The OFFICIAL Batman Begins topic!

[quote name='jesta2817']Saw the movie last night and loved it.

A couple of minor things bothered me though.

1) Bale's batman voice sounded like he's been smoking for 25 years

2) This may be stupid but did anybody else notice that wart thing by Bale's eye?

Besides my own personal rants, great movie[/QUOTE]

I think he was disguising his voice so he would not be discovered.
 
[quote name='jesta2817']Saw the movie last night and loved it.

A couple of minor things bothered me though.

1) Bale's batman voice sounded like he's been smoking for 25 years

2) This may be stupid but did anybody else notice that wart thing by Bale's eye?

Besides my own personal rants, great movie[/QUOTE]

Haha! I saw that "mole" near his nose/eye as well. I though this was one of, it not the best origin movies. They really let you understand how Batman could do what he does, how the gadgets can do what they do and grounded everything in reality. The villian did not steal the show with this one either and the focus was clearly on Batman/Bruce Wayne. Bale was totally credibly as a physically imposig figure, and without spoiling the movie, you can see that he really though tout the whole "batman idea" prior to starting his crusade and that he is not out there fight purse snatchers and random crime. Definite 5 out of 5 for me.
 
[quote name='j.elles']Kind of explained that in the movie. Needed a better material because it would shatter on impact.[/QUOTE]

What in the world does that have to do with his chin looking odd in the mask? I think they could have either sculpted a better close up one for him or done a few less close up shots of his face. It wasn't a big deal it just seemed a bit off.
 
I can honestly say that the only thing I'm disappointed about....is that it has raised my standards for the summer blockbuster, and will definitely ruin Fantastic 4 and maybe War of the Worlds. Be that good or bad, you decide.
 
It's his first costume. He's still experimenting with the look and voice and such. All in all i'm glad for these touches. Makes it more realistic and shows that he's doing some things on the spot. Best bat costume though in my opinion so far. Like spiderman it'll be better in the second one.
 
Christian Bale was the best Bruce Wayne but I still like Michael Keaton has Batman. Morgan Freeman is always a joy. The movie was great but only sightly above the original Batman movie due to the fighting scenes. They were too close and had so many quick cuts that make it hard to see whats happening. I hope they they fix this in the sequel.
 
Intentional really. Looking back I can see how you might say that. But watching them both recently I think it's no contest. Your right on that though the fight scenes where he takes on the lead villian should be better in the second one. But i've seen a lot of Bale's other movies. Like American Psycho and such, so I think he was no contest the best batman. Plus like I said it's his first time as Batman. He just made the suit. In the second one i'm expecting major revisions. Kinda similiar to James Bond, major new tech and revisions to his suit and car and the Bat cave being complete. All in all the second one is looking to be killer. I already can't wait to see it.
 
Just saw the movie last night and I hafta say, it was quite good. It totally redeemed the abysmal steaming hill of feces created by Joel "Nipples" Schumacher. I especially liked the special effects on the 'demon' bat.
 
Just came back from the movie....great...absolutely. I remember the whole topic before talking about Watanabe being Ra's...I liked what they did there.

I really loved this movie. I do have to put it up there as probably THE best Batman movie. I loved the original Batman, but Batman Begins did a great job with one of my most favorite superheroes.

Now, I do have a question. A while ago I came into a discussion on the pronounciation of the name Ra's Al Ghul. I always pronounced it Raas like they did in the movie, but I was told it really is pronounced "Rashe". Just wondering.

Still...greatly recommended. I also thought the same thing...I will be greatly dissapointed with Fantastic Four after seeing a great movie like this. Better than the X-Men movie also. Like another mentioned, the Batmobile look did not bother me as much as it did when it was previewed way back then. It actually makes sense in a way.
 
It was a good movie, but I don't think I care for the reimagining of Batman's training. Other that, I don't have many complaints. Oldman, Freeman and Neeson were all perfectly cast, I say.
 
Let me start by saying I made a meager attempt to see if there was another thread already and didn't find one. If there is, my apologies in advance.

