The Christine O'Donnell Thread

[quote name='Knoell']I am not for or against her, but I believe she was saying that we encourage people to change their lifestyle when they have heart disease and some people do, but the government doesn't spend money to encourage "kind of (but not really) heart friendly cheeseburgers" while it does spend money to encourage "surrre continue to engage in sexual activity, just try to use protection".[/QUOTE]

That's not the message at all.

I know you were likely home-schooled by some fundie cult, but that doesn't give you license to make up lies about what schools teach to fit your political agenda.
 
[quote name='camoor']You really think so?

Curing more heart disease would cost pennies on the dollar - all you'd have to do would be to post the calories on McD's menu. 'Course then you're going to get the tea party all riled up (all those fat ignorant slobs screaming about socialism getting up in their favorite fatburger chain)

Full circle man.[/QUOTE]
I honestly doubt that having the calories posted on MickeyD's menu is going to change eating habits in any large way. People don't go there because they're unaware of how unhealthy it is.

Her saying that condoms somehow increase the transmission of HIV is pants on head crazy.
 
[quote name='camoor']That's not the message at all.

I know you were likely home-schooled by some fundie cult, but that doesn't give you license to make up lies about what schools teach to fit your political agenda.[/QUOTE]
I think this is a "It takes one to know one" kind of stuation.
 
As far as a "change in lifestyle" in regards to HIV/AIDS goes, sexual transmission is not the only way HIV is contracted. The government has done a lot as far as drug prevention and clean needle programs are concerned.

And really, teaching safe sex falls under this heading as well. It's not encouraging people to have sex. It's encouraging people to use protection if/when they do. If anything, abstinence only education is far more detrimental to the prevention of HIV as it doesn't give the information necessary for people to keep themselves safe.

[quote name='Clak']I honestly doubt that having the calories posted on MickeyD's menu is going to change eating habits in any large way. People don't go there because they're unaware of how unhealthy it is.[/quote]

And anyways, McDonald's has had calorie information available for quite a while. I haven't been in a McDonald's in years, but I know they used to have a sign on the wall with the breakdown of calories, but you can also get nutritional information right on their website. How much more of a responsibility does McDonald's have to make the information available? Need to have the person at the cash register tell you how many calories your order adds up to?

Her saying that condoms somehow increase the transmission of HIV is pants on head crazy.

Sounds like the sort of message that's been spread in Africa...
 
I do wonder about the intelligence of this country some times. Part of me thinks it is the responsibility of the restaurant to tell people about what they're eating, yet at the same time, does it really need to be said that a Big Mac isn't healthy?

If you're actually keeping a calorie count and everything I can see it as being helpful, but otherwise I don't really see the point.
 
People may "know" that most of fat dons menu is bad news, but that doesn't mean they fully think it through.

I just ask they put calories on the menu - and already I'm getting one clown advocating that burying this data in the site is McD's way of going above and beyond the call of duty. You can't win with the far right.
 
[quote name='camoor']Don't even know what you mean here.[/QUOTE]
It takes crazy to know crazy? He knows her well because they're both of the same mind?
 
McDonalds does post their nutritional information. It's somewhere but it's not hidden.

As for schools teaching that condom use will save you from HIV, my school didn't teach that at all. We were taught about anatomy, STDs, pregnancy, and a small five second blurb about putting condoms on. That was it.
 
It's amazing how squeamish we get about sex. We can discuss anatomy and the entire reproductive system, but as soon as it comes to talking about the act, we clam up.
 
“American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains.” —Christine O’Donnell on the O'Reilly show in 2007

Dude, she says idiotic stuff like this constantly. I've been there. I've seen it in person! I've been at the candidate forums and walked in the parades!
 
"People are created in God's image. Homosexuality is an identity adopted through societal factors. It's an identity disorder," she told Wilmington News Journal reporter Victor Greto. Greto paraphrased the comments in a 2006 profile of O'Donnell, but he provided the exact quote from his notes to ABC News.
 
[quote name='Admiral Ackbar']“American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains.” —Christine O’Donnell on the O'Reilly show in 2007

Dude, she says idiotic stuff like this constantly. I've been there. I've seen it in person! I've been at the candidate forums and walked in the parades![/QUOTE]

Dude, you're fucking batshit. Christine is absolutely right about this one:

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[quote name='IRHari']Dude, you're fucking batshit. Christine is absolutely right about this one:

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Fixed.

