The "New Clique" Wrestling Thread

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[quote name='Halo05']The fact that we're discussing the streak means that it does in fact mean something. Obviously it doesn't mean that UT literally beat up 18 guys without losing, or that he could outside of a professional wrestling match. It means that...

1. The biggest wrestling company on the planet sees Undertaker as possibly their biggest/best talent, at least on their biggest stage

and

2. We collectively buy into him in pretty much the same context. Looking back, there hasn't been a WM match that I wanted Undertaker to lose (certainly not since they started talking about the streak). I want the streak to continue because I have a tremendous amount of respect for him as a performer.[/QUOTE]


It means something because WWE wants it to mean something. Tatanka was undefeated for almost two years and that was never brought up after his first loss and they didn't even make a small mention of it when he returned some 10 years later.

I think it's cool but let's be real. On one hand, it's something long running which is almost unheard of in WWE since the early 90's and it's always a featured attraction at WrestleMania. On the other hand, it's padded and it becomes an obvious crutch when a match is based completely on it, based on the fact that it was hardly ever brought up until the Orton feud 6 years ago.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']Does this mean Jay is going to be future endeavored soon?[/QUOTE]

Next thread has to be The Official "We wish JaytheGamefan well in his future endeavors" Wrestling Thread.
 
I have to admit, I find some slight humor in the fact that jaythegamefan is being summarily lynched in the 'New Clique' thread. Is there a secret faction of people behind the scenes booking this thread? Did I just blow your mind? Uncover a conspiracy? Running a joke into the ground? This sentence shouldn't have a question mark after it, but it does? I'll stop talking now? Question mark?


Anyway... so, my usual Thursday plans fell through and I found myself in front of a TV when Impact was on. I tried, lord knows I did. Easy, one-sentence review? That show was like a parody I would write of Russo's booking style.

I want them to be good, but especially after slogging through that 2 hour shitfest, I just don't see it happeneing.

Oh, and an off-the-wall question, is it just me or have Steiner's pecs gotten way smaller? Or have they always been that size and I'm crazy? They looked like two deflated balloons.

I'd also be totally okay if Shannon Moore got hit by a truck. Not killed, mind you, but just maimed enough that he has to stop wrestling. Like maybe lose a leg or something. Yeah, that'll work... I mean, what kind of company is going to promote a one-legged wrestler?
 
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[quote name='007']I have to admit, I find some slight humor in the fact that jaythegamefan is being summarily lynched in the 'New Clique' thread. Is there a secret faction of people behind the scenes booking this thread? Did I just blow your mind? Uncover a conspiracy? Running a joke into the ground? This sentence shouldn't have a question mark after it, but it does? I'll stop talking now? Question mark?[/QUOTE]

The inmates are running the asylum.
 
[quote name='metaphysicalstyles']The inmates are running the asylum Impact Zone!.[/QUOTE]


Fixed.
 
[quote name='HydroX']Next thread has to be The Official "We wish JaytheGamefan well in his future endeavors" Wrestling Thread.[/QUOTE]

MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Cheap Ass Gamer has come to terms on the release of obnoxious poster Jaythegamefan as of March 24th, 2011. CAG wishes Jaythegamefan the best in all future endeavors.

[quote name='007']I'd also be totally okay if Shannon Moore got hit by a truck.[/QUOTE]

fuck-in ay.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']His recaps are for shit. I'd rather have that homophobic dude back who was banned.[/QUOTE]
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I find it to be like spam. There's no interaction, and this is a forum. If I want to read a webpage, I'll go read a webpage. If I cut and pasted Caldwell's PWTorch reviews in here every time they were posted, whether you asked for them or not, it'd probably be a nuisance. Then again, Jay is no Caldwell.

It's like a living, breathing spambot. HEY HERE'S A SHOT OF ANGELINA LOVE'S SNIZZ.
 
