The "Messiah CompleX PWNS Countdown and WWH" Comic Discussion Thread

So, in your opinion, will the "Batman R.I.P." storyline be worth picking up? Or is DC just trying to recreate the same publicity that Captain America's death received?

9129_180x270.jpg

Are you ready for "Batman R.I.P."?

Beginning the epic story that will change the legend of the Dark Knight forever! Everything in Grant Morrison's groundbreaking run on Batman has been leading to this story, and nothing will ever be the same again.

Who will live? Who will die? Who will be Batman? The answers are sure to shock you in "Batman R.I.P.," featuring artwork by Tony Daniel and Sandu Florea and covers by Alex Ross.
Click to expand...

I've heard rumors about this storyline for months, and it does have my attention. But I did read a a few early issues of Morrison's run on the title, and wasn't very impressed.
 
[quote name='darkcrawlspace']So, in your opinion, will the "Batman R.I.P." storyline be worth picking up? Or is DC just trying to recreate the same publicity that Captain America's death received?

9129_180x270.jpg



I've heard rumors about this storyline for months, and it does have my attention. But I did read a a few early issues of Morrison's run on the title, and wasn't very impressed.[/quote]

I can't for the life of me truly believe they'll kill Bruce off. I feel like it would just be a tragic mistake for them to actually do it. I'd go back and read through Morrison's run though, cause it's truly all tying together now, with the Third Imposter Batman showing up. And I think that's gonna tie-in big time to Batman RIP. I've honestly been loving Morrison's run on a whole, and thought the time out we had to take during Resurrection of Ra's completely killed the pacing of the comic. Now that we're picking up again, I think it's great.

In other news, I cannot WAIT for the last chapter of Messiah Complex. It's seriously been my favorite thing to read the past three months. I just think everything has been great. The writing has been stellar and I can barely tell that we're using five different writers. The art has been great too. Ocerall I think this story has blown away any other big storylines currently happening in Marvel and DC, and if the ending can pull it out, it could very well be the best crossover in X-Men history. Add in the excitement I'm now getting for Divided We Stand afterwards, I'm so glad I'm an X-Men comic reader right now.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']I guess a bit late to the party in this thread, but but OMD or brand new day or whatever Marvel wants to call it the worst piece of shit I've read in a long, long time. It's horrible from start to finish and kills anything that Spiderman has had over the years. Why not just totally restart the character and be done with the shenanigans. This is probably the worst thing they've done since Clone Wars. Also, they just should have had Aunt May die. It would have been for the best and the most eventual outcome. It could have played across Spidey's mind like Aunt Ben's death. Should I have saved her or shouldn't I, etc. etc.[/QUOTE]

I liked One More Day but I absolutely despise Brand New Day to the point that I'm considering cancelling Amazing Spider-man from my pull list. I was optimistic during One More Day that it was going to take Spider-man in a new and interesting direction but after I've read 2 issues of Brand New Day I realized that I really liked the almost dark and brooding Spider-man that's developed over the past few years. This new Spider-man is just plain blah and really feels like everything that's made him great since Civil War especially has gone out the window completely. A little retcon is alright IMO but a complete character reset is just ridiculous.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I liked One More Day but I absolutely despise Brand New Day to the point that I'm considering cancelling Amazing Spider-man from my pull list. I was optimistic during One More Day that it was going to take Spider-man in a new and interesting direction but after I've read 2 issues of Brand New Day I realized that I really liked the almost dark and brooding Spider-man that's developed over the past few years. This new Spider-man is just plain blah and really feels like everything that's made him great since Civil War especially has gone out the window completely. A little retcon is alright IMO but a complete character reset is just ridiculous.[/quote]

Yeah, I cancelled picking up the Spidey books. I just couldn't accept that everything that had transpired in the past few years, which I personally view as 80% being great, were removed from continuity and brought Spidey back to a banal status quo of yester-year. This is definitely not the way to put life into these books, attract more fans, or to treat fans. This is probably the worst screw up of any company since Hawkman or since they played around with the DC continuity or maybe even on the level of the Clone crisis.
 
Heh, with all this talk of Batman, perhaps it is time to get some of the recent books. I haven't really read much of his as of late as it was getting boring, but this Batman R.I.P. stuff sounds interesting.
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']1 week until the last Y.
End of an era...[/quote]

I know:cry: I still can't believe i started late on that one. i had always heard its praise, but never actually picked up one of its comics till 1-1.5 years ago at my library. I then went on to read every TPB that was out at the time and have continued since.
 
from the very first issue for me.

