The Iron Sheik's wrestling topic

Super Dragon missed PWG's All Star Weekend yesterday. In his place, PWG flew in Low-Ki, who defeated Bryan Danielson to become the new PWG Champion in about 26 minutes. At the next PWG show (Jan. 27th), El Generico will wrestle Low-Ki for the title.
 
[quote name='JJSP']Super Dragon missed PWG's All Star Weekend yesterday. In his place, PWG flew in Low-Ki, who defeated Bryan Danielson to become the new PWG Champion in about 26 minutes. At the next PWG show (Jan. 27th), El Generico will wrestle Low-Ki for the title.[/quote]
Dude any word on how Dragon vs. Low-Ki was?! I would kill to see Generico v. Low-ki!

Also Erick Stevens is in line for a MAJOR push in RoH.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Dude any word on how Dragon vs. Low-Ki was?! I would kill to see Generico v. Low-ki!

Also Erick Stevens is in line for a MAJOR push in RoH.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='PWG Forums'](1) Low-Ki beat PWG champion Bryan Danielson at 26:10 to capture the PWG Title. Excellent pro wrestling match, as would be expected from Danielson and Low-Ki. Stiff, but safe. Big spot early was Senshi nailing a running kick to the head at 16:30 after Danielson was cocky in thinking he could take Low-Ki easily. Danielson had a good amount of offense throughout, then went for the elbow strikes to the shoulders at 24:00 that had the crowd on its feet. Low-Ki escaped, though, then nailed a double foot stomp with Danielson hanging upside down in the corner. Low-Ki then returned the favor with elbow strikes of his own before applying a Dragon Sleeper for a tap-out that got a huge reaction. (****1/2) [/QUOTE]
The match was the opening contest of night one. Low-Ki was a surprise fly-in (the match was supposed to be CIMA vs Dragon, but the Dragon Gate guys were running late.) CIMA vs Dragon happened on night two instead, with Dragon taking the loss. Since PWG cuts out entrances on their DVD's, Ki used the PWG theme song to enter, allowing them to keep the full segment on the DVD. Nice move, PWG.

Hero and Necro had an absolute war with Claudio and Kingston that was all over the building. At one point, Necro found a soda can and tried stabbing Claudio with it.
 
Samoa Joe says -

Happy New Year,

You know it seems I get a lot of Indy and fledgling pro wrestlers who write to me asking for some general advice about how to thrive and improve so I thought I would post a blog for easy reference. Enjoy, I hope.

TIPS for STARTING OUT

Tip 1: When you begin your training ASSUME NOTHING. I don't care how many behind the scenes documentaries you've watched, how many subscriptions you have to Newsletters, or how many shoot interviews you have watched, you know nothing about actually wrestling. Show up in shape with some cardio to boot. 40 mins 4 x a week brisk JOG (no walking) should be a goal. Also begin doing simple Hindu Squats in your home at night a few hours before bed. Start with with 150 (straight NO STOPPING) and as you get stronger work towards the eventual Japanese workout warm up standard of 500-600. Inoki would often regale us in the dojo that he would do 2000 a day and I would think to myself "Damn that seems a bit excessive", then again he owns his own island and I rent a condo on the Beach..... Advantage Inoki


Tip 2: Find a reputable trainer with actual world/money making experience. Many people will take the easy cheapest route to start wrestling but in reality you get what you pay for. If you inevitably DO take that route always be looking to continue your education beyond the realms of where you start. SO MANY TIMES I see wrestlers who have received LACKLUSTER training who have convinced themselves they have paid there "dues" and are done training. Newsflash YOU ARE NEVER DONE TRAINING! If you think that there is nothing left to learn you most likely SUCK and will never amount to anything. As for schools I recommend, Booker T's PWA in Texas, Team 3D's School in Florida, Lance Storms School in Canada, and Les Thatcher's in the Midwest. DO not ask ME for contact information, do your own research. If you can't do some SIMPLE research to start your career then I don't want your deadbeat ass in my industry.

Tip 3: LISTEN and ask Questions only when unsure. It's amazing how much more you can learn when you shut your mouth and listen. Often times you will be in a drill line waiting your turn. SHUT YOUR F%$!& MOUTH! Do not take that opportunity to talk to the guy in line next to you. A smart man learns from his mistakes but a wise man learns from the mistakes of others too. As a former trainer there is NOTHING worse and more time consuming then correcting the same mistake for 15 different people during class. If they would have seen me correct me the 1st guy in line and made the proper adjustments so much more time could have been dedicated to learning MORE in a session rather than committing time to 1 mistake over and over again. When you don't pay attention you are just hurting yourself. Conversely if attempting something you feel is potentially dangerous, don't be afraid to pause and ask a question.