Then I'll stop. Figured it was cool since there was no real outcry about it. When people hate something here, they usually make it very well known. Anyway, yeah, I'll quit it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I find it to be like spam. There's no interaction, and this is a forum. If I want to read a webpage, I'll go read a webpage. If I cut and pasted Caldwell's PWTorch reviews in here every time they were posted, whether you asked for them or not, it'd probably be a nuisance. Then again, Jay is no Caldwell.

It's like a living, breathing spambot. HEY HERE'S A SHOT OF ANGELINA LOVE'S SNIZZ.[/QUOTE]


I don't mind the Smackdown spoilers, Shin. Keep doing those.
 
[quote name='ShinSolidus']So...Should I stop posting Smackdown spoilers on Wednesday morning?[/QUOTE]

Nope. And I'm assuming Vermin was talking about the Jay posts, since you post other stuff besides that.
 
Dixie Carter posted a twitter message that read "I am..." but then quickly deleted it. In that short period, fans responded to her:

Doug Hexamer: You are

Daniel Convers: ‎... hoping for TNA to stop sucking.

MCO_LIVIN: I think what @TNADixie meant was "I am concerned if ROH ever gets a real TV deal that we'll become 3rd place"

Llew Jones: Gay

empirehardcore: @TNADixie ...running a creatively inept company with aging performers that the audience isn't invested in.

Scott Foxe Wilkinson: Hulk Hogans bitch??

Rich Jones: AJ Styles Entrance Music

TiltonWarrior: RT @TNADixie I am... thinking of using eBay. Any idea if you can sell wrestling companies on there?

Tricia Januska: A POWERFUL,STRONG WILLED WOMAN!! THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TNA ABOVE AND BEYOND!!!

Dennis Bevan: In control of tna gonna fire hogan and bischoff

rk_ow: @TNADixie ........not best pleased with Jeff Hardy??!!

Harry Barnett: a joke

JAnthony Longar: pregnant??!

InstantClassicH: RT @TNADixie I am... not bothered about what you people have to say, TNA is already dead anyway!

Benny Jefferson: Your are Dixie Carter the president of TNA WRESTLING and you will take back your company soon or later oh is real IS DAMN REAL.

David Elmore: You are a really great person who doesn't deserve the vitriol directed at her from people on here who have done nothing with their lives ?

takerdemon: Sentence finished in brackets RT: @TNADixie I am... (in charge of a wrestling company with no clue about logical booking)

Marcus Maivia: in charge of a company that has become absolute trash

BensonAndHodges: RT @TNADixie: I am...

Jeff 'Fat Jack': Goodridge wasting money?

Tim Wright: Sellng TNA to Vince MaMahon
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Nope. And I'm assuming Vermin was talking about the Jay posts, since you post other stuff besides that.[/QUOTE]

Correct.
 
It's totally possible this was already brought up, but if not...

I don't want this turn into a 'what the hell, TNA?' rant, but I have to address this point. TNA is the number 2 wrestling company in the US right now. By default, really, but still. They hire Hulk Hogan and toss gobs and gobs and gobs of money at him. He's old, he's broken down, he can't really wrestle... outside of name recognition, he really doesn't add any more to the show than someone like Eric Bischoff or, if we want to go the WWE route, Teddy Long. Effectively, that's what he is, except his name is HULK HOGAN. So, Hogan is a guy who is also famous in capacities other than wrestling... every doc, DVD, what have you, mentions that everyone in the world knows the name Hulk Hogan. As a result, Hogan makes media appearances. Lots of them. Given that Hogan adds nothing to the actual TNA brand except for his name recognition, you'd think that Hogan's appearances would be littered with mentions of TNA. Hell, even just wearing a TNA shirt.

No.

That American Idol appearance drove this point home for me, and it's driving me fucking *nuts*. Hulk Hogan appears on the biggest TV program in the country, and he's simply Hulk Hogan. No mentions of TNA. None. Zip. Nada. Not even a TNA shirt or bandana. Even most of the mentions of this appearances in articles I read generally call him 'WWE Hall of Famer' or 'WWE Star' Hulk Hogan before they even get around to naming TNA, if they even do.