Ive had the strangest years of my life during this comics run. I'll probably be shakey or something when I go to pick it up.

I could probably stop reading comics after that issue and be fine with it. Been contemplating it for a while anyways
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Yeah, I cancelled picking up the Spidey books. I just couldn't accept that everything that had transpired in the past few years, which I personally view as 80% being great, were removed from continuity and brought Spidey back to a banal status quo of yester-year. This is definitely not the way to put life into these books, attract more fans, or to treat fans. This is probably the worst screw up of any company since Hawkman or since they played around with the DC continuity or maybe even on the level of the Clone crisis.[/QUOTE]

That's basically been my opinion. They've taken years and years of character development and growth (particularly of Spider-man growing up into a man from the teenager he started out as) and threw it out the window. They may as well have killed Spider-man off because this isn't the same Spider-man at all anymore.
At first I thought the deal with the devil thing was kinda interesting and different but now it comes across as way to easy. If they wanted to break Peter and MJ up why not kill Aunt May (who, frankly, has needed to die for years) and have them fall apart as a result of that? No, instead we've got the poor man's playboy and MJ the superhero :roll: Give me a freakin break.

I actually did what I said I was going to do today and removed Amazing Spider-man from my pull list. Its been on my pull list almost since the beginning of when I got back into comics 5 years ago. I really see no reason to keep reading it at all anymore. Even if they decided to go "just kidding, he's back to the way he was" it just feels ruined now.

On a more positive note, the end of Messiah Complex was freakin awesome. I love how it brought everything full circle and despite the fact that we've seen some of this stuff before
such as the X-men disbanding for the 1000th time
it didn't detract from an otherwise awesome ending. The best part though was
the resolution of Bishop's storyline. Having the person who was hunting down the betrayer of Professor X from his introduction end up shooting Xavier was excellent. Cyclops finally had a chance to be the badass for a change with that optic blast which was just a great moment. That was perhaps one of the best action sequences I've ever seen in a comic. It almost felt cinematic.

I've never been a big Cable fan but after Messiah Complex I'm completely sold on him. I'll definetly be adding both that and X-Force to my pull list. I like the idea of Wolverine leading a team. I'm sure he probably has led a team in the past but it definitely doesn't happen often and I'm really excited to see how it goes. I also like how they've taken the "kid gloves" off of the students and are seemingly going to let them get their hands dirty for a change.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']On a more positive note, the end of Messiah Complex was freakin awesome. I love how it brought everything full circle and despite the fact that we've seen some of this stuff before
such as the X-men disbanding for the 1000th time
it didn't detract from an otherwise awesome ending. The best part though was
the resolution of Bishop's storyline. Having the person who was hunting down the betrayer of Professor X from his introduction end up shooting Xavier was excellent. Cyclops finally had a chance to be the badass for a change with that optic blast which was just a great moment. That was perhaps one of the best action sequences I've ever seen in a comic. It almost felt cinematic.

I've never been a big Cable fan but after Messiah Complex I'm completely sold on him. I'll definetly be adding both that and X-Force to my pull list. I like the idea of Wolverine leading a team. I'm sure he probably has led a team in the past but it definitely doesn't happen often and I'm really excited to see how it goes. I also like how they've taken the "kid gloves" off of the students and are seemingly going to let them get their hands dirty for a change.
[/quote]

Yeah. I just read Messiah Complex's finale and it was fan-fucking-tastic. I won't say too much, cause I'm still realing from that ending, but come on
while that was definitely a badass moment when Cyclops just completely blasted Bishop, Cyclops has been a badass lately. Between Messiah Complex where he goes "Hey Wolverine, here's a team, go fucking kill some people," to Astonishing X-Men, where he's practically been THE badass of the team. The scene where he revealed he had complete control of his optic blasts and was choosing to pretend he was powerless was great. I've been loving this all cause Cyclops has always been my favorite X-Men character and it's like I'm feeling justified to all my friends who would be like "How can you like that guy? He's boring and he's a dick. Wolverine and Gambit completely pwn him." But I'll definitely be adding Cable, X-Force and Young X-Men to my pull lists, because everything spinning out of Messiah Complex looks great. I wonder if my X-Men pull will carry over to X-Men Legacy or if I'll have to tell him that....
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']That's basically been my opinion. They've taken years and years of character development and growth (particularly of Spider-man growing up into a man from the teenager he started out as) and threw it out the window. They may as well have killed Spider-man off because this isn't the same Spider-man at all anymore.
At first I thought the deal with the devil thing was kinda interesting and different but now it comes across as way to easy. If they wanted to break Peter and MJ up why not kill Aunt May (who, frankly, has needed to die for years) and have them fall apart as a result of that? No, instead we've got the poor man's playboy and MJ the superhero :roll: Give me a freakin break.

