The 2008 MLB Season Thread (Update: Phillies Won)

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won't hanley be in his prime when his contract is up...a lot of the stud pitchers did that a couple years ago...santana, sheets and there were one or 2 others that I was shocked that they signed the deal when the yanks or redsox would have about doubled what they were making. Most of the deals were expiring when they were in there prime. Hanley will be 30 when the deal is up. He will then probably get a megaton deal for 6 - 8 years.

Kinda suprised that hanley decided to stay with the marlins though. One of the big knocks on him when he was in the sox minor league system, is when there weren't anyone in the stands (lower level games) he didn't play as well, and didn't put much effort into it while games with packed stands it was like he was a different player. Regardless even in the games with the stands were empty he still had incredible numbers.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Oh, no doubt about that at all. A better example of being overpaid would be Julio Lugo and Barry Zito. Hanley is making peanuts, well for a baseball player, compared to these 2 guys. Wish the Sox still had him, then there'd be no Lugo. But there would also be no Beckett and no 2007 World Series champs, so its a tough pill to swollow, but I'll take the rings.[/quote]

Nor would there be a Mike Lowell
 
[quote name='ryanbph']most teams don't have the setup guy throwing 2 full inn...they throw 1 full inn and maybe an out or 2. Very rarely do you see jobba coming out in the 7th...or rafeal bettencourt (when borrowski was closing). Yes it does happen, but not that often and for a young kid who they are trying to groom to be either a closer or 8th inn setup guy leaving him out there for 2 inn doesn't make any sense. For starters our long guy, julian tavarez has mostly been a 1 or 2 inn pitcher this year. He hadn't pitched since april 24th. He has pitched in 7 games and has a total of 10.1 ip. 2nd of all, it appears most of hansons appearances in AAA have been a tad over 1ip, so why throw him for 2. Watching the game, I could clearly see he was losing command of his pitches, and IMO probably because he was out there too long.

I agree a MLB setup guy should have the abillity to go 2ip. I also don't believe having a 24 year old kid, who was rushed to the majors and didn't perform well, with redsox nation who have no problem booing stars (ask david ortiz at the start of this year, or keith foulke in 05) to throw 2ip. He has nasty stuff, that is tough to hit when it is in the strike zone. He lost command off all his pitches in the 2nd inn. It isn't like he was throwing 2inn every outing in AAA. Let him get confortable, be dominant pitcher that he can be, and build up his arm strength.

It isn't like they didn't have pitchers who could have used some work. Julian Tavarez last threw on 4/24. Since 4/20, David Aardsma had pitched a grand total of 4ip. He has been very effective coming out of the pen so far this year. Lopez hadn't pitched in 3 days and timlin in 4 days. We had the majority of the bullpen that could have contribute 1ip[/QUOTE]

With Tavarez being designated for assignment, looks like we have an answer.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']Asdrubal's triple play was perfect...[/quote]

I think it's funny that an unassisted triple play is more common than the around the horn variety.
 
yeah looks like hanson is going to stay on the team for awhile...I wonder who they will use in long relief when needed. I would also think that timlin better watch his back. The sox pitching coach said that they need to look long and hard on who helps them be a better ball club. The fact that are dumping tavarez and keeping lester (who still has options to go back to the minors) is interesting. They need to get a long man in the bullpen, and they have about 2 wks to decide on what to do with colon.

Colon had signed a contract that if he wasn't on the mlb roster by may 5th he could opt out of it. Due to a setback, they mutually agreed to extend that untill early june. If he continues to be throwing the way it has sounded like in the reports, he most likely will join the rotation. A month later after the decision on colon, we will most likely have schilling back. So barring injuries, 2 current starting pitchers will have to be moved. I would love to see wakefield go into the pen the be the long guy.
 
Giants playing a lot better than I expected, i'm really enjoying this baseball season a lot more. With the improvements of the Rays and Orioles, Twins playing well, A's are playing stellar.

