Teacher Fired for telling class "Santa isn't real"

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...her-told-children-Santa-does-exist-fired.html

A primary school teacher who left a class of 25 pupils in tears after she told told them Santa Claus did not exist has been fired..


When excited youngsters became rowdy as they talked about Santa, the supply teacher blurted out: 'It's your parents who leave out presents on Christmas Day.'


The class of seven-year-olds at Blackshaw Lane Primary School, Royton, near Oldham, Greater Manchester burst into tears and told their parents when they arrived home.

Mothers and fathers then complained about the incident and were sent a letter by the school saying the substitute teacher, who only worked at the school for one day last week, has been disciplined.


The school has now said it will not hire her again.


One father said: 'My son came home and said that his substitute teacher had told the class that Santa doesn't exist and it's your mum and dad that put out presents for them.


'Apparently, they were all talking about Christmas and being a bit rowdy. She just came straight out with it.


'My lad was in tears and so was everyone else in the class - especially as it was so close to Christmas.


'I thought it was wrong. He was distraught about it. He's only seven-years-old and it's part of the magic of Christmas to him.


'We told him that she did not believe in Father Christmas because of her religion and he's fine now.'


The father described the incident as 'shocking' and believed it was done with malicious intent.


'A lot of parents were disgusted and complained to the school.'


The teacher, who was supplied by Rochdale and Oldham Supply Agency, is still registered and will work with other schools, the agency said.


Headteacher Angela McCormick refused to comment on the incident.
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What do you guys think? Is this an offense worth firing someone over or are the school & parents overreacting? The "magic" of Christmas is certainly important, but it does not provide a means of living like a job does. The teacher was out of line, but I don't think a firing was necessary and the school catered to angry parents.

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I would expect a teacher to act professionally and have a little self control when teaching young children. She should be fired solely for not showing good judgement.

As far as her means of living, it appears that she has chosen the wrong vocation.
 
There is got to be more to this story.

Subs can be let go at anytime. However if this was done by a full time teacher, then the principal would have given that teacher a slap on the wrist or even protected that teacher.

I'd like to see how the parents can prove that Santa is real?

damn idiotic parents.
 
[quote name='detectiveconan16']She DID reduce the kids to tears. If that's not enough for expulsion, then would maiming a child work?[/quote]

Oh that's nothing compared to what I would have done if they pissed me off :D
 
She should be fired. She isn't capable of being emotionally responsible for children, obviously.
Even a full time teacher should have been fired. This is also delves dangerously close to religious talk in-school. But I don't know the law in the U.K. when it comes to that sort of thing.
 
[quote name='detectiveconan16']She DID reduce the kids to tears. If that's not enough for expulsion, then would maiming a child work?[/quote]

I don't get where the connection is between maiming kids and exposing a fairytale. :lol:
 
Oh come on, give me a break... We all got told by our parents or some family member that santa wasn't real. Was it a big traumatic event? NO.. I think I got with the program about him not being real after seeing that movie, SANTA CLAUSE: THE MOVIE in the 80's.

It would really suck if the sub was doing it part time, while going to school to become a teacher for that area... if they weren't, then no big loss.
 
Santa is just a neat way to rewards kids for believing in magical creatures. Communion wine works the same way for adults.
 
She shouldn't be a teacher, that's for sure. She obviously doesn't like kids.

However I think it's great, good for her! If I have kids I'm telling them truth and not lame bullshit lies.
 
Firing a teacher for it would be stupid, but just not re-hiring a sub who obviously can't handle kids doesn't seem like a big deal.
 
This story would be 100 times better if this lady had told everyone that Christianity isn't real.

When excited Christians at a pro-life rally became rowdy as they talked about Jesus, a material realist blurted out: 'Jesus never existed, God is a farce.'

The rubes assembled at ChickenFriedSteakville, somewhere in the deep south, burst into tears and told their politicians when they arrived home.

Politicians immediately started spouting bullshit about the incident and drafted theocratic legislation that stated the athiest, whose convictions violate the Judeo-Christian foundation of America, should keep his opinion to himself.

One politician said: 'My constituents came home and said that this scientist told him that Jesus doesn't exist and prayers don't work.