Tips for current wrestlers

Tip 1: If you want to advance in your career you have to FIND opportunity, it does NOT find you. I get so many e-mails from wrestlers asking me how they can get exposure, but at the same time they tell me they have all these things that make it impossible for them to travel and find the work and exposure that they need. Guess what, YOU LOSE. With any success comes greater sacrifice. You have to honestly ask yourself what you are willing to trade for success in wrestling. Please know when you ask yourself this question it is important you be honest with yourself. If your family is supportive then that is a HUGE boost but at the same time sacrifice does not guarantee success. Wrestling owes you nothing and it will remind you of that often.

Tip 2: You do not need an agent on the Indy's. Many times the schools you train at will try and coerce you into having them become your agent and take a booking fee for booking you out. They will also try and dictate where you can and cannot wrestle. Riiiight.

Tip 3: Sending unsolicited tapes in my opinion does not work. This does not work for a few reasons.
1) Everyone who views these tapes knows that a highlight package can make ANYONE no matter how much they suck, look really good.
2) Most unsolicited tapes find there way into a cardboard box in the corner of an office because people really have NO TIME to watch them all.
If a Terry Taylor, Johnny Ace, Gabe Sapolski does ask you for a tape, then I recommend this format. A short out of character intro give your name, true height and weight, work name, your current city and state of residence (your locale is more important than you realize).
After your intro include your two best matches. When picking these matches take into account crowd interaction and reaction. A tape of you wrestling in font of a hot crowd will do you worlds better than a match you felt you hit a move perfect in. Wrestling scouts have SEEN IT ALL and nothing you will do technically is going to impress them. They are looking for someone who they feel the fans will take to and will hopefully sell tix/PPV's. Once again you will come to the realization that the Wrestling Business becomes less about wrestling and more about business the more you advance in your career.
Please include two of your best promos also. If the promos coincide with the matches you have sent then that is a bonus. In bookers minds the link between matches and the promos is an important one. Showing the ability to have one lend to the other makes you a more attractive acquisition. Now at the end of your tape if you feel the need to add a few clips you feel are impressive then please do so. NO MUSIC VIDEOS!!!!! And keep the clips to a minimum.

Well that just a few tips that I can offer I hope this helps.
Best of Luck


S. Joe

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In other news -

The more I read about this, the more I believe this Nigel thing might be a work.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]An Emotional Time For Nigel
Sunday, January 06, 2008

One moment after this http://www.rohvideos.com/watch?v=qultHHk9FrI ROH World Champion Nigel McGuinness walked through the curtain, crumpled into a corner of a dark hallway and had tears fill his eyes. Nigel's World Title reign has been a roller coaster of frustration and all the emotions came crashing down on him in Manhattan on December 30th after his in ring promo. Here is what led to that moment:

-October 5th: Nigel McGuinness wins the ROH World Title to a phenomenal response from the crowd that must be seen. Nigel's dream of hearing the words "NEW World Champion" is interrupted by a display of disrespect by Bryan Danielson.

-October 19th: Roderick Strong continues the disrespect by interrupting McGuinness' first promo as World Champion in front of the live crowd.

-Mid-October: Nigel's left biceps tear putting the World Title reign he dreamed of his entire life in jeopardy. All the sacrifices throughout the years might be for nothing.

-Nov. 2nd & 3rd: Nigel must miss the two biggest shows of the year. He ends up wrestling Chris Hero on Nov. 2nd, but Nigel wanted to do much more that weekend. This was an opportunity to make his reign in both the United States and Japan. Some fans begin to question Nigel as World Champion when he is unable to defend the belt on 11/3 in Manhattan.

-Nov. 3rd-Dec. 27th: More fans begin to have doubts about Nigel as World Champion. The criticism reaches Nigel. However, McGuinness concentrates on rehabbing his left biceps and letting all his other bumps and bruises heal. McGuinness is focused on the Manhattan doubleshot at the end of December. He knows he can shut up any doubters then.

-November 30th & December 1st: Two more shows pass and Nigel can only wrestle a short, non-title match. To add insult to injury, Chris Hero lays out Nigel on each night with the Hero's Welcome. Doubt continues to grow among the fanbase, but Nigel stays strong and focuses on Manhattan at the end of December.

-Dec. 28th: Nigel says goodbye to his family in England and gets on a plane for Manhattan. Nigel is excited and ready to quiet any doubters with two big World Title defenses. However, he is feeling a little warm and not in a good way.

-Dec. 28th eight hours later: Nigel wakes up as his flight lands, but a sick feeling aches from head to toe. Nigel discovers he has a 102 degree fever. He informs ROH officials of being ill, but insists he will be ready to wrestle. Nigel finally reaches his hotel room and hopes to feel better after a long sleep. Anxiety fills Nigel as he drifts off because he knows he has to be 100% to get through this weekend as Champion and prove his critics wrong.