So, the point stands... why hire Hulk Hogan because he's a name, and then completely fail to piggyback off of that? TNA has a shit-load of problems, but one of their biggest is that 95% of people (being generous) don't even know they exist. This wouldn't be a big deal, but this is just another in a long string of media appearances that Hogan has made with zero mention or plug of TNA. I literally can't wrap my head around this. I get that TNA has some mis-management, but this is just such an 'slap your forehead' obvious marketing thing that I'm at a loss to explain it.

I just had to rant about it, because it makes no sense. None. I realize that's par for the TNA course, but still.
 
I've been looking for an animated .gif of CM Punk mocking Orton's "wife" screaming during the RAW segment by the bus. Anyone see this in their innernetz travels?
 
007, Hogan was on Jimmy Fallon (I think) after his first TNA press conference. I watched it to see how he would promote TNA and noticed the same thing as you. One cursory mention of TNA and that was all. At the end of his segment I was thinking "That's it? Wait to drop the ball, Hulk.". He set the tone there and it seems to have continued since.
 
[quote name='HydroX']I've been looking for an animated .gif of CM Punk mocking Orton's "wife" screaming during the RAW segment by the bus. Anyone see this in their innernetz travels?[/QUOTE]
Been looking for that one myself. I love the way the dor of the bus slooooowly closed after he yelled at her to shut up. If I can find it, I'll shoot it your way
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Are they still 'mistakes' if you're getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to make them then years later?[/QUOTE]

Alright... fair point. I realized it seemed a little silly to rant now, but American Idol is just so high profile that it's ridiculous.

[quote name='neocisco']007, Hogan was on Jimmy Fallon (I think) after his first TNA press conference. I watched it to see how he would promote TNA and noticed the same thing as you. One cursory mention of TNA and that was all. At the end of his segment I was thinking "That's it? Wait to drop the ball, Hulk.". He set the tone there and it seems to have continued since.[/QUOTE]

I think that's the part I really can't wrap my brain around, and maybe because it underscores why TNA is such a mismanaged company. Literally, outside of simply being Hulk Hogan, give me one reason to hire Hulk Hogan in his current state. I'm really struggling to come up with one. Unless he's actively promoting TNA, he adds zero to the product. Say what you want about WWE, but you think there's any way that someone like Cena would show up on American Idol and *not* mention WWE at some point? It's such freshman Marketing 101 shit that it's almost absurd.

It also underscores my problem with Hogan, which is that Hogan is in it to promote one thing... Hulk Hogan. If he actually believed in TNA one iota past 'gimme that phat cash', he'd make the effort to talk about TNA. He doesn't. If it's not in his contract (which, really, I assume it isn't), he just promotes the brand of Hogan. Even for a company like TNA, that's kind of fucked.

I mean, shit, at least when Hogan was running roughshod over WCW, he'd *talk* about it. They even got the benefit of him wrestling.

It's shit like this that makes it tough for me to even remotely cheerlead for TNA... if their own wrestlers won't do it or have faith in the company, why should I?
 
Yeah, that also drove me nuts, 007, even more so as a marketing guy. He's on, say, one of the biggest platforms on modern-day television in front of a diverse audience, and he does nothing to promote TNA Wrestling. That is madness. Something as simple as a tee shirt would have boosted interest, no matter how small or large the boost, to the TNA Wrestling brand. By wearing tee shirts, hats, and other merchandise, kids, teens, and adults support brands they feel are worthwhile; be it a band, TV show, Internet company, etc. No matter how much Hulk Hogan says he loves TNA and praises the company, on some level, he must not see TNA Wrestling as a worthwhile endeavor.

Or, in one sentence: I know it's TNA Wrestling, the home of bad decisions, but I still find it unbelievable that someone in TNA Wrestling would not ask Hogan to promote said TNA Wrestling while on, ratings juggernaut, American Idol.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']What an awful television show. Anderson beats up a fake professor, yells, bitches, complains more, has a chance to get a rematch FAIRLY, still can't' do it, blames everyone but himself, attacks anyone he wants to...WHY IS HE A FACE!?[/QUOTE]
I think it's quite obvious that he's a tweener.