'Apparently, they were all talking about taking away women's rights and being a bit rowdy. He just came straight out with it.

'My constituent was in tears and so was everyone else in the city - especially as it was so close to Christmas.

'I thought it was wrong. He was distraught about it. He's only a simpleton and it's part of the magic of Christianity to him.

'We told him that the athiest did not believe in Jesus because he's a godless pinko commie who is going to hell for his sins, and he's fine now.'
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The rubes assembled at ChickenFriedSteakville, somewhere in the deep south, burst into tears and told their politicians when they arrived home.
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Bwahahahahaahhaahaahaha!! Oh god, make it stop... Too funny.
 
Are you guys kidding me with this? Honestly? The 4 years of college, year of student teaching and the degree she has is negated because she accidentally said Santa isnt real? Like no one has every slipped up and said something they didnt want to say.

Did the story say she kicked open the door and screamed that Santa wasnt real while laughing in the face of a crying kid? No. It also said the class was being rowdy which everyone seem to have skipped over. They story didnt define how rowdy the kids where being. Those kids could have been swearing up and down calling the teacher all types of names before she said that.

You people clearly have no idea what teachers go through for these ignorant ass kids. They have to bend over backwards to find ways to teach kids who dont want to be taught and waste everyone time all the while being blamed for low test scores and being paid jack for it.


All I am saying is that I will always give teachers the benefit of the doubt because the myth that every child is a special, hard working genius in the body of a angel is as false as Santa himself.


I am sure there is more to the story as to why they fired her but if its solely for telling a bunch of kids there is no santa.....thats straight bull.
 
I think Dennis Leary said it best during his comedy christmas special.

My parents fed me the bullshit about santa then broke my heart when I found out it wasn't true. You think I'm going to let my kids go without going through that same shock and heartbreak? I don't think so.
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The title is fairly misleading. The chick was a sub, so it wasn't like she wroked there permanently. If you are going to be a substitute, and you say something stupid to make a bunch of kids cry, goodbye.
 
Yeah ^ exactly. I don't care if it's over something as silly (which this isn't to kids) as Santa, if you make a whole classroom of kids cry you aren't fit to be a teacher.
 
[quote name='HowStern']Yeah ^ exactly. I don't care if it's over something as silly (which this isn't to kids) as Santa, if you make a whole classroom of kids cry you aren't fit to be a teacher.[/quote]

*facefuckingpalm*

These kids' parents taught them that something that didn't exist actually did exist. The teacher told the kids the truth. The fact the kids cried is on the parents, not the teacher.
 
[quote name='evanft']*facefuckingpalm*

These kids' parents taught them that something that didn't exist actually did exist. The teacher told the kids the truth. The fact the kids cried is on the parents, not the teacher.[/quote]

Oh, wow...

You are obviously not a parent. At least, I hope not. It's called childhood. You're supposed to make it fun and "magical" as much as possible before the kid inevitably finds out the world sucks then you die.

How absurd to assume this is the parents fault for following a 200 year old tradition. You'd think after 2 centuries the teacher would have caught on, no?
 
[quote name='HowStern']Oh, wow...

You are obviously not a parent. At least, I hope not. It's called childhood. You're supposed to make it fun and "magical" as much as possible before the kid inevitably finds out the world sucks then you die.

How absurd to assume this is the parents fault for following a 200 year old tradition. You'd think after 2 centuries the teacher would have caught on, no?[/quote]


This is the exact reason why I hate that type of thinking. I would hope that you are also not a parent or at least not raising your kids in a way that make it seem like the only good things in life comes from made up bullshit fairy tales.

When I was a kid, the very second I was capable of somewhat understanding the world around me my parents told me point blank there is no Santa. Now they didnt say storm in and force everyone to believe there is no Santa. But they wanted me to understand that the holidays are about real people who have real problems that you should show real compassion to.

And let me tell you when I look back on my childhood I remember it being extremely magical beacuse I didnt spend my time in a mall sitting on some fat out of work actors lap, I was running Toys for Tots programs and working in homeless shelters helping real people.

I am not knocking Santa. You should have some fun with your kids. But you should be teaching your kids to believe in the idea that Santa represents, good will, kindness and understanding towards other people. Not guilt tripping your kids by saying some magically fat guy is going to bring them a present if they are good.