-Dec. 29th: Nigel wakes up after 12 hours and feels somewhat better. He figures he'll be good enough to wrestle. He has to be. Nigel and Aries tear down the house with a dramatic World Title Match. McGuinness retains, but there is no joy after the match. He knows that he is injured. After seeing the commission doctor he heads to the hospital. 35 stitches, a concussion and broken nose later, Nigel calls ROH officials at 6:30am and informs them of his situation. There is no way he can wrestle on the Sunday show.

-Dec. 30th: After a morning of terrible sleep, Nigel wakes up around 11am and prepares to head to the building. He still has a temperature, his head is throbbing, his eye stings and he is in a foggy cloud. Nigel gets himself together as best he can and heads over to the Manhattan Center.

-Dec. 30th two hours later: ROH officials and Nigel McGuinness have a meeting. The physical, mental and emotional pain are all taking their toll. McGuinness is heart broken that he can't wrestle. He wants nothing more than to perform in front of the NYC fans and give them their money's worth. The idea that he can't is hurting him worse than any stitches or any pounding in his head.

-Dec. 30th three hours later: The event starts. Nigel listens as Bobby Cruise announces that Nigel won't be able to compete. McGuinness hears the boos. He sees some fans throw up their arms in disgust and disappointment. He has never felt worse.

-Dec. 30th ninety minutes later: Intermission is coming to an end. Nigel has sat in his locker room alone for close to an hour. He feels the pressure building in him. He is being assaulted on all fronts. Mentally, he wonders if deserves the belt. Emotionally, he feels like he has let everyone down. Physically, he is still in a cloudy, achy state. As the second half starts Nigel leaves his locker room and hunts down ROH officials. He tells them that he is going to the ring cause he has something to say. Nigel doesn't know if he'll be champion when he comes back through the curtain.

This all brings up to Nigel's 12/30 promo which can be seen by clicking the link at the top of this article or by going to ROHvideos.com. Nigel McGuinness and his World Title reign have become the most controversial thing in ROH. Now he's finding out what being the top man in a promotion entails. All this is just making him more determined than ever to build his legacy as ROH World Champion.

footnote: Nigel McGuinness will defend the belt on 1/25 in his old stomping grounds of Dayton inside a Steel Cage against Chris Hero.

footnote: If McGuinness makes it past Hero, he will defend the belt on 1/26 in Chicago against Roderick Strong. McGuinness vs. Strong will take place even if the World Title is not on the line.

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Reminds me, as a matter of fact, of the early 1990's feud b/w Ric Flair and Vader, where they started off the PPV at Flair's house as he left his family to go to what would surely be his early demise at the hands of Vader. It was well done by any promotion's standards back in 1992.
 
Randy Orton stepping up?!

After a backstage incident in Iraq, there are several people within WWE who now see Randy Orton as something of a locker room leader. Orton is viewed as one of the few guys who don’t take crap from HHH and Shawn Michaels.

The backstage incident in Iraq, of all places, involved Umaga having tights made for his match and the seamstress telling him he couldn’t use those colors because they are HHH’s colors, but he insisted on it.

Michaels threw a fit about Umaga’s tights when he saw him go through the curtain and Orton was the only one who stood up for Umaga. Orton is said to have the same attitude that Michaels used to, but since Orton has stood up to people that a lot of the locker room doesn’t like, and knows they would loose their jobs if they stood up to them, Orton has become popular.
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Randy Orton on the Industry! -
I'm young, I'm good at what I do. Hopefully, me being young and good at what I do opens the door for other people in this business who are at a young age and accelerating at a high rate. Talent like Mr Kennedy, John Cena, Bobby Lashley, Shelton Benjamin, Brian Kendrick and Paul London.

I would like to take the game away from the guys in the over 40 club -Triple H, Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker. It's at the point where their bodies are so broken down, they can't really hang with the younger guys. We have our injuries, we make our mistakes - personal and professional - and we learn from them. What I would like to bring to the industry is the next generation of men and women to represent athleticism, attitude, charisma, and the overall perception of being young talent as opposed to (laughs) old, balding talent.
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Whether I'm winning or losing, I'd like to leave all the fans believing I was the most talented in the ring. We all know it's entertainment. It's not necessarily real. You get hurt a lot, so it's not fake, but at the same time, we go out there and bust our humps to put on a good show. I feel this younger generation can bring to the table a more intense, aggressive, athletic style of wrestling.

