The DS and the Next Gameboy.

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A know a lot of people thought E3 would bring a PSP type Gameboy but that didn't happen. So I'm wondering was the DS the new Gameboy but they labeled it differently in case of failure? If the DS is REALLY the 3rd pillar of gaming and the next Gameboy is on its way when will it get here? What do you want to see it offer? Will it use disc based media? Thoughts?
 
Yes it is the third pillar. When need be and the next GB comes out the DS will drop down to where the current GBA is on the product line (the cheaper system on the market) and the more expensive next GB will replace the DS as the high tech handheld. I consider the DS the the next GB 1.5. Its kind of something to hold you over till nintendo can release a system with a ton more power and good battery life. And I assume that when the time comes for a new DS nintendo will release it when the next gen GB seems a little stale and old tech wise. I think its a good idea to have to radically different handhelds come out at different times it brings life to the product line as one systems hype dies down and it brings attention to all of nintendo's products.
 
if it is the third pillar, I dunno how developers are gonna develop for 3 handhelds and 3 consoles. if they don't support all the systems, it's gonna be bye bye last place console/handheld
 
At this point I don't think a PSP calibur Gameboy is coming anytime soon. Nintendo keeps abandoning every new technology and forcefeeding us crap no one wants. The Revolution isn't even going to offer HD support which is beyond pathetic.

I guess if they ever get around to it I'd like the next Gameboy to be exactly like the PSP but more refined. They should get rid of everything extraneous except maybe for the ability to play mp3s (not for an mp3 player but for custom soundtracks with the games). It should be 16x9 and disc-based. There should be a flip top to protect the system when not in use and a better analog stick. I like the button layout of the PSP so that should remain unchanged (although I'm not opposed to 6 face buttons).

All of the downloads from the Revolution of Nintendo's back catalog should be transferrable to a memory card and playable on the go. That feature alone would make it worth my money and I'd be a lot more inclined to actually pay for some of those old games just because they would be portable. Ideally, the system specs should be identical to the Gamecube's and there should be some type of blank disc case that you could put a GCN disc in to play it on the next Gameboy as unlikely as that may be. The battery life should at least be 5-7 hours depending on the game and rechargable.

None of this shit will ever come to be though because Nintendo will probably end up releasing a system with one giant A button and call it the next Gameboy and then tell us that we don't need something with better specs becuase they know that grandma won't be able to play anything else. Brilliant.
 
[quote name='javeryh']At this point I don't think a PSP calibur Gameboy is coming anytime soon. Nintendo keeps abandoning every new technology and forcefeeding us crap no one wants. The Revolution isn't even going to offer HD support which is beyond pathetic.

I guess if they ever get around to it I'd like the next Gameboy to be exactly like the PSP but more refined. They should get rid of everything extraneous except maybe for the ability to play mp3s (not for an mp3 player but for custom soundtracks with the games). It should be 16x9 and disc-based. There should be a flip top to protect the system when not in use and a better analog stick. I like the button layout of the PSP so that should remain unchanged (although I'm not opposed to 6 face buttons).

All of the downloads from the Revolution of Nintendo's back catalog should be transferrable to a memory card and playable on the go. That feature alone would make it worth my money and I'd be a lot more inclined to actually pay for some of those old games just because they would be portable. Ideally, the system specs should be identical to the Gamecube's and there should be some type of blank disc case that you could put a GCN disc in to play it on the next Gameboy as unlikely as that may be. The battery life should at least be 5-7 hours depending on the game and rechargable.

None of this shit will ever come to be though because Nintendo will probably end up releasing a system with one giant A button and call it the next Gameboy and then tell us that we don't need something with better specs becuase they know that grandma won't be able to play anything else. Brilliant.[/QUOTE]


So...What your saying is Nintendo should release a handheld like the PSP which plays mostly ports of older games? They shouldn't keep making new games and ideas no other system has ever done before? (touch screen). Yeah, sounds awesome!
 
[quote name='gizmogc']So...What your saying is Nintendo should release a handheld like the PSP which plays mostly ports of older games? They shouldn't keep making new games and ideas no other system has ever done before? (touch screen). Yeah, sounds awesome![/QUOTE]

Exactly. The touch screen sucks. I'd like to be able to play a cutting-edge portable Zelda without a useless mini game tacked on requiring me to scratch Link's balls. Or wait, maybe they could use the second screen as a map! Or wait, they could also use it to display Link's status! Now that's innovation! The only even remotely cool ideas I've seen are for pac-pix (which is a minigame I'd pay $5 for, not one worth $30) and for Castlevania DS where you have to 'seal' the boss by drawing a rune or something. Everything else seems to be totally unnecessary - not something I'd build a system around.
 