What the fuck is wrong with the Rockies?
 
wow no posts in here and interleague started. Shit.

well the yankees are one and done. I cant believe we got to wang and then blew it up later.

I was at the saturday series opener with Johan Pitching. What a game that was. After a shakey first, Santana then recovers and owns most of the game with the exception of an abreu and giambi home runs. Thats all the runs they could mustered were the homers. I hope this is a upstart to re-up their motivation and get their swagger back. if Reyes can bomb two homers in 2 games. than something is starting to go right.
 
This thread is dead!

Well, I watched the Yankees/Mets game last night. Pretty crazy how quickly the NYM blew it open.

Yankees fans: what do you think is going to happen with your team? The same second half turn around that they've had the last couple of years, or a big trading deadline? Just curious..
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']I love Lance "Big Puma" Berkman and those Astros[/QUOTE]

Big Puma? Where did you come up with that one?

I see who made it up now. Fire them for making dumb nicknames.

Fat Elvis. Period. The one guy I can say who's allowed to use his own nickname.
 
[quote name='Synergy']
Yankees fans: what do you think is going to happen with your team? The same second half turn around that they've had the last couple of years, or a big trading deadline? Just curious..[/quote]


well as a redsox fans I have some thoughts on there team. IMO they are in a heap of trouble. They really don't have the pitching depth to really make a dramatic turn around. Petite isn't the same as he was last year. He is either getting old or he was really bothered by the clemans steroid issues. Big trades are for the most part dead. With league parity, everyone has a decent shot at making the playoffs come the trade deadline. The teams that aren't in it, most likely don't have a big enough player to make the yanks turn it around. The only shot that they have is if some team that is dealing with the last year of the contract of a star and don't know if they want to resign them/or don't think they can afford them. A prime example would be ben sheets and the brew crew. In order to get someone of that caliber the yanks would have to empty there already somewhat thin minor league system and/or include one of the big young guns.

IMO the yanks should just stay the course, let the younger players play and dump a lot of useless payroll in the offseason. The redsox came in third a couple of years ago. While in a big market that has a loyal fanbase it is tough to do rebuilding years but if they are only able to limit it to this year they should be set for a couple of years. The major wildcard is will hank have any bite to his bark. If he does, that could set the team back several years. The yanks that won throughout the 90's had a bunch of homegrown talent and they would buy/trade for a big superstar in the whole in there lineup.
 
OK, the no-no has been completed against the worst offense in the majors... Now back to the Cubs Astros!

Congrats to Lester. Man how things have changed for him. From cancer scare to no-no...

EDIT: LOL. I love how the first comments from Orel when they returned from the Sox game were about how the Royals are no slouch and guys like Grudzeilanik are hitting .333. The Royals have scored around 80 runs fewer than the Red Sox, they're a real offensive juggernaut...
 
[quote name='Chitown021']OK, the no-no has been completed against the worst offense in the majors...[/quote]Huh, and here I thought Cleveland had the night off.
 
If throwing a no hitter against the worst offense in baseball were easy, there would be 162 no hitters every year. There aren't. Besides, KC is tied for 5th in the AL in team batting average.

Now you guys know why we wouldn't trade him or Ellsbury for Santana... And Ellsbury made an outstanding catch to keep the no no, too.
 
well it appears we would have traded lester or ellsbury for santana...I thought the holdup was the additional minor league players...

Lets hope lester and dice k continue to pound the strike zone..with colon coming off the DL it will be interesting to see what the sox do. Assuming everyone remains somewhat healthy they will have a rotation of beckett, dice k, colon, wakefield, lester and buckholtz and schilling is due back in early july. IMO if colon pitches well, buckholtz will find himself back in AAA after his DL stint.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']well it appears we would have traded lester or ellsbury for santana...I thought the holdup was the additional minor league players....[/QUOTE]
The holdup was them asking for both instead of just one plus additional minor leaguers. I still think anything the Sox and Yankees were offering was better than Carlos Gomez +, but him going to the NL was the best case scenario.
 
