The Governator wants to send prison inmates to Mexico.

Well then i would assume it would have to be a Mexican prison, or US prison on Mexican soil, similar to Guantanamo i guess.
 
im not sure, though i doubt, we have that kind of agreement with mexico in place. if its a us prison on mexico it makes little sense because we would still be footing the bill.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']im not sure, though i doubt, we have that kind of agreement with mexico in place. if its a us prison on mexico it makes little sense because we would still be footing the bill.[/QUOTE]

Land and labor in Mexico would be a lot cheaper. I dont see this happening as the union is too powerful
 
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California has run out of space for prisoners and money to fund corrections and build more prisons.

Rather than reform corrections, we should send them abroad?

That's terrible.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']California has run out of space for prisoners and money to fund corrections and build more prisons.

Rather than reform corrections, we should send them abroad?

That's terrible.[/QUOTE]

send them abroad? no. send them back where they came from? yes.
 
undocumened immigrants in CA are largely Mexican, yes. But it's wrong to assume they all are, and it's quite crass to say "send them back where they came from."

As for prison privatization, that's a terrible idea.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']undocumened immigrants in CA are largely Mexican, yes. But it's wrong to assume they all are, and it's quite crass to say "send them back where they came from."

As for prison privatization, that's a terrible idea.[/QUOTE]

fair enough. im sure that there are also illegals from other countries in our prisons, im all for deporting them back to their original country of origin as well.

and its quite crass, but thats fine, im not the one that snuck into a country and got thrown into jail. nope, im the tax payer thats funding their beds, food and general up keep.
 
[quote name='Strell']It's too bad Arnold didn't star in Thunderdome. Then he could suggest that.[/QUOTE]

Why didn't he suggest?

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I know how we could solve this, I can actually say something productive here too: Stop sending non-violent drug offenders to jail.

If they just haaavvvee to prosecute Joe Blow smoking a joint in the bathroom, fine him, don't spend money on him. And Treat, not prosecute, people that have problems with real drugs like heroin, crack, etc, etc.
 
[quote name='Zodiii']I know how we could solve this, I can actually say something productive here too: Stop sending non-violent drug offenders to jail.

If they just haaavvvee to prosecute Joe Blow smoking a joint in the bathroom, fine him, don't spend money on him. And Treat, not prosecute, people that have problems with real drugs like heroin, crack, etc, etc.[/QUOTE]

Indeed.
 
california is on track for that to happen. there are a couple of potential ballot measures that could legalize or decriminalize pot this year. well see which, if any, make it on the ballot.
 
Why doesn't the U.S. put prisoners to work? I mean, they're taking up thousands of dollars a year in tax money, why not get something out of them? Most of them could work a 9 to 5 with some supervision. (Serious question here.)
 
They do and they don't, actually - they do take jobs working in the kitchen, custodial, and other positions that directly relate to within-prison needs.

Are you talking about allowing companies to hire them for pennies on the dollar? Like, say, hiring them to work customer support lines for (insert company here)? I'm pretty sure that happens in a small number of states still, but with that comes some awful conflict of interest issues with companies that have a vested interest in maintaining an incarcerated population (paying pennies on the hour beats $7.15 minimum wage).

Plus, with the economy the shape it is, few in the public, I suspect, would want the small number of available jobs going to prisoners.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']They do and they don't, actually - they do take jobs working in the kitchen, custodial, and other positions that directly relate to within-prison needs.

Are you talking about allowing companies to hire them for pennies on the dollar? Like, say, hiring them to work customer support lines for (insert company here)? I'm pretty sure that happens in a small number of states still, but with that comes some awful conflict of interest issues with companies that have a vested interest in maintaining an incarcerated population (paying pennies on the hour beats $7.15 minimum wage).

Plus, with the economy the shape it is, few in the public, I suspect, would want the small number of available jobs going to prisoners.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking more along the lines of the making license plate type jobs. I mean, do prisoners actually do that? Do we still have chain gangs? I mean, cleaning up our roads and highways would be a perfect job for prisoners. Basically anything to help get some of our money's worth.

And yes, with the economy in the shape it's in, I doubt we'd want jobs to go to prisoners. But, creating new jobs for prisoners is easy, as you don't actually have to pay them.