I'll give an example to show the problem with Christine. I was at a candidate forum in 2008 at Delaware Park. It was hosted by a local doctors association and all the big candidates were there. Mike Castle, Bill Lee, Hartly, etc. There were approximately 50-70people in attendance

Christine was a realtive unknown to people outside republican circles. I had been around her long enough to sense there was something wrong with her, but I was still giving her the benefit of the doubt back then. Most of the people had never heard of her and were highly educated doctors and medical personel. I was sitting at a round table with six other people, all doctors.

So Christine comes up, and you've seen her in news clips. She young, attractive, a pleasant speaker, and when she has prepared remarks, she can be convincing. She gives a prepared speech for four minutes, and it's pretty good. All of a sudden, there's a buzz in the room, because there had been stories about her before. People weren't expecting such an articulate and professional speech. A doctor sitting next to me was mightily impressed.

So then comes the first question from the audience. "Mrs. O'Donell. What is your opinion of the surge? Do you support it and do you support the Iraq war."

She pauses for a second and then says something that I will remember for the rest of my life.

"Well, the real reason we're in Iraq is because of Iran. Iran is full of people that hate America. What we need to do is shift our focus from Iraq to Iran and go in there and take those people out."

The room gasped. Peoples jaws dropped. Every single person sitting at my table was stunned. I had seen things like that in audio and video clips but I had never actually been in the room for anything like that in person in my political life. The doctor sitting on left who was initially impressed looked like he just ate something foul.

She has an outward persona as increadibly nice and sincere. That gives people a great first impression. But behind closed doors, as you get to know her more and she drops that persona, she begins to act more erratic and emotionally unstable. She sees conspiracies everywhere. Just because you're a pleasant and sincere does not mean you're a fit person. There are a few nice and sincere people who also keep 60 cats in their house. She will tell anyone anything they want to hear and when caught in the lie she will find some way to rationalize it. Oh, I was young. Oh, my position changed. Oh, everyone does that. Oh, it was a mistake. Over and over and over. And then, when you finally confront her about all those lies, she accuses you of being one of "those" people that were against her fron the start and working to bring her down from the inside.

Yet people around the country, who don't know her at all, just know she's the Tea Party candidate and she unseated that liberal Mike Castle, have sent her 2 million dollars.
 
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[quote name='camoor']O'Donnell says she dabbled in witchcraft, but she's really talking about Satanic stuff.[/QUOTE]

this just makes her more hawt.. A witch will be down for whatever.
 
A midnight rendezvous on a blood soaked altar. What else did she do?

We all know it's our screw ups that shape who we become as an adult. She must've screwed around alot to believe the crap she does.
 
[quote name='depascal22']A midnight rendezvous on a blood soaked altar. What else did she do?

We all know it's our screw ups that shape who we become as an adult. She must've screwed around alot to believe the crap she does.[/QUOTE]

And Obama tried coke and pot in high school, what does that tell you about him? Or does this past thing not apply to him, it was just him experimenting as a kid I assume?

consistency, consistency, consistency.
 
[quote name='Knoell']And Obama tried coke and pot in high school, what does that tell you about him? Or does this past thing not apply to him, it was just him experimenting as a kid I assume?

consistency, consistency, consistency.
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Yes, because when Obama admitted to drug use, the Republicans said, "So, he tried it. He rejected it. And he learned from it."
 
Monday night, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly seemed to unload what some might perceive as a similar threat, saying:

"I'm trying to be fair to Christine O'Donnell. She's been on the program a couple of times, and we have some kind of crazy stuff that she said. We're not going to play it yet. I don't think it's relevant -- yet. We still like Ms. O'Donnell to come on the 'Factor.' I'm not in the business of injuring her. I'd like to see if she's the better candidate."
 
[quote name='Knoell']And Obama tried coke and pot in high school, what does that tell you about him? Or does this past thing not apply to him, it was just him experimenting as a kid I assume?

consistency, consistency, consistency.
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I just think it's funny that your people keep hooting an hollering about how America is a Christian nation and yet one of your heroes used to be a satanist. I mean, you gotta admit, that's one of the better punchlines to come out of this ridiculous teaparty movement.
 