I actually did what I said I was going to do today and removed Amazing Spider-man from my pull list. Its been on my pull list almost since the beginning of when I got back into comics 5 years ago. I really see no reason to keep reading it at all anymore. Even if they decided to go "just kidding, he's back to the way he was" it just feels ruined now.

On a more positive note, the end of Messiah Complex was freakin awesome. I love how it brought everything full circle and despite the fact that we've seen some of this stuff before
such as the X-men disbanding for the 1000th time
it didn't detract from an otherwise awesome ending. The best part though was
the resolution of Bishop's storyline. Having the person who was hunting down the betrayer of Professor X from his introduction end up shooting Xavier was excellent. Cyclops finally had a chance to be the badass for a change with that optic blast which was just a great moment. That was perhaps one of the best action sequences I've ever seen in a comic. It almost felt cinematic.

I've never been a big Cable fan but after Messiah Complex I'm completely sold on him. I'll definetly be adding both that and X-Force to my pull list. I like the idea of Wolverine leading a team. I'm sure he probably has led a team in the past but it definitely doesn't happen often and I'm really excited to see how it goes. I also like how they've taken the "kid gloves" off of the students and are seemingly going to let them get their hands dirty for a change.
[/quote]

I totally agree. One More Day is the single worst deus ex machina, er...retcon, I have ever read. Pure garbage. All you recommendations are what should have been done, and all the fans have known it for years. I used to think that Queseda was the man, but lately he's shown his true colors as a cowardly chicken dog who's more corporate, what can we do to make sure the stock stays up at all costs, stereotype. Marvel is going to need someone with real balls to fix the fuck up that is One More Day. Absolutely pathetic on their part. The resoning behind it is beyond stupid. There are plenty of stories they could write if they are a married. There was no reason to dissolve the union. I don't understand why Quesada wants to return to the status-quo banal life that the Spidey comics were in the 90s. Ugghh....and they wondered why sales started to slow.

Anyway, Messiah Complex was awesome. I haven't read a story that feverishly since I was getting into Hellboy or reading Y-The Last man
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']I totally agree. One More Day is the single worst deus ex machina, er...retcon, I have ever read. Pure garbage. All you recommendations are what should have been done, and all the fans have known it for years. I used to think that Queseda was the man, but lately he's shown his true colors as a cowardly chicken dog who's more corporate, what can we do to make sure the stock stays up at all costs, stereotype. Marvel is going to need someone with real balls to fix the fuck up that is One More Day. Absolutely pathetic on their part. The resoning behind it is beyond stupid. There are plenty of stories they could write if they are a married. There was no reason to dissolve the union. I don't understand why Quesada wants to return to the status-quo banal life that the Spidey comics were in the 90s. Ugghh....and they wondered why sales started to slow.

Anyway, Messiah Complex was awesome. I haven't read a story that feverishly since I was getting into Hellboy or reading Y-The Last man[/QUOTE]

I'm really hoping this retcon of Spider-man fails spectacularly to the point that the sales fall even lower than they were before One More Day. Like I said, I just couldn't bring myself to go back to Spider-man at all anymore but maybe they'd learn to not 100% retcon a character like this in the future.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I'm really hoping this retcon of Spider-man fails spectacularly to the point that the sales fall even lower than they were before One More Day. Like I said, I just couldn't bring myself to go back to Spider-man at all anymore but maybe they'd learn to not 100% retcon a character like this in the future.[/quote]
They never do sadly. I think the only publisher that has learned to limit retcons of this scale is DC after they royally screwed up their universe, storylines,etc. They insteand screwed over great characters like Hawkman and to a lesser degree, GL. Look at the GL titles out now (which if you haven't picked any up in the last two years than I urge you to get every TPB you can) since they're unfucking believablly awesome. Sinestro Corp War was on par with Messiah Complex, if not better (I'm a huge GL fan since forever. What can I do, he's my favorite hero). I can't wait fucking wait for Green Lantern: The Blackest Night. I just want to see where the go with the "blackest night" portion of the trilogy. I love how Johns has given such a revamping of the GL mythos, so much so that the title is almost synonymous with his name at this point. He's provided an even better rogues gallery, set the series up for even greater things, and for a storyline that should be able to sustain itself and give us intriguing plots with characters we will have some emotional attachment to. I'll even admit that for the longest time it seemed that GL was the most underappreciated character at DC and was stuck in a lull and stagnating into repetition. The whole concept of having several ringed corps with their own specific powers and weaknesses intrigues me. I especially like the concept of the black lantern corps.