Q: What moves does a wrestler have to make to be standout star in the WWE?
A: Growing up in the business was one of my biggest breaks because I got my foot in the door. Other people have to pay money to learn how to wrestle and, a lot of times, get ripped off because they go to the wrong people. There aren't a lot of people in the industry who know what they're doing, let alone those who can actually teach. I think there are only 10 people, myself included, of course, who truly know what they're doing. I feel sorry for people who spend money to learn how to wrestle. I didn't have to to do that, so I didn't pay any dues in that repsect. But I paid them in other ways, countless ways. I got handed an opportunity, but what I did with that was up to me. It takes something special to be a star in this business because there are a lot of guys who are in and out quickly. You forget about them while they're still here. The real trick is to have longeivity in this industry. If you can stick it out for five or six years in this business, chances are you know what you're doing.

Q: What advice did you get from your father (wrestler Cowboy Bob Orton) and grandfather (wrestler Bob Orton Sr) about what to do, and what not to do?
A: My dad always said: 'Save your money.' My grandpa said: 'Watch out for the other guys.' Everyone has a gun pointed at you. It's whether you give them a bullet to use. I keep my mouth shut and I don't get too personal with everybody because it's competitive. The best friend I travel down the road with would love to see me break my leg because they'd have a chance to get my spot. It's like any other sport. When someone gets hurt, injured, suspended, in trouble - it opens up opportunities for other people. It's a shame, but it's a very cut-throat business.

Q: Your mother was concerned about you choosing a wrestling career. What were her worries?
A: My mum was concerned I'd be gone from my family, like my dad was. And that I'd be living with the temptations that come with travel and having people adore, hate, love or despise you.

Q: Speaking of which - you married Samatha Speno in September. How's that going?
A: I've been married two months and I've only been home seven nights with my wife. That sucks. My wife is a beautiful and strong woman. She puts up with a lot. She has got the full-time job of being a housewife. I've got the part-time job of busting my body so that we can live in the house we do, she can wear the $40,000 watch she wears and she can drive an Escalade.I'm busting my hump so that it can be possible.

Q: What was your perception of marriage, and does it measure up?
A: We were engaged for two years and lived together for three. I didn't think anything would change, but it has. I have a new respect for her. Being able to call her wife is - alone - awesome. Being able to say: 'I miss my wife,' or: 'I need to call my wife.' She's my wife. I'm responsible for her more than ever.

Q: You've said Triple H really understands the psychology of wrestling. What do you mean?
A: Triple H is the best at getting fans to react a certain way. He knows when it's the right time to do certain things as far as getting fans to either jump down your throat or cheer for you. Triple H and The Undertaker are both good at it. And it's ironic because I said they were too old for this business. I suppose with their ancient ages comes experience (laughs).

Q: What is the reality of your WWE life? What do you go through daily?
A: It's rough and it's tiring. I had three hours sleep last night, not because I chose to go out, but because that's what we were allotted to have. We don't have an off-season and we pay for our own rental cars, food and hotels. My expenses are well over $US100,000 ($113,500), sometimes double that. But I spend that so I can work here. They say we are self-employed but, at the same time, we have to be somewhere on time, and we have to dress a certain way. Obviously, I'm a bit of a rebel (Orton grins and tugs on the Gold's Gym singlet he is wearing), but f--- the dress code. It's retarded. The travel sucks, injuries suck but you can't complain because where else do you go to wrestle? Where else do you go to be on TV in tights, with knee pads and shark skin boots and have people go: `Yay!'? Nowhere! You don't bitch because this is the only place to make money doing what we do.

Q: You've been a babyface (hero) and heel (villain) in your career. What are your observations about both sides?
A: Being a babyface sucks, unless you're 300 pounds like Batista, or a character everbody wants to see live, like The Undertaker, or Hulk Hogan, who has charisma. Maybe it's because I'm not good at it, or I'm a d---head in real life. It's easy for me to go out there and be a pr-ck on the show because it's me times 10. And even though you probably don't like me anyway, give me five minutes, and I'll make you not like me more. Being a heel is fun. It comes so natural.

Q: Your character has done some outrageous things. How did you approach the incident, before a match against Rey Mysterio, where you publicly said the late wrestler Eddie Guerrero is in hell?
A: I didn't want to do it because I loved Eddie. Rey and I, even though we were fighting each other, were very, very close friends with Eddie. So we called Eddie's wife and asked if it would be OK. It was heavy stuff. It got people to hate me and Eddie knew it would - God rest his soul. Later, Eddie's wife said Eddie would have wanted me to do it, if it was good for business.

Q: What lessons has the WWE, or you, learned from the death of Chris Benoit? (Benoit, a former WWE champion killed his wife and son before hanging himself in June last year).
A: I guess you never know somebody like you think you do, that's for sure. I never saw him killing his family or himself. Whatever his personal problems, his personal demons were - I can't tell you, I don't know. I don't anyone will ever know except for God and Chris. But it was heavy enough to cause him to do what he did. The lesson is - you don't know anybody like you think you do.

