Target.com has PS1 Final Fantasy games

[quote name='opportunity777']I agree, it's not rare compared to many.[/QUOTE]

What titles would those be? Hell, there are more Final Fantasy 7s in North American then there are copies of Combat for the Atari 2600. And I've blown those up at the 4th of July.


























OK, I just had a wonderful idea for a fanboy-heart attack-inducing Youtube video. I'm going to go grab those FF7s I saw this weekend and blow them the fuck up. Wow, hate mail city here I come.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']
A $500 bill is valuable but it's not rare.[/quote]
Are you suggesting that Square Enix prints money? If so, you are correct.


[quote name='Survivor Charlie']
OK, I just had a wonderful idea for a fanboy-heart attack-inducing Youtube video. I'm going to go grab those FF7s I saw this weekend and blow them the fuck up. Wow, hate mail city here I come.[/quote]

Along the same lines, if you did that you would actually be burning money. That would be stupid.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']What titles would those be? Hell, there are more Final Fantasy 7s in North American then there are copies of Combat for the Atari 2600. And I've blown those up at the 4th of July.


























OK, I just had a wonderful idea for a fanboy-heart attack-inducing Youtube video. I'm going to go grab those FF7s I saw this weekend and blow them the fuck up. Wow, hate mail city here I come.[/quote]

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Maybe it's because I have a messed up sense of humor. Ever see the Simpsons where Homer becomes Mr. Burns' prank monkey? Burns pays Homer to rip up and eat a mint condition copy of Spider-Man #1 in front of Comic Book Guy?

Yeah, I would love to do that kind of thing. This would be as close as I can come to it.
 
[quote name='KameleonZero']I've actually got Origins, Anthology and Chronicles sitting on my shelf, unopened from when I bought it like 5 or 6 years ago.

Ah, PS1 Final Fantasies. Reminds me of the times when I sit could sit down and play a game for 60 hours, practically straight.

By comparison, it took me a couple of months to play through the Kingdom Hearts games and Final Fantasy 12 has been sitting on my shelf unplayed since it came out. One day, I keep telling myself. One day.[/quote] I don't think I could say it better myself I agree 100% you must have got married and had kids too
 
Personally, I don't think FF7 is rare, I just think the market value for it has been artificially elevated recently. Given how common it is, it is definitely way overpriced on Ebay and elsewhere online.
 
[quote name='inefficiency device']What about the PC version of FFVII? or FFVIII? I haven't known many who have copies of those.[/QUOTE]

That's why the PC market is tough to collect. Nobody really keeps track of it from a collectibility point for view.

Rough guess from myself... based on NOTHING mind you, just a wild guess... I would say a 4 out of 10 in rarity. 5 at most.
 
Charlie, why are you so passionate about arguing about Rare >.>?

I mean, really, I don't see the point in it other than higher blood pressure and/or more worn out keyboard keys :(
 
If you guys use my classification system there won't be any argument.


FF7 is "false rare"

False Rare = any game that has plenty of printed copies out there, but new sealed copies got raped by ebay hoarders.

FF7
Xenosaga 3
ICO
MGS3:Sub

these are *false rares*

Ogre Tactics
X-Com UFO
SMT NOcturne are *true rares*

big big difference.

True rares = simply not that many copies
False rares = bunch of hoarding ebay asshats owning all the copies and not using em
 
[quote name='expane']If you guys use my classification system there won't be any argument.


FF7 is "false rare"

False Rare = any game that has plenty of printed copies out there, but new sealed copies got raped by ebay hoarders.

FF7
Xenosaga 3
ICO
MGS3:Sub

these are *false rares*

Ogre Tactics
X-Com UFO
SMT NOcturne are *true rares*

big big difference.

True rares = simply not that many copies
False rares = bunch of hoarding ebay asshats owning all the copies and not using em[/quote]

When things are out of print, they become rares. Thus the reason for FF7's sealed prices. With more people being born, more collectors are made.

I just wish I could go back in time. there were slews of FF7 BL for $20, during the GH change. But I would have never thunk of them going for those prices, as what they are today.


On the topic of rare games, there are a bunch of shitty games with few copies printed that are going for crap prices.
 
[quote name='Antic']I had a real problem with Anthology and Chronicles. Since I've played (and own) some of the original games on the SNES, the load times between battles was enough to frustrate me. I stuck through it in FF6 just to see the ending, but I couldn't for any of the others.

Did anyone else notice and get bugged by it as well?[/QUOTE]

Ohhhhh yes. I have Chronicles and was able to tolerate it in Final Fantasy IV because it was the first easily available LEGAL version with the newer translation. Thankfully it was mostly some slowdown in that one, vaguely noticable load times. Played through to the end.

Chrono Trigger though. My gawd, it's somewhere between 3-7 seconds just to access the effing menu. If I recall correctly, the BATTLES have load times. One of the KEY features in Trigger was how seamless exploring and combat were. Couldn't get past 2 hours in that rape of a port. Thought they'd eventually get smart and port it to GBA, nogo. Oh well. FFIV was awesome. So much better a version than my easytype SNES one from 1992.
 