[quote name='maxflight']if it is the third pillar, I dunno how developers are gonna develop for 3 handhelds and 3 consoles. if they don't support all the systems, it's gonna be bye bye last place console/handheld[/QUOTE]

Developers already don't support the DS, so there goes that idea.

The only third party games to look forward to are Castlevania and Lunar (we don't even know this will end up) and Sonic (likewise). Can't forget Trauma Center and that Attorney game, either.

I like the touch screen and all, but it seems most developers don't want to take a chance on it. I really can't think of any other 3rd party games for the end of the year that will be decent, and there's only 5 up there =/

I like Nintendo's stuff, but I do like variety as well.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Exactly. The touch screen sucks. I'd like to be able to play a cutting-edge portable Zelda without a useless mini game tacked on requiring me to scratch Link's balls. Or wait, maybe they could use the second screen as a map! Or wait, they could also use it to display Link's status! Now that's innovation! The only even remotely cool ideas I've seen are for pac-pix (which is a minigame I'd pay $5 for, not one worth $30) and for Castlevania DS where you have to 'seal' the boss by drawing a rune or something. Everything else seems to be totally unnecessary - not something I'd build a system around.[/QUOTE]
funny you bash tacked on gimmicks, and then praise castlevanias tacked on gimmick :lol:
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Developers already don't support the DS, so there goes that idea.

The only third party games to look forward to are Castlevania and Lunar (we don't even know this will end up) and Sonic (likewise). Can't forget Trauma Center and that Attorney game, either.

I like the touch screen and all, but it seems most developers don't want to take a chance on it. I really can't think of any other 3rd party games for the end of the year that will be decent, and there's only 5 up there =/

I like Nintendo's stuff, but I do like variety as well.[/QUOTE]

Did you even research before you posted? The DS has tons of 3rd party support, from all popular companies. Really, your statements couldn't be more wrong.
 
it should be required that everyone who is iffy on the DS play Feel the Magic. That game alone proves how great the touch screen can be when used to its full potential ( I have not finished the game, but have been playing the first four scenes over and over because they are so much fun)
 
[quote name='punqsux']funny you bash tacked on gimmicks, and then praise castlevanias tacked on gimmick :lol:[/QUOTE]

yeah, I know... at least it's a gimmick that kind of sort of fits with the theme of the game and shows that at least someone out there is thinking (albeit not very hard) about how to use that damn screen... :D
 
i think the thing that irks people about the ds is that it has the ABILITY to utilize 2 screens, so people tend to feel every game should do so to the fullest potential.

let us not forget how underutilized analog control was on the original dual shock, and a game like ape escapse just came along and blew everyone away, no one based sony back then for every game not being ape escape, i dont see why people bash the ds because every game isnt feel the magic.
 
I didn't offer up what I am looking for out of the next gameboy so here it goes:

I would prefer a clamshell design to that of the SP or the DS. I'd like a bigger screen than the SP but it doesn't have to be widescreen like the PSP. If it uses disc based media I would prefer little or no loading time similar to the Cube. As far as size I think something in between the SP and the DS would be perfect. Battery life should be around 7-8 hours. A backlight screen would be the only way to go.

Backwards compatibility with all previous Gameboy formats would be cool but I can't imagine it doing discs plus cartridges and being small to boot. Maybe if the Revolution does well enough with their online model they could do games off of SD cards. I'm just thinking a portable with non-moving parts is the way to go over the long haul. It would be nice to take my downloaded Revolution games and use them on my portable as well.

I'm thinking we will see something near the end of next year.
 
[quote name='punqsux']i think the thing that irks people about the ds is that it has the ABILITY to utilize 2 screens, so people tend to feel every game should do so to the fullest potential.

let us not forget how underutilized analog control was on the original dual shock, and a game like ape escapse just came along and blew everyone away, no one based sony back then for every game not being ape escape, i dont see why people bash the ds because every game isnt feel the magic.[/QUOTE]

I don't know.. I guess probably because the SP was working just fine for non-touch screen portable Nintendo gaming... granted you couldn't do SM64 on the SP but no one was really yelling for a rerelease or a relatively minimal upgrade in hardware. The touch screen IS the DS - there's nothing else really setting it apart (especially from the more powerful PSP). In order to sell systems Nintendo has to show the experience is worth your time and money - everything else (except the Nintendo franchises) can be done much better on the PSP...
 
I still need to get a DS.. eletronic blue...

Still I would love see more game use the touch screen... and I expect 1st party games to take advantage of that....

or All will most likly end up like Rayman...
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Developers already don't support the DS, so there goes that idea.

The only third party games to look forward to are Castlevania and Lunar (we don't even know this will end up) and Sonic (likewise). Can't forget Trauma Center and that Attorney game, either.

