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I edited this post to remove the link. While I feel that people need to see reality, I can respect the fact that it is indeed a touchy subject and a direct link is not proper.
 
Has anyone watched this? One of my friends linked me to another site that had it, but I didn't watch it because of conscience. What do people think (other than the obvious)?
 
i did... i am seriously scared for life..... no joke, and im not a very serious person either. look at my past posts. i can't stand fuckers who like seeing that kind of stuff. but for real, this is not for the faint of heart.
 
my gf wanted to see it really bad, shes weird like that (she wants to be an autopsy forensics tech type doctor or whatever they're called)....i just clicked on that link, watched the first 10 seconds....but really couldnt take it any more when they started the sawing....i tried to x out, but the screen didnt close until the head came off....i seriously do not feel good at all right now
 
i dont think i want to see it. its terrible that it happened, but when u start a war, you should expect these kinds of things
 
they think public humiliation of their troops calls for this shit, what about what all there punkasses do to those they capture, i say issue a huge-ass warning and with one more incident, even if it doesnt have this magnitude, pull the troops, strip the land of all the resources and level the fucking land
 
This could be the most disturbing thing I've ever seen. When I heard of the decapitation my mental image of it was that it was quick and clean something like a guillotine. Never did I imagine they'd saw his head off.
 
I'm not going out of my way to watch it so I'll probably never see it unless it pops up somewhere. But unfortunately atrocities like this happen somewhere in the world daily. I've seen executions before, and don't need to see one more.
 
he was just a contractor who went there on his own free will....he was the type of person who just wanted to help the unfortunate....not to be a jerk, but its amazing how people only want to hear the gory parts and not the truth behind it all....after saddam was captured, he thought it was "safe" to go there and help rebuild the radio towers....he went to two other countries before in the past just to help them out of his own free will....he came back from the other two countries with nothing except for the clothes on his back because he was soo nice that he gave everything away....he was very trustworthy and that cost him his life....
 
[quote name='chev317']they think public humiliation of their troops calls for this shit, what about what all there punkasses do to those they capture, i say issue a huge-ass warning and with one more incident, even if it doesnt have this magnitude, pull the troops, strip the land of all the resources and level the shaq-fuing land[/quote]

why not just leave and let them rebuild their lives? whats left of them. ive always been against any kind of war, but going in to iraq and taking over without any plan for the future of the country, and based on the fact that 50% of the people there hate westerners, thats just retarted
 
i refuse to watch it. i watched the "helicopter kills" video, where you can see three men blown apart by heavy machinegun fire. i will not watch this.

now for what will make me hated. we deserved this. no him, he was entirely innocent in this situation, a victim of circumstances. but after the mistreatment of their prisoners, we had to expect retaliation. correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the US pushing for the whole geneva convention thing (i think), banning cruel and unusual punishment? to me this is just an eye for an eye.

i am very upset by this, and i feel sorry for him and his family.
 
its amazing how when we do something stupid like humiliate them, our people arrest us and punish us....but when they kill us and pull this bullshit, their people high five them....

id say this whole thing means war....but the war was supposed to be over a long while ago
 
[quote name='SneakyPenguin']i refuse to watch it. i watched the "helicopter kills" video, where you can see three men blown apart by heavy machinegun fire. i will not watch this.

now for what will make me hated. we deserved this. no him, he was entirely innocent in this situation, a victim of circumstances. but after the mistreatment of their prisoners, we had to expect retaliation. correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the US pushing for the whole geneva convention thing (i think), banning cruel and unusual punishment? to me this is just an eye for an eye.

i am very upset by this, and i feel sorry for him and his family.[/quote]

exactly my thoughts. while its sad, its hard to say something like this is unexpected.
 
i agree with you sneaky penguin...what did we expect?...but still...this is just beyond the limits....but their are no limits in war....these people are animals and we should just blow the whole freaking place up
 
I really wish someone wouldnt have linked that website here.... it is a very hard issue for people to swallow. My stance on the issue is that is is an atrocity to the national demeanor. This proves there is evil in this world, an evil which should not be viewed by anyone. I am warning you, unless your a heartless individual, you will get a bit misty eyed watching this. Also, the audio is awful to listen to...
 
I won't be watching this. I personally don't think we should have seen the first part on TV either. Some things we don't need to know.
 
[quote name='trustcompany1013']i agree with you sneaky penguin...what did we expect?...but still...this is just beyond the limits....but their are no limits in war....these people are animals and we should just blow the whole freaking place up[/quote]

"these people"? Who, arabs? Iraqi's?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/12/iraq.berg/index.html

[quote name='CNN']The United Arab Emirates condemned the beheading as a "heinous crime against the civilized world."