I had thought the issue was bowden...they wanted ellsbury or lester, and lowrie, masterson and the sox offered a single a guy, and the twins wanted bowden


what really pisses me off, is I was offered 2 free tix to last nights game, but I couldn't find anyone to watch my 1 year old daughter, and she is too active right now to sit threw an entire baseball game (at least without my wife there to help out.)
 
[quote name='Chitown021']OK, the no-no has been completed against the worst offense in the majors... Now back to the Cubs Astros!

Congrats to Lester. Man how things have changed for him. From cancer scare to no-no...

EDIT: LOL. I love how the first comments from Orel when they returned from the Sox game were about how the Royals are no slouch and guys like Grudzeilanik are hitting .333. The Royals have scored around 80 runs fewer than the Red Sox, they're a real offensive juggernaut...[/quote]


A no-hitter doesn't tell you whether a guy walked 10, gave up any earned or unearned runs, or even if his team won the game. The Royals entered the game with the 5th best batting avg. in the AL. It would be more difficult to not allow any hits to the Royals than many other teams in the AL.

The Royals have also scored the least number of runs in the AL. (Example #10035873245 of why batting avg. is a worthless statistic)
 
Piazza retired today.

You realize we could have one of the most talented eligible HOF classes in history?

Piazza
Martinez?
Smoltz?
Glavine?
Maddux?
Johnson?
Thomas?
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Piazza retired today.

You realize we could have one of the most talented eligible HOF classes in history?

Piazza
Martinez?
Smoltz?
Glavine?
Maddux?
Johnson?
Thomas?[/quote]


List is impressive.

Barring any steroids allegations (HOF voters have shown the will disregard users) the only guy I think may have trouble is Frank Thomas. The voters discriminate heavily against DH's and Relief Pitchers, so you know they will try to hold that against him.

It would be weird to see the former big 3 in Atlanta retire at the same time. An end of an era sort of thing.
 
man did we get fucking pounded by the braves today. First Glavine and their rookie pitcher. Offense was stagnant and starting pitching failed us...im starting to wonder about Vargas. He is not fairing any better than figuroa has...but maybe he needs some time. i thought the yankee series would be a boost in momentum for the mets. Boy,was i wrong. Atleast Luis Castillo hit a homer =)

Edit: let me throw out a late Congrats to jon lester. What a performance. no matter how bad a team is...the odds of getting a no hitter are pretty low. Good job lester, bad news for the rest of the AL EAST. if he is on fire...with Dice and Beckett pitching the way they are..its going to be a long season for the other teams in there.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']man did we get fucking pounded by the braves today. First Glavine and their rookie pitcher. Offense was stagnant and starting pitching failed us...im starting to wonder about Vargas. He is not fairing any better than figuroa has...but maybe he needs some time. i thought the yankee series would be a boost in momentum for the mets. Boy,was i wrong. Atleast Luis Castillo hit a homer =)

Edit: let me throw out a late Congrats to jon lester. What a performance. no matter how bad a team is...the odds of getting a no hitter are pretty low. Good job lester, bad news for the rest of the AL EAST. if he is on fire...with Dice and Beckett pitching the way they are..its going to be a long season for the other teams in there.[/QUOTE]

The Mets are looking more and more like a .500 team. They are so inconsistent it is crazy. I get so frustrated watching them. And Willie is an idiot for the comments he has made as of late.

On another note, hopefully Piazza goes into the Hall as a Met.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Come on. Outside of the Giles for Bay trade, when have the owners actually tried to keep anyone? You have to spend money to make money, and they seem fine with not doing that. They aren't quite on the Donald Sterling level, but they make odd decisions.