I like the touch screen and all, but it seems most developers don't want to take a chance on it. I really can't think of any other 3rd party games for the end of the year that will be decent, and there's only 5 up there =/

I like Nintendo's stuff, but I do like variety as well.[/QUOTE]

DS Gamelist:

-A Boy and His Blob: Jelly's Cosmic Adventure (Majesco)
-Advance Wars: Dual Strike (Nintendo)
-Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings (Majesco)
-Animal Crossing to Go! (Nintendo)
-Animaniacs: Lights, Camera, Action (Ignition Entertainment)
-Armored Core DS (From Software)
-Asphalt Urban GT (UbiSoft)
-ATV Quad Frenzy (Majesco)
-Barnyard (THQ)
-Baten Kaitos DS (Namco)
-Batman Begins (Electronic Arts)
-Big Mutha Truckers DS (DSI Games)
-Blades of Thunder 2 (SummitSoft)
-Black & White Creatures (Majesco)
-Bleach (Sega)
-Boktai (Konami)
-Bokujou-Monogatari DS 2 (Marvelous Interactive)
-Bomberman DS (UbiSoft)
-Bomberman DS 2 (Hudson)
-Bouken-Ou Beet (Bandai)
-Bubble Bobble Revolution (Majesco)
-Bukyou (Starfish)
-Burnout Legends (Electronic Arts)
-Bust-A-Move DS (Majesco)
-Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 06: Kill Or Be Killed (Activision)
-Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow (Konami)
-Choro Q DS (Atlus)
-Chuu-Shi Rally (Spike)
-Cocoto Card Racer (BigBen Interactive)
-Contact (Marvelous Interactive)
-Crash Tag Team Racing (VU Games)
-Deep Labyrinth (Interactive Brains)
-Def Jam Vendetta (Electronic Arts)
-Devlish: Ball Bounder (Starfish)
-Dig Dug: Digging Strike (Namco)
-Digimon World (Bandai)
-Disciples 2: Dark Prophecy (Pocket PC Studios)
-Disney Presents a Pixar Film: Cars (THQ)
-Disney Presents a Pixar Film: Finding Nemo 2 (THQ)
-Disney Presents a Pixar Film: The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer (THQ)
-Disney's Kim Possible: Kimmunicator (Disney Interactive)
-Disney's That's So Raven & Lizzie McGuire (Disney Interactive)
-Dobutsu Shima no Chibi Gurumi 3 (Rocket Company)
-Dragon Ball Z: Super Sonic Warriors 2 (Atari)
-Dragon Booster (Konami)
-Dragon Quest Monsters series (Square Enix)
-Dragon Quest Slime Morimori 2 (Square Enix)
-Dress (Bandai)
-Dust & Shadows (Neko Entertainment)
-Dynasty Warriors (Koei)
-Egg Monster Heroes (Square Enix)
-Europa Universalis II (Pocket PC Studios)
-Eye Shield 21 (Nintendo)
-Fairly Odd Parents (THQ)
-Feel the Magic: XY-XX (Sega)
-Final Fantasy III (Square Enix)
-Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles series (Square Enix)
-Ford Racing 3 (DSI Games)
-Franklin (Game Factory)
-Frogger: Helmet Havoc (Konami)
-Fushugino Dungeon Pokémon World: Pikachu's Adventure (ChunSoft)
-Ganbare Goemon! Toukai Douchuu Ooedo Tenguri-kaeshi no Maki (Konami)
-Garfield: Battle for Home (Game Factory)
-Goldeneye: Rogue Agent (Electronic Arts)
-Golden Nugget Casino DS (Majesco)
-Greg Hastings Tour Paintball Max'd (Activision)
-GT-DS Racing (MTO)
-Guilty Gear Dust Strikers (Majesco)
-Guruguru Nagetto (Success)
-Guruguru Omiseyasan Gokko (Bandai)
-Hagane no Renkinjutsushi: Dual Symphony (Bandai)
-Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (Electronic Arts)
-Harvest Moon DS (Natsume)
-Intelligent License (Now Production)
-Jagged Alliance 2: Gold Pack (Pocket PC Studios)
-Jam with the Band (Nintendo)
-James Bond 007: From Russia with Love (Electronic Arts)
-JAWS Unleashed (Majesco)
-Jeff Corwin Experience (Conspiracy Entertainment)
-Jikkyo Powerful Pro Yakyuu series (Konami)
-Jinsei Game DS (Atlus)
-Jissen Pachislot Hisshopou! Fist of the North Star DS (Sega)
-Johnny Rocketfingers (Conspiracy Entertainment)
-Jump Super Stars (Nintendo)
-Kaido Racing Battle (Genki)
-Katamari Damacy DS (Namco)
-Kawaii Koinu DS (MTO)
-Kawa no Nushi Tsuri DS (Marvelous Interactive)
-Kenshuui Tendou Dokuta (Spike)
-Kerokero King (Bandai)
-Keroro Gunsou (Bandai)
-Kirby: Canvas Curse (Nintendo)
-Land Before Time (Game Factory)
-Living High↑Killing Low↓ (Genki)
-Londonian Gothics: Mekyuu no Lolita (Mega Cyber)
-Lost in Blue (Konami)
-Lunar: Dragon Song (UbiSoft)
-Madagascar (Activision)
-Madden NFL 2005 (Electronic Arts)
-Madden NFL 06 (Electronic Arts)
-Magical Vacation II (Nintendo)
-Mahjong Taikai (Koei)
-Mahou Touch! (Bandai)
-Mario & Luigi 2 (Nintendo)
-Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
-Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects (Electronic Arts)
-Meikyuu (Aruze)
-Megaman Battle Network 5: Double Team DS (Capcom)
-Meteos (Nintendo)
-Metroid Dread (Nintendo)
-Metroid Prime: Hunters (Nintendo)
-Metroid Prime: Pinball (Nintendo)
-Midway Arcade Treasures (Midway)