"We are ashamed because these terrorists carried out this revolting and inhumane act in the name of our religion and culture," UAE Information Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan said in a written statement.

"This disgusting brutality can never be justified and has nothing to do with Islam or with our Arab values."

Al-Nahayan also extended the UAE's condolences to Berg's family: "We pray for them to find the courage and strength to deal with their loss."[/quote]

Racism much? Don't take the actions of few and use them as representations for an entire culture.
 
[quote name='SneakyPenguin']i refuse to watch it. i watched the "helicopter kills" video, where you can see three men blown apart by heavy machinegun fire. i will not watch this.

now for what will make me hated. we deserved this. no him, he was entirely innocent in this situation, a victim of circumstances. but after the mistreatment of their prisoners, we had to expect retaliation. correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the US pushing for the whole geneva convention thing (i think), banning cruel and unusual punishment? to me this is just an eye for an eye.

i am very upset by this, and i feel sorry for him and his family.[/quote]
I wouldn't say that the equation is equal on both sides now. This definitely not an eye for an eye. And at this point the Geneva convention is useless seeing how its been violated so many times already. But as some of you said this is what comes of war and it is to be expected.
 
we need to know this...this is real life....its extremely unfortunate....but this is what happens, and it shouldn't be hidden....while you shouldn't be forced to watch....you should have the right to...which you do....this should show you what war brings and what is going on over there and how serious terrorism is....this should also make a big difference on who you vote for
 
Casey or any other MOD, I'd like to request that the link be removed from this site. It's public, but it doesn't have to be listed here. We can discuss it, but I just think that a decapataion doesn't belong here.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='trustcompany1013']i agree with you sneaky penguin...what did we expect?...but still...this is just beyond the limits....but their are no limits in war....these people are animals and we should just blow the whole freaking place up[/quote]

"these people"? Who, arabs? Iraqi's?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/12/iraq.berg/index.html

[quote name='CNN']The United Arab Emirates condemned the beheading as a "heinous crime against the civilized world."

"We are ashamed because these terrorists carried out this revolting and inhumane act in the name of our religion and culture," UAE Information Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan said in a written statement.

"This disgusting brutality can never be justified and has nothing to do with Islam or with our Arab values."

Al-Nahayan also extended the UAE's condolences to Berg's family: "We pray for them to find the courage and strength to deal with their loss."[/quote]

Racism much? Don't take the actions of few and use them as representations for an entire culture.[/quote]

And he also couldve meant the people involved in the beheading... Ever thin kabout that one? Also, numerous Arabs, Iraqis, and Pakistanis I speak to are apauled by this incident. These are people who are angry with the war and have hatred towards the us. But whern something this severe goes out in the open, everyone tends to feel.
 
evil, are you calling me a racist? last time i checked, iraqi wasnt a race...."these people" is what i said....that could mean many different things...as in al qaeda, iraqis, arabs, middle eastern people, etc...dont assume
 
[quote name='BasketCase1080']And he also couldve meant the people involved in the beheading... Ever thin kabout that one? Also, numerous Arabs, Iraqis, and Pakistanis I speak to are apauled by this incident. These are people who are angry with the war and have hatred towards the us. But whern something this severe goes out in the open, everyone tends to feel.[/quote]

Yeah, but if he was only talking about the people in the vid, then what does "we should blow the whole place up" mean? That one bunker?

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If you were referring to iraqi's, arabs, or middle-eastern people...than the accusation of racism stands.
 
I removed the link at the request of several PM's. I feel people should see this, but I agree it's not proper to place a direct link to the video. For those of you that DID watch it, I believe that we can agree that regardless of your stance on the war and prisoner abuse; this is over the line.
 
[quote name='dcfox'][quote name='SneakyPenguin']i refuse to watch it. i watched the "helicopter kills" video, where you can see three men blown apart by heavy machinegun fire. i will not watch this.

now for what will make me hated. we deserved this. no him, he was entirely innocent in this situation, a victim of circumstances. but after the mistreatment of their prisoners, we had to expect retaliation. correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the US pushing for the whole geneva convention thing (i think), banning cruel and unusual punishment? to me this is just an eye for an eye.

i am very upset by this, and i feel sorry for him and his family.[/quote]
I wouldn't say that the equation is equal on both sides now. This definitely not an eye for an eye. And at this point the Geneva convention is useless seeing how its been violated so many times already. But as some of you said this is what comes of war and it is to be expected.[/quote]

It comes not from war, but from terrorism. War may involve the death of innocent civilians yes, but nothing this deliberate. And in no way is it an wyw for an eye. Those prisoners, many of whom probably weren't nice people to begin with, get to see their families again someday, Nick Berg will not. Sure it was a horrible experience, but they are alive and I don't see "an eye for an eye" anywhere.
 
