The Half Life 2: Episode 1 topic

[quote name='CaseyRyback']how many shooters charge full price and are less than 10 hours (Doom 3, FEAR, etc)? 20 dollars for 5 hours of gameplay seems pretty fair to me. Plus the commentary track makes it worth an extra playthrough.

Also it has been known for a while that it was only going to be between 4 and 6 hours, and considering that this is what most single player expansions tend to provide, it seems like a pretty good deal to me.[/quote]

IMO, I don't think that a 5 hour linear game that you download for $20 should be the accepted norm. I'll be the first to admit, I'd rather have a good short ride than a long artifically padded adventure . I dunno, I probably shouldn't be so vocal, seeing as I didn't go "for the whole ride" myself. I think what's bumming me out, compounded with the price, is the amount of time we waited for this. I don't understand why they couldn't deliver something, basically, the same length as the first one. What the hell have they been doing for a year and a half? They already had the basic engine.

The main problem I have with this expansion being so short is that there isn't much in the way of replayablity in Half Life, also, so I'm taking that into consideration in my decision (at this time, at least) to not purchase it. At least in FarCry you could try different paths and such. Now that was a meaty game.
 
[quote name='coltyhuxx']IMO, I don't think that a 5 hour linear game that you download for $20 should be the accepted norm. I'll be the first to admit, I'd rather have a good short ride than a long artifically padded adventure . I dunno, I probably shouldn't be so vocal, seeing as I didn't go "for the whole ride" myself. I think what's bumming me out, compounded with the price, is the amount of time we waited for this. I don't understand why they couldn't deliver something, basically, the same length as the first one. What the hell have they been doing for a year and a half? They already had the basic engine.

The main problem I have with this expansion being so short is that there isn't much in the way of replayablity in Half Life, also, so I'm taking that into consideration in my decision (at this time, at least) to not purchase it. At least in FarCry you could try different paths and such. Now that was a meaty game.[/QUOTE]

The basic engine, as for as I know, has been heavily overhauled since Half Life 2, which could add to the delays.

Like Casey said, it was announced LOOOOOOOOONG ago the expansion would only be 4 - 6 hours, and downloading it isn't the only way to get it. I paid $15 for mine at Target, and 5 hours is a decent amount... hell, Call of Duty 2 isn't much longer and that's $40 - $50, same with Quake 4. The Doom 3 expansion was short, as well.

This is an expansion, not a new game, so of course it's not going to be the same length as HL 2, that makes no sense. Again, like Casey said, most expansions are only 4 - 6 hours... Half Life: Opposing Force was this same amount as well back in the day, along with other numerous expansions.

You said yourself that you enjoyed a short ride over something drawn out, so I'm not quite getting what you want.
 
I spoke to my friend in depth about this game over the past hour. Hopefully no one will consider this as a spoiler as it's just a list of things the game doesn't have. I don't reveal anything the game "has". I think you'll be fine to read this if you haven't played (but just in case):


No new weapons.

NPC AI is not as amazing as some are touting..for instance when you back up Alyx won't move when she's behind you. Sometimes it can take a long time for her to figure it out while you're nudging her. Still, better than a lot of games but not as flawless (at all) as people are touting.

Basically no new creatures (two.. one is creative and the other you don't really directly fight).

No new vehicles. In fact, no vehicles.

Almost all reused textures with a little primping here and there... citadel and city.. yawn.

Come on guys, are you this easily sated? I'm not trying to $hit on anyone's opinion or good time but we waited a YEAR AND A HALF!!This expansion sounds like a crock of shit. Again, before any pro Half-Lifers flame the hell out of me, I'm just trying to discuss the other side of the coin here rationally. I think CAG'ers that haven't purchased this yet need to hear both sides. Regardless, I am putting on my flame retardant jacket and hat.
 
Just about finished with the game, just got past the escort part. I had read a lot of people were having trouble with that part, but I didn't find it very difficult.

The game is very well done overall, Having Alyx as a companion throughout the game makes it feel like a coop game almost and the AI for her is done very well. The game does a great job of intergrating puzzles into the action, some of the puzzle solving is frantic but that just makes it more exciting IMO.