Q: From your vantage point, what is the magic of the WWE. What keeps it vibrant and relevant?
A: There is a constant rejuvenation every week, whether it's a character or a storyline. There is always a change taking place, something to keep you watching - a cliffhanger to see who the mystery opponent is, or what the match stipulation will be. There is always that intrigue which Vince (McMahon, WWE CEO), the writers and the wrestlers are very good at doing. We create drama. And everybody wants to see a fight. People want to see you rip a shoulder from its socket, or get cut open, be hit with a chair, twist an ankle or break vertebrae. If somebody threatened to jump off a building right now, there would be a crowd at the bottom to watch him do it. It's human nature People want to see f---ed up s---. So they watch RAW.
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Anybody check out the new American Gladiators? Kinda wrestling related since Hogan is there...

I'd have to say its funny, but a different kind of funny than the original. The original was cheesy funny, while this is just sad funny. On a side note, I actually thought that Toa guy was the Rock, until I realized he's too big of a star to be doing this crap.
 
Toa is the Rock's cousin actually. And I am in love with Gladiators. It's so much fun. It's just so bad that it's good. Hulk was so good working the mic in the ring, I dont know how he is this bad now...
 
Randy Orton hasn't trashed any hotels or shit in any bags lately, but I somehow truly don't believe that he's as down-to-earth and humble as he tries to come across as in those interviews.

So he keeps his mouth shut, but defends Umaga from an HBK temper tantrum (what are HHH's colors anyway - black)? Call me unconvinced. Moreover, he has a really high opinion of himself as a wrestler, when he doesn't deserve it. He has the best resthold in the business, I'll give him that. But he still doesn't belong in the main event scene, IMO.
 
His comments about guys like Undertaker, HBK and Triple H being broken down would hold more water if he were actually, um, better than they are in the ring.

Yes, they are more injury-prone than he is but like Myke said, I can legitimately believe in them being in a main event. With Orton it's always seemed more like, "right place, right time".
 
Oy. What was with the perpetual light flicker in the opening video montage? I was about to have bloody convulsions over that lazy-ass effect.

WWE RAW Presents: Battlebowl 2008!
 
yay, RAW roulette! Sure nothing is actually random, but at least we usually see something different that wouldn't normally see...
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']top choices by brand:

raw:
hbk
kennedy
triple h (if he finds a 'loop hole' getting in)
jericho

SD:
taker
batista
khali
mysterio

ECW:
morrison
miz
big daddy v

OVERALL:
sadly... batista
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WTF? I thought it's supposed to be a Raw guy, and we'll see Edge vs Taker... oh wait, Batista could turn and face Orton or whoever the Raw champion is (HHH?) at WM24. Yes, makes sense now. Batista back on Raw... well I guess that works if it leads to Cena vs Batista. Why WWE has yet to put together that match is beyond me. My guess is because it would actually draw.
 
I bet that Carlito is really glad he resigned.

Instead of being the world champ in Daddy's promotion, he gets to wear Hardcore Holly's mini-pants.
 
That Vader-Flair thing was from Starrcade '93, and was incredibly well-done. It was my first Starrcade PPV (since I became a fan in early '93), and I loved it. It's held up well over time, too, and effectively got across the rist for Flair in the match.

Carlito's got a pretty good gig deal in WWE - he can still main event (and be world champ) of his father's fed, while still a member of the WWE roster, giving him a level of freedom that few others in WWE can get, and it seems like WWE has some plans for his team with Santino, which is good for his career in '08.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']damn is JBL ever out of shape.[/QUOTE]

He's kinda the posterchild for "hey, all our guys are off steroids now!"

I'm going to go find a game to play. This Raw's puttin' me to sleep.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I can't believe they did an implied hanging of a Canadian after all the Benoit stuff.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking didn't he kill his family by smothering them with pillows during the diva pillow fight... which was absolute crap no less.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']He's kinda the posterchild for "hey, all our guys are off steroids now!"

I'm going to go find a game to play. This Raw's puttin' me to sleep.[/QUOTE]

JBL's not in any worse shape than he ever was during his main event run.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Every time Foley comes back, his physique resembles a middle-aged woman more and more.[/quote]

I was just thinking "damn Foley is turning into a hunchback." Nice too see him back though. I'm a big fan of his.

Raw has been kind of boring. I just turned it off. I liked the JBL/Y2J thing they had going. Good build up for their match at the Rumble. People are going to want to see JBL get beat down down.

And that Diva match was just....I don't even know. I was thinking about TNA and how they have the Gail Kim and Amazing Kong feud going. I actually like that and think it is up their with the guy wrestling, which is really good considering most women's wrestling is what you see on tonights Raw.

And what's up with all the orange people? Did they all go to the same tanning place?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Randy Orton hasn't trashed any hotels or shit in any bags lately, but I somehow truly don't believe that he's as down-to-earth and humble as he tries to come across as in those interviews.