Typically lazy parenting. So you dont have to explain anything to your kid you want to lie to them for years on end to "save them," from the fact that good things only come from good hard working people.
 
^You're trying to connect point A to D without going through B and C.
Letting your kids have a fantasy every year does not coincide with lazy parenting. Letting them be excited over a story does not coincide with guilt tripping them.

The fact that your mind makes these warped generalized connections is exactly why you maybe should have had some "fairy tales" in your childhood. The holidays aren't about real people. They are about what you make them. Everyone celebrates them differently. Show some respect for those that don't celebrate the way you do.
 
[quote name='HowStern']You are obviously not a parent. At least, I hope not. It's called childhood. You're supposed to make it fun and "magical" as much as possible before the kid inevitably finds out the world sucks then you die. [/quote]

Are you fucking stupid? Why not just tell kids that the universe is made up of gumdrops and fucking lollipops and that people bleed strawberry jelly? That sure sounds fucking magical to me!

[quote name='HowStern']How absurd to assume this is the parents fault for following a 200 year old tradition. You'd think after 2 centuries the teacher would have caught on, no? [/quote]

That is one of the worst arguments for anything I've ever seen.
 
[quote name='HowStern']
The holidays aren't about real people. They are about what you make them. Everyone celebrates them differently. Show some respect for those that don't celebrate the way you do.[/quote]

What?

:rofl:

You know actually I agree 100%. Next time I see one of those salvation army guys, I am going to punch him in the face and tell him to get a real job. fuck people.

Celebrate? I dont even celebrate Christmas I just am not a selfish douche bag I guess.

People loosing their homes left and right, jobs getting cut across the board, economy on the verge of breaking down....but as along as you believe in Santa I guess everything will be alright.

As I said, having fun with your kids is one thing. But allowing them to believe that the Santa story is ANYTHING BUT a simple story is lazy as hell.

God I hope you dont have kids. Because thats just what the world needs more dumbasses who believe in fairy tales and cant come to grips with the real world around them.

I bet you will teach your daughter that she actually will find a prince charming that will sweep her off her feat at first glance. Because you know...in magically fairy bullshit land no one has to work at making a relationship last. You wake up fall end of heels for the first person with a pretty smile and live happily after after....mirite?
 
Typical CAG thread full of asshole responses. :roll:

The teacher shouldn't get fired over this, but it was a shitty thing to do. It's not an elementary school teacher's job to tell kids Santa isn't real. That's a personal decision for parents to make--both whether the ever do the Santa thing and how long they do it with their kids.

And there's nothing wrong with doing the santa thing with your little kids. Life sucks, the world sucks, why not let them have some fantasy in their childhood before facing the cold hard realities of life? They'll have to face that soon enough, no reason to be worrying about it as 5 year olds.
 
Where the hell does it come from that life ends at 12 years old? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
 
Did some of you guys even read the article? A teacher wasn't fired, they decided not to hire the same sub in the future. I dunno how it is in Britain, but here substitute teachers don't even fucking know anything and didn't go to school like a real teacher. They're just babysitters, and this one apparently can't handle children, so it seems justified to me.

I don't really have a problem with telling kids that santa isn't real, but it shouldn't be some shitty substitute teacher doing it. Believing in santa as a kid isn't the problem with kids, it's fucking bratz and hannah montana. Keep that shit away from them.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Where the hell does it come from that life ends at 12 years old? What the fuck is wrong with you people?[/QUOTE]

I didn't say life ends, but there's nothing wrong with letting kids enjoy fantasy's in childhood before they have to start worrying so much about grades, getting a good job, and paying attention to all the evil in the world.

I think most every adult would love to go back to being a child and not having to worry about work, bills, health care etc. and be blissfully ignorant to the world's problems.

And I say that as a person who love's my job, has no major problems in my life, and generally am completely happy.
 
Believing in Santa leads to believing in other bullshit nonsense, like Scientology. Please, think of the children.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I didn't say life ends, but there's nothing wrong with letting kids enjoy fantasy's in childhood before they have to start worrying so much about grades, getting a good job, and paying attention to all the evil in the world.