-Mikke! (Aki)
-Mini RC Rally (SummitSoft)
-Minna no Mahjong DS: Kenkou Mahjong (MTO)
-Mobile Suit Gundam SEED (Bandai)
-Momotarou Densetsu World (Hudson)
-Monolpoly DS (DSI Games)
-Monster Summoner (Ertain)
-Monster Rancher Jamboree (Tecmo)
-Moonlight Fables (Majesco)
-Mr Driller: Drill Spirits (Namco)
-Nanostray (Majesco)
-Naruto RPG 2: Chidori Vs Rasengan (TOMY)
-Naruto: Saikyo Ninja Daikesshu 3 (TOMY)
-NBA Live 06 (Electronic Arts)
-Need for Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)
-Need for Speed Underground 2 (Electronic Arts)
-Nicktoons Unite! (THQ)
-Nintendo Tetris (Nintendo)
-Ochaken DS (MTO)
-One Piece Grand Battle! (Bandai)
-Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan (Nintendo)
-Pac n' Roll (Namco)
-Pac-Pix (Namco)
-Peter Jackson's King Kong (UbiSoft)
-Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (Capcom)
-Pirate Battle (Orbital Media)
-Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (Disney Interactive)
-Pokémon Dash (Nintendo)
-Pokémon Diamond Version (Nintendo)
-Pokémon Pearl Version (Nintendo)
-Polarium (Nintendo)
-Power Pocket Koushien (Konami)
-Prince of Persia 3 (UbiSoft)
-Professional Wrestling (Spike)
-ProWres (Yukes)
-Puyo Pop Fever (Atlus)
-Racing Gears 2 (Orbital Media)
-Rainbow Islands Revolution (Rising Star Games)
-Rayman DS (UbiSoft)
-Rakugaki Oukoku series (Taito)
-Real Time Conflict: Shogun Empires (Namco)
-Rekishi Simulation (Koei)
-Retro Atari Classics (Atari)
-Ridge Racer DS (Namco)
-Robots (VU Games)
-Rune Factory (Marvelous Interactive)
-SBK: Snowboard Kids (Atlus)
-Scooby-Doo! Unmasked (THQ)
-Scurge: Hive (Orbital Media)
-SD Gundam G Generation DS (Bandai)
-Sea World Adventure Parks: Shamu's Big Adventure (Activision)
-Secret of Mana series (Square Enix)
-Sentouin Yamada Hajime 2 (Kids Station)
-Shaman King (Konami)
-Shin Megami Tensei DS (Atlus)
-Shrek Super Slam (Activision)
-Simple DS series: The Billiards (D3 Publisher)
-Simple DS series: The Mah-jong (D3 Publisher)
-Simple DS series: The Mushitori Oukoku (D3 Publisher)
-Snood 2: On Vacation (DSI Games)
-Sonic Rush (Sega)
-Space Invaders Revolution (Mastiff)
-Spectral Force (Idea Factory)
-Spider-Man 2 (Activision)
-SpongeBob SquarePants: The Yellow Avenger (THQ)
-Sprung (UbiSoft)
-Spyro the Dragon: Shadow Legacy (VU Games)
-SRS: Street Racing Syndicate (DSI Games)
-SSX: On Tour (Electronic Arts)
-Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (UbiSoft)
-Super Black Bass: Dynamic Shot (Starfish)
-Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
-Super Mario Bros DS (Nintendo)
-Super Pac-Man Pinball (DSI Games)
-Super Princess Peach (Nintendo)
-Super Robot Taisen DS (Banpresto)
-Tak: The Great Juju Challenge (THQ)
-Tantei Adventure (Kids Station)
-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3: Mutant Nightmare (Konami)
-Tenchu DS (From Software)
-Tengai Maykou II: Manjimaru (Hudson)
-Tennis no Oji-Sama 2005: Crystal Drive (Konami)
-Tetris DS (THQ)
-Texas Hold 'Em Poker (Majesco)
-Texas Hold 'Em Poker Pack (SummitSoft)
-The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe (Disney Interactive)
-The Hulk: Ultimate Destruction (VU Games)
-The Legend of Zelda (Nintendo)
-The Sims 2 (Electronic Arts)
-The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts)
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts)
-Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (UbiSoft)
-Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (Activision)
-Top Gun (Mastiff)
-Top Spin 2 (2K Games)
-Touch Golf (Nintendo)
-Toy Heads World (Interactive Brains)
-Trace Memory (Nintendo)
-Trauma Center: Under the Knife (Atlus)
-Tsubasa Chronicle (Arika)
-Turok Next (Disney Interactive)
-Ubukawa Detective Case Files: The Masquerade Lullaby (Genki)
-Ultimate Brain Games DS (TeleGames)
-Ultimate Card Games DS (TeleGames)
-Ultimate Spider-Man (Activision)
-Urusei Yatsura (Marvelous Interactive)
-Yakitate!! Japan (Bandai)
-Yakuman DS (Nintendo)
-Yoshi: Touch & Go (Nintendo)
-Yu-Gi-Oh! Nightmare Troubador (Konami)
-Vandal Hearts (Konami)
-Viewtiful Joe DS (Capcom)
-Wac-A-Mole! (Activision)
-Wario Ware TOUCHED! (Nintendo)
-WiNX (Konami)
-World Poker Championship: Deluxe Edition (Crave Entertainment)
-World Soccer Winning Eleven series (Konami)
-Worms Forts: Under Seige (2K Games)
-Xenosaga DS (Namco)
-Yakitate Japan (Bandai)
-ZOIDS (TOMY)
-Zoo Keeper (Ignition Entertainment)
-Zoo Tycoon (THQ)
-Zunou Ni Asekaku Game Series: Volume 1: Cool 104 Joker & Setline (Aruze)
-Zunou Ni Asekaku Game Series: Volume 2 (Aruze)
-Zunou Ni Asekaku Game Series: Volume 3 (Aruze)

