The 2008 MLB Season Thread (Update: Phillies Won)

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[quote name='TheRock88']A's acquire Matt Holliday

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-hollidaytraded111008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

All I gotta say is, wtf? Isnt Beane usually the one who trades away a superstar for 3 prospects?[/quote]

Look at it this way, Beane traded pieces he got for Swisher and Haren and moved Street in a deal for Holliday. Not too bad of a deal on his end, especially since it really doesn't damage the farm from what they got in the other 2 trades, plus Blanton, not sure what they got there though.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']A's acquire Matt Holliday

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-hollidaytraded111008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

All I gotta say is, wtf? Isnt Beane usually the one who trades away a superstar for 3 prospects?[/quote]

They freed up a lot of their payroll trading away their studs. Chances are he's going to bail at seasons end or get dealt, but I wouldn't rule out the A's giving him a long term deal and make him the face of the franchise in Fremont.
 
It's a pretty good deal if it's what's being reported. A's got Gonzalez and Smith in the Haren deal and drafted Street as a sandwich pick. So essentially, the A's traded Haren, Connor Robertson, and a glorified set up man for Holliday, Dana Eveland, Cris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, and Brett Anderson. This is already a good deal for the A's and will be a spectacular deal depending on Holliday's performance and the length of his stay.
 
The other deal i heard is a typical marlin deal.

Willingham and Olsen to the Nats for prospects and nobodies

looks like the marlins are not going with the building up the prospects and win but to dismantle any chance of rebuilding or building a good franchise. dont you just ove jeff loria.
 
yeah but people said that after last season when the moved willis/caberra....they allegedly have a stacked system, with a ton of players that are ready to make the jump to the mlb now.
 
News for today:

Cubs get Kevin Gregg from Florida and won't bring back Kerry Wood

Yankees get Nick Swisher and a minor league pitcher from the White Sox for Wilson Betemit and two pitching prospects.

Cliff Lee wins the AL Cy Young.
 
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...Lee.

Cliff Lee.

Silver Sluggers:

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Catcher: Joe Mauer, Twins
First base: Justin Morneau, Twins
Second base: Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
Third base: Alex Rodriguez, Yankees
Shortstop: Derek Jeter, Yankees
Outfield: Josh Hamilton, Rangers
Outfield: Carlos Quentin, White Sox
Outfield: Grady Sizemore, Indians
Designated hitter: Aubrey Huff, Orioles
NATIONAL LEAGUE
Catcher: Brian McCann, Braves
First base: Albert Pujols, Cardinals
Second base: Chase Utley, Phillies
Third base: David Wright, Mets
Shortstop: Hanley Ramirez, Marlins
Outfield: Ryan Braun, Brewers
Outfield: Matt Holliday, Rockies
Outfield: Ryan Ludwick, Cardinals
Pitcher: Carlos Zambrano, Cubs
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']News for today:

Cubs get Kevin Gregg from Florida and won't bring back Kerry Wood

Yankees get Nick Swisher and a minor league pitcher from the White Sox for Wilson Betemit and two pitching prospects.

Cliff Floyd wins the AL Cy Young.[/quote]

:shock:
 
Man it sucks the Diamondbacks have to be so cheap, Randy willing to take a 50% cut in pay and they haven't accepted it yet. I think Randy is well worth 4 to 5 million for one year, he might be old but he is still pitching well and he should win 300 as a Diamondback.
 
Jeremy Affeldt signed with the Giants...nice signing to sure up the pen...Stark had him rated as the 2nd best bullpen arm in free-agency behind K-Rod.

I'm hoping we make a run for Texiera.....sure up the infield a little bit......

PLEASE SABEAN STAY AWAY FROM CC SABATHIA...

Am I the only one who thinks Sabathia's going majorly downhill after this season? He just pitched 1231092831902312 pitches from the Brewers....he doesn't pitched well in the post-season....

Sounds like a perfect candidate for the Yanks to me...
 
[quote name='BoSoxFan900']Glad to see the Sox dealt Crisp. Get a pretty solid reliever and clear some room to go after Burnett.[/quote]

They don't really need Burnett, especially at what its going to cost per year. I think they are "in" on him just to help drive up the price.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Am I the only one who thinks Sabathia's going majorly downhill after this season? He just pitched 1231092831902312 pitches from the Brewers....he doesn't pitched well in the post-season....