We can continue this in the MLB thread if you want.[/quote]

They've openly came out and said they couldn't afford Aramis Ramirez, Giles, etc.. I can only believe what they've told us.. Unless they open the books and show the public how much they are spending, there is no way to determine how much money they are losing or pocketing...the salary cap would expose this and either force them to pony up on getting good players or force them to sell the team to some one who will spend the money
 
[quote name='DJSteel']They've openly came out and said they couldn't afford Aramis Ramirez, Giles, etc.. I can only believe what they've told us.. Unless they open the books and show the public how much they are spending, there is no way to determine how much money they are losing or pocketing...the salary cap would expose this and either force them to pony up on getting good players or force them to sell the team to some one who will spend the money[/QUOTE]

They couldn't afford Ramirez and Giles, yet they went out and got Derek Bell, Jeromy Burnitz and Armas Jr. How did those work out?

They traded Kendall to the A's for Redman and Rhodes. Redman played a year and got swapped for two other guys who as far as I can tell haven't played for your club yet. Rhodes didn't at all.

It's not that they can't pay people, it's that they don't want to. Don't get too used to seeing Bay out in your outfield, either. Unless Nutting is a much better owner than McClatchy
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']They couldn't afford Ramirez and Giles, yet they went out and got Derek Bell, Jeromy Burnitz and Armas Jr. How did those work out?

They traded Kendall to the A's for Redman and Rhodes. Redman played a year and got swapped for two other guys who as far as I can tell haven't played for your club yet. Rhodes didn't at all.

It's not that they can't pay people, it's that they don't want to. Don't get too used to seeing Bay out in your outfield, either. Unless Nutting is a much better owner than McClatchy[/quote]


News flash.. Nutting has always been the majority owner.. McClatchy was just the puppet.. I've never said that they were amazing with their pick ups.. they have been horrible with most of their pick ups.. problem is 97% of the teams in the MLB could not afford the rosters of the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, or Cubs..

my problem with MLB is that if this was the Yanks or the Red Sox.. it would be a big deal.. but because you see teams like the Pirates, Royals, Toronto, etc that can't compete in this day and age.. Also no rookie salary cap hurts the MLB draft because teams can't afford to take the best overall player if they can't afford him..
 
[quote name='DJSteel']News flash.. Nutting has always been the majority owner.. McClatchy was just the puppet.. I've never said that they were amazing with their pick ups.. they have been horrible with most of their pick ups.. problem is 97% of the teams in the MLB could not afford the rosters of the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, or Cubs..

my problem with MLB is that if this was the Yanks or the Red Sox.. it would be a big deal.. but because you see teams like the Pirates, Royals, Toronto, etc that can't compete in this day and age.. Also no rookie salary cap hurts the MLB draft because teams can't afford to take the best overall player if they can't afford him..[/QUOTE]

This says differently. If you aren't privy to the books, I don't see how you can be privy to who really does what in the front office.

Minnesota competes. Florida competes. Toronto has competed. Tampa is competing. All small-market teams with smaller payrolls. Toronto is spending almost double what the Pirates are. Florida and TB are spending less, and are leading their divisions (TB was last week, anyways). Tampa has the 4th best record in the majors. Florida, 6th. (These are all 2007 numbers - and I guess Toronto is an edit out)

In 2006, Pittsburgh was third in baseball in income. Not third last, but third.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']This says differently. If you aren't privy to the books, I don't see how you can be privy to who really does what in the front office.

Minnesota competes. Florida competes. Toronto has competed. Tampa is competing. All small-market teams with smaller payrolls. Toronto is spending almost double what the Pirates are. Florida and TB are spending less, and are leading their divisions (TB was last week, anyways). Tampa has the 4th best record in the majors. Florida, 6th. (These are all 2007 numbers - and I guess Toronto is an edit out)

In 2006, Pittsburgh was third in baseball in income. Not third last, but third.[/quote]

It's too early in the season to talk about this year.. we'll see what happens after the all-star break...