[quote name='Admiral Ackbar']"I'm trying to be fair to Christine O'Donnell. She's been on the program a couple of times, and we have some kind of crazy stuff that she said. We're not going to play it yet. I don't think it's relevant -- yet. We still like Ms. O'Donnell to come on the 'Factor.' I'm not in the business of injuring her. I'd like to see if she's the better candidate."[/QUOTE]

Not to turn this into a FOX News bashing thread (sincerely, I don't want to do that), but I think it's safe to point out that *nobody* would believe he'd reserve that kind of judgment for any candidate from the Democrat party.

It's pretty telling that someone so unqualified, so inconsistent, and so certifiably insane would be treated as a "the jury is still out on them" because they're on the right. A nutjob like her is treated with kid gloves, yet Noam Chomsky can't get airtime to save his life? What a wonderful, super liberal, media. :roll:
 
It is so frustrating that the result of "Let's throw the bums out" means "Let's put a bunch of morons in"
 
[quote name='usickenme']It is so frustrating that the result of "Let's throw the bums out" means "Let's put a bunch of morons in"[/QUOTE]

Honestly who wants to be in public office. It's not like the public appreciates sincere public servants.
 
[quote name='Knoell']And Obama tried coke and pot in high school, what does that tell you about him? Or does this past thing not apply to him, it was just him experimenting as a kid I assume?

consistency, consistency, consistency.
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Witchcraft doesn't equal pot and coke use.

One seeks to commune with spirits and bring demons onto this plane. The other wants to chill with friends and eat Cheetos.

Let's not pretend there aren't degrees of severity for anything you do. Experimenting with sex, drugs, and rock & roll happens to every high school student in this country. Are you saying that witchcraft is just as acceptable and that it's perfectly natural to creep off into the woods and sacrifice small animals while debating the merits of Aleister Crowley's Sex Magick?
 
[quote name='depascal22']Witchcraft doesn't equal pot and coke use.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the former = burning candles & chanting spells, while the latter could get you kicked out of school and landed in jail and/or rehab. Amazing you'd actually attempt to argue that Wicca/witchcraft is somehow equivalent to or worse than illegal drug use because it better suits your politician of choice. A *ton* of people who "experiment" with illegal drugs get hooked and end up stealing, doing hard time, or getting the boot from school. How does that ratio play out with witchcraft? lol.
 
[quote name='depascal22']One seeks to commune with spirits and bring demons onto this plane. The other wants to chill with friends and eat Cheetos.
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I wish to live in an america where these two activities are not mutually exclusive.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Amazing you'd actually attempt to argue that Wicca/witchcraft is somehow equivalent to or worse than illegal drug use because it better suits your politician of choice. A *ton* of people who "experiment" with illegal drugs get hooked and end up stealing, doing hard time, or getting the boot from school. How does that ratio play out with witchcraft? lol.[/QUOTE]

Nah brah, I didn't make a big fuss when we found out Bush did a shitload of blow. Don't worry I'm consistent.

[quote name='Admiral Ackbar'] Monday night, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly seemed to unload what some might perceive as a similar threat, saying:

"I'm trying to be fair to Christine O'Donnell. She's been on the program a couple of times, and we have some kind of crazy stuff that she said. We're not going to play it yet. I don't think it's relevant -- yet. We still like Ms. O'Donnell to come on the 'Factor.' I'm not in the business of injuring her. I'd like to see if she's the better candidate."[/QUOTE]

I wonder which might legally qualify as blackmail, Bill Maher's threat or O'Reilly's threat.

[quote name='mykevermin']It's pretty telling that someone so unqualified, so inconsistent, and so certifiably insane would be treated as a "the jury is still out on them" because they're on the right. A nutjob like her is treated with kid gloves, yet Noam Chomsky can't get airtime to save his life? What a wonderful, super liberal, media. :roll:[/QUOTE]

To be fair, and I don't think this is really in dispute, Chomsky is boring as fuck.

Maybe it has to do with Chomsky's criticism of Israel. For the life of me I can't think of any outspoken critic of Israel that is given a significant amount of time on TV.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Witchcraft doesn't equal pot and coke use.

One seeks to commune with spirits and bring demons onto this plane. The other wants to chill with friends and eat Cheetos.

Let's not pretend there aren't degrees of severity for anything you do. Experimenting with sex, drugs, and rock & roll happens to every high school student in this country. Are you saying that witchcraft is just as acceptable and that it's perfectly natural to creep off into the woods and sacrifice small animals while debating the merits of Aleister Crowley's Sex Magick?[/QUOTE]

Eh. On Sundays Christians proudly march off to church to celebrate human sacrifice and simulate ritual cannibalism with tasty crackers all the while invoking a magical spirit being. What's a few woodland creatures in comparison? ;)
 
[quote name='depascal22']Witchcraft doesn't equal pot and coke use.