Now if only they could do something like this to Superman. That would be incredible.

Anyway, back to the point of retcons. I think retcons should only be done when they invariably must and only as a last resort and are unavoidably necessary. I just once want to see a plotline run its course without some writer saying, "oh, I don't like what my predecessor did, let's start over." I can understand minor retcons like the ones they did in the Sinestro Corps to Parallax, Ion, etc. which totally vibe and work with the universe that has been established, but don't shake things enough to destroy what preconceived concepts we have in our minds. Also, the smaller retcons tend to flow with continuity and do not detract from anything as whole. These major ones try to remove to much from what we already assume to be true.
 
First time posting in the "Comic Book" thread. As a kid I collected comics alot, but stoped around the late 90's. I bought a graphic novel here and there but really got sucked back in around Marvel's Civil War. Guess I realized comics weren't so kiddy anymore. I mainly collect Marvel stuff and try to keep up with that universe exclusively. About the only thing non-Marvel comic I order is Transformers (IDW) Never been a big DC guy except "The Watchmen" I spend on average $100 a month on comics/manga

My favorite series as of now:
Thunderbolts
Thor
Nova
Annihilation Conquest
Ultimates 3
Transformers: Devastation
Marvel Zombies 2
Dark Tower
*Amazing Spider-Man would be on the list but Brand New Day isn't doing it for me, all I'm saying is this shit better turn out worth my while*

Mangas:
Berserk
JoJo's Bizzare Adventure
Street Fighter
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']First time posting in the "Comic Book" thread. As a kid I collected comics alot, but stoped around the late 90's. I bought a graphic novel here and there but really got sucked back in around Marvel's Civil War. Guess I realized comics weren't so kiddy anymore. I mainly collect Marvel stuff and try to keep up with that universe exclusively. About the only thing non-Marvel comic I order is Transformers (IDW) Never been a big DC guy except "The Watchmen" I spend on average $100 a month on comics/manga

My favorite series as of now:
Thunderbolts
Thor
Nova
Annihilation Conquest
Ultimates 3
Transformers: Devastation
Marvel Zombies 2
Dark Tower
*Amazing Spider-Man would be on the list but Brand New Day isn't doing it for me, all I'm saying is this shit better turn out worth my while*

Mangas:
Berserk
JoJo's Bizzare Adventure
Street Fighter[/quote]

Do yourself a service and go buy all the Y-the Last Man TPBs/singles. You won't regret it, and you'll be sucked right in.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Do yourself a service and go buy all the Y-the Last Man TPBs/singles. You won't regret it, and you'll be sucked right in.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice, I'll defintly check it out. I've been out of the comic book scene so long I don't know what's hot. Always looking for recomendations.
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']Thanks for the advice, I'll defintly check it out. I've been out of the comic book scene so long I don't know what's hot. Always looking for recomendations.[/quote]

Like someone else mentioned, Y the Last Man is probably the third best comic/graphic novel of all time behind The Watchmen and V for Vendetta. What's amazing is that for the entirety of the series, the whole 60 comics, that it never misses a beat. It never stagnates or feels tired. The plot is continuously fresh, and clearly the author knows where he's going with his plot and develops it concisely and coherently. Nothing lags, no loose ends, everything just gels.

Oh, also go and get The Losers. There's a sorely underrated comic that is action packed from start to finish, great plot twists, and is very intriguing IMHO.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Like someone else mentioned, Y the Last Man is probably the third best comic/graphic novel of all time behind The Watchmen and V for Vendetta. What's amazing is that for the entirety of the series, the whole 60 comics, that it never misses a beat. It never stagnates or feels tired. The plot is continuously fresh, and clearly the author knows where he's going with his plot and develops it concisely and coherently. Nothing lags, no loose ends, everything just gels.

