The Macho Man Randy Savage Wrestling Memorial Thread

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[quote name='diddy310']The Freddie Mercury mustache really completes it.[/QUOTE]
:lol: That whole tirade reminds me of the fan/wrestler interactions in the 80's, back when people thought wrasslin' was 'real'. I can still remember the look on Andre's face when some slob around here pelted him with an egg outside the arena. Poor guy looked like he wanted to cry.

But he had legit 'heat' with the rabid idiots around here.:roll:

Most of the guys were nice enough that they'd stop and sign autographs behind the building at the performer entrance, but you could never catch some of the guys(Macho Man was one of them) no matter how early or late you stayed at the arena.

Shame really. I would've loved to have gotten a sig from Macho in his heyday.:cry: Only big name guy to never really show up around here in the 80's was Hogan, though he was at a WWE event down the line during his last run in the company a while ago. Of course, at that arena the backstage area is cordoned off and unless you work there there is no access at all.:whistle2:#
 
"@CMPunk: I'm glad TMZ posted that video because everybody needs to be held accountable for their bullshit, me included. What I said was bullshit."

"@CMPunk: ...I'm embarrassed. I own up to being a total douche in this situation and I offer a sincere apology to anybody I hurt with careless words."

Just posted on his Twitter.
 
I never thought I could love Punk any more than I do now. God damn, WWE is gonna suck without him. If it weren't for this thread and the chats, I probably wouldn't watch it at all once he leaves.
 
[quote name='HydroX']"@CMPunk: I'm glad TMZ posted that video because everybody needs to be held accountable for their bullshit, me included. What I said was bullshit."

"@CMPunk: ...I'm embarrassed. I own up to being a total douche in this situation and I offer a sincere apology to anybody I hurt with careless words."

Just posted on his Twitter.[/QUOTE]
Wow, no "I'm sorry if I offended anyone..." bullshit apology. Good for him.
 
Meanwhile, John Cena's reaction to CM Punk, "while I do not agree with what you say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Have some fucking balls.

Oh, what a shocker, nobody knows what the First Amendment says.
 
[quote name='Survivalism']Meanwhile, John Cena's reaction to CM Punk, "while I do not agree with what you say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Have some fucking balls.[/QUOTE]

That is my reaction as well.
 
Sources within WWE have exclusively revealed that WWE Chairman Vince McMahon and Triple H are said to be very angry at talent relations executive John Laurinaitis over his failure to re-sign CM Punk. We have been told the heat on Laurinaitis is serious because this is seen as his second serious failure this year, with the failure to keep Chris Jericho on the roster falling on Laurinaitis’ shoulders as well.

One WWE source says “this is the same job JR had for years, and it’s a heat-magnet because you’re trapped between Vince’s expectations and the talents who want to break away from the brutal schedule.”

Another company source told us “Laurinaitis has made millions in salary and stock options. He’s expected to perform for that money, and produce results. Right now, he’s not getting done the job Vince expects of him!”
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Just give him whatever the fuck he wants!!!!!
 
"GLAAD is in discussions with World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) to train its on-air talent, including its performers, following another anti-gay outburst by a WWE personality over the 4th of July weekend."

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"WWE officials also told GLAAD this morning that CM Punk’s contract will expire in a few weeks, he will not be immediately renewed, and he will no longer be with WWE as of July 18. A spokesperson told us “this departure is not part of a storyline. He is contractually leaving the organization.”

A spokesperson for the WWE told us “We are taking this very seriously.”

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/glaad-train-wwe-talent-after-cm-punks-anti-gay-incident
 
[quote name='OnyxPrimal']"GLAAD is in discussions with World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) to train its on-air talent, including its performers, following another anti-gay outburst by a WWE personality over the 4th of July weekend."[/QUOTE]

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One use of the term "homo" does not equate an "anti-gay outburst". I loathe GLAAD for the manipulative, overreacting group that they are.
 
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So he called a guy a "homo," what if he wasn't calling him a homosexual but rather a homosapien. Perhaps homogeneous...

