The new Michael Moore film "Sicko" has a release date

This actually sounds pretty interesting. The health care system is definitely not perfect.
 
Well I'm a die hard Republican and I'm looking forward to seeing this. The health care system in this country is terrible and it shouldn't be a partisan issue. Hopefully this movie will draw enough attention to the problem and make it a big part of the 2008 election.
 
It amazes me that there's still Bush supporters on this website, even with his dismal 28% approval rating. When will people wake up and realize that incompetence has been leading our country for the past 6 years?
 
I love his movies, and I find it sad people knock this guy for pointing out what a horrible "leader" George W. Bush has been and still is.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']It amazes me that there's still Bush supporters on this website, even with his dismal 28% approval rating. When will people wake up and realize that incompetence has been leading our country for the past 6 years?[/quote]And when will you realize people don't change their political opinions based on what one stooge says about POLITICS on a website dedicated to BUYING CHEAP VIDEOGAMES?
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']It amazes me that there's still Bush supporters on this website, even with his dismal 28% approval rating. When will people wake up and realize that incompetence has been leading our country for the past 6 years?[/QUOTE]


Pardon me, but how did Bush get involved in this? It is possible to not like Michael Moore and George Bush at the same time. With that being said, I think I might like to see this one too b/c like a previous poster said, healthcare in this country is wack. But... for anyone listening, there is alot of money to be made in it as well. The only problem with choosing healthcare as an occupation is that you are constantly taking care of miserable and unappreciative bastards. Not all sick people are bastards, just all sick people in Kentucky. Haha. Just kidding.
 
[quote name='jughead']Pardon me, but how did Bush get involved in this? It is possible to not like Michael Moore and George Bush at the same time. With that being said, I think I might like to see this one too b/c like a previous poster said, healthcare in this country is wack. But... for anyone listening, there is alot of money to be made in it as well. The only problem with choosing healthcare as an occupation is that you are constantly taking care of miserable and unappreciative bastards. Not all sick people are bastards, just all sick people in Kentucky. Haha. Just kidding.[/quote]Haven't you heard? Bush is the sole reason why everything in America sucks. I think E-Z-B also attributes the recent lack of penny strategy guides to Bush Administration incompetance.
 
Bush came into this because people said that Moore made up shit about Bush. Yet they still cannot dispute anything Moore said except for the fact that Dubya was reading "The Pet Goat" instead of "My Pet Goat".
 
I love documentaries, but anything Michael Moore, Is so full of half-truths, and exaggerations. I rather listen to a drunk in a bar tell me the "truth"
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Bush came into this because people said that Moore made up shit about Bush. Yet they still cannot dispute anything Moore said except for the fact that Dubya was reading "The Pet Goat" instead of "My Pet Goat".[/QUOTE]Who let you out of the vs. forum?
 
[quote name='Graystone']I love documentaries, but anything Michael Moore, Is so full of half-truths, and exaggerations. I rather listen to a drunk in a bar tell me the "truth"[/QUOTE]There's not a single documentary that isn't slanted in some way.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Bush came into this because people said that Moore made up shit about Bush. Yet they still cannot dispute anything Moore said except for the fact that Dubya was reading "The Pet Goat" instead of "My Pet Goat".[/QUOTE]

Still, it has nothing to do with any post that has been made. Vote Jughead for President!
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Haven't you heard? Bush is the sole reason why everything in America sucks. I think E-Z-B also attributes the recently lack of penny strategy guides to Bush Administration incompetance.[/QUOTE]

If you think the Iraq fiasco isn't Dubya's fault, then I'm glad you're staying put in the Republican party. People like you make the party look like a bunch of idiots. Here is Dubya's resume, though:


George W. Bush (Dubya)
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
Washington, D.C. 20500

Past Work Experience

Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With father's help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments in Previous Positions

Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

Set record for most executions by any governor in American history.

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my father's appointments to the Supreme Court.

Accomplishments As President

Attacked and took over two countries.
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history.
Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).
First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board.
Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).
All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.
Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).
With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.'
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history.
In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.
Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References

At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available)
AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.
Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (they can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)
 
[quote name='The Crotch']...

I don't think anybody even mentioned Bush before this post. Good job.

As for the film: cautiously optimistic. Regardless of the truthfulness of his documentaries, Moore's films are damn good, and with a topic like this, he's not exactly lacking in material.[/QUOTE]

Then what were they talking about, genius?
 
[quote name='The Crotch']...

I don't think anybody even mentioned Bush before this post. Good job.