Nintendo DS Non-Games
-DS Rakuhiki Jiten (Nintendo)
-DSpeak (Nintendo)
-Electro Plankton (Nintendo)
-Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends (Nintendo)
-Nintendogs: Miniature Dachshund and Friends (Nintendo)
-Nintendogs: Shiba and Friends (Nintendo)
-Nou o Kitaeru Otona no DS Training (Nintendo)
-Organizer Plus (SummitSoft)
-Picto-Chat (Nintendo)
-Ping Pals (THQ)
-Raki Suta (Kadowkawa Shoten)
-Tamagochi (Bandai)
-Touch DIC (Daiwon C&A Holdings)
-Yawaraka Atama Juku (Nintendo)

Nintendo DS TBA Games
-action (Alfa Unit)
-action (D3)
-action (Epoch)
-action (Now Production)
-action (Tasuke)
-action RPG (Aruze)
-action RPG (Hudson)
-card battle (Kids Station)
-board game (Work Jams)
-family (Orbital Media)
-multiplayer sports (Sega)
-online RPG (Namco)
-online RTS (Marvelous Interactive)
-RPG (GameArts)
-RPG (Marvelous Interactive)
-RPG (TOMY)
-simulation (Sunrise)
-simulation (Tasuke)
-simulation RPG (Mistwalker)
-Team Ninja project (Tecmo)[/b]

Konami alone is putting out 14 games on the DS. That's more then they've put out on the PSP, Xbox, and Gamecube combined. I've also noticed Capcom, Square Enix, Namco, Sega, and Atlus on the list as well. Oh wait, even Tecmo and Mistwalker are on the list! I guess Sony and Rockstar are the only developers that count though. Poor, poor Nintendo... DS FAILS!
 
The touch screen IS the DS - there's nothing else really setting it apart (especially from the more powerful PSP).

how about the incredibly addictive and fun games and slew of interesting and different titles coming out for it, access to a huge catalog of GBA games, and modest pricing? all those things make it worth my time and money. That's all I ask for a portable.

everything else (except the Nintendo franchises) can be done much better on the PSP...