Orton, on the other hand...
 
[quote name='007']That American Idol appearance drove this point home for me, and it's driving me fucking *nuts*. Hulk Hogan appears on the biggest TV program in the country, and he's simply Hulk Hogan. No mentions of TNA. None. Zip. Nada. Not even a TNA shirt or bandana. [/QUOTE]

While I agree about the shirt or bandana, where in those 4 or 5 lines he was given would he have somehow shoehorned "Oh yeah, Brothers! Tune into Thursday Night Impact on Spike TV!" in there? I think the appearance itself says a lot though, for anyone who isn't in the loop. "Hey, Hulk Hogan! I wonder what he's up to these days?"
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T_qIuEKQjM

I don't know that I ever heard Abdullah speak in his career. His personality is so antithetical to what I would expect from him, it really shows how different wrestling was in the past. About the only word I can think of to describe Abdullah the Butcher is "sweetie."

Is it our fault for breaking down the walls from frontstage to back? Or is it WWE/TNA's fault for letting leaks out of the lockerroom as well as destroying the idea of kayfabe?
 
Potential WM spoiler...

WWE has advertised for an upcoming Wrestlemania Revenge tour show in Austria The Miz vs John Cena... with The Miz advertised as champ. Of course "card subject to change" applies but its worth mentioning this.
 
Kurt Angle arrested in North Dakota.

Wrestling superstar Kurt Angle was arrested early this morning in North Dakota TMZ has learned.

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ highway patrol in Grand Forks found Angle sitting in his car in the median separating lanes. We're told Angle told cops he had hit an icy patch in the road. During the conversation, cops say they smelled alcohol on Angle's breath. He failed a field sobriety test and was arrested.

Since cops didn't see Angle driving, he was arrested and later charged with being in control of a motor vehicle while intoxicated -- which basically means he was allegedly drunk behind the wheel but not actually driving.
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[quote name='007']

I'd also be totally okay if Shannon Moore got hit by a truck. Not killed, mind you, but just maimed enough that he has to stop wrestling. Like maybe lose a leg or something. Yeah, that'll work... I mean, what kind of company is going to promote a one-legged wrestler?[/QUOTE]


I shit on him so fucking hard when I went to see TNA. People had to hate me because every time I saw that guy I was booing or yelling something about firing that douche bag.

Oh and when did the wrestling thread turn into the OTT? This is a change for the better IMO.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Kurt Angle arrested in North Dakota.



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Wow. Maybe this current angle he's doing with JJ and his ex isn't in his best interest? I mean, you should have a little better self control, but how hard would it be to actually do what he's doing story-line wise considering his past problems?
 
Found this on another forum. It's a radio interview with Ian Rotten, the guy who runs IWA Mid-South, and who has a very nasty reputation of not paying talent, among other things. It's over two hours long, but there's some pretty shocking stuff in there.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jerrywiseman/2011/03/23/and-then-the-bell-rings-1

Here's the cliffnotes version (still a pretty long read):

-Jerry warns everyone strong language will probably be used and the conversation probably won't be kid friendly.

-Jerry Wiseman welcomes Ian to the show. He says Ian has a history of owing people money and has a a very less than stellar reputation. Says that Ian admitted to owing 10 people a total of $3,000. He says there are stories of the benefit show Ian ran, a benefit show for a referee's son that did a large house and concession and Ian gave the referee less than $500. Jerry also says there are stories circulating that Ian and Mickie Knuckles were in a fight and Ian caused bodily injury to Mickie. Jerry says Ian said he was going to be in the main event for JCW this weekend, although the advertising from ICP doesn't even have Ian on the card. Ian says it was a secret about him appearing at JCW this weekend and Jerry just broke the first rule of wrestling (letting the secret out of Ian appearing at JCW this weekend) and that Ian just lost all respect for Jerry.

-Jerry says his credible is much more than what Ian's is at the moment and that Jerry has gotten tons of calls and e-mails from different people after they heard Ian was going to be on the show.