I just made this thread to share with any of my CAG friends out there my thoughts on the new Batman Begins movie. I am no raging Batman fan, though I've always liked him and the other Superheroes pretty well. I went into this movie thinking "at least it looks like they took Batman seriously this time but who knows if the movie is any good."

Let me just tell you - If you're holding out on seeing this movie for any reason other than blindness, you have GOT to go and see it. I truly can't imagine anybody disliking Batman Begins. Excellent plot, fantastic character development, excellent action sequences, and BEST of all there were no lame scenes where 50 guys are shooting machine guns at Batman from 3 feet away and he escapes by virtue of his being Batman (I HATE bullet-dodging in movies). As stated before, I am no Batman scholar, but I saw only one glaring plot discrepency from what I know of the comics and I have a friend who is diehard Batman fanatic who said the same (he also had little trouble forgiving the discrepency).

People, this movie is NOTHING like the previous Batman movies. They did an extremely good job taking the Batman legend seriously and made one of the best, if not THE best, Superhero movie I have ever seen.

I did my best not to include any spoilers. Read on at your own risk...
 
Gotta say I loved this movie too. One thing I didn't like was the bat-tank thingy. Everything else was excellent. I'm a super-hero nut, so I guess I'm a little biased, but I think this is one of the better superhero movies made. Definetly worth a trip to a theatres... unless you own some 40,000 dollar home theatre system. :)
 
[quote name='DV8']Gotta say I loved this movie too. One thing I didn't like was the bat-tank thingy. Everything else was excellent. I'm a super-hero nut, so I guess I'm a little biased, but I think this is one of the better superhero movies made. Definetly worth a trip to a theatres... unless you own some 40,000 dollar home theatre system. :)[/QUOTE]

Well, if you're a superhero nut, then you should've liked the bat tank. You have to remember this was a Batman origin story and thus Batman will make a lot of mistakes. He doesn't fully know the best toys and gadgets to use in his War on Crime. So it stands to reason that he wouldn't know yet that a military-grade vehicle is overkill for an urban jungle.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Well, if you're a superhero nut, then you should've liked the bat tank. You have to remember this was a Batman origin story and thus Batman will make a lot of mistakes. He doesn't fully know the best toys and gadgets to use in his War on Crime. So it stands to reason that he wouldn't know yet that a military-grade vehicle is overkill for an urban jungle.[/QUOTE]

This was one of the reasons i liked the movie best by the way. i think it kind of returned to earth a little bit. One of the reasons i didnt care for the first two new star movies (ep 1 and 2) was the fact there was so much "ya rite" over the top crap.

In Batman Begins, they descend away from the over the top batman stuff (like the later sh*tmaucher movies posessed...) and went for a more "realistic" approach.

ya, by realistic, of course, i mean a bit more believeable. Not one time during the movie did i say something like "comon how can batman ALWAYS have the rite equipment on his utility belt!" Plus the movie does a good job explaining the origin of everything he uses, and the reasons they were created, thus giving a better impression of how down to earth bruce wayne and the batman world is.
 
Like I said in the other topic, I didn't like it much at all. I thought it was too long, and there were too many pointless villains. "WE GOT HiM!!... oh wait he's just a henchman" "HAHAH NOW WE GOT YOU!!!... oh crap just another henchman" And Katie Holmes's nipples showing through her shirt in a few scenes was simply unacceptable. Get a bra!!
 
This was the best batman I have ever seen. I mean I remember watching the other Batmans when I was younger and really into the dark knight however I would always get bored with the plot. Awesome movie a definte must see if you were ever disappointed by the pervious batmans made in the 90's.
 
I loved it as well, and I actually preferred over X2 (which was previously my favorite comic movie; Spiderman was whiney). I can honestly say that there was not much I would've changed herel; there were no awkward moments or pacing problems.
 