Sounds like a perfect candidate for the Yanks to me...[/quote]

It doesn't help that he weighs a billion pounds. He's good but I don't think he'll continue being that good unless he drops some weight.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Jeremy Affeldt signed with the Giants...nice signing to sure up the pen...Stark had him rated as the 2nd best bullpen arm in free-agency behind K-Rod.

I'm hoping we make a run for Texiera.....sure up the infield a little bit......

PLEASE SABEAN STAY AWAY FROM CC SABATHIA...

Am I the only one who thinks Sabathia's going majorly downhill after this season? He just pitched 1231092831902312 pitches from the Brewers....he doesn't pitched well in the post-season....

Sounds like a perfect candidate for the Yanks to me...[/QUOTE]

That sounds like the A-Rod of pitching. He would be a great fit in pin stripes than.
 
Man, I need this offseason to pick up. Want to see my Dodgers do something smart, not paying way too much for a player who sucks, Jones, Pierre, Schmidt, etc. We have too many holes going into next year.
 
[quote name='vrs1650']Man, I need this offseason to pick up. Want to see my Dodgers do something smart, not paying way too much for a player who sucks, Jones, Pierre, Schmidt, etc. We have too many holes going into next year.[/QUOTE]

first rumour i heard about them is going after Jason Varitek since they arent too happy with Martin's numbers regressing.
 
Well this thread is dead but ALOT has happend.

C.C is now a yank at a whopping 160 million over 7 years
Francisco Rodriguez is now a Met at 3 years 37
Mets,Seattle,and Cleveland involved ina 3 team 12 player deal that sent Putz to NYM,Heilman and Chavez and the Indians prospect Gutierrez to Seattle, and the Indians get Valbuena and Joe Smit.
Nationals offered Texiera 8 years 180 million dollars. Red Sox looking at 150 over 6 and Angels 200+
Burnett is almost done at 5 years 80 million
Lugo for Byrnes is being discussed
Marquis for Shoenweiss is being discussed

im just trying to remember the other stuff that happend..but wow ti guess baseball is recession proof huh hehe.
 
Yeah so basically the Yankees have no execuse to not win the world series for another 7 years, just like they did the last 6/7.

The Sox won't have much of a execuse either, but compared to Yankees salary it will be chump change unless they start dumping people.

I'm guessing the Sox will get Texiera and be content with the new Japanese guy they signed off season.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Putz and K-Rod. Omar made a couple of good moves yay!! It's been a while. :)[/QUOTE]

yeah we now have the best 8th and 9th inning combo in the league. Putz may be even better than K-Rod. and Sean Green will be big for us in the pen. we still need SP and a new 2nd basemen though. Hoping for a combo of Wolf,Garland, and Lowe to pull through and than the winter moves will be complete.
 
An ideal situation would be signing Garland as a back of the rotation guy, every other major bidder signing someone other than Lowe, leaving him nowhere to go but The Mets, trading Luis Castillo for Jose Guillen, then signing Orlando Hudson or David Eckstein at second. That's a pipe dream though.
 
[quote name='st0neface']An ideal situation would be signing Garland as a back of the rotation guy, every other major bidder signing someone other than Lowe, leaving him nowhere to go but The Mets, trading Luis Castillo for Jose Guillen, then signing Orlando Hudson or David Eckstein at second. That's a pipe dream though.[/QUOTE]

There is pretty much zero chance of Castillo getting moved. Nobody wants to take on his contract. I would love for the Mets to move him and sign Hudson, but I doubt that will happen.

Garland would be a decent 5th guy, supposedly they are meeting with Boras today to discuss Perez and Lowe, and Perez is still high on the Mets list.
 
Lugo for Byrnes is being discussed

Thank jebus Diamondbacks signed Felipe Lopez, while he is no Orlando Hudson... I don't think they should give up so quickly on Byrnes... especially for Lugo.
 
It would have saved them money. Byrnes cost a couple million more and if it the lopes that played for the nationals he is just as horible as lugo. Byrnes is also coming off a big injury.
 
While the Diamondbacks need every cent they can get, I think dumping Byrnes after one injury riddled season to be a mistake.
He has been pretty resilient until recently...

That may be the case, but I think signing Lopez for 3.5 million for a year is better than doing a straight Byrnes/Lugo trade.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']burnett signed 5 year 80 mill deal with the yanks[/QUOTE]

Not surprised. He had 3 choices...two were losing teams and than you have the Bankees. it was an easy decision for him but man as dafoomie said, for their sakes, they better hope he is healthy. I mean hasnt had 20 starts in a season yet...thats risky.