-Jerry starts going on and Ian wants a chance to speak on the JCW situation. He says he told Jerry he was working JCW off the record and didn't want Jerry to mention in. Jerry says he went to the source (ICP) because he didn't want to be worked by Ian. Jerry notes that it's a not issue with the long list of lies Ian has told and he'll apologize if Ian happens to be on the iPPV this Saturday.

-Jerry talks about a few rumors surrounding Ian and JC Bailey. Ian says there was a time when Bailey worked four deathmatches in two days. Jerry says the rumor is that Bailey got $50 and and some pills. Ian says he paid him $185 for the two nights. Ian says Bailey owed him money for a different incident (Ian insists Bailey stole something from his house) and Ian wiped away the debt as part of the payment for working the four deathmatches and two other shows. Ian admits to selling JC Bailey pills after that show. Jerry calls Ian a drug dealer, Ian says he simply sold pills to a worker in pain. Jerry laughs. Jerry says Ian isn't a pharmacist so that makes it illegal. Ian says Jerry is twisting his words around (note: Ian clearly admits to selling pills that weren't prescribed in Bailey's name to Bailey).

-Jerry brings up Mickie Knuckles. Jerry says he and Ian talked earlier going over part of what was going to be on the show and that Jerry would be fair, but brutal at times. He says Ian claims to have had an affair with Knuckles and pie-faced her to get her out of the way during an argument. Ian denies ever headbutting Mickie, putting his weight on her bad leg or trying to stab her with a screwdriver. Jerry says Mickie claims to have never slept with Ian, but Jerry says Ian may have lied to his wife about he and Mickie sleeping together just to piss off his wife. Jerry brings up the benefit show for Mickie that raised around $800. Jerry asks if she ever got any of that money, Ian replies that Mickie was living with her at the time and was paying all her bills.

-Ian denies that he said "If JC wasn't dead, he'd be f'd up on pills." He says his comment was that JC was going to do what he wanted to do, regardless if people tried to help him.

-Ian says Bull Pain gave him a Ribera jacket when the two lived together.

-Jerry brings up a show in Dixie Highway in Louisville in the summer of 1998, where the boys worked for free two days before Ian's before. They worked for free because Ian was going to buy air conditioning for another building IWA Mid-South ran. However, the boys found out Ian bought a new TV and clothes with the money. Ian says they never even ran the building in the summer of 1998.

-Ian denies paying his workers in drugs or pot. Jerry says there's really no difference in paying JC Bailey in money and then selling drugs to him for a portion of that money immediately after paying him. Ian reiterates he was just helping a fellow working in giving Bailey the pills.

-Jerry says Ian is banned in Kentucky, although Ian insists he can apply for a license anytime. Jerry insists that he got wrestling banned at the National Guard Armory in Indiana and that his reputation precedes himself.

-Jerry says anyone in their right mind wouldn't sell drugs to an addict. He wants to know why would anyone believe Ian now with his past. Ian says he has regrets, but won't admit to anything that he hasn't done. Jerry wonders why fellow promoters and building owners are going to believe Ian when he has lied so much in the past. Ian say he did more for the wrestling business than Jerry Wiseman and Joe Bailey (JC Bailey's father) ever have. Ian says he created Punk, Cabana, Sydal, Jerry says he didn't create those guys and wants to know who Ian created without maiming or killing them. Ian immediately changes it to "develope" Punk, Cabana and Sydal. He says he helped out Alex Shelley. Jerry says Ian didn't create CM Punk, OVW created CM Punk (what?). Ian says he put Punk in the ring with Mysterio, Lynn, Sabu, Smothers, etc. Jerry says Ian used CM Punk for his personal gain. Jerry wants to know how people will believe Ian know that he's running shows again. He says Ian used out-of-style hardcore matches, uses backyard wrestlers and doesn't pay them that much if at all. Ian denies it and Jerry says Ian is trying to work himself.