/endtongueincheek
 
[quote name='ShinSolidus']Hey, could one of you fucks help me out and tell me what ROH show Prince Nana and the Embassy returned on? Thanks. Pre She Ate It.[/QUOTE]

http://www.google.com/search?q=what+ROH+show+Prince+Nana+and+the+Embassy+returned+on

On January 22, 2011, Nana debuted the latest version of the Embassy, consisting of Ernesto Osiris, Mia Yim, Robert Evans, and Tommaso Ciampa. By April, he also recruited newcomer Dave Taylor into the alliance. In early June he had announced he had recruited Rhino as his bodyguard to protect him and his wrestlers from Homicide.
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:D
 
Does GLAAD realize that CM Punk is a heel and he's supposed to act like a dick and infuriate the fans? I mean, is it still real to them dammit?
 
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Former wrestling superstar Scott Hall -- aka Razor Ramon -- checked himself in to a Florida jail today to begin his 10-day sentence stemming from a drunken arrest in 2010 ... TMZ has learned.
52-year-old Hall was ordered to serve ten days behind bars after he was found guilty of resisting arrest at a Florida bar back in May 2010. Hall had allegedly been drunkenly screaming at patrons.

Hall's rep tells TMZ the wrestler will be staying in the medical unit of Seminole County Jail because of his "bad health."

Hall has already been credited with time served ... and should be out of the slammer in eight days.
 
[quote name='Scorch']http://www.google.com/search?q=what+ROH+show+Prince+Nana+and+the+Embassy+returned+on

On January 22, 2011, Nana debuted the latest version of the Embassy, consisting of Ernesto Osiris, Mia Yim, Robert Evans, and Tommaso Ciampa. By April, he also recruited newcomer Dave Taylor into the alliance. In early June he had announced he had recruited Rhino as his bodyguard to protect him and his wrestlers from Homicide.

:D[/QUOTE]

Mia Yim is in the Embassy! Jesus Christmas... damn, she's hot as all hell. Anyway, thanks Scorch.
 
[quote name='neocisco']One use of the term "homo" does not equate an "anti-gay outburst". I loathe GLAAD for the manipulative, overreacting group that they are.[/QUOTE]

They're working with WWE, not just Punk. This is a long trend, not just one promo.

I thought Punk was supposed to be...well, punk rock, really. Not some kind of popped collar homophobic bro-dude. Maybe he's one of those shithead Republican punk rock dudes, like Michale Graves or Johnny Ramone.

But this is Cena's homophobic raps and promos as well. It's the history of pro wrestling as stereotyping the shit out of everything that isn't white, middle class, and masculine.

WWE brought it on themselves.

CM Punk also looks like Freddie Mercury with his hair and moustache like that. Ironic.
 
WWE '12 controls for the 360:

A- Grapple
B- Irish Whip/Pin
X- Striking
Y- Finishers
LB- Action Button
RB- “New” Limb Targeting System
LT- Running
RT- Counters
DPad- Taunts
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Myke is on the money with this one. This is an ongoing trend in wrestling and it needs to stop. You do not need to call people homos to generate heat as heel. It is the lowest common denominator and Punk should hold himself to higher standards.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']They're working with WWE, not just Punk. This is a long trend, not just one promo.

I thought Punk was supposed to be...well, punk rock, really. Not some kind of popped collar homophobic bro-dude. Maybe he's one of those shithead Republican punk rock dudes, like Michale Graves or Johnny Ramone.

But this is Cena's homophobic raps and promos as well. It's the history of pro wrestling as stereotyping the shit out of everything that isn't white, middle class, and masculine.

WWE brought it on themselves.

CM Punk also looks like Freddie Mercury with his hair and moustache like that. Ironic.[/QUOTE]

I can agree with the point of it being a longer trend. I just don't see Punk's situation in particular as being noteworthy enough to warrant the kind of attention it's garnering.
 
I'm fine with Punk using the word homo. It's part of his schtick. Next thing you know, every filmmaker and actor who has used a derogatory term as part of their act should apologize as well.