[quote name='DomLando']There is pretty much zero chance of Castillo getting moved. Nobody wants to take on his contract. I would love for the Mets to move him and sign Hudson, but I doubt that will happen.

Garland would be a decent 5th guy, supposedly they are meeting with Boras today to discuss Perez and Lowe, and Perez is still high on the Mets list.[/QUOTE]

Yeah no one is going to want a guy who hit what .245 with 3 homers and 28 rbi? yeah no one. He has lost alot of power. He cant 't slap it down the left field baseline like he used to. I remember that met/yankee game i was at this year. he hit a breaking ball from petitte and all it did was dribble down the third baseline and stayed fair. didnt even make it past the mound.

Well i hope the mets get a combo of Wolf,Garland, and Lowe. I dont want to go in to the season with Brandon Knight at 4 and Niese at 5. I like Niese. I think he is going to be great but i would like him as a 6th and step in when we need him so he can gradually get his feet wet. hell even if we get Perez back with either Wolf of Garland ill be happy. Wolf is a high K guy and Garland even though his era is in the high 4s he still won 14 games. And they may come at a bargain so im all for bringing them in.

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The Mets just traded Scott Shoenweiss to the Diamondbacks for Connor Robertson who came over in the Danny Haren trade. I think this move was just to dump Showenweiss and we a Minor leaguer. Also im sad to see that Argenis Reyes just got non-tendered making him a free agent. Sure he sucked at hitting..but man was he fast.
 
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[quote name='integralsmatic']Not surprised. He had 3 choices...two were losing teams and than you have the Bankees. it was an easy decision for him but man as dafoomie said, for their sakes, they better hope he is healthy. I mean hasnt had 20 starts in a season yet...thats risky.



Yeah no one is going to want a guy who hit what .245 with 3 homers and 28 rbi? yeah no one. He has lost alot of power. He cant 't slap it down the left field baseline like he used to. I remember that met/yankee game i was at this year. he hit a breaking ball from petitte and all it did was dribble down the third baseline and stayed fair. didnt even make it past the mound.

Well i hope the mets get a combo of Wolf,Garland, and Lowe. I dont want to go in to the season with Brandon Knight at 4 and Niese at 5. I like Niese. I think he is going to be great but i would like him as a 6th and step in when we need him so he can gradually get his feet wet. hell even if we get Perez back with either Wolf of Garland ill be happy. Wolf is a high K guy and Garland even though his era is in the high 4s he still won 14 games. And they may come at a bargain so im all for bringing them in.

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The Mets just traded Scott Shoenweiss to the Diamondbacks for Connor Robertson who came over in the Danny Haren trade. I think this move was just to dump Showenweiss and we a Minor leaguer. Also im sad to see that Argenis Reyes just got non-tendered making him a free agent. Sure he sucked at hitting..but man was he fast.[/QUOTE]

Reyes had a good stretch but he wasn't worth keeping. It was good to get Sho out of there. They have Feliciano as a left handed specialist they don't need two. Scott proved last year he can't get out righties. Omar has totally revamped the bullpen.
 
The move by the Phillies to get Ibanez seems like a pretty good move. He hits about 30 points higher than Burrell, and his home run numbers might go up a little bit playing 81 games at Citizens Bank Park.

It's unfortunate to see Burrell go, but we already have a power hitter that hits in the .250 range.

As for the Yankees, they probably screwed up pretty badly in getting Sabathia and Burnett for the prices they did. Sabathia is good, there's no doubt about that, but I don't think he is $23 million/year good. And like everyone else has already been saying, Burnett is a decent pitcher with pretty good strikeout numbers. Overall, they're decent acquisitions, but not for the price they chose to pay.

And as for Texiera, I like him, but is he really in that A-Rod/$200 million contract range? He's a great fielder, hits around .290/.300, has around 30 homers per year, and doesn't appear to be a diva, but does that really making him worth that much? If he was a career .320 hitter and averaged 40 homers a year, okay, but he's a little below that, and should be paid as such.
 
According to weei, the numbers texeria put up in his first 6 or so years and before age 28 are identical to that of manny ramirez, albert pujols, arod and some of the other great hitters in the game. I guess when it comes down to it, he is an offensive beast that no one hears about. He is going into his prime now and if the sox sign him I hope he explodes similiar to pujols/ramirez did after 28.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']According to weei, the numbers texeria put up in his first 6 or so years and before age 28 are identical to that of manny ramirez, albert pujols, arod and some of the other great hitters in the game. I guess when it comes down to it, he is an offensive beast that no one hears about. He is going into his prime now and if the sox sign him I hope he explodes similiar to pujols/ramirez did after 28.[/QUOTE]

thats going to be utter powerhouse lineup that i dont even the think the yankees can fend against...i mean if you have Ortiz as a full time DH and Pedroia at the top of the lineup..and then have tex and bay around ortiz......thats going to be sick. Not even C.C and Burnett could stop that.
 