One seeks to commune with spirits and bring demons onto this plane. The other wants to chill with friends and eat Cheetos.

Let's not pretend there aren't degrees of severity for anything you do. Experimenting with sex, drugs, and rock & roll happens to every high school student in this country. Are you saying that witchcraft is just as acceptable and that it's perfectly natural to creep off into the woods and sacrifice small animals while debating the merits of Aleister Crowley's Sex Magick?[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I don't really care about either. In both cases, these are things that happened at least two decades ago. I think the tendency of one party to delve into the opposite party's candidate's past and dig up whatever they can is fairly ridiculous. We want politicians who can relate to us and who we can relate to, yet we want these examples of perfection that have never made any mistakes in their lives. We all make mistakes as we grow up. This is going to get even more ridiculous in 20-30 years when we have people running for political office that have had Twitters, Facebook accounts, and other various internet writings in their teens to be gone over with a fine-tooth comb.

In the case of O'Donnell, I mostly find the witchcraft thing amusing. But really, there seem to be a lot better, recent reasons to be weary of her than a comment she made over a decade ago.
 
[quote name='Cantatus']Honestly, I don't really care about either. In both cases, these are things that happened at least two decades ago. I think the tendency of one party to delve into the opposite party's candidate's past and dig up whatever they can is fairly ridiculous. We want politicians who can relate to us, yet we want these examples of perfection that have never made any mistakes in their lives. We all make mistakes as we grow up. This is going to get even more ridiculous in 20-30 years when we have people running for political office that have had Twitters, Facebook accounts, and other various internet writings in their teens to be gone over with a fine-tooth comb.

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Agreed, we are already seeing it with e-mail.

[quote name='camoor']I just think it's funny that your people keep hooting an hollering about how America is a Christian nation and yet one of your heroes used to be a satanist. I mean, you gotta admit, that's one of the better punchlines to come out of this ridiculous teaparty movement. [/QUOTE]

I was going to make another ridiculous remark about the presidents past, but I decided to respect the office, and not make the same ridiculous remarks you are, even if mine would have been sarcastic.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Witchcraft doesn't equal pot and coke use.

One seeks to commune with spirits and bring demons onto this plane. [...] Are you saying that witchcraft is just as acceptable and that it's perfectly natural to creep off into the woods and sacrifice small animals while debating the merits of Aleister Crowley's Sex Magick?[/QUOTE]

Wow.

WOW.

I mean, really. As much as depascal has preached and preached in the Mosque threads about religious tolerance and understanding.

Then, he posts this?
If this is what you truly believe "witchcraft" is, then... wow.

This is about as awesome as "muslim=terrorist".
 
[quote name='Knoell']I was going to make another ridiculous remark about the presidents past, but I decided to respect the office, and not make the same ridiculous remarks you are, even if mine would have been sarcastic.[/QUOTE]

If you think the president is worthy of criticism for present or past deeds, by all means state your case. USA is not a monarchy or dictatorship.

[quote name='UncleBob']Wow.

WOW.

I mean, really. As much as depascal has preached and preached in the Mosque threads about religious tolerance and understanding.

Then, he posts this?
If this is what you truly believe "witchcraft" is, then... wow.

This is about as awesome as "muslim=terrorist".[/QUOTE]

O'Donell did say she had dinner on a satanic altar that was stained with blood. To put it in context that you would understand, this isn't the 'an it harm none' variety of witchcraft - it's the kind with the flying monkeys that will get your little dog too.
 
I heard on Fox & Friends this morning that you should vote for her based on how she stands on the issues.

So when those guys talked about Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers & stuff? THey were just faking that, you should have just voted for Obama based on the issues and that side stuff wasn't as important.
 
I don't care if a candidate had been arrested on public bestiality charges in the past. I don't care if they spent 5 years looking for the arctic polar opening to the hollow earth. I don't care if there are pictures of them picketing HAARP as a government weather control device. I don't even care if they were just released from a mental institution a year ago-

If the candidate runs on the promises of never voting for any more stimulus packages and voting down any type of legislation that grants the government more control and power - AND the other candidate does not (As is the case here), they very likely get my vote.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's FOX. Scary white lady's religion ≠ scary black man's religion.[/QUOTE]

Bill Ayers is a religion?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']It's telling when our country is in such a situation where promising to do those things is the most important qualification a candidate must have.[/QUOTE]

Since you disagree with the stimulus, how are you going to handle candidates who promise to cut taxes? Will you vote for them? If so, you'd be going back on your word that you'd only vote for candidates who don't support stimulus policies.
 
