Rob's plan but didn't follow it because between the two if them (Russell and Parvati) he wanted Parvati out. It was stupid because you should always vote with the masses in the beginning of the game - as long as it isn't you they are targeting then who cares?

I wonder if there is footage of Russell talking to everyone about voting Parvati out and it's just that Tyson was the only one who bit.
 
I think he only targeted Tyson. Because Tyson was the one they all (Russell, Parvati, and Whatshername) were voting for (Russell told him that too...and it was true). His fear of it going to a tie between him and Parvati (after Rob instructed everyone to split the vote) was what Russell used to cause him to just panic and vote Parvati. But the sad thing is if it went to a tie they all would have 6 votes against the other trio's 3. I would never have expected Tyson to screw up that bad.
 
[quote name='javeryh']It was a boneheaded move but Russell needed him to make the boneheaded move to have his plan work (which is why is was kind of genius - and ballsy as hell). Tyson said he wanted Parvati out so he figured if Russell was voting that way then he would too because that is who he wanted to go home. He understood Rob's plan but didn't follow it because between the two if them (Russell and Parvati) he wanted Parvati out. It was stupid because you should always vote with the masses in the beginning of the game - as long as it isn't you they are targeting then who cares?[/QUOTE]

In some post-game interviews, Tyson said part of the reason he switched is because he wanted Russell as an ally. If he switched his vote to Parvati, and Russell was voting Parvati, that meant he could have Russell as an ally with his immunity idol. That logic is sort of dumb as well, because with 3 votes for Parvati and 3 votes for Russell, Russell wouldn't have any clue which of the 6 voted for him.

I just find it amusing that, in a roundabout way, Tyson voted himself out.
 
That was truly an epic episode and it showed that Russell is 3 steps ahead of everyone, even Rob who was thinking ahead.

Looking forward to tonight's.

My guess is that if the Heroes lose, candice is going home.
If the Villians lose, B. Rob is gone.
 
My guess is JT if heroes lose and B. Rob if the villians lose. I think Parvati and Russell are going to the end.
 
How does everybody feel about Rupert? He seems to be losing his status as the big bear of the game and I don't know if he's gonna last much longer, although I really want him to go far. One last question.... How the hell does Courtney stay week after week? Does she just blend in with the trees and avoid any communication each episode?
 
Everyone I talk to about the season thinks Rupert is an asshole now. His charm faded away completely. I think what made him a favorite was that he was on a piracy themed season, looked like a pirate, and sold the other team's shoes in that village when they asked him to make sure nobody stole them.
 
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[quote name='crunchb3rry']Everyone I talk to about the season thinks Russell is an asshole now. His charm faded away completely. I think what made him a favorite was that he was on a piracy themed season, looked like a pirate, and sold the other team's shoes in that village when they asked him to make sure nobody stole them.[/QUOTE]

Do you mean Rupert?
 
Just finished watching this week's episode.

So happy.

I had a bet with who would last the longest between Russel and Boston Rob, and I won. :cool:
 
I think the Villians are dumb for not getting rid of aneroxia... i mean Courtney. She is going to cost them wins by her lack, at well, everything.

I loved the scene where Russell asked Rob, in front of Sandra and Courtney, who from them should go.

As for Rubert, he is a big douche. I didn't see his first season but based on this season I dont know how anyone thought he was their favorite. He comes across arrogant.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']As for Rubert, he is a big douche. I didn't see his first season but based on this season I dont know how anyone thought he was their favorite. He comes across arrogant.[/QUOTE]

I was discussing this last night with my mom. After the first two seasons, she started watching again during All-Stars (the season after Rupert's first). In Pearl Islands, Rupert was awesome. He was the underdog you had to root for. He had an unrivaled passion for the game. He took the season's pirate theme to heart (even going so far as stealing the other tribe's shoes, because, hey, that's what pirates do), which made him incredibly fun to watch. He also was no slouch in challenges. Simply put, up until that point, he all-around one of the most awesome people to play the game, and the fans let him know with a huge outpouring of love which led to him winning the million dollar fan favorite prize during All Stars.

And therein lays the problem. I think all of the attention (and money) he got really went to his head. He seems to feel like he's entitled to have everything go his way, and masks it behind claims he's trying to keep the tribe strong, something he clearly couldn't defend when confronted by Jeff. And whether it is his broken toe or the fact that he's now that much older, but he's definitely not held up in challenges.

Essentially, he's not the same player he was the first time around purely because of ego - a quality he either really didn't exhibit in Pearl Islands or editing just made it appear that way.
 