So he keeps his mouth shut, but defends Umaga from an HBK temper tantrum (what are HHH's colors anyway - black)? Call me unconvinced. Moreover, he has a really high opinion of himself as a wrestler, when he doesn't deserve it. He has the best resthold in the business, I'll give him that. But he still doesn't belong in the main event scene, IMO.[/quote]
In the industry, the closest person that reminds me of Randy Orton is Chris Hero. Perhaps others may not see it, but that's how it comes across to me.

15% of both their matches has some kind of rest hold (with Hero it's the Cravate) and generally, they both have this really super skinny look going on and they both act like dicks. The only thing is that Orton looks meaner than Hero and Hero looks more like a... jackass.
 
They're really trying to make Jeff look like he could legitimately beat Orton for the title. I just don't see it though.

I could see Jeff winning MITB though and then presumably the title later in the year...

... oh no wait I can't because as soon as Cena comes back no one will hold the title but him.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Holly dressed as Carlito eh... moderately amusing. Reminds me of Mike Awesome...[/QUOTE]
You know what would be very amusing? Taking Holly of television completely.

Anywho, is Santino on Raw tonight? If not, I see no reason for me to watch it tonight.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']WTF? I thought it's supposed to be a Raw guy, and we'll see Edge vs Taker... oh wait, Batista could turn and face Orton or whoever the Raw champion is (HHH?) at WM24. Yes, makes sense now. Batista back on Raw... well I guess that works if it leads to Cena vs Batista. Why WWE has yet to put together that match is beyond me. My guess is because it would actually draw.[/quote]

i said batista because after reading a report on lop a few weeks ago they mentioned that the wwe was moving in the direction of batista v. triple h for the wwe championship. i have different hopes on who i would want to win, but sadly i dont know how itll turn out.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']You know what would be very amusing? Taking Holly of television completely.[/quote]

Agreed.

Anywho, is Santino on Raw tonight? If not, I see no reason for me to watch it tonight.
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Santino does not wrestle but appears in two segments, one with Hornswaggle.

[quote name='cdubb1605']i said batista because after reading a report on lop a few weeks ago they mentioned that the wwe was moving in the direction of batista v. triple h for the wwe championship. i have different hopes on who i would want to win, but sadly i dont know how itll turn out.[/quote]

Yea, I had just forgot that the winner can face whoever he wants. I'd say Batista is a safe bet to make the jump to Raw. HHH could beat Orton at NWO or they could have what would be a rather intriguing former Evolution members triple threat or hell even an Evolution fatal 4 way elimination match like WM2000 by tossing Flair into the mix for his final match. With Flair vs Sting looking very improbable, I could settle for a main event slot at WM being his final *official* match.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']




Yea, I had just forgot that the winner can face whoever he wants. I'd say Batista is a safe bet to make the jump to Raw. HHH could beat Orton at NWO or they could have what would be a rather intriguing former Evolution members triple threat or hell even an Evolution fatal 4 way elimination match like WM2000 by tossing Flair into the mix for his final match. With Flair vs Sting looking very improbable, I could settle for a main event slot at WM being his final *official* match.[/quote]

sounds cool to me, i just want anything other than a mcmahon v flair match for flairs final wwe match.
 
[quote name='Blackout542']And what's up with all the orange people? Did they all go to the same tanning place?[/quote]My thoughts exactly. Mr. Kennedy's was really bad.
 
Are the rosters getting so thin that Foley needs to be trotted out again like a dying pony at a petting zoo? He looked awful.

I'm still trying to wrap my brain about the Tight-er Gate in Iraq. What exactly was the problem? And did Triple H freak out in addition to Michaels?

Everything about tonight's Raw has become a blur to me at this moment. Truth be told, if my wife hadn't given me sleeping pills...I'd probably end up playing Rock Band instead of watching Raw tonight.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:rofl:[/quote]

Well to be fair, Orton/Flair would make the most sense and play perfectly into Orton's role and character. Either way, without Flair getting a title match at Wrestlemania, this entire 'career on the line' thing is a waste of time.
 
Jericho. JBL.

So, what the hell, WWE?

Jericho makes his 'triumphant' return to WWE, and gets thrown into an immediate title feud, where he is subsequently made to look weak, and then COMPLETELY GIVES UP THE HUNT even though THAT WAS THE ENTIRE REASON HE SAID HE CAME BACK.

Sorry, it just... you know, bothered me.

So, now he's in a feud with the (more hyped) return of JBL. Again, just as with Orton, it's a no-win for them. If Jericho loses AGAIN, he's going to look weaker than he already does, if that's possible. If JBL loses, then what was the point of him coming back and taking Jericho out of the title picture? Jericho returns after years away, and the kayfabe question is 'does he still have it?' According to the storyline, no... no, he doesn't. It's the same with JBL, if he returns after a year away at the announcing booth, and then loses, he'll be a joke.