Oh, also go and get The Losers. There's a sorely underrated comic that is action packed from start to finish, great plot twists, and is very intriguing IMHO.[/quote]

Haven't read V for Vendetta or seen the movie. I know it's another Alan Moore story, and like always he's not too happy about the movie. Does the movie do the comic any justice? Also I'm not really into military/war stuff. Would The Losers still be a good read for me?
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']Haven't read V for Vendetta or seen the movie. I know it's another Alan Moore story, and like always he's not too happy about the movie. Does the movie do the comic any justice? Also I'm not really into military/war stuff. Would The Losers still be a good read for me?[/quote]

Alan Moore isn't the best film critic in the world. he's a super smart guy, and a bit odd, but when it comes to critiquing movies, I think he should pass. He's, IMHO, 1 for 3. From Hell wasn't bad (especially for how long the graphic novel is) and v for Vendetta is very faithful to the comic. A few points are missed in the translation to the big screen, but it's a proper and worthwhile adaptation. The Losers isn't so much military/war stuff as it is more centered around covert ops, CIA, that sort of thing.
 
Man, haven't been to this thread in a while. Feels like I missed alot.

Well, to start with Green Lantern is the best book out there right now! Things are getting really interesting in Countdown to Final Crisis. So I wonder if they will really kill off Bruce Wayne. I completely agree with Karsh. I feel this is a big mistake and I really don't think Warner Bros. would ever allow DC to kill off an ICON. C'mon, do you really think they will allow DC to kill of Bruce since Batman Begins and with the upcoming release of Dark Knight?
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Alan Moore isn't the best film critic in the world. he's a super smart guy, and a bit odd, but when it comes to critiquing movies, I think he should pass. He's, IMHO, 1 for 3. From Hell wasn't bad (especially for how long the graphic novel is) and v for Vendetta is very faithful to the comic. A few points are missed in the translation to the big screen, but it's a proper and worthwhile adaptation. The Losers isn't so much military/war stuff as it is more centered around covert ops, CIA, that sort of thing.[/quote]

Don't forget about The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Again I never read that but know it was a completely orginal story with the only connection to the books being the characters. That movie wasn't very good and I think Moore desrves the right to be a little upset.

Anyone else absoluty love The Thunderbolts right now? It's been my favorite comic for the last year. I mainly started getting it for the sole purpose of keeping up with Venom, but really got sucked into the whole plot. I like the fact that they're taking Venom down the path of "villian" again. But what's up with the symbiote's sudden urge to eat people? I know his staple is "I want to eat your brain." Guess he means it now.
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']Don't forget about The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Again I never read that but know it was a completely orginal story with the only connection to the books being the characters. That movie wasn't very good and I think Moore desrves the right to be a little upset.

Anyone else absoluty love The Thunderbolts right now? It's been my favorite comic for the last year. I mainly started getting it for the sole purpose of keeping up with Venom, but really got sucked into the whole plot. I like the fact that they're taking Venom down the path of "villian" again. But what's up with the symbiote's sudden urge to eat people? I know his staple is "I want to eat your brain." Guess he means it now.[/quote]

That's the one that I said he's right to be mad on - League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Anyway, I haven't really read any Thunderbolts, but GL is fantastic. He's always been my favorite Super Hero, but it's so nice to have writer(s) that are giving him his proper dues finally.
 
What's everyone think of Ultimates 3? I'll start with what I do like, the return of Ultimate Venom and the art. But while I think it's beautiful the art's too anime-ish and doesn't match with "The Ultimates" gritty but almost real feel. And I don't want to say I "hate" the story but it's definitely not what I expected from Ultimates 3. It's like a completly new Ultimates team. I'm not sure about this title anymore.

I've never been a huge X-Men fan but I just finished the Messiah Complex and now have a renewed intrest in the series. However I'm still limiting my subscription to just Uncanny X-men & X-Force (which is looking very cool)
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']What's everyone think of Ultimates 3? I'll start with what I do like, the return of Ultimate Venom and the art. But while I think it's beautiful the art's too anime-ish and doesn't match with "The Ultimates" gritty but almost real feel. And I don't want to say I "hate" the story but it's definitely not what I expected from Ultimates 3. It's like a completly new Ultimates team. I'm not sure about this title anymore.

I've never been a huge X-Men fan but I just finished the Messiah Complex and now have a renewed intrest in the series. However I'm still limiting my subscription to just Uncanny X-men & X-Force (which is looking very cool)[/quote]

I can't figure out whether I like Ultimates 3 or find it horrible. I love Mads art, if only cause everything is so absolutely over the top. I definitely miss Mark Millar though, cause Loeb is HORRID. I'll keep reading cause it's only two more issues I think, but I really am learning to hate Loeb.