There are some great shootouts as well. You fight an airship that is circling around you while you are in a wood building. As it fires at you the bullets destroy more and more of the building roof and the floor you stand on, but you can't really get a good rocket off at the airship until it destroys more of the roof above you. It just makes the fight that much more intense and just an example of great game design.

I did find the underground section to be somewhat long, and it is dissapointing that you are going through the same types of areas you went through in Half Life 2. Also I would have liked some more new enemy types, it is mostly the same stuff you fight in Half Life 2. It will probably take me 4 hours in total, I breezed through most of the game, but I didn't mind the short length, especially since I only paid ~$12 (pre-ordered from Buy.com a long time ago), although it does seem like it took them longer than it should have since they already have the engine.

Overall I highly recommend the game, it is a great followup to Half Life 2.
 
no new creatures really should not be a knock. The story sets up so that you have to enter the citadel and then head back out. It would not make any sense to have too many new enemies. The Zombines fit because the explosion probably caused them to occur and the stalkers fit as well, since they were seen in the citadel in half life 2 (i believe). If they stuck in a bunch of new characters it would have been horrible IMO because the fluidity would have been completely out of whack and people would have wondered where in the hell they were in HL2 considering this takes place in the same city.


no vehicles makes sense as well because you are not traveling any distance and you really can't drive anywhere within the citadel. When you play the story the whole thing is setup so that you are trying to get to a train. If they would have given you a vehicle it would have made the impact of catching the train less and would have also made fixing the core in the citadel seem less necessary. No vehicles had to occur for the plot to be coherent.


HDR lighting is all over the place and the amount of stuff they did to the source engine really had to take a lot of work. Again the commentary track is really helpful in explaining all the stuff they did. Especially with all the stuff they did with Alyx. Alyx was really helpful and a great AI buddy. Anyone expecting someone to be better than her, is really expecting too much IMO.

Also as far as the wait goes for this game and the shortness. Lets not forget that they released the Lost Coast and Day of Defeat Source, both testing out new technology.

you should try playing the game before completly bashing all its faults. Pretty much everything you listed would have not worked within the confines of the game, and the time it took them to make an expansion was really not all that long considering most are not working with new technology and pretty much rely on all the same mechanics of the previous game, which half life 2 does not do completely.
 
Another heads up... this game is $7.99 (!!!!!!!!!!) at Circuit City next week. Time to take back the one I just bought at Target.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']
no new creatures really should not be a knock. The story sets up so that you have to enter the citadel and then head back out. It would not make any sense to have too many new enemies. The Zombines fit because the explosion probably caused them to occur and the stalkers fit as well, since they were seen in the citadel in half life 2 (i believe). If they stuck in a bunch of new characters it would have been horrible IMO because the fluidity would have been completely out of whack and people would have wondered where in the hell they were in HL2 considering this takes place in the same city.


no vehicles makes sense as well because you are not traveling any distance and you really can't drive anywhere within the citadel. When you play the story the whole thing is setup so that you are trying to get to a train. If they would have given you a vehicle it would have made the impact of catching the train less and would have also made fixing the core in the citadel seem less necessary. No vehicles had to occur for the plot to be coherent.


HDR lighting is all over the place and the amount of stuff they did to the source engine really had to take a lot of work. Again the commentary track is really helpful in explaining all the stuff they did. Especially with all the stuff they did with Alyx. Alyx was really helpful and a great AI buddy. Anyone expecting someone to be better than her, is really expecting too much IMO.

Also as far as the wait goes for this game and the shortness. Lets not forget that they released the Lost Coast and Day of Defeat Source, both testing out new technology.

you should try playing the game before completly bashing all its faults. Pretty much everything you listed would have not worked within the confines of the game, and the time it took them to make an expansion was really not all that long considering most are not working with new technology and pretty much rely on all the same mechanics of the previous game, which half life 2 does not do completely.[/quote]

You can put all the technology you want into a game. This does not make it a good game or experience. I suppose we can agree to disagree (as I appear to be in the minority here) but I want more than five hours of gameplay for twenty dollars. Yes, your points above are well taken, however IMO it was Valves responsibility to fit new creatures, vehicles, environments into the existing game. I know, I ask the world. Take us somewhere Valve... show us something. (And yes, I did see some cool moments, I'm not mercilessly bashing the game.. justing stating "IMO")

I will quote my friend Matt, "The best part of a game should not be the trailer for the next episode."
 