I think 3-d games could work better on the ds...that analog nub is awkward compared to the touch screen. that's a matter of preferance though...

as far outperforming the DS, well most things look better graphically on the PSP and it offers multimedia capabilities(but I've got an mp3 player and I don't watch full length movies on that small of a screen.) yay.

so they can do things better, like the CD-i could've done things better than the SNES and Genesis. but it didn't and the PSP hasn't.

it's all about the games. the year looks kinda bleak for PSP games, while the DS has a couple potential killer apps coming out this fall along with other interesting titles.

That's why I got rid of my PSP, NO GAMES and too much unnecessary crap. it sure is purty though.
 
That's an impressive list Parathod. Just curious: How far into the future does it go, and is it the Jap list or confirmed US games?
 
[quote name='Apossum']how about the incredibly addictive and fun games and slew of interesting and different titles coming out for it, access to a huge catalog of GBA games, and modest pricing? all those things make it worth my time and money. That's all I ask for a portable. [/QUOTE] Incredibly addictive games? There aren't any. Interesting and different? Sure, but that doesn't mean that they are fun. Access to a huge catalog of GBA games? That's what my GBASP is for. Modest pricing? Price doesn't really matter here... if you have $150 to spend, chances are you could dig up $250 to spend. It's cheaper but you get an inferior product, IMO.
I think 3-d games could work better on the ds...that analog nub is awkward compared to the touch screen. that's a matter of preferance though...
You are right - personal preference. They are both awkward but I think the touch screen as a controller is way harder and uncomfortable to use.
as far outperforming the DS, well most things look better graphically on the PSP and it offers multimedia capabilities(but I've got an mp3 player and I don't watch full length movies on that small of a screen.) yay.
I only use my PSP to play games - I can't see using it for anything else but at least the option is there if I want to.
so they can do things better, like the CD-i could've done things better than the SNES and Genesis. but it didn't and the PSP hasn't.
Give it time. There are also a lot of great games coming for the PSP.
it's all about the games. the year looks kinda bleak for PSP games, while the DS has a couple potential killer apps coming out this fall along with other interesting titles.
I think the PSP is in the same situation the DS was in 3 months after its launch - I'm not worried at all. If GTA, Prince of Persia and Madden drop this year then I'm all set for the foreseeable future.
That's why I got rid of my PSP, NO GAMES and too much unnecessary crap. it sure is purty though.
I hope you don't regret it and end up rebuying one. I'm not a DS hater (although I sure do sound like one) - in fact, once the Super Mario Bros. and Zelda come out I will probably pick one up. I just don't see it as a better system in the long run.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']That's an impressive list Parathod. Just curious: How far into the future does it go, and is it the Jap list or confirmed US games?[/QUOTE]

It's a worldwide confirmed games list. A lot of those games are being released this year, but some of them, including the tba titles, could go potentially into late 2006/early 2007. Look at how long Square Enix have been delaying games lately on the PS2. KH2 was supposed to be out last Christmas.
 
well, we pretty much disagree on everything about the 2 systems then :) but it is not a fact that if you can afford a DS, you can afford a PSP. don't forget the $40- $50 games, expensive memory sticks. for a college student like me, there was a huge difference. If I was working full time, it wouldn't have been a big deal. I suppose.

I hope you don't regret it and end up rebuying one. I'm not a DS hater (although I sure do sound like one) - in fact, once the Super Mario Bros. and Zelda come out I will probably pick one up. I just don't see it as a better system in the long run.

I won't regret it-- that release list is looking too good- there's more than enough to keep me busy on there and that's all i ask for :) I'll probably rebuy a psp anyway when(if?) it drops to $150.
 
[quote name='Apossum']well, we pretty much disagree on everything about the 2 systems then :) but it is not a fact that if you can afford a DS, you can afford a PSP. don't forget the $40- $50 games, expensive memory sticks. for a college student like me, there was a huge difference. If I was working full time, it wouldn't have been a big deal. I suppose.

I won't regret it-- that release list is looking too good- there's more than enough to keep me busy on there and that's all i ask for :) I'll probably rebuy a psp anyway when(if?) it drops to $150.[/QUOTE]

yeah, I guess so. I'm hoping I see something from the DS that sparks my interest. I've owned every Nintendo product they've ever put out (except the virtual boy) and the Gamecube is far and away my favorite next-gen system but I'm just not sold on the DS yet. Oh well, if people like you keep telling me how great it is I'll have to at least consider getting one eventually, right? 5 million people and counting can't all be wrong...:D
 
If even a third of those games parathod listed come out this year, what would happen to the rivalry of ds vs psp??? A lot of people don't like the ds because of its games.
 