As for X-Men, if you're gonna give in to subscribing to any of the X-titles, go read X-Factor. It is far and away THE best X-title of them all. You'd need to go back and read the back issues, but it's completely worth it. Despite being made up of characters most people would consider the C-list X-Men, it's absolutely amazing. Madrox has slowly become my favorite X-Men character not named Cyclops. Though honestly so far, you can't go wrong with ANY of the X-titles. I may be an X-Men fanboy, but I honestly think this is one of the best times ever for the X-Men titles and want everyone to read them. Even the first issue of the "Get Mystique" arc of Wolverine was really good.
 
[quote name='Dante Devil']God, I dumped this after the second issue. The coloring in Ultimates is just terrible.[/quote]

I think whoever was doing the coloring actually improved a LOT through 2 and 3. At least he's out of the "completely tan-washing every single image" phase.
 
Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Ultimates 3. It really sucks that the writing took a hit. Some of Thor's lines are just fucking stupid. Loeb is really making this his own thing instead of expanding on what made it great. Heck, the Ultimates was one of the few comics that got me back into collecting.
 
in the last few months, i've been picking up new comics/trades on recommendation from friends. i was mainly looking for stuff that i wasn't reading already or haven't read before. this is what i picked up:

- immortal iron fist vol. 1 (the current one)
- the walking dead vol. 1
- punisher max vol. 1
- y: the last man vol. 1
- ex machina vol. 1 & 2
- bone the complete series
- moon knight vol. 1 (the current one)
- preacher vol. 1
- conan vol. 1 (the current dark horse one)

of that list, i haven't disliked anything i've read so far. i've gotta be honest, i pretty much slept on dc's the new frontier, and i've heard nothing but good stuff about it, so i'm thinking i'm picking both volumes up next before checking out the dvd. can anyone recommend any really good dc tpbs? i'm up for any publishers, but i definitely would like to check out more of what dc has to offer.
 
How is Immortal Iron Fist? I've never been an Iron Fist fan but heard good things about it. I was so close to buy it one day, but then Megatron: Orgins TPB caught my eye and picked that up instead.

I also bought Y: The Last Man vol.1 due to recommendation on this thread. I'll get around to reading it later today.
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']How is Immortal Iron Fist? I've never been an Iron Fist fan but heard good things about it. I was so close to buy it one day, but then Megatron: Orgins TPB caught my eye and picked that up instead.

I also bought Y: The Last Man vol.1 due to recommendation on this thread. I'll get around to reading it later today.[/quote]

Oh Iron Fist is excellent. Get the trade for the first 6 issues or whatever, then buy the rest if they are available. I think it's on issue 9 or 10 now. It's Brubaker, so the quality is usually there and usually top notch.

Ultimates 3 is just super garbage particularly if you compare it to the first 2 volumes, which are easily one of the best team books out hands down. I wish Millar and Hitch could have continued it for a hundred issues at least, even with the damn delays. This just takes all their work, dumbs it down for the kiddies and makes it all shiny for the art whores, and attempts to just milk the most popular Marvel characters a la the start of New Avengers, in an Ultimates version of that. Ugh.

Might as well just pretend it's not a continuation of Ultimates 1 and 2. Loeb and Maduera are fine I guess for some light team drama a la the Uncanny X-Men or Justice League or whatever, but they basically just trashed U1 and 2.
 
Ultimates 3 is horrible. While I have enjoyed Madureira's work since his early days on Excalibur, the coloring really destroys his artwork. The story is ridiculoulsy bad; I'm not the biggest Millar fan, but the guy did wonders with Ultimate X-men and the Ultimates and both titles are now being dragged down.
 
Just got done reading Y: The Last Man vol.1. It's good, I'll continue to collect it. Thanks for the recommendation guys.

Waiting anxiously for my copy of "Kick Ass #1". I got the Romita Jr. Sketch variant. Anyone else getting this?
 
[quote name='evilomar']Ultimates 3 is horrible. While I have enjoyed Madureira's work since his early days on Excalibur, the coloring really destroys his artwork. The story is ridiculoulsy bad; I'm not the biggest Millar fan, but the guy did wonders with Ultimate X-men and the Ultimates and both titles are now being dragged down.[/quote]

Yup. If anything, this has shown me to appreciate Millar's work more. This current run on Ultimates is just bad.
 