TB was in dead last since their existence.. This year they might have finally caught lightning in a bottle.. that is the only way these smaller teams can do it.


Believe me, I know that the Pirates.. Nutting was alway the majority owner, McClatchey never had any controlling factor with the team, no matter what the papers say... I agree that teams might take the extra revenue and pocket it. the Salary Cap would fix this as well since you have to spend a certain amount as well.. so teams couldn't pocket the money.. it really shows the futility in baseball and if you aren't in the major cities.. you have little to no shot...
 
[quote name='DJSteel']News flash.. Nutting has always been the majority owner.. McClatchy was just the puppet.. I've never said that they were amazing with their pick ups.. they have been horrible with most of their pick ups.. problem is 97% of the teams in the MLB could not afford the rosters of the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, or Cubs..

my problem with MLB is that if this was the Yanks or the Red Sox.. it would be a big deal.. but because you see teams like the Pirates, Royals, Toronto, etc that can't compete in this day and age.. Also no rookie salary cap hurts the MLB draft because teams can't afford to take the best overall player if they can't afford him..[/quote]

I have a problem with this line of thinking. I admit that signability becomes an issue for players that are on the bubble of signing out of college and with later rounds picks, but it shouldn't matter in the 1st round.

Tampa, Florida, Minnesota, and Milwaukee have all taken high upside guys and given out large bonuses. Even the David Glass owned Kansas City Royals took Alex Gordon in the top 5.

Pittsburgh is at a disadvantage in free agency when compared to larger markets. It doesn't mean they need to be taking Bryan Bullington with the 1st overall pick.
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']I have a problem with this line of thinking. I admit that signability becomes an issue for players that are on the bubble of signing out of college and with later rounds picks, but it shouldn't matter in the 1st round.

Tampa, Florida, Minnesota, and Milwaukee have all taken high upside guys and given out large bonuses. Even the David Glass owned Kansas City Royals took Alex Gordon in the top 5.

Pittsburgh is at a disadvantage in free agency when compared to larger markets. It doesn't mean they need to be taking Bryan Bullington with the 1st overall pick.[/quote]


I agree... their draft pick have been horrible.. but do you think Alex Gordon will stay with the Royals? realistically?
 
[quote name='DJSteel']I agree... their draft pick have been horrible.. but do you think Alex Gordon will stay with the Royals? realistically?[/quote]


5 or so years ago I would have said no way. They brought in a young theo epstein clone of a GM (He worked under theo for the redsox for awhile). They aggressively went after gil meche, and pretty much set the price range that offseason for at the time mediocre pitcher. I don't think alex gordon will stay there his entire career, but I can see them working out an extension at some point.

I still feel the small market team excuse is bullshit...bad management creates horrible teams, look at the yanks right now. The marlins have won 2 ws..blown up there teams, had great scouting in plucking prospects for higher priced veterans and have done well at being in contension every couple of season. The bluejays came in 2nd place a couple years back and injuries have haunted them from being serious contenders in the AL east.

Small market teams are fighting with a hand tied behind there back, but poor management or shitty ownership that won't reinvest the revenue sharing into there own team are the reasons to blame the poor performance, not being a small market. The NE patriots were one of the lowest revenue earing team around the time kraft bought the team. Within a couple of years they are one of the top revenue earing teams. It isn't like football was a big sport here in new england before the string of superbowls. Compared to the southern regions of the country, NE doesn't give two shits about football.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']5 or so years ago I would have said no way. They brought in a young theo epstein clone of a GM (He worked under theo for the redsox for awhile). They aggressively went after gil meche, and pretty much set the price range that offseason for at the time mediocre pitcher. I don't think alex gordon will stay there his entire career, but I can see them working out an extension at some point.

I still feel the small market team excuse is bullshit...bad management creates horrible teams, look at the yanks right now. The marlins have won 2 ws..blown up there teams, had great scouting in plucking prospects for higher priced veterans and have done well at being in contension every couple of season. The bluejays came in 2nd place a couple years back and injuries have haunted them from being serious contenders in the AL east.