I would like to offer kudos to Admiral Ackbar for his very intelligent posts here in this thread. He elevated the discourse for sure.

And now I'm going to take it back down a notch.

1. I don't give a flying poo if she practiced witchcraft or not. She was a kid. Nobody has their act together as a kid. And the ones that do scare me. O'Donnell practiced witchcraft. Obama snorted coke. So did Bush, and he drank like a fish until he was 40. Clinton didn't inhale. Reagan did cigarette ads. Gerry Ford played football without a helmet. Eisenhower once looked a girl's legs. Lincoln was scared to carry a pocket knife on him for fear of him using it on himself (that's actually true BTW). Big whoop. Everyone gets to screw up their early years. That's okay because life doesn't really begin until you're 30 for most normal people anyway.

2. The reason Sarah Palin likes Christine O'Donnell so much is she reminders her of her youngest child and yea I went there. Okay, that was rude and really I should point out she's more like Bristol: spacey and airheaded and acting like she knows stuff when she doesn't. It's kinda cute. And the witch from Wasilla and her slutty, shitty dancer of a daughter Bristol get away with all their lies and hypocrisy but FAMILY IS OFF LIMITS! Well it is now. It wasn't when the Republican party attacked Chelsey Clinton and Amy Carter for being ugly (which they are, don't get me wrong. Trick or treat over the phone those two do). So Sarah can go on bitching about sex education and meanwhile there is her easy-open daughter getting pregnant out of wedlock (like it says not to in the bible) and spreading her legs like a cheap whore to the first guy she meets and then if anyone points out that her policies failed her firsthand as she was touting them, she says "That's a foul, family is off limits." No, no it's not. Family officially entered the limits when Rush Limbaugh called Chelsey Clinton the white house dog (this is before they Clintons had Buddy) and his audience hooted with glee and praise for his wit and candor.

The scary thing about O'Donnell isn't that she could win... it's what the nutjobs will do when she loses. Christine O'Donnell thinks she is so above the law that I could see her saying that her loss wasn't really a loss, that she in fact got the most votes and that the Obama secret Muslim government had stolen the election and made the 20% of votes she lost by magically disappear, then issue a call to arms. An actual "I lost, someone should shoot the president and Mike Castle and all the democrats plus the liberals on the Supreme Court because the socialists in the government have made it so we can't win a fair election. And since we can't win the election fair and square like we're entitled to thanks to the rigging, we need to take our country back... by force." And her followers will believe her because that's what makes them her followers.

Until now I think most of the extremely stupid people who have managed to get supported by the Republican party at least fundamentally get it when they lose. In 2008, Sarah Palin had to be basically muzzled from not going on camera to announce they were contesting the election. Dan Quail couldn't spell "potato" but I'm sure he knew that getting fewer votes then his opponents meant he lost. According to John McCain's staff (that's John McCain... as in the guy who she was running with) Palin thought that they just needed to appeal the results, like George W. Bush did or something, even as the landslide was building. She thought it didn't matter and they would get in office anyway. She wanted to speak out in defiance of the actual results. This is delusional lunacy not seen from a major candidate since Horace Greeley in 1872.

O'Donnell is even worse about saying stupid things then Palin, and there's no John McCain or his staff of smart people to stop her from talking on election night. I really, truly believe she'll publicly call for Obama's assassination, because it just totally fits the character she has presented herself as. She not only thinks political victory is her birth right, but she thinks the rules don't apply to her. Change that actually, I don't think she even knows what the rules are. That would require some reading, and she's not one of those book learnin' types.

She also doesn't seem to understand the concept that not everyone is as hateful or racist as she is. "Obama is a secret Muslim." Actually I think Obama is a secret atheist, which is why I voted for him. His mother was an atheist and his grandparents that raised him "had no use for religion". It's telling how he describes them. But the teabaggers like it to be "Good guys vs. Bad guys" because that's that's about as complicated a situation as they can grasp. I promise you dollars to donuts that 99% of all teabaggers have no clue what a Shiite Muslim is or what a mosque really is. They just know that Christians are the good guys and Muslims are the bad guys. So if you say Obama is a secret Muslim, that means he's secretly a bad guy.