[quote name='crazyboxer12']If even a third of those games parathod listed come out this year, what would happen to the rivalry of ds vs psp??? A lot of people don't like the ds because of its games.[/QUOTE]


there is no doubt about it that it doesn't have the games to satisfy the "hardcore" gamers that go for FPS, sports, racing, type of games. it's definitely not there for that market. goldeneye and metroid prime hunters are its stab at that market, but otherwise there isn't much.

javery, how much time have you been spending per DS game? I found that most of the DS games takes a good amount of time before you see the charm in it. but they do make you come back for more everytime after you see what it's about.
 
[quote name='jkam']A know a lot of people thought E3 would bring a PSP type Gameboy but that didn't happen. So I'm wondering was the DS the new Gameboy but they labeled it differently in case of failure? If the DS is REALLY the 3rd pillar of gaming and the next Gameboy is on its way when will it get here? What do you want to see it offer? Will it use disc based media? Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

good point on its name being different. I was wondering why they didnt call it Gameboy DS or something. They very well could have been afraid of it failing and ruining Gameboy's good name.
 
[quote name='maxflight']javery, how much time have you been spending per DS game? I found that most of the DS games takes a good amount of time before you see the charm in it. but they do make you come back for more everytime after you see what it's about.[/QUOTE]

Not much, I admit. Nothing seems to have sucked me in upon first play... I do like the responsiveness of the system and the touchscreen. GBA games look great too... I do need to spend a little more time with it though...
 
The next GameBoy will come nowhere near the PSP in power and major features but it will have one major thing in its favor. As with any new GameBoy platform it will launch at under $100 and have a form factor better suited to kids who take it everywhere.

It's going to be a hell of a long while before the PSP is anywhere near the $100 mark and it will remain at a disadvantage for the GameBoy's core market due to its size and delicate nature. I'd expect the next GameBoy to be very close to the GBA SP in layout but with a somewhat lager size to accomodate a slightly larger screen of perhaps 35% greater resolution than either DS screen. 3D capabilities will be greater than the DS but very similar from a coding perspective.

This will be the first real 3D oriented GameBoy (with full compatibility to 3.3 v GBA games, so plenty of 2D content will be on hand) but staying within the GameBoy formula for price, battery life, size, etc. It won't be direct competition for the PSP but will sell tens of millions of units at a price low enough that parents with several children will casually buy one for each. WiFi will be standard but there won;t be a touch screen and items like microphones will require a plug-in accessory.

Meanwhile, after that product has been well established, Nintendo will be looking for a new product to fill the high end price range and to counter the PSP if it should drop in price enough to become a real contender for market share. The answer would be a compatible successor to DS with improved screen resolution, more processing power, and perhaps some new standard features such as GPS, analog directional input, etc.
 
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so they can do things better, like the CD-i could've done things better than the SNES and Genesis. but it didn't and the PSP hasn't.
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The tragic thing about the CD-i is that developers were for the first few years forbidden from doing console style games. Philips believed it would destroy the new market they were trying to stake out for the machine if people saw it as just a Nintendo competitor. Much like Microsoft's insistence on not allowing mouse and keyboard use on the Xbox, this was a huge mistake. While the hardware lacked any serious sprite hardware or other features the large amount of RAM and deep color palette allowed for some pretty good stuff. I had a lot of former coworkers who got jobs doing CD-i work because the money was much better than most other jobs at the time. One of them showed me a demo for an R-Type-ish shooter that would have had people drooling in desire if were on a mainstream game system but Philips wouldn't allow it to be published.

By the time they realizef the error of their ways it was far too late and most of what CD-i had was common on PCs and soon to find its way onto Sega and Sony platforms.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Not much, I admit. Nothing seems to have sucked me in upon first play... I do like the responsiveness of the system and the touchscreen. GBA games look great too... I do need to spend a little more time with it though...[/QUOTE]

yeah, I think the games won't suck you in right away because it takes some time to get used to the interface (for games that use touch screen inputs at least). it's not until you're familiar with the controls then can you get better at the game and sucked in. this is especially true for yoshi's touch and go, among others.
 
The next gameboy will NOT use disc media. It will continue to use cartridges because there is little to no loading times. Prices of flash continue to decline, so it's where the future lies. I also suspect it to have a tiny bit more power than the PSP, but not by much.
 
-Shin Megami Tensei DS (Atlus)

This got my attention....My girlfriend wants a DS for Castlevania alone. I'd like to go back and play Zelda:Minnish Cap maybe try Fire Emblem...I am seriously considering getting a DS!
 
[quote name='sadunclesnugglez']-Shin Megami Tensei DS (Atlus)

This got my attention....My girlfriend wants a DS for Castlevania alone. I'd like to go back and play Zelda:Minnish Cap maybe try Fire Emblem...I am seriously considering getting a DS![/QUOTE]

hopefully it'll come out in the U.S.
 