Small market teams are fighting with a hand tied behind there back, but poor management or shitty ownership that won't reinvest the revenue sharing into there own team are the reasons to blame the poor performance, not being a small market. The NE patriots were one of the lowest revenue earing team around the time kraft bought the team. Within a couple of years they are one of the top revenue earing teams. It isn't like football was a big sport here in new england before the string of superbowls. Compared to the southern regions of the country, NE doesn't give two shits about football.[/quote]

The salary cap is what saved the Pats..not just the new owners.. No one will ever buy the Pirates from the Nuttings.. they make too much profit to sell them and sadly they've forced me never to buy tickets for Pirates games again because they promised the city a competitive team and they have yet to deliver.. I wish MLB would step up and force them to do something, like the NBA did with the Hawks...


there are kids that are getting their license right now that have never seen the Pirates have a winning season...
 
[quote name='ryanbph']5 or so years ago I would have said no way. They brought in a young theo epstein clone of a GM (He worked under theo for the redsox for awhile). They aggressively went after gil meche, and pretty much set the price range that offseason for at the time mediocre pitcher. I don't think alex gordon will stay there his entire career, but I can see them working out an extension at some point.

I still feel the small market team excuse is bullshit...bad management creates horrible teams, look at the yanks right now. The marlins have won 2 ws..blown up there teams, had great scouting in plucking prospects for higher priced veterans and have done well at being in contension every couple of season. The bluejays came in 2nd place a couple years back and injuries have haunted them from being serious contenders in the AL east.

Small market teams are fighting with a hand tied behind there back, but poor management or shitty ownership that won't reinvest the revenue sharing into there own team are the reasons to blame the poor performance, not being a small market. The NE patriots were one of the lowest revenue earing team around the time kraft bought the team. Within a couple of years they are one of the top revenue earing teams. It isn't like football was a big sport here in new england before the string of superbowls. Compared to the southern regions of the country, NE doesn't give two shits about football.[/QUOTE]

I don't know who the former GM was, but the current GM is a disciple of John Schuerholtz, and it looks like things might be getting back to respectability, at least on a slight increase.
 
my mistake...I was thinking of a different GM (arizona dbck byrnes)...but I did know that he was trained well under some GM..
 
[quote name='DJSteel']The salary cap is what saved the Pats..not just the new owners..[/QUOTE]
No, it was solely Robert Kraft. He could've simply bought a contending team if not for the cap, the man is made of money. He overpaid for Foxboro Stadium in order to leverage the sale of the team to him, then in 94 he bought the Patriots for the highest amount of money ever paid for any professional team at that time, to keep them from moving to St. Louis. Keep in mind that the franchise had no value, they didn't own their stadium (Kraft already did) and they were a laughingstock. People thought he was insane, but Kraft was a season ticket holder since 72, and didn't care about the money. He even built Gillette Stadium completely out of his own pocket, no public money.

The team literally would not be here without Kraft.
 
I believe their needs to be some type of salary cap in MLB. One that puts a max and also a minimum amount a team must spend.

Small-market teams will be competitive (A's,Twins,Marlins) but will they win the WS? Realistically, no. Excluding the Marlins 97/03 wins take a look at the past WS winners.

2007Red Sox96-66$143,026,214
2006Cardinals83-78$88,891,371
2005White Sox99-63$75,178,000
2004Red Sox98-64$127,298,500
2003Marlins91-71$48,750,000
2002Angels99-63$61,721,667
2001Diamondbacks92-70$85,247,999
2000Yankees87-74$92,938,260
1999Yankees98-64$88,130,709

The Marlins were the only team under 50 Mil. You need to spend money in MLB to become a WS contender, hell look at the Marlins payroll of 22,650,000, will they win the WS? I highly doubt it, but they'll have fun 'contending'.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']No, it was solely Robert Kraft. He could've simply bought a contending team if not for the cap, the man is made of money. He overpaid for Foxboro Stadium in order to leverage the sale of the team to him, then in 94 he bought the Patriots for the highest amount of money ever paid for any professional team at that time, to keep them from moving to St. Louis. Keep in mind that the franchise had no value, they didn't own their stadium (Kraft already did) and they were a laughingstock. People thought he was insane, but Kraft was a season ticket holder since 72, and didn't care about the money. He even built Gillette Stadium completely out of his own pocket, no public money.