That's why the whole witchcraft thing makes me laugh. If you're a Christian, then fundamental to the core of your beliefs should be one ultimate: only God can defy the laws of nature. In other words, witchcraft doesn't exist because only God has power that could be described as magic. So really, you're just dressing stupid and making a mess of a perfectly good alter. I don't see how any Christians could be offended by something so childishly petty. To me, it's a sign of insecurity in their own belief. "God is all powerful... unless you dress like a fool and spill a little blood on a pile of gravel with a pentagram on it... holy shit, he's powerless then!" Oooh, what next, did she use a Ouija Board too? I swear, the time is coming where a political scandal will be someone once passed notes in study hall in the 11th grade. Clearly that, not their stupid policies or total insanity is what disqualifies them from higher office.

If Democrats lose (and they could, by god they could) it's because they focus on the stupid shit like Witchcraft and Masturbation and not on the really important stuff. I don't care if every single one of her policies is 100% right. It looks like even Republican sources agree that she has flagrantly violated election laws by using her donations as her own personal checkbook and she should be removed from office if elected. Rod Blagojevich did less then she has, and Rod did a lot. He was a very bad boy. Delusional, egotistical, arrogant... she's all of that and worse. She's Blago with a twat. That's what the democrats should focus on. "Christine O'Donnell says she's for stomping down dead beats, but she herself is one. She has failed to pay most of her previous staff from her failed 2008 senate bid and instead ordered a double foam extra latte expresso from Starbucks and went bowling." Seriously, another reason I voted for Obama: he shot a 44 in bowling. I'm a bowler. I'm in a league and everything. I wouldn't trust me or any other bowler with power. I see what we're like. Don't vote for the bowler. For god's sake, don't.

I've actively followed politics for my entire adult life and it wasn't until Obama came along that I thought a politician was truly evil. But it's not Obama who I think is evil. It's people like Michelle Bachman or this bitch Christine O'Donnell. There are so many people out there who are irrationally angry and these tea baggers are taking advantage of that in a way that's very scary. But O'Donnell is the first candidate who I think might actually call for an honest-to-god Coup d'état in public. Well she won't call it that. I doubt she even knows what that is. If you ask her I bet she'll say it's one of those things she doesn't pay for with campaign dollars from Starbucks.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Since you disagree with the stimulus, how are you going to handle candidates who promise to cut taxes? Will you vote for them? If so, you'd be going back on your word that you'd only vote for candidates who don't support stimulus policies.[/QUOTE]

Cutting taxes can't happen without cutting spending first. If that's part of a candidates platform then I'm for it.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']
Actually I think Obama is a secret atheist, which is why I voted for him.
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I stopped reading right there.

I can't take anyone's political analysis seriously when they outright admit, or hope, that they knowingly voted for someone that they believe deliberately deceives the voting public, and supports it.

Be proud. You sir, are a true modern progressive.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I stopped reading right there.

I can't take anyone's political analysis seriously when they outright admit, or hope, that they knowingly voted for someone that they believe deliberately deceives the voting public, and supports it.

Be proud. You sir, are a true modern progressive.[/QUOTE]

Let's be more practical about this.

Obama in my opinion lied about something (his religion)
John McCain (and especially his running mate) lied about something (in Palin's case, everything. In McCain's case, issues regarding economic policy and war strategy).

One or the other WAS GOING TO WIN.

I would rather the person I voted for lie about their religion then lie about every single other aspect of their platform, which is basically what Sarah Palin did and continues to do. Hell, I've lied to people about being a Christian simply because it's a good way to avoid an argument with stupid people. Well I think in general most voters are pants-on-head retarded and have no grasp at all of the issues, including the majority of people who voted for Obama. I'm happy his lie is a lie I've also told. In a lot of places, especially very red places (where I live is seriously a liberal dead-zone that practically has segregation established, albeit it on Mexicans instead of blacks) saying you're an atheist is fighting words. Because apparently God is a pussy and can't speak up for himself and he needs rednecks to stand up for him. I get why Obama says he's a Christian, because nobody is going to vote for an atheist.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']I would like to offer kudos to Admiral Ackbar for his very intelligent posts here in this thread. He elevated the discourse for sure.

And now I'm going to take it back down a notch.[/QUOTE]
LOLZ...tell us how you REALLY feel! :D

But it's hard to disagree with your points.:applause:
 
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