[quote name='sadunclesnugglez']-Shin Megami Tensei DS (Atlus)

This got my attention....My girlfriend wants a DS for Castlevania alone. I'd like to go back and play Zelda:Minnish Cap maybe try Fire Emblem...I am seriously considering getting a DS![/QUOTE]

should pick it up with the free mario then.
 
I just about jizzed my pants when I saw that list, specifically Armored Core DS! One of my favorite series ever! It just better not be like that PSP Armored Core...

I'm guessing we'll see a new GameBoy no sooner than a year after the Micro's out... and I'd like to say up to two years. With the DS doing so well (and the GBA's too) there is no need anytime soon.
 
[quote name='punqsux']dont forget about demikids for gba, which is a shin megami tensei game as well.[/QUOTE]

unless I'm completely missing something, I don't think it's part of the SMT series.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']So...What your saying is Nintendo should release a handheld like the PSP which plays mostly ports of older games? They shouldn't keep making new games and ideas no other system has ever done before? (touch screen). Yeah, sounds awesome![/QUOTE]

Sounds like the DS too me.....
 
[quote name='jkam']A know a lot of people thought E3 would bring a PSP type Gameboy but that didn't happen. So I'm wondering was the DS the new Gameboy but they labeled it differently in case of failure? If the DS is REALLY the 3rd pillar of gaming and the next Gameboy is on its way when will it get here? What do you want to see it offer? Will it use disc based media? Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Well if the first was any indication...a full upgrade every decade or so...

But my guess...prolly 2007 maybe 2008.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Incredibly addictive games? There aren't any. Interesting and different? Sure, but that doesn't mean that they are fun. Access to a huge catalog of GBA games? That's what my GBASP is for. Modest pricing? Price doesn't really matter here... if you have $150 to spend, chances are you could dig up $250 to spend. It's cheaper but you get an inferior product, IMO.
You are right - personal preference. They are both awkward but I think the touch screen as a controller is way harder and uncomfortable to use.
I only use my PSP to play games - I can't see using it for anything else but at least the option is there if I want to. Give it time. There are also a lot of great games coming for the PSP.
I think the PSP is in the same situation the DS was in 3 months after its launch - I'm not worried at all. If GTA, Prince of Persia and Madden drop this year then I'm all set for the foreseeable future.I hope you don't regret it and end up rebuying one. I'm not a DS hater (although I sure do sound like one) - in fact, once the Super Mario Bros. and Zelda come out I will probably pick one up. I just don't see it as a better system in the long run.[/QUOTE]

Of course there is the matter of games costing more as well. It's merely $100 more immediately. Games will run you $10 more each...even ignoring the memory stick costs since you don't appear to use it for that.
 
[quote name='Parathod']It's a worldwide confirmed games list. A lot of those games are being released this year, but some of them, including the tba titles, could go potentially into late 2006/early 2007. Look at how long Square Enix have been delaying games lately on the PS2. KH2 was supposed to be out last Christmas.[/QUOTE]


Too true...though I think a game like KH is gonna be prone to massive delays as opposed to a DS game...dev times for the platforms ought to be way different.
 
[quote name='rubaiyat']Of course there is the matter of games costing more as well. It's merely $100 more immediately. Games will run you $10 more each...even ignoring the memory stick costs since you don't appear to use it for that.[/QUOTE]
The PSP games cost more because they cost more to make.

An optimist would look at it and say that they cost $10 less than console games.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']The PSP games cost more because they cost more to make.

An optimist would look at it and say that they cost $10 less than console games.[/QUOTE]

They don't cost $10 less than console games, though. They in fact cost the exact same price as console games. PS2 games launch for $40-$50, PSP games launch for $40-50.
 
I love the DS but I can understand why it wasn't touted as a new Gameboy, even if it ends up replacing it. The functions of the DS were unproven, and the Gameboy line is Nintendo's cash-cow.

For instance, Anheuser Busch might try a low-carb, low calorie, low whatever product but they wouldn't dare change Bud Light because it's their best selling name.
 
[quote name='Kain Vincent']javeryh, did you play Kirby: Canvas Curse yet? That's a fun game, showing off the touch screen.[/QUOTE]

No I haven't. I will keep my eyes open for it though. I'd love for a AAA game to come out that makes use of the touchscreen in ways never thought of before or at least have the impact of Mario 64 (N64) when it initially came out or something...
 
[quote name='javeryh']No I haven't. I will keep my eyes open for it though. I'd love for a AAA game to come out that makes use of the touchscreen in ways never thought of before or at least have the impact of Mario 64 (N64) when it initially came out or something...[/QUOTE]

They have. It's called Meteos.

Seriously, spend ten minutes playing Canvas Curse or Meteos and tell me the DS isn't a great system.
 
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