Jericho may have had the most botched legtimate return ever. Ever.
 
[quote name='007']Jericho. JBL.

So, what the hell, WWE?

Jericho makes his 'triumphant' return to WWE, and gets thrown into an immediate title feud, where he is subsequently made to look weak, and then COMPLETELY GIVES UP THE HUNT even though THAT WAS THE ENTIRE REASON HE SAID HE CAME BACK.

Sorry, it just... you know, bothered me.

So, now he's in a feud with the (more hyped) return of JBL. Again, just as with Orton, it's a no-win for them. If Jericho loses AGAIN, he's going to look weaker than he already does, if that's possible. If JBL loses, then what was the point of him coming back and taking Jericho out of the title picture? Jericho returns after years away, and the kayfabe question is 'does he still have it?' According to the storyline, no... no, he doesn't. It's the same with JBL, if he returns after a year away at the announcing booth, and then loses, he'll be a joke.

Jericho may have had the most botched legtimate return ever. Ever.[/quote]

That's the entire point of a fued. It's not always about one match.
 
This wasn't as great a show as last week's, but still had two fine matches in the Regal-HHH first blood match (made even better by the crowd loudly chanting "WE WANT BLOOD!" numerous times), and the main event that seemed to further solidify Jeff Hardy as a main eventer in the eyes of the fans, and led to an excellent staredown between the champion and challenger that worked at making me even more excited to see their match.

The JBL-Jericho "match" didn't really do that though, as JBL still looked a bit out of shape with his lower body constantly jiggling, and Jericho was made to look like a total jobber throughout the beating. While I'm sure he'll win at the PPV and get revenge on JBL for his attempted hanging (which I've got mixed feelings about in this post-Benoit world), he still looked incredibly weak against JBL here, so it looked like he got his ass kicked by an out of shape middle-aged banker. Maybe Steve Rhodes from Married... With Children will run in and help Jericho at the Rumble.

The other matches were either totally fun, or enjoyable trainwrecks (like the women's pillow fight, complete with Mickie napping post-match). Holly-Carlito was hilarious, partly due to J.R.'s commentary, and the wacky visuals involved with having Holly dressed as Carlito and vice versa. The Kennedy-HBK tag match was effective, although it added a homoerotic twist to their feud with it being a "strange bedfellows" match, then they stared into each other's eyes, leading to J.R. saying that they were going to more later... and then Kennedy laid next to HBK and whispered into his ear.

Quotes -
J.R. - Michaels and Kennedy and locking eyes, and It looks like they’ll be doing more than that later!
(Holly comes out as Carlito)J.R. - Bob Holly looks like a redneck Superfly.
J.R. - That is a very becoming hairstyle for the man from the redneck Riviera, Pensacola, Florida.
King - WHAT’S SANTINO DOING?
J.R. - Well, I think he’s going to interfere, King.
J.R. - HOLLY HITS THE SUPERFLY-MAMA-JAMMA!
Vince - Maria, you can’t use any foreign objects in the lingerie pillow fight.
Maria - Oh, that’s okay, my pillows are all-natural!
(Vince and Hornswoggle meet in front of the wheel, leading to echoing audio problems)Crowd - TURN IT UP!
J.R. - Fans, we apologize for the technical issues, but we’re rolling on - CAN HHH ROLL THROUGH WILLIAM REGAL IN THE FIRST BLOOD MATCH?!
(to Hornswoggle)Vince - DAT’S MY BOY!
King - IT’S JILLIAN, AND SHE’S SINGING HER ENTRANCE MUSIC!
J.R. - Isn’t that special.
King - I heard Maria won the “Do Not Disturb” award at Marriott.
(during first blood match) Crowd - WE WANT BLOOD!
(to Hornswoggle)Santino - Let me get this straight - you want me to team with you? Why don’t we just get Count Chocula and make it a six-man!? YOU MIGHT AS WELL THROW ME IN THE LOONEY BIN WITH BRITNEY SPEARS! You, how you say, creep me out.
(after JBL-Y2J video)J.R. - If you like intensity, YOU’RE GONNA GET IT AT THE ROYAL RUMBLE.
King - And now you’re gonna get Chris Jericho.

Screens -
Kennedy shares a tender moment with HBK.


The AWESOME Orton-Hardy staredown -






I re-subscribed to the Observer tonight since there's a special going on - here are the bonus issues that are part of it.