I also think there is a double standard here where people are bitching about punk using the word homo, but guys like Myke and lombarvm ignoring what could be considered the blatant sexism in his remarks about the guy having a vagina. These days it may be cool to defend homosexuals, but I guess women are still down there on the totem pole. Thanks. I'll keep track of the memo.
 
[quote name='Ansé Solis']These days it may be cool to defend homosexuals, but I guess women are still down there on the totem pole. Thanks. I'll keep track of the memo.[/QUOTE]

Shut up, homo.

[quote name='Haggar']Anyone have any opinion on that new (?) 3 dvd steel cage match dvd?[/QUOTE]

It hasn't got Bret vs. Owen and, therefore, is a lie.
 
[quote name='Ansé Solis']These days it may be cool to defend homosexuals, but I guess women are still down there on the totem pole. Thanks. I'll keep track of the memo.[/QUOTE]

Shut up, homo.

[quote name='Haggar']Anyone have any opinion on that new (?) 3 dvd steel cage match dvd?[/QUOTE]

It hasn't got Bret vs. Owen and, therefore, is a lie.
 
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It hasn't got Bret vs. Owen and, therefore, is a lie.[/QUOTE]

That match is actually on Bloodbath: Wrestling's Most Incredible Steel Cage Matches...2 disc set from 2003. Maybe that's why they didn't include it?
 
I think I own that Bret/Owen cage match twice already between the Bloodbath DVD and the Bret Hart one from a couple years ago. Fantastic match but I'm happy to see the space going towards something else. Still, I won't be getting the set until I can find it for $10. Much of the first disc is too old for me. I've tried to watch some very old matches and they're just missing many of the elements that I watch professional wrestling for. From entrances, to music, to finishing maneuvers. Hell, I was watching the Steamboat documentary on Netflix and some of the falls between him and Flair were just let downs. Plus (and in 2011 WWE, I'm not surprised) there are no ECW cage matches.
 
[quote name='Survivalism']Shut up, homo.[/QUOTE]

Since I have no problems with gay people, being called one isn't all that big of a deal. Try harder.
 
[quote name='Ansé Solis']Since I have no problems with gay people, being one isn't all that big of a deal. Try harder.[/QUOTE]

Fixed. ;)
 
What are you guys, 14?

To get back on topic:

Randy Orton noted on his twitter account that over half of the roster had items stolen from their checked luggage when they reached South Africa. His luggage was untouched. There were locks on the bags that were stolen from, but they were cut off.
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Oh, no! Someone took Cena's jorts! :whee:
 
Sort of scary considering how I'm dying to visit South Africa someday. Then again, I'm not a sooperstar so perhaps I'll be safe.

Those controls for WWE '12 seem pretty normal to me. It's certainly no Firepro but whatever.

I should probably get it when it comes out. I can't remember the last time I bought a wrestling game anywhere near launch. I think the closest I've come was getting SvR '08 for $20 like 2 months before SvR '09 came out. No trophies :(
 
I bought Svr on day 1 this year just for the Downloading of edited wrestlers (that you could actually edit!) so I'm going to wait for 1st price drop before I get the new one. I get that much play out of it.
 
Sheesh, tough room.


Anyways, do you think the crowd in Chicago is going to force a Cena heel turn? Or will they just act like nothing happened the next night after he gets shit on at the PPV? With Punk gone, who is left to be the top heel, ADR?

I think I'll follow Punk whever he may be venturing, be it ROH or NJPW. I'd hate to see him go to TNA though.
 
Punk to NJPW would be incredible. I do feel like he's outgrown ROH and TNA would be a joke. He needs to be on a national venue at this point. I don't know if NJPW is the current reigning Japanese promotion but if not, it can't be too far behind.

Actually, if I didn't have so much work at the moment, I'd do some digging and catch up on my puro history.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Grow the fuck up.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, even if he hadn't been the one to make that quote, someone else would have.

On topic: I guess it's easy to decide to pack up and leave to go back to the indies if you've already made enough money to not have to worry about money again. Hopefully it's not the last we see of Punk, but hopefully he'll be smart, make wise investments, and share what he's learned from the big leagues with the guys in the Indies, instead of just showing up in TNA like "OKAY IM HERE GIVE BELT PLZ" like everyone else has in the past few years.
 