Obviously he meant Iraq, but still having anger towards one action will cause an even greater reaction. I realy think this thread should end soon... people realy dont need to see this vid, and if they want they can look for it themselves. A discussion is fine, but please remove the link.
 
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I edited this post to remove the link. While I feel that people need to see reality, I can respect the fact that it is indeed a touchy subject and a direct link is not proper.
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thanks for removing the link. I know what you were trying to do and I did not mind it, but thanks you for taking it down at the request of fellow CAG'ers. It shows that you care enough about how others feel on this touchy subject to respect their feelings
 
it just got removed, i agree this isnt the place for it either....though there are no rules against it being here....little kids have access to this site and they shouldn't see this
 
[quote name='trustcompany1013']evil, are you calling me a racist? last time i checked, iraqi wasnt a race...."these people" is what i said....that could mean many different things...as in al qaeda, iraqis, arabs, middle eastern people, etc...dont assume[/quote]

you cant honestly say if someone said "all (inset nationallity here) should die" they arnt rasict, can you? while im not calling you a racist, the statment u made was very racist. i understand people say things they dont mean when they're upset, as this has made most everyone, so i dont hold you to your words.
 
hey o have an idea! lets not fight, call me crazy but this is a pretty sensitive subject for some, and i really dont think u should carry that bullshit on in this thread. :) have a nice day
 
when i said eye fr an eye, i never meant it was equal, it is not. i said that more to imply the revenge factor. it had to be expected tha the retaliation would be more extreme. i do not want to know what our retaliation will be.
 
[quote name='iloveqtchickz']The sad thing is, you expect to see these kinds of things in a film. But it is really a wake up call of what we're up against.[/quote]

he nailed it
 
[quote name='iloveqtchickz']The sad thing is, you expect to see these kinds of things in a film. But it is really a wake up call of what we're up against.[/quote]

I cant think of ANY film that shows the blatant decapatation of someone.
 
[quote name='suprsaiyanMAX'][quote name='dcfox'][quote name='SneakyPenguin']i refuse to watch it. i watched the "helicopter kills" video, where you can see three men blown apart by heavy machinegun fire. i will not watch this.

now for what will make me hated. we deserved this. no him, he was entirely innocent in this situation, a victim of circumstances. but after the mistreatment of their prisoners, we had to expect retaliation. correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the US pushing for the whole geneva convention thing (i think), banning cruel and unusual punishment? to me this is just an eye for an eye.

i am very upset by this, and i feel sorry for him and his family.[/quote]
I wouldn't say that the equation is equal on both sides now. This definitely not an eye for an eye. And at this point the Geneva convention is useless seeing how its been violated so many times already. But as some of you said this is what comes of war and it is to be expected.[/quote]

It comes not from war, but from terrorism. War may involve the death of innocent civilians yes, but nothing this deliberate. And in no way is it an wyw for an eye. Those prisoners, many of whom probably weren't nice people to begin with, get to see their families again someday, Nick Berg will not. Sure it was a horrible experience, but they are alive and I don't see "an eye for an eye" anywhere.[/quote]

i agree and disagree with you. while the crimes wernt equal, they were both terrible. this one just effects us more because it hits closer to home. i think its a safe bet that many "pow"s from iraq were just defending their country. can you honestly say if someone invaded america, no one would fight back? of course people would, and not because they hate the people on the other side, because their being threatened.
 
i appreciate you not holding me to my words, punq...but i said "these people"....i said nothing about race, or anyone in particular, i thought everyone would understand that i meant the terrorists....but obviously people on this board would rather think someone is totally negative rather than the slightest bit positive
 
[quote name='BasketCase1080'][quote name='iloveqtchickz']The sad thing is, you expect to see these kinds of things in a film. But it is really a wake up call of what we're up against.[/quote]

I cant think of ANY film that shows the blatant decapatation of someone.[/quote]

as far as a game goes Samurai Showdown features decapitation (body cut in half, but I would say Haohmaru looks decapitated when all you see is a ball of hair fly across the screen)
 
I just saw that when my friend came over from work. Just like punq said, when ur at war u have to expect these things. But i believe no one should deserve a decapitation like this. At first the video didnt disturb me but when I imagine that happening to my family, it hurts.
 
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