The due-process-free assassination of U.S. citizens is now reality

[quote name='nasum']jeez, maybe they wanted her to take off the headgear for her own safety? Some of the pther people in jail may have taken a shot at her and could have used it to choke her or something?! Imagine the outcry if such a transgression were to happen.

Two sides pal. You call it religious harrassment, I call it sitting in jail and that's just what happens there. They'll take your little cross on your neck chain too so that you can't use it as a weapon or have it used against you in such a way too. But those are christians or catholics so the ACLU doesn't care about them right?

Oh yeah, forgot we're the great opressors so nothing we do can be for good right?[/QUOTE]

Is it a requirement of faith for a person to wear a crucifix? It is a requirement of faith for women to wear a headscarf. The US has upheld that a person can't be discriminated aginst for wearing it, multiple times. Dude, your analogies suck. Having known a few male muslim inmates, their experience of being muslim in prison was that people actually respected them more and didn't mess with them. The Nation of Islam people were loony and always trying to cause problems.

And since you want to be offended so bad, brace yourself, I'm going to say something so radical, you might have to sit in the corner and stare at the wall for awhile to let it sink in. Muslims have it better in America than in any country in the world. They have it so good becaus the law requires ALL people to be protected even if you disagree with them, not just those that are related to the current dictator or his cronies. That's why maltreatment like this strikes me as so perverse. In a Syrian prison this lady would have already been a "missing" person.

You wrote: Well, this person knowingly and willingly gave money to an organization labeled as a terrorist group, ergo she did that by choice and her choices have landed her in the courtroom. Then again, that's that responsibility sillyness so I suppose I can just give up on going down that road.

--and I've said if she's guilty, I hope she gets the appropriate punishment. Unfortunately in America we have this legal principle of presumption of innocence. Someday when you're king, you can eliminate it, but for now, thankfully we're still the United States, and she is innocent until proven guilty.
 
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[quote name='nasum']jeez, maybe they wanted her to take off the headgear for her own safety? Some of the pther people in jail may have taken a shot at her and could have used it to choke her or something?! Imagine the outcry if such a transgression were to happen.

Two sides pal. You call it religious harrassment, I call it sitting in jail and that's just what happens there. They'll take your little cross on your neck chain too so that you can't use it as a weapon or have it used against you in such a way too. But those are christians or catholics so the ACLU doesn't care about them right?

Oh yeah, forgot we're the great opressors so nothing we do can be for good right?

Well, this person knowingly and willingly gave money to an organization labeled as a terrorist group, ergo she did that by choice and her choices have landed her in the courtroom. Then again, that's that responsibility sillyness so I suppose I can just give up on going down that road.[/QUOTE]

The material support law isnt being enforced equally at ALL. Look up MEK.
 
[quote name='berzirk']Unfortunately in America we have this legal principle of presumption of innocence. Someday when you're king, you can eliminate it, but for now, thankfully we're still the United States, and she is innocent until proven guilty.[/QUOTE]

Why even argue with a guy who sounds like such a douche.
 
Aside from being well to do in Canada or Australia, just about anybody in this country has it better off than anywhere else...

Is the headgear a requirement of faith or a requirement of that Sharia law? Important distinction.

Presumption of innocence to a certain degree. There is the right to a fair trial and all that, but seriously, we all know OJ did it. In this case, the pain in the ass is going through the due process which is absolutely correct and right. Yay for America. Before the pain in the ass decided to be a pain in the ass in the courtroom she wasn't even in jail! So yeah, this isn't Syria, but good attempt to obfuscate.

And finally, I'm not the court so I can have my opinion, just like you can have yours! Again, yay for America. Aside from being contrarian for the sake of it, are you really so convinced that the judicial system is a bad guy and this is all a blatant attempt at taking away a person's rights? No rights have been violated! It's absurd that you're taking this line of thought that it's all ok because this person's invisible friend says to play by one set of rules when there is another set of rules in place, especially when other people in her group that have the same invisible friend are ok with playing by that other set of rules.
You'll note that I haven't had any venom towards the other defendants, mainly because they haven't publicly proven themselves to be a complete pain in the ass.
 
[quote name='berzirk']Unfortunately in America we have this legal principle of presumption of innocence. Someday when you're king, you can eliminate it, but for now, thankfully we're still the United States, and she is innocent until proven guilty.[/QUOTE]

I think the first post in this very thread would have shown you different.
 