I still think this is all a swerve and he's secretly re-signed. I'll continue to believe that because I don't want to imagine him gone :(
 
[quote name='Halo05']Sort of scary considering how I'm dying to visit South Africa someday. Then again, I'm not a sooperstar so perhaps I'll be safe.

Those controls for WWE '12 seem pretty normal to me. It's certainly no Firepro but whatever.

I should probably get it when it comes out. I can't remember the last time I bought a wrestling game anywhere near launch. I think the closest I've come was getting SvR '08 for $20 like 2 months before SvR '09 came out. No trophies :([/QUOTE]

Think you've got it bad? I stopped at HCTP 8 years ago when it first launched.
 
[quote name='masked lemon']Fixed. ;)[/QUOTE]

And ladies and gentlemen, this is the kind of low-brow audience John Cena plays to. Thank you for proving my point.

I have no problem being gay however. Am I gay? I'll let you decide. If I am and it's a problem for you, go fuck yourself.

However, as I said, CM Punk using homophobia to draw heat makes sense. He is a "bad guy". Bigots are "bad people". Hence, regardless of whether he is a real bigot or not, it fits into his current character of being an utter douche. I have no problem with it and neither should you. The fact that at the he was breaking the fourth wall of his own act by saying he figuratively "hooked" the fan is indicative of this. I wouldn't ask Edward Norton to apologize for being a neo-nazi in American History X and I'm looking for an apology for CM Punk either. You guys shouldn't criticizing him either.

"American History Punk"..... well it sounds awesome in its own right.
 
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[quote name='Ansé Solis']And ladies and gentlemen, this is the kind of low-brow audience John Cena plays to. Thank you for proving my point.

I have no problem being gay however. Am I gay? I'll let you decide. If I am and it's a problem for you, go fuck yourself.

However, as I said, CM Punk using homophobia to draw heat makes sense. He is a "bad guy". Bigots are "bad people". Hence, regardless of whether he is a real bigot or not, it fits into his current character of being an utter douche. I have no problem with it and neither should you. The fact that at the he was breaking the fourth wall of his own act by saying he figuratively "hooked" the fan is indicative of this. I wouldn't ask Edward Norton to apologize for being a neo-nazi in American History X and I'm [not] looking for an apology for CM Punk either. You guys shouldn't [be] criticizing him either.

"American History Punk"..... well it sounds awesome in its own right.[/QUOTE]

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If you're going to edit it, at least proofread it. Sheesh.

I fail to understand the point you're attempting to make in calling someone a John Cena fan as a rebuttal to their inferring your potential closet-case sexuality.

Hiding some statements that may be offensive about gays/GLAAD with spoilers so no one is forced to read it (and to avoid upsetting people.)
Also, stop fucking catering to the overly sensitive crowd by saying that someone is "homophobic" for using the term "homo". Phobia is a suffix meaning: fear. I'm pretty sure that if I call someone a queer or a (term meaning cigarette) it doesn't at all mean that I'm in any way afraid of them, it's just another insult. The same way I'd call you a pretentious douchebag. What's next? The NAACP being upset about the term "African American" and calling people Blackaphobes? I'm 100% positive that there's not a person alive who calls a black person the N word because they're afraid of them (because it's almost a sure fire way to catch an asswhoopin'.)

CM Punk using "homo" is cheap heat, but there's no reason at all that GLAAD should be involved at all. The term "homo" has been thrown around forever implying that someone is homosexual, but it's more often looked at in the same regard as calling someone a sissy would be. Why get upset at "homo"?
A lot of homosexuals only define themselves as a gay person. If you think I'm wrong here, take a look here. Why does that need to be emphasized? Aren't people who play video games, gamers, regardless of who they want to fuck? This is why you can lose your job over anything these days because everyone is offended about everything that's said.
 
Um, no. Sexuality, regardless of what term you use, is not the sort of thing people should be using as a means of slander.