-Mickie Knuckles calls in. Ian says there was a disagreement about the kids in their home and he and Mickie got into it. Mickie says she has promoters calling her telling her that Ian is trying to get her blackballed. Ian says Mickie lied to his wife Patti, saying they didn't have an affair for five years. Ian says he never beat up Mickie or tried to stab her and swears on his son's life that he never did. He says that they'll just got back and forth forever.

-Bull Pain gets on the line and says if he wouldn't lose his job he'd "Beat to f*ck out of Ian every time he saw him." He says Ian is a cancer to the wrestling business. Ian says if it wasn't for him Bull's career would be dead. Bull says Ian is useless and that Ian has owed Bull $300 for eight months. Ian says he paid Bull $50 two weeks ago and Bull says the $50 is "just interest" after not paying him for eight months. Bull says Ian has Hep C and that he's working and bleeding all over people. Ian says if he has Hep C, so do Mickie because she "swallowed a million f*cking loads."

-Pondo gets on the line and asks Ian on the day Pondo split his head open, did Ian ever get the money for that. Ian says yes. Pondo says Ian told people he never got that money and Ian denies every saying it. Pondo wants to know why he was paying Ian insurance if he didn't have any insurance. Ian says Pondo had insurance every show. Pondo says Ed Shuman (?) called and wanted to know if he needed insurance for a show and Pondo said Ian should have been paying Ed. Ian says he raised the insurance he offered and passed the heat onto Ed.

-Jerry wants to know how Ian can explain so many people turning on him lately, citing Mickie, Bull and Pondo. Ian says Mickie didn't say anything bad just says that he beat her up. He said he and Pondo have business disagreements that happen in the business. He says the he owes $50, Bull $250, he owes Balls Mahoney and Dave Taylor a good chuck of that $3,000. He says he got a real job to take care of everything, Jerry says he won't be able to pay anything back on the low salary and Ian says he can start paying people back with money from running the shows and money from SMV. He wants to do family entertainment type shows to bring in more money. Ian says the boys don't get any money from SMV films, only Ian does, and that the boys don't get anything from other videos like CZW.

-Jerry wants to know how he can turn a profit bringing in guys like Sabu, Necro Butcher, paying the building fees, paying the other guys, buying the concessions with food stamps (which Ian denies getting food stamps) and getting only 60 to 80 people at the show. He says can afford to pay people because those shows produce "nationwide and worldwide DVDs." Ian says it takes a few months to get a payment from SMV and he gets payment about once month, the last payment he got was around $300. Ian says they haven't put out anything new out for 7 months.

-Joe Bailey calls in. He says Ian is a leopard that can't his spots and has lied to a ton of people. He says some kid took out a second mortgage on his home to fund a KOTD tournament in Indiana. Bailey says that kid never got a dime back from Ian and ended up losing his house. Ian says he repaid him. Bailey brings up another person who has money from a lawsuit over their child and medical malpractice, the person gave Ian money and put a ton of money into a building where Ian can run shows, but Ian got them banned and never paid the person anything. Bailey says Ian used money marks like Jim Fannin and Vince Jones to bring in guys like Sabu and Jerry Lynn. He says Ian has no clue how to run a family entertainment show. He's going to take this interview to the prosecutor because Ian admitted to selling drugs to JC earlier. Bailey's wife didn't want Ian at the funeral, but Joe allowed it, but he later found out Bailey's sister in law gave Ian gas money to get home. Bailey says he doesn't want Ian selling anything with JC's likeness on it and he's going to get a lawyer to stop in from doing that. Bailey says he has nothing else to do except make Ian's life a living hell from here on out. Ian says "Bailey is such a mark he doesn't know what a work is." Bailey says Ian beat the crap out of Mickie with a steel chair at a show and Ian beat other kids as well. Bailey says that now Ian is back running shows, Bailey will be all over him. He says Ian's track records is enough to bury Ian. Bailey says he doesn't care if Ian's kids have food or a roof over their head because his son, JC, is in the ground from concussion trauma. Ian says Joe know about the drugs Ian sold him months ago, when JC was still alive. Bailey says he is going to nail him to a wall for selling drugs. Bailey says the new building owner where Ian is running is going to hear this and won't let Ian run. Bailey says Ian is using backyarders on the April Bloodshowers show and that Ian will have a story the day of the show that guys advertised like Sabu, Ox Harley or Necro Butcher missed their flight, because Ian always has a story.