[quote name='nasum']Aside from being well to do in Canada or Australia, just about anybody in this country has it better off than anywhere else...

Is the headgear a requirement of faith or a requirement of that Sharia law? Important distinction.

Presumption of innocence to a certain degree. There is the right to a fair trial and all that, but seriously, we all know OJ did it. In this case, the pain in the ass is going through the due process which is absolutely correct and right. Yay for America. Before the pain in the ass decided to be a pain in the ass in the courtroom she wasn't even in jail! So yeah, this isn't Syria, but good attempt to obfuscate.

And finally, I'm not the court so I can have my opinion, just like you can have yours! Again, yay for America. Aside from being contrarian for the sake of it, are you really so convinced that the judicial system is a bad guy and this is all a blatant attempt at taking away a person's rights? No rights have been violated! It's absurd that you're taking this line of thought that it's all ok because this person's invisible friend says to play by one set of rules when there is another set of rules in place, especially when other people in her group that have the same invisible friend are ok with playing by that other set of rules.
You'll note that I haven't had any venom towards the other defendants, mainly because they haven't publicly proven themselves to be a complete pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]

The headgear is a religious requirement. And the fact that you're breaking out "Sharia law" (whoever decided that's the new buzzword seriously needs to be "jihad-ed") shows your lack of understanding for it all. Islam doesn't break apart the religion from the religious rules. That's what some would say is unique about Islam. It has a preferred/required way to do damn near everything in life, from eating, going to the bathroom, and greeting people. So "Shariah Law" is an integral part of the religion.

We can absolutely opine on the issue, and I'm fine agreeing to disagree. And in fact, to be bluntly honest, as a muslim, muslims have been driving me crazy lately. I would have been all prepared to chastise this lady, and jump on board and criticize her for being a pain in the ass, BUT, she has properly defended her refusal to stand as a religious issue, and she had her hijab forceably removed by a male, and claims to have been assaulted. Then when a women comes over to remove it, it seems as though everything calmed down and there was no longer an issue. That would tell me that she wasn't looking to be a pain in the ass, she wasn't cool with a guy "disrobing" her, and was OK with a woman doing it...which again, is the supported practice of the faith (different clothes requirements in mixed, vs same gender groups).

CAIR...CAIR is an overreacting pain in the ass that has taken political queues from hypocrites and self-aggrandizers like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They are whiners, insert themselves in issues that most muslims would prefer they'd leave alone, and in general, do more harm than good with respect to PR for muslims in america. Are we at least in agreement there?

There are muslim pains in the ass. I just don't see this lady as the poster child for it.
 
[quote name='camoor']Why even argue with a guy who sounds like such a douche.[/QUOTE]

u mad

[quote name='UncleBob']I think the first post in this very thread would have shown you different.[/QUOTE]

touche! Heh
 
Just so that we're clear, I wouldn't care if she was an Odinist that had some rule about not standing unless the other person is wielding a sword or whatever, it's just being a pain in the ass.

Is this particular woman the poster child for being a pain in the ass? Nah, there are much worse examples. But she sure seems to pick and choose when to stand and when not to stand based on hether or not it is politically favorable to her situation.
 
[quote name='nasum']Just so that we're clear, I wouldn't care if she was an Odinist that had some rule about not standing unless the other person is wielding a sword or whatever, it's just being a pain in the ass.

Is this particular woman the poster child for being a pain in the ass? Nah, there are much worse examples. But she sure seems to pick and choose when to stand and when not to stand based on hether or not it is politically favorable to her situation.[/QUOTE]

To me it seems like her experience in jail sucked enough that with that as the alternative, she made the decision to stand. So if the judge is happy that he strong-armed her to potentially violate her religious beliefs in order to encourage her to stand, then he should be extremely proud. I'd be proud if the jury comes to the right conclusion, whatever they decide that is, and still feel like the lady was maltreated, guilty of the crime she is accused of, or not.
 
[quote name='berzirk']I'd be proud if the jury comes to the right conclusion, whatever they decide that is, and still feel like the lady was maltreated, guilty of the crime she is accused of, or not.[/QUOTE]

So now it's official that these two terrrorists were pulling a publicity stunt. Any last words from the peanut gallery?
 
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