Finished reading/rereading Batman Under the Hood Vol 1 & 2. Pretty decent story, but it just mimics Hush too much. Too many unnecessary cameos or cameos that were wasted. I also didn't really care for the Jason Todd retcon. The Red Hood is cool, but the story was sort of on the ropes.

Oh, and they need to use the Black Mask more often, too bad they killed him. They can always retcon it some way and bring him back I guess. I wouldn't mind seeing him in a movie. Would be quite intriguing.
 
Was anybody else pissed at the Editors of Uncanny for dropping the bomb with the revelation of what happens in Whedon's Astonishing X-men? Sure it's something I saw coming months ago, but it still irratates me that they let things like this slide.
 
[quote name='evilomar']Was anybody else pissed at the Editors of Uncanny for dropping the bomb with the revelation of what happens in Whedon's Astonishing X-men? Sure it's something I saw coming months ago, but it still irratates me that they let things like this slide.[/quote]

Haven't read enough X-men to make a judgment. Just got into Uncanny a couple months ago due to the Messiah Complex but always heard good things about Astonishing.

Finished reading Marvel Zombies 2 and hated the ending. It was like: "Okay guys we need to wrap this up in 3 pages" then BAM, a pile of shit. Ultimates 3 is just getting worse. While I want to cut and run with series I would like to know story.

Anyone else get Kick Ass? I picked up the Sketch Variant and carefully read it. I can see this idea as a movie already. I think any comic book nerd can relate to it. The kid reminds me of myself when I was 15 (I know, that's sad) but that's why I like it.
 
[quote name='evilomar']Was anybody else pissed at the Editors of Uncanny for dropping the bomb with the revelation of what happens in Whedon's Astonishing X-men? Sure it's something I saw coming months ago, but it still irratates me that they let things like this slide.[/quote]

Here's my theory on it. You gotta remember they write these things a LONG time in advance. The writers have been trying their best to tip-toe around the fact that Joss is taking a decade to tell his story. Finally, Brubaker sees the Astonishing finale was SUPPOSED to come out in February. He sees this issue as the point he can finally go "This is why Colossus is so sad". Unfortunately, like almost always happens with Whedon's stuff, Giant Sized gets delayed and it's unfortunately too late for Ed to do anything. It sucks that it got spoiled, but I'd say this is one of the few times it's completely understandable why it got spoiled. If anything, you should be pissed at Joss for taking forever to write his story.
 
A couple of weeks late, but the latest Simon Dark was great.. The best one yet, even though the series has been kind of slow to begin with.

Haven't really read anything else.. I'm like 3-4 weeks behind on everything.
 
[quote name='karsh']Here's my theory on it. You gotta remember they write these things a LONG time in advance. The writers have been trying their best to tip-toe around the fact that Joss is taking a decade to tell his story. Finally, Brubaker sees the Astonishing finale was SUPPOSED to come out in February. He sees this issue as the point he can finally go "This is why Colossus is so sad". Unfortunately, like almost always happens with Whedon's stuff, Giant Sized gets delayed and it's unfortunately too late for Ed to do anything. It sucks that it got spoiled, but I'd say this is one of the few times it's completely understandable why it got spoiled. If anything, you should be pissed at Joss for taking forever to write his story.[/QUOTE]

Well I guess I didn't really draw the connection there but yeah I guess that's what they're telling us in the latest Uncanny isn't it? Oh well, the impact would have had more meaning if Astonishing hadn't gotten so god damn delayed lately.

I've just started cutting anything that's getting too frequently delayed for me to remember what the fuck is going on. Astonishing however has been the one exception to this. Mighty Avengers, Avengers: The Initiative, and Runaways are 3 titles off the top of my head that I've just gotten fed up with having to rack my brain to remember what the hell happened in the previous issue so I just decided to cut them. Comics are getting expensive and I just don't have the patience for 2-3 months between new issues so if I'm reading an issue and I can't remember a single thing that happened in the previous issue, its off my pull list the next week.

Basically, what I'm getting at is that the "bomb" of Astonishing was dropped when they failed to keep the book coming out on time.
 
I have not read the Messiah Complex but was looking forward to it. Immortal Iron Fist Green Mist of Death was kinda funny. The current series I am following up is Avengers: The Initiative, The new Captain America, Ultimate Iron Man 2, and DEFINITELY The Secret Invasion. Then there is also the up coming Invaders/Avengers and Marvel Heroes (I think it is called like 1958 or something like that) that looks good. I am more into the Thunderbolts, current One-Shots, and The Punisher older comics.
 