Whether you say homo, f*ggot, cocksucker, poofter, queer, or whatever other term you want to substitute (and they are myriad and vast), the point is not the word used, it is the implication that to be homosexual is to be inferior, to be "less than," to be different, to be ostracized.

People do identify as gay, or as homosexual, but they don't identify as a cocksucker or a f*ggot. Your whole point is bullshit because, if it were true, then there's no reason for Punk to have said it. To be a homo, then, is the same as to be a "gamer." But Punk didn't say "YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES!" he said "YOU'RE A HOMO!" Why? Because the latter works as an insult, and you know it. To treat those two things as similar is to be willfully ignorant of the second-class status of GLBTQ people in the United States (and, well, globally as well).

If he had said "YOU'RE A GAMER!" the whole endeavor wouldn't be the way it is. Your argument is ludicrous. Punk owned up to his shit like someone with dignity and self-respect when he was called on it. Good for him - I don't get mad that people make mistakes, but I do get mad when people don't take their lumps like adults. John Cena in a recent interview tried to disavow any homophobic intonations of his raps and promos (like those he used towards The Rock this year). That's undignified; that's childish and the kind of thing I can't respect. Cena was in full denial mode; Punk said "yeah, I fucked up and I'm sorry." That sets the two apart as human beings for sure.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Um, no. Sexuality, regardless of what term you use, is not the sort of thing people should be using as a means of slander.

Whether you say homo, f*ggot, cocksucker, poofter, queer, or whatever other term you want to substitute (and they are myriad and vast), the point is not the word used, it is the implication that to be homosexual is to be inferior, to be "less than," to be different, to be ostracized.

People do identify as gay, or as homosexual, but they don't identify as a cocksucker or a f*ggot. Your whole point is bullshit because, if it were true, then there's no reason for Punk to have said it. To be a homo, then, is the same as to be a "gamer." But Punk didn't say "YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES!" he said "YOU'RE A HOMO!" Why? Because the latter works as an insult, and you know it. To treat those two things as similar is to be willfully ignorant of the second-class status of GLBTQ people in the United States (and, well, globally as well).

If he had said "YOU'RE A GAMER!" the whole endeavor wouldn't be the way it is. Your argument is ludicrous. Punk owned up to his shit like someone with dignity and self-respect when he was called on it. Good for him - I don't get mad that people make mistakes, but I do get mad when people don't take their lumps like adults. John Cena in a recent interview tried to disavow any homophobic intonations of his raps and promos (like those he used towards The Rock this year). That's undignified; that's childish and the kind of thing I can't respect. Cena was in full denial mode; Punk said "yeah, I fucked up and I'm sorry." That sets the two apart as human beings for sure.[/QUOTE]

It was an example of how gay people make things that are essentially lacking sexuality have an emphasis catering to their personal preference. I never said that CM Punk said anything about gaming, I used that as an example of something that gay people have turned into a term reflecting their sexuality which is at its core something that does not need to be denoted by sexuality. I'm sorry you think my views are bullshit, but I feel the same way about yours. Who cares if John Cena used gay slurs in his rap music? Eminem has done it for years and even got Elton John's approval, and he still does it. It doesn't make him a homophobe, it just means he uses gay slurs as insults. Stop making things more than what they are.

Second class status? Well, considering they're doing something that is adversely against nature's intentions, they are obviously choosing to do something that is different from "the norm". Any time someone does something that's drastically different people treat them differently. But, just like tattoos and piercings, people eventually start to adapt and overlook things that are different.There's nothing that makes anyone feel second class except how you see yourself. By your argument, fat people should also feel as outcast as homosexuals. (See look, I can put a ton of liberal spin on shit too.)

Punk using the term homo would incite any male, so it works as an insult to anyone; not just gay people. It'd be like calling any male in the room a pussy, or any chick in the room a dyke or a cunt. It's cheap heat, but it works, as an insult, the same as any of the other choice words would. Again, quit making things more than what they are.
 
[quote name='xilly']Well, considering they're doing something that is adversely against nature's intentions[/QUOTE]

aaaaaaand, there we go. thinly veiled bigotry always reveals itself as full on bigotry soon enough.
 
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