The team literally would not be here without Kraft.[/quote]


that is part of it.. but I contend that he wouldn't be an owner now let alone win Super Bowls if the NFL didn't incorporate some sort of salary cap to stabilize team spending before it got out of control..
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I believe their needs to be some type of salary cap in MLB. One that puts a max and also a minimum amount a team must spend.

Small-market teams will be competitive (A's,Twins,Marlins) but will they win the WS? Realistically, no. Excluding the Marlins 97/03 wins take a look at the past WS winners.

2007Red Sox96-66$143,026,214
2006Cardinals83-78$88,891,371
2005White Sox99-63$75,178,000
2004Red Sox98-64$127,298,500
2003Marlins91-71$48,750,000
2002Angels99-63$61,721,667
2001Diamondbacks92-70$85,247,999
2000Yankees87-74$92,938,260
1999Yankees98-64$88,130,709

The Marlins were the only team under 50 Mil. You need to spend money in MLB to become a WS contender, hell look at the Marlins payroll of 22,650,000, will they win the WS? I highly doubt it, but they'll have fun 'contending'.[/quote]


a lot of the small market teams make singular runs... 'lightning in a bottle' type runs, then disappear..
 
IMO if you aren't spending in the 80 to 90 mill range and your team is horrible, you have no one to blame but yourself for having a bad team. There will always be exceptions...but for 25 players, 85mill is not a lot of money in todays MLB salary market.

As for you list PH, where are those teams compared to the rest of the league. I know the yanks have always been higher then the sox, but I thought in 06 we lost the #2 spot...and the angels, mets and tigers have all either moved ahead of the sox this year or are very close.
 
I agree ryan, that is why salary caps work... it makes more sense and spreads out the superstars instead of them being on 8-10 teams..
 
I am a huge supporter of the salary cap, but the players union in baseball is way to strong to get something resembling salary regulations (high and low) into place. Nothing against small market or horrible teams, the one major drawback to salary cap/basements is that parity in the league takes place.

When that happens, you will no longer see any major blockbusters at the deadline as everyone may consider themselves in the contention. Shit it happens now with the Wild Card giving more teams a shot. You had the entire NL west in contention for 1st place last year, there were a shitload of teams in the running at the trade deadline for the wildcard...I really don't know how they can fix that or if it even needs fixing. I like the trade talk/speculation at the deadline though. Maybe if they moved the deadline back 30 days, to allow for more teams to fall out of the race.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']that is part of it.. but I contend that he wouldn't be an owner now let alone win Super Bowls if the NFL didn't incorporate some sort of salary cap to stabilize team spending before it got out of control..[/QUOTE]
He purchased the team before the cap came into play, but he did not assume control until the offseason before the cap.

Kraft would be a big spender, right there with the Redskins and Cowboys. He's probably very happy theres a salary cap, I don't think we're valuing his franchise in the billions without it, but he'd be a top 5 spender and still make money like the Red Sox do without it. You can't not make money in a TV market this large.

There are franchises in the league today that wouldn't exist without the cap, like Green Bay.
 
That's why I rank Baseball 3rd among the Top 3.

Football's salary cap is also great because a team can turn around from horrible to great (Browns) or great to horrible (Bears)

Salary Cap's probably won't happen in Baseball.

Ryan, I didn't find anything for team payrolls per year, i'll check.
 
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