[quote name='yukafls']I have not read the Messiah Complex but was looking forward to it. Immortal Iron Fist Green Mist of Death was kinda funny. The current series I am following up is Avengers: The Initiative, The new Captain America, Ultimate Iron Man 2, and DEFINITELY The Secret Invasion. Then there is also the up coming Invaders/Avengers and Marvel Heroes (I think it is called like 1958 or something like that) that looks good. I am more into the Thunderbolts, current One-Shots, and The Punisher older comics.[/quote]

Thunderbolts is great, but I'm tired of all these one-shots and delays. I want to see the "Caged Angels" story arc move on a little more quickly. The team seems to be falling apart little by little and I love it.

If anyone's intrested in the Secret Invasion you should pick up or at least read Captian Marvel #3. It's looking a bit Skrully.
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']Thunderbolts is great, but I'm tired of all these one-shots and delays. I want to see the "Caged Angels" story arc move on a little more quickly. The team seems to be falling apart little by little and I love it.

If anyone's intrested in the Secret Invasion you should pick up or at least read Captian Marvel #3. It's looking a bit Skrully.[/quote]

Yeah, also in the Avengers Initiative one of the recruits is a skrull. Recently I have been going to this place in my town that has some pretty obscure comics for a $1. They are Marvel UK comics, I have not heard of it but they have some awesome stories.
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']Your talking about "Crusader," he's a skrull however he's not part of the Invasion. Aparently they have or are trying to put a Skrull in every state.

Known Skrulls Imposters:

Elektra - Revealed in New Avengers #31
Black Bolt - Revealed in New Avengers: Illuminati #5
The Revolutionary - Revealed in Avengers: The Initiative Annual #1
Cobalt Man - Revealed in Captain Marvel #3
[/quote]

Oh, kinda like the guy that is part of the Runaways. If they are trying to put one in every state, then there has to be some in the Initiative Program, because the program is trying to super hero team in every state.
 
[quote name='karsh'] Unfortunately, like almost always happens with Whedon's stuff, Giant Sized gets delayed and it's unfortunately too late for Ed to do anything. It sucks that it got spoiled, but I'd say this is one of the few times it's completely understandable why it got spoiled. If anything, you should be pissed at Joss for taking forever to write his story.[/QUOTE]

Since the 80's (can't speak for the 70's or pre-70's since that was before my time collecting) there have always been delays. While I'm not pointing fingers, it should be up to the editor to say, hey wait that book isn't out why don't we hold up on this little scene. The editors at DC did a wonderful job with the Infinite Crisis tie ins. No spoilers were let out of the bag until the story was already told in IC. Even during big crossovers during the 90s like the Excutioner's Song there has been delays, but the editors always managed to remove certain dialogue to make things fit.

Now on the subject of Astonishing and it's delays....you can't blame Joss or John Cassidy. The script has been finished since June of 2007 and yes, Cassidy is one of the slowest artist, but it's not his fault either. I put the blame on the editors that just want to get these stories out to get that dough and then something like Ultimate Hulk Vs. Wolverine happens and fans are left stranded in the water. DC is pushing for a new policy that states that if an artist can't keep a monthly schedule they will not be on a monthly book. Funny enough under the same policy they state, unless it's a superstar artist (Jim Lee, Frank Quietly, or the Kubert brothers). That is why they removed Koi Turnball (or however you say his name) off the Batman and Outsiders book. I believe Marvel is pushing to do this too. If you look at the April solicitations they have an Angel book being released by Adam Pollina. That book has been in the works since last February.

God almighty I hope they reveal that everyone on the New Avengers team is a Skrull except for Luke Cage. I miss Earth's Mightiest Heroes and as much as I love Bendis on Powers, Daredevil, and Ultimate Spider-man his run on New Avengers has been dragging and boring. However, for some reason I do enjoy his Mighty Avengers book, now that it's finally on time.
 
[quote name='evilomar']God almighty I hope they reveal that everyone on the New Avengers team is a Skrull except for Luke Cage. I miss Earth's Mightiest Heroes and as much as I love Bendis on Powers, Daredevil, and Ultimate Spider-man his run on New Avengers has been dragging and boring. However, for some reason I do enjoy his Mighty Avengers book, now that it's finally on time.[/quote]



Well the spider man clone was a skrull but he died (it was revealed on Marvel.com), so maybe there are some more out there. I think Dr. Strange could be one.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
bread's done
Back
Top