I think most every adult would love to go back to being a child and not having to worry about work, bills, health care etc. and be blissfully ignorant to the world's problems.

And I say that as a person who love's my job, has no major problems in my life, and generally am completely happy.[/quote]

I didnt say that letting kids enjoy a fantasy was bad either but I fully disagree with the "word sucks," assessment. As I, like you have a great job, great girlfriend, pretty damn good life and thats coming from a piss poor family in the middle of the ghetto.

Also, the article didnt say she kicked open the door and forced fed it to them. It said she mentioned it during a rowdy class. That could mean damn near anything. She could have barely said it in frustration of her class being stupid only to have just 1 kid hear it and then they ran around saying it.

All the people in the world who get the benefit of the doubt and she cant get it over Santa? Thats pretty lame. Teacher are the most under appreciated potions here in America....maybe its different over there.


But I think the thread got a little side tracked with HowStern. He clearly stated that the holidays were not about other people just about himself. Which is fine....but that still makes him an asshole....which prompted all the asshole remarks. At least on my part. ;)
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I didnt say that letting kids enjoy a fantasy was bad either but I fully disagree with the "word sucks," assessment. As I, like you have a great job, great girlfriend, pretty damn good life and thats coming from a piss poor family in the middle of the ghetto.
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Mine and your personal lives are fine. But the world still sucks. Wars. Famines. Diseases. Racism. etc. etc. And of course many people aren't so well off in their personal lives and have a ton of stress to deal with.

So it's fine to have fantasies for kids, before they have to face reality.
 
[quote name='georox']Believing in Santa leads to believing in other bullshit nonsense, like Scientology. Please, think of the children.[/QUOTE]

I'd gladly toss aside the Santa Claus tradition if the world can also agree that believing in Jesus Christ and any form of god or supreme being is just as fucking stupid. Actually it's probably more stupid since people believe that crap as adults.
 
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[quote name='Soodmeg']What?

:rofl:

You know actually I agree 100%. Next time I see one of those salvation army guys, I am going to punch him in the face and tell him to get a real job. fuck people.

Celebrate? I dont even celebrate Christmas I just am not a selfish douche bag I guess.

People loosing their homes left and right, jobs getting cut across the board, economy on the verge of breaking down....but as along as you believe in Santa I guess everything will be alright.

As I said, having fun with your kids is one thing. But allowing them to believe that the Santa story is ANYTHING BUT a simple story is lazy as hell.

God I hope you dont have kids. Because thats just what the world needs more dumbasses who believe in fairy tales and cant come to grips with the real world around them.

I bet you will teach your daughter that she actually will find a prince charming that will sweep her off her feat at first glance. Because you know...in magically fairy bullshit land no one has to work at making a relationship last. You wake up fall end of heels for the first person with a pretty smile and live happily after after....mirite?[/quote]


Oh, please. It's obvious you are butthurt you didn't have the joy of Santa as a kid and instead put yourself on a high horse over anyone that does/did by saying "I'm not a selfish asshole so I did toys for tots instead of messing around with stupid fantasies."

You even go as far with your high horse as to call people who believe in Santa "dumbasses" (you do realize that you're basically calling all innocent trusting children dumbasses, right?). But I'm the one who shouldn't have kids? ROFL

And the fact that you associate me saying "People will celebrate holidays in their own personal way" with "Let's punch a salvation army volunteer in the face" further proves you have no sense of rational correlation going on in your head.
 
Actually, I was calling you a dumbass. Man, thats the 3rd time you got a post completely wrong.

But yeah, we got it. Holidays are not about anyone other than yourself. Great motto. Words to live by.

Have fun with that.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg'] Holidays are not about anyone other than yourself. Great motto. Words to live by.
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Now you're just being facetious. He never said or implied that. He's just saying people celebrate the holidays in different ways, and we shouldn't be judgemental assholes and bash people who celebrate differently than us.

Some people view it as mainly a religious holiday and do religious themed stuff. Others view it as a time to give back to the community and do public service. Others (myself included) view it as a chance to spend time with family, exchange gifts, eat good food etc. Some like the Santa Clause myth for their children, some don't.

Celebrate your way, and let other families celebrate how they choose. I'll never get why people give a shit what other's do for things like this that hurt no one.
 
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