The "New" NASA

[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']How is that water under the ocean floor fundamentally different than water above the ocean floor?

Is there helium 3 on the ocean floor?

Will inhabiting the ocean floor protect us from the next extinction event?

Can the ocean floor be terraformed?

There is some merit in exploring the ocean. If a submersible can handle hundreds of times surface pressure, handle hundreds of degrees Celsius and keep the pilot safe, it would be perfect for Venus. The standard submersible would be perfect for Europa right now.[/QUOTE]

No clue, we havnt explored it.

No clue, we havnt explored it.

No, but how realistic is living on the moon or any other planet anytime soon? Meanwhile do we not already know there are usefull resources on this planet still not discovered! Honestly thats my whole point, for the godly amount of money we waste on space exploration we could spend it to actually discover useful resources here.
 
It shouldn't be an either or situation. It just goes to show how underfunded science is. Even worse when we spend $700+ a year on defense.

On that same note, I don't have a problem with one way missions. If people are willing to make the sacrifice, who's to stop them?

We as a nation seem to have little issue sending thousands to die in unprovoked wars that are at best tangentially related to enhancing our safety and at worse make us less safe by furthering anti-American sentiment....
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']No clue, we havnt explored it.

No clue, we havnt explored it.

No, but how realistic is living on the moon or any other planet anytime soon? Meanwhile do we not already know there are usefull resources on this planet still not discovered! Honestly thats my whole point, for the godly amount of money we waste on space exploration we could spend it to actually discover useful resources here.[/QUOTE]

The water under the ocean is simply heated and sprinkled with nutrients for microbes and other life in the ocean to feed on.

It can be useful to observe in terms of underwater farming or designing geothermal systems.

There is no appreciable amounts of helium 3 on Earth because of Earth's magnetic field.

Colonizing the moon and Mars can be done with today's technology.

Colonizing other worlds is more relevant to this country's and our species' survival than most of what the DOD spends money on now.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']The water under the ocean is simply heated and sprinkled with nutrients for microbes and other life in the ocean to feed on.

It can be useful to observe in terms of underwater farming or designing geothermal systems.

There is no appreciable amounts of helium 3 on Earth because of Earth's magnetic field.

Colonizing the moon and Mars can be done with today's technology.

Colonizing other worlds is more relevant to this country's and our species' survival than most of what the DOD spends money on now.[/QUOTE]

But what good is colonizing the moon or mars? Yes we could then possibly move even further out, but for now there is absoultly no point in this. Also you comment that its for survival....but survival of what? Most major catastrophes that would hit the earth such as a nuke war or meteor would also do major damage to our ecosystem meaning we would be living on the moon...with no food or water. Yes we could possibly grow food on the moon or in pods or any number of places, but water is much more difficult and even food is a major task.

Again meanwhile we have lots of resources here on earth we are not vitalizing.

I agree that for what we waste on wars and defense we could easily afford to spend on space travel...but I still think that space travel is currently over hyped and people are being unrealistic with their expectations.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']But what good is colonizing the moon or mars? Yes we could then possibly move even further out, but for now there is absoultly no point in this. Also you comment that its for survival....but survival of what? Most major catastrophes that would hit the earth such as a nuke war or meteor would also do major damage to our ecosystem meaning we would be living on the moon...with no food or water. Yes we could possibly grow food on the moon or in pods or any number of places, but water is much more difficult and even food is a major task.

Again meanwhile we have lots of resources here on earth we are not vitalizing.

I agree that for what we waste on wars and defense we could easily afford to spend on space travel...but I still think that space travel is currently over hyped and people are being unrealistic with their expectations.[/QUOTE]

Do you know what the root cause of most wars is?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Do you know what the root cause of most wars is?[/QUOTE]

Traditionally I believe its been close borders and I am guessing that is the answer you are looking for. Realistically in recent years I would argue that greed and religion have been the larger player. Please do not tell me close borders or some other kind of land argument is going to be the excuse for space exploration?

Really at the end of the day I do not see a point to this argument. This seems to be one of those rare issues where there are no political lines nor common sense answer. Some people feel we should be exploring space more, some disagree and both have valid points.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Agree to disagree? Weak sauce.[/QUOTE]

No, I am just not a jackass like most people. I can recognize whenever something is going to be an endless argument and not waste my life arguing over something I cant change. In this case I said agree to disagree because even though I think your a dick(as not being able to agree to disagree and responses in the housing topic show) I think you have valid points. Hey, I at least tried to put a polite end to the conversation!
 
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