[quote name='coltyhuxx']we waited a YEAR AND A HALF!![/quote]

This is the mentality that's steering you wrong.
 
All I know is that Valve and Steam can kiss my ass with their whole digital distrubution garbage.

This game will be $8 at CC next week... I would be pissed as hell if I preordered this off of Steam.
 
[quote name='Vegan']This is the mentality that's steering you wrong.[/quote]

How is this mentality wrong.. to expect a product to have more content after such a long wait?

I just played through it and I totally agree with Coltyhuxx's points. $20 was too much for this game. It should have been $10... $12 at the most. The content and innovation (apart from graphics) just weren't there.

Come on, I've played free demos longer than this. :bomb:
 
Well then, if anything, the lesson for the future is to not pay full MSRP over Steam. The $12 and $8 sale prices have proven that this complaint can be averted; we didn't know what to expect this first time.
 
Yeah, that kinda pisses me off. NO ONE had it discounted on release date. It makes sense from a business perspective, why put it on sale for the people who can't wait on release day and are going to buy it anyway? But I still hate the retailers for it.
 
it wouldn't have been a big deal IMO but fucking best buy did not get this in stock on the day they said they would and then did not even get them in the next day (since you can PM up to 30 days I believe)
 
[quote name='Vegan']Cliff hangers are awesome.[/QUOTE]

Not when you're dealing with Valve's patented lateness for a follow-up.
 
Just finished it yesterday and it was great. I tried to prolong it as long as I could by only playing a hour a day or so. That was torture but the game was pretty amazing.
 
If you buy the game at retail, do you have to have the cd in your drive to play it?

That's the one thing I liked about steam-you didn't have to worry about using the disc.
 
[quote name='2&2']If you buy the game at retail, do you have to have the cd in your drive to play it?

That's the one thing I liked about steam-you didn't have to worry about using the disc.[/quote]

You don't for HL2 or Sin Eps...
 
Finished it. I'd be damn pissed if I had paid TWENTY BUCKS for that, but I only paid about 15. Next time I'll know to just wait a few weeks and I can get it for like $10.

Regardless, not a bad game - my main gripe was this episode was way too Doom-ish. I must have had my flashlight on for 75% of the game, no matter how much I adjusted the brightness. Yes, it's "scary" when you're walking in the dark and you hear a black headcrab's hissing/chirping, but I was really hoping for more Combine battles like we had in HL2. Hopefully Episode 2 will get out of the zombie/headcrab heavy combat. However, having no vehicle segments was nice.

Can't recommend anyone buy this off Steam, but that ultra-cheap deal mentioned above is well worth it.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Regardless, not a bad game - my main gripe was this episode was way too Doom-ish. I must have had my flashlight on for 75% of the game, no matter how much I adjusted the brightness. Yes, it's "scary" when you're walking in the dark and you hear a black headcrab's hissing/chirping, but I was really hoping for more Combine battles like we had in HL2. Hopefully Episode 2 will get out of the zombie/headcrab heavy combat. However, having no vehicle segments was nice.[/quote]

But the battery added a great element.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Finished it. I'd be damn pissed if I had paid TWENTY BUCKS for that, but I only paid about 15. Next time I'll know to just wait a few weeks and I can get it for like $10.

Regardless, not a bad game - my main gripe was this episode was way too Doom-ish. I must have had my flashlight on for 75% of the game, no matter how much I adjusted the brightness. Yes, it's "scary" when you're walking in the dark and you hear a black headcrab's hissing/chirping, but I was really hoping for more Combine battles like we had in HL2. Hopefully Episode 2 will get out of the zombie/headcrab heavy combat. However, having no vehicle segments was nice.

Can't recommend anyone buy this off Steam, but that ultra-cheap deal mentioned above is well worth it.[/QUOTE]


Well, at least Gordon Freeman can carry a flashlight AND a weapon at the same time. :p
 
The game has been fun so far. It's also been a little hard. I ran out of ammo a lot more than I'm used to. I've also been having to deal with the fact that valve games do not agree with my computer. I've tried almost everything in the steam support. I even turned off the audio hardware acceleration. That caused even more problems. Before It only locked up on loading screens and looping audio. I'm starting to get annoyed.
 