-Ian denies a rumor about wanting to install a camera to spy on the girl's changing room.

-Jerry runs down a list of people appearing on the April Bloodshowers show and insinuates they are just backyarders. (he named guys like Devin Moore, Gresham, Lyndon, Hayme who are obviously not backyarders). Ian denies using backyarders.

-Jerry says Ian has been accused not having insurance papers and couldn't run a show recently in New Albany because of it. Ian denies it. Jerry says rumors are that Ian has papers from someone that was deceased but changed the date on the papers. Ian denies that as well. Jerry asks if he has insurance for the upcoming show. Ian says he went through a company in Oregon to get insurance and had the insurance cover send it to the venue. Ian says the venue said the insurance didn't cover what needed to be covered and the venue received a couple of calls about Ian and wouldn't allow them to run the show. Jerry asks about insurance for the upcoming show on April 8, and Ian says "he is looking at a couple of different companies." Bailey gets back on the line and says Ian calls the insurance companies shortly before bell time and cancels the insurance, so the insurance company doesn't have time to call the venue and tell them the show doesn't have insurance. Bailey and Jerry said they have never known of Ian having insurance when they promoted for Ian. Ian can't name any of the insurance companies he's working with.

-Jerry brings up a fundraiser for a little girl with the guys working for free and Ian didn't give the family any money. Ian denies ever running the show.

-Ian denies a rumor that he took the payroll for a show, gambled it away and then told the boys he lost it at a gas station.

-Ian denies ever taking liberties with people in the ring and denies every stepping over the line.

-Bailey says Pondo and JC did a circus net death match and Ian only paid them $100 each to take a 18 foot suplex onto the barbed wire circus net. He says young kids could get in the ring for Ian and kill themselves and the family couldn't get a thing for it because Ian is so poor.

-Billy Gram calls in. He says Ian threatened his life on his answering machine and took liberties with him in the ring. He says he's going to beat Ian the next time he sees him and that Ian is a sorry excuse for a human being. He says Ian used JC and that Ian gave JC drugs and that it he on tape doing it. Ian says Gram did drugs with JC also. He says he showed up at the funeral asking for gas money. Gram says Ian broke Playstation controller over his son's head and that Ian bragged to a room full of guys how Sherri Martel wanted to have sex with him. Gram says if Ian used his talent for "1/100th of good" rather than the evil Ian does that he'd be someone in this world. Gram says its on until he or Ian can't walk anymore. Gram says Ian gang jumped Dustin Lee in order to impress Lee's girlfriend and get a piece of ass. He calls Ian a woman-beater. Ian says Billy is a tough guy over the phone that Ian took advantage of guys like Mike Levy. He says Ian will be cuffed and dragged to tribal court for threatening Gram. He says the only redeeming quality about Ian is that he booked decent wrestling shows eight years ago. Gram says this all started because Ian ruined someone's unprofessionalism, but Gram waited until he had a personal reason to hate Ian. He says the whole world know what Ian did to Mickie, Levy, and Lee. He says Ian is a liar that he said he hasn't taken any liberties with anyone in the ring. Gram says Ian could have been locked up for the message he left on his machine threatening his life. He wants Ian to hang up his boots and go back to peddling tacos. He says Ian acted like he was going to kill himself for pity at a show in front of his kids. Gram says Ian will never have a good life because he'll never come clean. Gram says that Ian gave JC 35 pills and its on a tape somewhere. Gram says he tried to help JC with his problem and that JC was clean 61 days before he died and got out of rehab the day before he died. He says Ian doesn't have a plethora of claims against him by constantly telling the truth. He says other guys are afraid to say anything. Ian finally apologizes for leaving that message threatening to kill Gram and that it was done in the moment. Gram says a lot of guys can't say no to Ian. He says the only legacy Ian will leave is that he hurt people. He said he did things with Levy to work the boys, but Gram denies it. Ian says Mickie says it was a work, too. Gram says it probably was a work but Ian took it way too far. Gram hopes Ian rots in hell.