As for the film: cautiously optimistic. Regardless of the truthfulness of his documentaries, Moore's films are damn good, and with a topic like this, he's not exactly lacking in material.[/quote]

Exactly. His films are entertaining if nothing else. You just have to keep in mind that statistics can be manipulated to say anything. He often makes valid points, but just like everyone with an agenda, he omits info he doesn't agree with.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']If you think the Iraq fiasco isn't Dubya's fault, then I'm glad you're staying put in the Republican party. People like you make the party look like a bunch of idiots. Here is Dubya's resume, though:


A bunch of stupid shit I don't give a crap about[/quote]When did I ever say I supported "Dubya", or was a Republican? Oh, since I'm not a blind liberal like yourself, and don't condemn him in threads that aren't even related to him, you label me one? I'm not even registered to vote, nor will I ever vote, because I don't believe in government in its current state. But hey, you can stick with it, and believe your opinions and vote actually matter. Have fun with all that.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Then what were they talking about, genius?[/quote]This thread was about a movie about healthcare, which has sucked ass for a lot longer than Bush has been in office, you stupid motherfucker. Go spout your rhetoric in a place where people won't look at you as a complete retard.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']When did I ever say I supported "Dubya", or was a Republican? Oh, since I'm not a blind liberal like yourself, and don't condemn him in threads that aren't even related to him, you label me one? I'm not even registered to vote, nor will I ever vote, because I don't believe in government in its current state. But hey, you can stick with it, and believe your opinions and vote actually matter. Have fun with all that.[/QUOTE]

So since I disapprove of Dubya, that must mean that me and the other 70% of the U.S. population are all a bunch of "liberals". Good arguement. :applause:

Seriously, please never vote. Ever.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']So since I disapprove of Dubya, that must mean that me and the other 70% of the U.S. population are all a bunch of "liberals". Good arguement. :applause:

Seriously, please never vote. Ever.[/QUOTE]Seriously, if you're not talking about the movie get out. We don't need the OT forum stanked up with your nutty rambling.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']So since I disapprove of Dubya, that must mean that me and the other 70% of the U.S. population are all a bunch of "liberals". Good arguement. :applause:

Seriously, please never vote. Ever.[/QUOTE]


Okay, okay... just go to "vs. board", which was suggested earlier. BTW, your sig is awesome VG. And E-Z-B, your avatar is too.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']So since I disapprove of Dubya, that must mean that me and the other 70% of the U.S. population are all a bunch of "liberals". Good arguement. :applause:

Seriously, please never vote. Ever.[/quote]How does it feel knowing YOUR guy got more votes, and STILL lost? Did that make your vote feel that much more valuable? :applause:
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']This thread was about a movie about healthcare, which has sucked ass for a lot longer than Bush has been in office, you stupid motherfucker. Go spout your rhetoric in a place where people won't look at you as a complete retard.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Ha, his movies are called documentaries. Yeah right.[/quote]

:roll:
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']How does it feel knowing YOUR guy got more votes, and STILL lost? Did that make your vote feel that much more valuable? :applause:[/QUOTE]

No, but it felt pretty good in 2006 when the republican party got a "good ol' texas thumpin'".
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']No, but it felt pretty good in 2006 when the republican party got a "good ol' texas thumpin'".[/quote]Hey, 1 win in 8 years for the Democrats.

NOT TOO SHABBY!
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Hey, 1 win in 8 years for the Democrats.

NOT TOO SHABBY![/QUOTE]

Take a look at 2005 election results. I'm betting we'll see a trend next year that will hopefully put them out of power for another 40 years.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']:roll:[/QUOTE]

So what does criticizing Michael Moore have to do with Bush? Take it back to the vs. forum, that's what it's there for.

Back on topic, I really enjoyed Moore's documentary on the plight of Flint, MI, Roger and Me, but after that he has really gone downhill, politicizing everything for his own personal gain. It's not a bad strategy, as it obviously works and makes him millions of dollars, but it doesn't do anything for me.
 
[quote name='Trakan']No more posts about anything but the movie.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, your post wasn't there when I posted. I will oblige.
 
[quote name='gofishn']So what does criticizing Michael Moore have to do with Bush? Take it back to the vs. forum, that's what it's there for.

Back on topic, I really enjoyed Moore's documentary on the plight of Flint, MI, Roger and Me, but after that he has really gone downhill, politicizing everything for his own personal gain. It's not a bad strategy, as it obviously works and makes him millions of dollars, but it doesn't do anything for me.[/QUOTE]He needs to do something controversial. All his movies are big targets that everyone already hates.
 
I do agree though that the health care system does need a reform of some kind, and if this helps, which it may very well since Michael Moore's movies always make money, well that would be nice. I just don't want him to make the film all about him like his other movies
 
Well I'm a die hard Republican and I'm looking forward to seeing this. The health care system in this country is terrible and it shouldn't be a partisan issue. Hopefully this movie will draw enough attention to the problem and make it a big part of the 2008 election.


One can only hope that you're not too much of 'the exception', although I'm afraid Moore's name alone will somehow contort thousands into reflexively being against health care and the well-being of the less fortunate...if they're not already. He really didn't do his future, less-polarizing endeavors any favors by his previous documentary.