[quote name='Kayden']You don't for HL2 or Sin Eps...[/quote]

So I'm still confused, can you play this without the disc like other steam stuff?
 
Or you could be weird like me by preloading the game, buying it at retail, activate it with the included CD Key, then play, without ever having to use the DVD.

I do this because you never know when having the original DVD may come in handy. I know Valve has plans to disable their authentication servers in case they ever go bankrupt, but still...

-HM
 
[quote name='Hollow Man']Or you could be weird like me by preloading the game, buying it at retail, activate it with the included CD Key, then play, without ever having to use the DVD.

I do this because you never know when having the original DVD may come in handy. I know Valve has plans to disable their authentication servers in case they ever go bankrupt, but still...

-HM[/quote]

But if they disable them, then you still can't play the game because it needs to be authenticated even off a disk.
 
The point would be that they would release a version of Steam that wouldn't bother to check the authentication servers.

-HM
 
[quote name='Hollow Man']The point would be that they would release a version of Steam that wouldn't bother to check the authentication servers.

-HM[/quote]

Or they wouldn't.

Think about it, they'd be going out of business. They wouldn't care if we couldn't play their 10 year old games.
 
You have to go through the forums at steampowered.com. They've already stated that they've developed and will release that version of Steam in case they go belly-up.

Whether it happens or not is another story.

-HM
 
I just got it for $8, and from what I've read, it's going to be a very well spent $8.


edit: I just got around to playing and installing it and beat it in just shy of 5 hours.
I'm personally very satisfied the with the game, esp the part with
gunship shooting down at you throught the roof) and the final fight against the Strider. I also really liked the emotion in Alex's voice at the very end when everything is going white and she whispers "Gordon"

who else can't wait for Ep 2?:D
 
[quote name='Kayden']Few weeks? i got it for $8 yesturday. :cool:[/QUOTE]

i got damned lucky to find it at CC restocked so quickly..... great game...too bad it hates my on board motherboard sound chip as it tends to crash to desktop or reboot my system every once and awhile. :(

other games play fine..
 
I just finished it. Sure as hell glad I only spent $8. It was a fucking great game for $8!

$20, not so much. But 8 dollah...


Now I want Ep 2.... :joystick:
 
[quote name='Kayden']I just finished it. Sure as hell glad I only spent $8. It was a fucking great game for $8!

$20, not so much. But 8 dollah...


Now I want Ep 2.... :joystick:[/QUOTE]

well your damned lucky to play it at all... this is current the only game that takes a shit inside my machine everytime i load it up... it either locks it up on title menu, stutters to lock on title menu, immediatly lock IF i get as far as loading up a game.

fuck
 
Yea, it does that to me also. I get lockups on looping sounds and loading screens. It really bugs me that it does this when I have a pretty decent machine.
 
[quote name='erehwon']Yea, it does that to me also. I get lockups on looping sounds and loading screens. It really bugs me that it does this when I have a pretty decent machine.[/QUOTE]

I think the shit started happening when they added the lost coast and HDR updates :( because before I could run half life 2 and hl2:MP with NO PROBLEMS... actually I was able to run HL2 AND two instances of SWG at the same time :O

my specs are
P4-3ghz
2gigs of ram
4 hard drives (60,80,200,300-sata)
sony dvd burner
use to have the sb live 5.1 card but I pulled that out cause it was acting wierd on me, so now im using the onboard sound chip of my mb. Could that be the problem?
 
On board sound can take up a fair amount of CPU cycles, unless you're using something like NVIDIA NForce2 Soundstorm. Try disabling the sound chip and see what happens.

-HM
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']actually I was able to run HL2 AND two instances of SWG at the same time :O
[/quote]

Good god, who can live at that speed?!
 
I finished it. I'm half way through the commentary. I loved every minute. I thought many of the new puzzles were a good tweaked spin on some of the good parts of HL2. I'm looking forward to the new environments hinted at in the trailer for EP2.