[quote name='opportunity777']No joke. The prices on those have become obnoxious. Used ones are reasonable, but "MINT" or new copies are ridiculous.[/quote]

If fanboys were not so queer for Cloud, the game might sell cheaper.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']
A $500 bill is valuable but it's not rare.[/QUOTE]

Actually it is rare. They haven't been produced since 1934, and $500 bills are worth thousands of dollars today.

I know what you meant, but I thought it was a little ironic :)
 
[quote name='expane']If you guys use my classification system there won't be any argument.

True rares = simply not that many copies
False rares = bunch of hoarding ebay asshats owning all the copies and not using em[/quote]

Rare has nothing to do with how many copies are pressed overall, it has to do mostly with demand. Despite the millions of FFVIIs floating around, there is a solid demand still for the product, thus making it rare. You also have to factor in the number of asshats that abused the shit out of every disc they've ever owned, and FFVII was the first RPG and sometimes first cd-based game they owned, therefore they didn't care for it. I worked at EB when it came out and a few years after, and my buddy runs a used store now, and the amount of people that come in with just a stack of discs to sell is ridiculous. I'm betting a good 10-15% of the original black label and 15-20% GH copies have been trashed at this point. Most don't have cases, and even more don't have instructions. Thus, the collectors market for the product deems it rare.

I saw far more beat-up PSX systems and games in the 2-3 years following it's release than I ever saw in the entire runs of NES, SNES, and Genesis combined. People just beat on that system.
 
[quote name='Ronin317']Never really completely understood this line of thinking...it's still the same game. If you want the game to play, rather than just look at the jewel case, what effect does the greatest hits banner have on it? Zero...When I went looking for Virtua Fighter 4 on the PS2, I went straight to the Greatest Hits one, because it's better, tougher and has more than the black label version...I do not care what color the box is when I'm playing the game.[/quote]

I am having a similiar discussion on this on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/tag/playstati...Forum=Fx1PSG3RTJ9PKTH&cdThread=Tx2Z00WMNEL1SY)

I usually go for the Greatest Hits versions since they sometimes include patches or bonus content. One good example is Silent Hill 2, which added a lot of bonus content in the Greatest Hits version. Gran Turismo 2 had a small bug that was fixed in the GH version. Gran Turismo 4 had a longer/completed manual in the Greatest Hits version. The only reason I see to get the black version is for aesthetic reasons and/or if you have OCD.
 
[quote name='opportunity777']No joke. The prices on those have become obnoxious. Used ones are reasonable, but "MINT" or new copies are ridiculous.[/quote]
indeed. i remember i actually got my copy of FFVII like... a year or two after it came out for like 17 at costco. then some retarded friend i lent it to lost a disk, so i bought another copy for 20. so glad i haven't bought in the age of uber-rarity.
 
[quote name='Ronin317']Rare has nothing to do with how many copies are pressed overall,

it has to do mostly with demand. Despite the millions of FFVIIs floating around, there is a solid demand still for the product, thus making it rare. You also have to factor in the number of asshats that abused the shit out of every disc they've ever owned, and FFVII was the first RPG and sometimes first cd-based game they owned, therefore they didn't care for it. I worked at EB when it came out and a few years after, and my buddy runs a used store now, and the amount of people that come in with just a stack of discs to sell is ridiculous. I'm betting a good 10-15% of the original black label and 15-20% GH copies have been trashed at this point. Most don't have cases, and even more don't have instructions. Thus, the collectors market for the product deems it rare.

I saw far more beat-up PSX systems and games in the 2-3 years following it's release than I ever saw in the entire runs of NES, SNES, and Genesis combined. People just beat on that system.[/QUOTE]

You simply can't say it has "nothing to do with how many copies are pressed", you and everyone else knows that is technically impossible as supply/demand ONLY work together. We know about the demand for FF7, the problem is the supply was just fine for years, until eBay exploding and Square started talking like there would never be a FF7 remake, the "demand" went up.

However my point is the "demand" is mostly from EBAY hoarders who speculated correctly that the price of FF7 would go up if they hoarded all the copies because of the lack of remake potential.

I also agree that CDs definitely took abuse.


But as always you can't ignore supply OR demand, they both exist.

in this case its a "false rare" because the supply and demand were balanced forever, then magically one day it became rare. And that "magic" was greedy hoarders.


Atlus games are an example of the opposite. There is mild demand for the games new, but they only print limited copies, HOARDERS on EBAY snatch them all up, then the games get good reviews and suddenly everyone who was like "oh ill buy the GH version" can't get a copy because the games never go GH and all the new sealed copies have been EBAY hoarded.

So the demand and supply in the case of atlus are manipulated by dirty capitalistic tricks, exactly like the tricks used to control the price of milk/meat/oil etc...

Its shennanigans. There is no justifiable reason why people should be cock blocked from buying a sealed copy of a CD based game.
 
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