-Jerry says it hasn't been a good night for Ian, Ian says it's been a fine night. Ian says that no matter what he says, Jerry is going to twist it around. Jerry says so many people have contacted him telling the same stories about Ian and that Ian can't deny there's at least some truth to what people are saying and that Ian is only fooling himself by denying it all. Jerry says many unrelated people are telling him the same stories about Ian and that Ian's only defense is these different people are full of shit and Jerry says that he thinks Ian is full of shit. Ian denies beating up Dustin but says he got worked over and had to pay his dues. Ian said this happens and Dustin is a big crybaby. Jerry says Ian should feel terrible for hitting (pie-facing) Mickie and should apologize for at least pie-facing her, even if Ian didn't beat her. Ian says Mickie was in the house for a week after that and that he never hit Mickie and Jerry says Ian is less than a man for striking Mickie. Jerry says he doesn't feel bad for ripping Ian apart because its too easy. Ian says he helped JC by giving him pills, but Jerry says he doesn't know how a sane person could offer drugs to an addict and say that is helping someone. Jerry says that Ian has failed in apologizing to those people on the show that he has wronged in the past. Jerry says that Ian needs to go to a different planet to run shows and get martians to work, because he won't be able to run shows as long as guys like Joe Bailey and he are around.
 
Not sure if you guys have seen this, but, spoiler for a segment on RAW this coming Monday:

- WWE filmed a major angle with Snooki, Trish Stratus, Layla and Michelle McCool to air on this coming Monday's RAW yesterday at Miami Mike's Sports Zone in East Hanover, NJ, according to Popthecrowd.com.

The segment sees LayCool searching the bar for Snooki and Trish. Snooki fights with a guy trying to hit on her before LayCool finds her and they brawl in the bar. The segment, which was produced by WWE agents Finlay and Ranjin Singh, also sees LayCool put through a table.

According to the report, Snooki was supposed to begin filming at 10am but she didn't leave her hotel room until 1pm and filming didn't start until 3pm and finished around 8pm. Snooki was also said to have been heavily drinking the entire day and was bragging to the bartender that she would be a full-time WWE Diva once Jersey Shore was done.
 
Jesus TNA, you sure are doing your best to refute the "any publicity is good publicity" phrase...

[quote name='ShinSolidus']Not sure if you guys have seen this, but, spoiler for a segment on RAW this coming Monday:

- WWE filmed a major angle with Snooki, Trish Stratus, Layla and Michelle McCool to air on this coming Monday's RAW yesterday at Miami Mike's Sports Zone in East Hanover, NJ, according to Popthecrowd.com.

The segment sees LayCool searching the bar for Snooki and Trish. Snooki fights with a guy trying to hit on her before LayCool finds her and they brawl in the bar. The segment, which was produced by WWE agents Finlay and Ranjin Singh, also sees LayCool put through a table.

According to the report, Snooki was supposed to begin filming at 10am but she didn't leave her hotel room until 1pm and filming didn't start until 3pm and finished around 8pm. Snooki was also said to have been heavily drinking the entire day and was bragging to the bartender that she would be a full-time WWE Diva once Jersey Shore was done.
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No, hell fucking no. That better be them building shit up to her with no intention of making good on it. If they can't find any better talent than fucking Snooki then they'd best just disband and vacate the entire fucking divas division.
 
I think the angle involving Kurt and Karen Angle's kids is disgusting and reckless, and is affecting Kurt outside of work. If that's the case, I don't blame Kurt. He even expressed that the angle bothers him and that he's just being a "team player."

And, good lord, I hope that Raw spoiler fails to occur. That, too, is disgusting, but for different reasons.
 
I've found the Angle/Jarrett angle to be in poor taste since the beginning. It's one thing to be a team player but Kurt should just tell them enough is enough. The whole thing is Jerry Springeresque and just reinforces the negative stereotypes about wrestling.
 
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