I think that $20 was totally worth it, and that considering you got a few online goodies with it as well, along with not having to own HL2 to play...it was a great deal. I think maybe Valve should offer a loyalty discount for those who keep buying their stuff.

I have to agree with Tycho @ Penny-Arcade's assessment. He equated it to the Half-Life 2, extended club remixes album. It's all the good parts off the original, hyped up and represented.

Anyway...I'm ready for the next one. I'm also hoping that they get a few more episodic content vendors into Steam....I could go for playing 2 or 3 titles based on the Source engine if they're deliver ing somethign every other month or so.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I'm honestly not that excited about this... Half Life 2 was okay... but I didn't think it was anywhere near as good as stuff like FEAR or Far Cry. And there's the fact that I absolutely hate everything about activating via Steam. But yeah, I'm sorta interested to find out how it turns out.[/quote]

Half Life 2 was genuis i think the Physics system (which you can screw around with in the free GMOD) is better than any XBOX 360 game or other PC games that I've played.

I think I'm gonna wait for all the episodes come out and buy it all together.
I'm thinking steam will have some sort of package deal.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']I think the shit started happening when they added the lost coast and HDR updates :( because before I could run half life 2 and hl2:MP with NO PROBLEMS... actually I was able to run HL2 AND two instances of SWG at the same time :O

my specs are
P4-3ghz
2gigs of ram
4 hard drives (60,80,200,300-sata)
sony dvd burner
use to have the sb live 5.1 card but I pulled that out cause it was acting wierd on me, so now im using the onboard sound chip of my mb. Could that be the problem?[/quote]

crap thats alot of hard drive.

i personaly have a dual core AMD processor that is smooth
 
I think these are my computer's specs:

Dell Dimension
Intel(R)
Pentium(R) 4CPU 2.80GHZ
2.7GHz, 504 MB of RAM
Physical Address Extension

That is all it says on the "View System Information" Window. Is that good, bad, 50-50, etc?

Also, What would you guys say is the best mouse for this Game?
 
[quote name='pop311']I think these are my computer's specs:

Dell Dimension
Intel(R)
Pentium(R) 4CPU 2.80GHZ
2.7GHz, 504 MB of RAM
Physical Address Extension

That is all it says on the "View System Information" Window. Is that good, bad, 50-50, etc?

Also, What would you guys say is the best mouse for this Game?[/QUOTE]

Do you know what video card you have? If you have a dell it is possible it is just onboard video.
 
[quote name='msdmoney']Do you know what video card you have? If you have a dell it is possible it is just onboard video.[/quote] I don't know.I'm not sure if this means anything, but I think I have at least a DirectX7.0.
 
[quote name='pop311']I don't know.I'm not sure if this means anything, but I think I have at least a DirectX7.0.[/quote]
I should hope so, DirectX 7 was released in 1999.
 
[quote name='arbiter']I finished it. I'm half way through the commentary. I loved every minute. I thought many of the new puzzles were a good tweaked spin on some of the good parts of HL2. I'm looking forward to the new environments hinted at in the trailer for EP2.

I think that $20 was totally worth it, and that considering you got a few online goodies with it as well, along with not having to own HL2 to play...it was a great deal. I think maybe Valve should offer a loyalty discount for those who keep buying their stuff.

I have to agree with Tycho @ Penny-Arcade's assessment. He equated it to the Half-Life 2, extended club remixes album. It's all the good parts off the original, hyped up and represented.

Anyway...I'm ready for the next one. I'm also hoping that they get a few more episodic content vendors into Steam....I could go for playing 2 or 3 titles based on the Source engine if they're deliver ing somethign every other month or so.[/QUOTE]

Why would you ever buy anything from Steam when the games go on sale for $7.99 at Circuit City... Valve dosen't have loyalty to anyone except their own pockets.
 
[quote name='sfriedlander']crap thats alot of hard drive.

i personaly have a dual core AMD processor that is smooth[/QUOTE]

when you do motion graphics and video editing, yea that stuff will eat you hard drive up like candy. I just finished copying all the videos from my friends TIVO. 100 GIGS of data and I still have to edit it out so thats going to add more space usage :(
 
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