And for what it's worth, I own Farenheit 9/11, I've seen Loose Change: Second Edition, and all I know is that the events of that day just don't add up and we'll never know all the variables, or even the proper equation.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Well I'm a die hard Republican and I'm looking forward to seeing this. The health care system in this country is terrible and it shouldn't be a partisan issue. Hopefully this movie will draw enough attention to the problem and make it a big part of the 2008 election.


One can only hope that you're not too much of 'the exception', although I'm afraid Moore's name alone will somehow contort thousands into reflexively being against health care and the well-being of the less fortunate...if they're not already. He really didn't do his future, less-polarizing endeavors any favors by his previous documentary.

And for what it's worth, I own Farenheit 9/11, I've seen Loose Change: Second Edition, and all I know is that the events of that day just don't add up and we'll never know all the variables, or even the proper equation.[/quote]Dude, if you fold up a dollar bill in 20 different ways, it looks like the Twins Towers burning!!!
 
[quote name='Trakan']No more posts about anything but the movie.[/quote]

I don't understand why. I use his previous films as a reference to how I will gauge the quality to this upcoming movie.

I don't want to start trouble with you Trakan but I do believe I have a valid point.
 
[quote name='Xevious']I don't understand why. I use his previous films as a reference to how I will gauge the quality to this upcoming movie.

I don't want to start trouble with you Trakan but I do believe I have a valid point.[/quote]It didn't have anything to do with you, some left wing nut threadjacked this thread, and we all called him on it, and it got messy.
 
[quote name='Xevious']I don't understand why. I use his previous films as a reference to how I will gauge the quality to this upcoming movie.

I don't want to start trouble with you Trakan but I do believe I have a valid point.[/QUOTE]It was really more about E-Z-B and VanillaGorilla having a make-out session in the thread that should have been in vs, but they wanted to share their love with the rest of us. Comparative critiques (though you can't really apply it to this movie yet) should be fine.

[quote name='VanillaGorilla']It didn't have anything to do with you, some left wing nut threadjacked this thread, and we all I called trolled him on it, and it got messy.[/QUOTE]Fixed.
 
[quote name='Xevious']I don't understand why. I use his previous films as a reference to how I will gauge the quality to this upcoming movie.

I don't want to start trouble with you Trakan but I do believe I have a valid point.[/quote]

No problem. Any posts that had EZB/VanillaGorilla quoted with discussion about Bush were deleted. Feel free to repost if it's just comparison with his other movies.
 
I'll definitely see it but take everything with a grain of salt. There are some truths but I think the good part about any of these kinds of movie/shows whatever is to get people to think or take action. Well... as long as it's not Al Gore talking. oy...
 
He must be pushing all the right buttons.

The U.S. Gov't is already closing ranks and trying to take this film out of the marketplace... for real.

Unless it's just a publicity stunt. Either way, this adds a heaping load of credibility to the film before anyone in the public has even seen it.
_______________________________________________________________________

Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore is under investigation by the U.S. Treasury Department for taking ailing Sept. 11 rescue workers to Cuba for a segment in his upcoming health-care documentary "Sicko," The Associated Press has learned.

The Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control notified Moore in a letter dated May 2 that it was conducting a civil investigation for possible violations of the U.S. trade embargo restricting travel to Cuba. A copy of the letter was obtained Tuesday by the AP.

"This office has no record that a specific license was issued authorizing you to engage in travel-related transactions involving Cuba," Dale Thompson, OFAC chief of general investigations and field operations, wrote in the letter to Moore.

In February, Moore took about 10 ailing workers from the Ground Zero rescue effort in Manhattan for treatment in Cuba, said a person working with the filmmaker on the release of "Sicko." The person requested anonymity because Moore's attorneys had not yet determined how to respond.

After receiving the letter, Moore arranged to place a copy of the film in a "safe house" outside the country to protect it from government interference, said the person working on the release of the film.

Treasury officials declined to answer questions about the letter. "We don't comment on enforcement actions," said department spokeswoman Molly Millerwise.

The letter noted that Moore applied Oct. 12, 2006, for permission to go to Cuba "but no determination had been made by OFAC." Moore sought permission to travel there under a provision for full-time journalists, the letter said.

According to the letter, Moore was given 20 business days to provide OFAC with such information as the date of travel and point of departure; the reason for the Cuba trip and his itinerary there; and the names and addresses of those who accompanied him, along with their reasons for going.


http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20070510/117880002000.html
 
Well I got into a fight with some of my friends over his gun movie. I am for gun control myself but I thought the film Bowling for Columbine was a very flawed film. I have mixed feelings about Michael Moore. I like the fact that he is tackling these topics and bringing them to the public eye but I don't care for his execution.
 
[quote name='Trakan']No problem. Any posts that had EZB/VanillaGorilla quoted with discussion about Bush were deleted. Feel free to repost if it's just comparison with his other movies.[/QUOTE]

Understood.
 
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