[quote name='Cantatus']I was discussing this last night with my mom. After the first two seasons, she started watching again during All-Stars (the season after Rupert's first). In Pearl Islands, Rupert was awesome. He was the underdog you had to root for. He had an unrivaled passion for the game. He took the season's pirate theme to heart (even going so far as stealing the other tribe's shoes, because, hey, that's what pirates do), which made him incredibly fun to watch. He also was no slouch in challenges. Simply put, up until that point, he all-around one of the most awesome people to play the game, and the fans let him know with a huge outpouring of love which led to him winning the million dollar fan favorite prize during All Stars.

And therein lays the problem. I think all of the attention (and money) he got really went to his head. He seems to feel like he's entitled to have everything go his way, and masks it behind claims he's trying to keep the tribe strong, something he clearly couldn't defend when confronted by Jeff. And whether it is his broken toe or the fact that he's now that much older, but he's definitely not held up in challenges.

Essentially, he's not the same player he was the first time around purely because of ego - a quality he either really didn't exhibit in Pearl Islands or editing just made it appear that way.[/QUOTE]


The thing that needs to be kept in mind is that he IS playing with a broken toe... He still seems 110% in the game, but he has always and will always have to prove himself, no matter what he does. I think he exudes arrogance because he never feels safe. Sure, he is strong, but what else does he bring to the team? People could go as far as to point out when he wanted to fish in All-Stars (I believe) and the fishing gear broke because somebody used it... That pretty much was like him getting his two-week notice. He is the provider and when he's not providing, it stands out more than anybody else not pulling their weight--except for maybe James, whose injury stuck out like a sore thumb.

As for Russell, I think Survivor these past two seasons have proved one thing... People are fucking stupid as hell. Trusting Russell is like trusting a felon to house-sit your home. He tells you what you want to hear and then grabs his way to the top, pulling you down to further himself. The more people believe him, the closer he gets to the million. Coach is dumb for switching, because now, he's guaranteed to go home. Jerri's going home. Danielle will go home. Thankfully, I'm believing that Boston Rob going home was the best thing for the Heroes, because if you go back and watch challenges, watch who wins them for the Villains.
 
Russell or Rob HAD to go last night. Even though Courtney is definitely the weakest player they still weren't going to win anything with those two gunning for each other. This is typical Survivor - one tribe loses a ton but as a result trims the fat and then becomes stronger than the other tribe who still have to play their weak players. It's part of what makes the game so great - you are never out of it until you are out of it. Looking back at last week, getting rid of Tyson was the perfect move for Russell since he was the bridge between Coach and Boston Rob. With Tyson out of the picture everything went to shit. I am surprised that Russell was able to get Jerri to switch - I thought for sure he would have talked Coach into it. I actually feel bad for the guy - I'm sure Coach is the nicest guy in the world in real life because he wants everyone to like him and he has some kind of moral honor code that he lives by which is horrible for Survivor and why he keeps coming off as wishy-washy.
 
Broken toe or not, Rupert wanted Stephanie gone. That there is ass-ignorant when you are competing against another tribe. Stephanie was the toughest Survivor chick ever. She even pulled a Lethal Weapon and knocked her shoulder back into the socket and was like "OK, good to go!"

Coach is full of himself, but I think he's a decent guy. I don't understand at all why he's a "villain", certainly not this season. Jerri too, she's not nearly the snake she used to be. Even Tyson held back on the insults he used to throw around without care, I thought it was odd that him of all people was the one to console Coach when he started crying. The old Tyson would have stayed far away and just cracked jokes about it. Robb too, he wasn't as much of an asshole as he used to be, I think Amber has him whipped. She can whip me anytime though, while I eat ice cream out of Parvati's ass.
 
[quote name='zewone']Just finished watching this week's episode.

So happy.

I had a bet with who would last the longest between Russel and Boston Rob, and I won. :cool:[/QUOTE]
You should take a look at True Dork Times' Surviv-O-Meter 20 if you want to bet him every week and take his money up until the final three. Their spoilers on who gets voted out when is 8/8 so far.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']I think Amber has him whipped. She can whip me anytime though, while I eat ice cream out of Parvati's ass.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this statement 100%.
 
[quote name='tcrash247']I agree with this statement 100%.[/QUOTE]


Change Parvarti with Amanda for me. I like a girl who can play rough ;)
 
[quote name='javeryh']yeah - Amanda has a perfect body. Too bad she's a wreck up from the neck up.[/QUOTE]

I don't think she's too bad.

Glad to see
Rob
sent packing.

I predict a villian will probably win the game.

The heroes have a numbers disadvantage.
 
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