We just need to incorporate the Affirmative Action Plan, like in the Shawshank Redemption. :)
 
Around here the county has guys out cleaning the sides of roads and stuff. I don't know if they get paid, i think it just lessens their time in jail.
 
i think that's a good point, access denied. i'm not sure how far you were thinking of taking it, but privatizing prisons could be awesome if done right. it could just be treated as slave labor -- companies could pay for their legal slaves so long as they meet certain conditions (as to prevent treatment being too poor or too cushy). then, the fee they pay for their slave labor could be spent on government-employed security, to keep it safe and act sort of as inspectors making sure they're meeting whatever conditions were mandated.

it'd be tricky to implement properly and i'm not sure if it'd even work out financially, but it's an interesting idea. to do it with all inmates (and not just the trustees) would require the factory be really safe, though. if some can't even be trusted with plastic spoons then i'm not sure there's any job out there that could be safe. maybe some sort of computer-based work with those waterproof rubber keyboards...
 
nah i was for serious

[quote name='JolietJake']I hope.[/QUOTE]

i dont pretend to be an expert on correcting criminals or anything i'm just expressing my thoughts at a place made for expressing thoughts, i don't see anything wrong with that and i don't see any reason for you to hope my thoughts are different than what i express.

if you have a problem with my thoughts, be constructive about it, discuss what would go wrong, etc.. try to change my thoughts, don't just imply that i shouldn't have them.
 
They used to use prison labour to replant areas that had been deforested, y'know?

Turned out hippies were cheaper and worked harder.
 
[quote name='Koggit']nah i was for serious



i dont pretend to be an expert on correcting criminals or anything i'm just expressing my thoughts at a place made for expressing thoughts, i don't see anything wrong with that and i don't see any reason for you to hope my thoughts are different than what i express.

if you have a problem with my thoughts, be constructive about it, discuss what would go wrong, etc.. try to change my thoughts, don't just imply that i shouldn't have them.[/QUOTE]
Damn man, you got all that from "I hope?":lol:

I'm not going to try telling you what is wrong with your opinion because it should be obvious.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Privatizing prisons and allowing for labor to be conducted in them is a recipe for sure-fire slavery.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but I'm not so opposed to a child-rapist being forced into working for no pay. It's possible for someone to do something so appalling that they lose their rights as a human, at least in my eyes.

But the average Joe Prisoner probably shouldn't be forced into work.
 
[quote name='Zodiii']Agreed, but I'm not so opposed to a child-rapist being forced into working for no pay. It's possible for someone to do something so appalling that they lose their rights as a human, at least in my eyes.

But the average Joe Prisoner probably shouldn't be forced into work.[/QUOTE]

Are you assuming that the person is guilty of the crime he or she is convicted of?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Are you assuming that the person is guilty of the crime he or she is convicted of?[/QUOTE]

Yes, which I guess is actually a terrible presumption. Which makes me woner what the real rate of wrongful sentencing is.

So maybe it's not such a good idea.
 
http://www.lls.edu/academics/faculty/natapoff.html

Alexandra Natapoff won't give you wrongful conviction rates (unless you believe her estimates, which aren't particularly well developed - cut her some slack, she's a law professor). But some of her work does expose how problematic informant culture has become in maintaining high clearance rates even at the expense of wrongful convictions.

Some good case studies in her stuff, but I wholly disagree with her thesis that informant culture *increases* crime rates (i.e., allowing informants to remain on the streets increases crime rates b/c they feel 'untouchable' due to their value to local police, allowing them opportunities to commit crimes and get away with them - mostly limited to, but not only, buying/using drugs).

Anyway, if we knew the wrongful conviction rate, we would invariably not have one, no? ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Anyway, if we knew the wrongful conviction rate, we would invariably not have one, no? ;)[/QUOTE]

A wrongful conviction rate is simply an error rate.

It doesn't cause or prevent errors.
 
related (to knowing about wrongful convictions): i just recently realized how often i'll be talking to someone, they misunderstand my meaning, but i let it go without mention. it makes me wonder how often i misunderstand the meaning of others without ever knowing. or, for that matter, how often do i make illogical decisions? i can never know, it's a bit depressing.
 
[quote name='Koggit']related (to knowing about wrongful convictions): i just recently realized how often i'll be talking to someone, they misunderstand my meaning, but i let it go without mention. it makes me wonder how often i misunderstand the meaning of others without ever knowing. or, for that matter, how often do i make illogical decisions? i can never know, it's a bit depressing.[/QUOTE]

Sure you can. Let people record your every word, thought and action. After a month, I'm sure a baseline could be created.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']send them abroad? no. send them back where they came from? yes.[/QUOTE]

:applause::applause::applause: Amen. It would also help if the government would stop giving exemptions to every illegal that either gets some ditzy broad knocked up or somehow gets her to marry him just to save :cry:(boo hoo) breaking up a family.

If the dippy chick loves him so much, deport her ass with him, let's see how they fare over the border together and how long that 'love' lasts.

Personally, I'd rather if they sent illegals back into Mexico Robot Chicken style with catapults and Hulk Hogan hosting it as a TV show.:lol:
 
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