Yes and no. It depends on a lot of things going right for either club. The Yanks have an above avg starting rotation. There middle relief IMO is weak. At some point mariano has to have age catch up to him and he will drop from an elite closer to an avg one I am not sure when that is going to be this year. Arod is a beast, but will age and injuries start to take tolls on jeter,Damon,matsui, and posada. Which player will cano be?

As for the rays they have a great sp staff. Will there bullpen be able to repeat the awsome job they did this year. Middle relief pitchers don't historically pitch awsome every year, and a lot of the bullpen had career years. Longoria is a beast in the making. Will upton be the slightly better then avg player he was all year or the stud he was in the playoffs? The rays were a avg offensive team at best last year. They won due to the fact they made the key hits every single game to score enough to win. Are the rays position players all just great players when under pressure or did everything just click this year

Either way, assuming there isn't and horible injury to any team the sox, yanks and rays should have an interesting battle this upcoming year. All 3 could win 90 games.

One interesting thing about the yanks is that currently they are losing 20 game winner musina and they are losing iirc 16 game winner in petite. In theory the wins cc and Burnett should bring to them are approx what they are losing.
 
I don't understand why tex hasn't chosen a team yet. He has know for weeks who was interested. Most reports state that either teams are dropping out or are refusing to change there intial offer.
 
I'm dissappointed the Braves didn't land Furcal. Looked like they had him earlier in the week, and now he's re-signing with the Dodgers for about the same money they offered. Would have been nice to have him back on the team. :(

Been a dreadful offseason so far. Haven't landed any big pitchers or any offensive help. :( Couple that with the Mets loading up and the Phillies staying largely intact and it looks to be another long season. Which sucks since I'm moving to Atlanta this summer.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']I don't understand why tex hasn't chosen a team yet. He has know for weeks who was interested. Most reports state that either teams are dropping out or are refusing to change there intial offer.[/QUOTE]
Reportedly the Angels and Sox have similar or identical offers on the table, and Washington's might be even higher. Boras is trying to leverage that and get the Sox or Angels to blink and up their offer, but I think the Sox know that they're the preferred destination among the serious bidders. Though I wouldn't rule the Angels out if they go from 8 years to 10 and the Sox don't match.
 
I had heard that the sox were about 20mill above the nearest competitor and were over 200mill. You have henry going out and saying he won't do a 10 year deal, and then later on in the day he talked about the national economic crisis and how it will hurt baseball next year. He went on to talk about how they have to be shrewd in decisions for players and that they wouldn't break the bank. I am not sure if that was for tex or for varitek. There was a GM involved in the deals that said the sox would get a twofer...Much like dice k and drew, the sox would get tex and varitek.
 
So much money for a guy that has a .290 career average with an OBP of under .380....and he can't run the bags well either? Shit....I need Boras to be my agent...

 
well 1/6th of his career .290 ba has a .258 full rookie season in there. He is entering the prime years of most MLB position players. His numbers for the first 6 years are close to identical to manny, arid and pujols. IMO all baseball players make too much. Espically pitchers. Hello barry ditto ;)
 
John Henry just announced the Bosox are out for Tex. They said they essentially weren't in the same ballpark about the contract. They are "not going to be a factor" in the negotiations now.
 
Yeah I just saw that. That sucks. IMO big pappi is on the decline, and who knows how productive Lowell will be. There isn't a major offensive stud like tex available anytime in the next couple of years. It is really interesting it has been henry talking and not theo or luchinno. Henry doesn't speak all that often espically in contract talks.
 
Henry is calling Boras's bluff. He's essentially saying that this is our offer, and if you've got a better one take it, because we're not budging.

Boras is trying to use the Nationals to drive up the price when Teixeira has no intention of going there, and Henry is not going to be played. They know they've got the Angels offer beat, and that the Yankees aren't in it.
 
I really hope Teixierra decides to take the Red Sox offer. Since it fits both criteria going into the off season, East Coast and Winning Team.

I really hope this is Henry calling Boras' bluff. If not, I hope he signs with the Nats and the Sox can make a splash elsewhere.
 
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