The 7-24-06 issue dealing with the history of World Class, the Heroes Of World Class documentary, and Dave Meltzer's first-hand account of what life was like in Texas during the time of David Von Erich's death, and how David's death actually saved his life. - http://www.sendspace.com/file/rip528

The 1-9-08 issue dealing with the new World Class DVD and the ROH PPV taping; also has a note about Ron Killings telling people at an indie show he's re-signed to WWE, and has an $80,000 a year downside guarantee. -
http://www.sendspace.com/file/hyrply
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']That's the entire point of a fued. It's not always about one match.[/quote]

So they bring him back, hot, give him ONE MATCH in a feud that could have meant something, and then throw him in a "feud" (more than one match) with JBfuckingL... pushing him out of the world title picture quicker than he thought of "Me want title match!" so Orton could have another one-off at RR.

Why not have a feud for the world title? fuck, I'll take a feud over the IC title. Which, btw, hasn't been defended on a PPV in HOW many months now?

(The segment JUST ended on the left coast, so I'm a little angry as I type this... and live right this very second is Mick Foley and the midget in a tag match. I wonder how THAT'll end :roll:)

I wonder how long Y2J's contract is for this time. If they continue to "push" him like this, we can start the countdown to retirement right about... now.
 
Apparently, ESPN Classic started airing Herb Abrams' UWF tonight. I'll definitely try to watch from tomorrow on.

UWF Wrestling-
January 2008 Schedule (ESPN Classic) USA

ESPNCL Tue 1/8 1:00 AM
ESPNCL Tue 1/8 1:30 AM
ESPNCL Wed 1/9 1:00 AM
ESPNCL Wed 1/9 1:30 AM
ESPNCL Thu 1/10 1:00 AM
ESPNCL Thu 1/10 1:30 AM
ESPNCL Fri 1/11 1:00 AM
ESPNCL Fri 1/11 1:30 AM
ESPNCL Sat 1/12 1:00 AM
ESPNCL Sat 1/12 1:30 AM
ESPNCL Tue 1/15 1:00 AM
ESPNCL Tue 1/15 1:30 AM
ESPNCL Wed 1/16 1:00 AM
ESPNCL Wed 1/16 1:30 AM
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']So they bring him back, hot, give him ONE MATCH in a feud that could have meant something, and then throw him in a "feud" (more than one match) with JBfuckingL... pushing him out of the world title picture quicker than he thought of "Me want title match!" so Orton could have another one-off at RR.

Why not have a feud for the world title? fuck, I'll take a feud over the IC title. Which, btw, hasn't been defended on a PPV in HOW many months now?

(The segment JUST ended on the left coast, so I'm a little angry as I type this... and live right this very second is Mick Foley and the midget in a tag match. I wonder how THAT'll end :roll:)

I wonder how long Y2J's contract is for this time. If they continue to "push" him like this, we can start the countdown to retirement right about... now.[/quote]
I would bet money that Jericho is completely happy with the way he has been booked. It wouldn't have made sense to just up and give Jericho the belt and it wouldn't have made sense to continue the Jericho/Orton feud for the time being when the plan was to have Orton/Hardy finally make Jeff Hardy into a legit World Title contender.

Personally I hope that Matt Hardy wins the Royal Rumble and faces Edge at Wrestlemania and Jeff Hardy gets a rematch against Orton at Wrestlemania, but although you may not like the booking (in the same way a lot of people don't like Nigel McGuinness as RoH World champ), everything has come off in a nice, logical progression since the Survivor Series.

I think Orton brings a huge breath of fresh air to the title scene and he has done his job admirably. I mean if the Rumble match was HHH/Hardy or Cena/Hardy for the belt, they would have overshadowed Hardy's rise, no different than the HHH/Hardy match from Armageddon, but with Orton, Hardy manages to come across as a legit threat to the title.

Honestly, Jeffy Hardy has become the 2008 version of Umaga. Someone who seems to be an upper tier contender for the belt, but someone who all the smarks know won't win the belt. Regardless, he becomes important enough to the program that it's not impossible that he may become World Champion down the line.

Jericho, meanwhile, is working out details with JBL, a guy Jericho surely respects, on getting their feud together. He knew walking in he was just going to be handed the title belt back. That would've killed all of Orton's heat. So in order to build into the potential of a true Orton/JBL feud, they segwayed into the JBL/Jericho fued.

I expect to see Jericho/Hardy vs. Orton/JBL at No Way Out as the main event.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Apparently, ESPN Classic started airing Herb Abrams' UWF tonight. I'll definitely try to watch from tomorrow on.[/QUOTE]

DVR set. Everything I've heard about this promotion is that it's fuckin' TERRIBLE. Which means I can't wait to see it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']DVR set. Everything I've heard about this promotion is that it's fuckin' TERRIBLE. Which means I can't wait to see it.[/quote]

From the one they aired last night, it is. It was so freaking obvious that Foley was calling the moves when the camera was on him.
 
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