[quote name='j.elles']Ya but for realism an understandable change.[/QUOTE]

How so? I don't consider Batman training to be a killer in the Society of Shadows more realistic than him travelling the earth and studying under lots of masters for escape artistry, various martial arts, acrobatics, etc. And he didn't finish college, or even do well when he went according to the movie, which doesn't jibe well with him being a legendary detective.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Like I said in the other topic, I didn't like it much at all. I thought it was too long, and there were too many pointless villains. "WE GOT HiM!!... oh wait he's just a henchman" "HAHAH NOW WE GOT YOU!!!... oh crap just another henchman" And Katie Holmes's nipples showing through her shirt in a few scenes was simply unacceptable. Get a bra!![/QUOTE]

I'm assuming this topic will get absorbed by the other one, so it's not a waste to post in it, right mods? Anyway, re: your henchmen criticism: look at the enemy Batman turned out to be fighting, though. He's a legendary tactician. It's not unlike him at all to use so many feints and throwaway goons, especially when he knew the closest thing to a rival he has was working against him.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']So what was the plot discrepancy?

*Force Choke*

Apology accepted... chosen1s

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55575[/QUOTE]

My sarcasm-meter is off, so I'm not sure if the first question was serious or not. Still...

I'll say again that I am no great Batman scholar - but I didn't think Batman had a love interest - specifically, a love interest who knows he is Bruce Wayne.
 
Speaking of another plot discrepancy, in the comics Batman still doesn't know who killed his parents right? Because I remember one of the things about Batman was that whenever he saw a criminal, he would always think that they might have been the one to kill his parents, and thats why he is the way he is. Just wondering.
 
[quote name='DV8']Gotta say I loved this movie too. One thing I didn't like was the bat-tank thingy.[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen it yet, but I never liked the prospect of a Sherman tank instead of the sleek Batmobile.
 
Has to be realistic. Finishing his schooling at 13 or so, travelling the world and studying and mastering every martial related art on top of his mad skills in language science, etc. . . is to comic booky. The way the movie did it I could see it actually happening in real life. The comic. . . not so much. I loved the changes to the training myself.
 
[quote name='j.elles']Has to be realistic. Finishing his schooling at 13 or so, travelling the world and studying and mastering every martial related art on top of his mad skills in language science, etc. . . is to comic booky. The way the movie did it I could see it actually happening in real life. The comic. . . not so much. I loved the changes to the training myself.[/QUOTE]

Actual Batman's that driven. This alternate universe Emo Batman isn't up to it, I guess.
 
[quote name='darkcrawlspace']Speaking of another plot discrepancy, in the comics Batman still doesn't know who killed his parents right? Because I remember one of the things about Batman was that whenever he saw a criminal, he would always think that they might have been the one to kill his parents, and thats why he is the way he is. Just wondering.[/QUOTE]


Batman always knew, well he knew as of "Batman" No. 47 (1948), long ago enough to say always aleast :), His origin is told in "Detective" No. 235, 1956.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']And Katie Holmes's nipples showing through her shirt in a few scenes was simply unacceptable. Get a bra!![/QUOTE]

But that was her only contribution to the film. :lol:
 
[quote name='darkcrawlspace']Speaking of another plot discrepancy, in the comics Batman still doesn't know who killed his parents right? Because I remember one of the things about Batman was that whenever he saw a criminal, he would always think that they might have been the one to kill his parents, and thats why he is the way he is. Just wondering.[/QUOTE]

Batman found out who the killer was but if you notice, I said Batman, not Bruce Wayne. He didn't find out until he was fully established as Batman and not before unlike in the movie.

[quote name='chosen1s']My sarcasm-meter is off, so I'm not sure if the first question was serious or not. Still...

I'll say again that I am no great Batman scholar - but I didn't think Batman had a love interest - specifically, a love interest who knows he is Bruce Wayne.[/QUOTE]

Heh, the 1st one was a serious question. The commentary afterwards was for you setting yourself up for the joke. :D

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Anyway, in the beginning, yeah, Batman didn't have a love interest - which is why I thought Katie Holmes' character would end up being Ra's Al Ghul's daughter Talia in an elaborate setup spanning 20 something years to create the Dark Knight.
 
[quote name='Wombat5277']Batman always knew, well he knew as of "Batman" No. 47 (1948), long ago enough to say always aleast :), His origin is told in "Detective" No. 235, 1956.[/QUOTE]

I never knew that, thanks for the info. So does the movie actually play out like the comic did? After the movie ended, my stupid friend actually said "The movie isn't like the comic book at all. Everyone know's that Joker killed Batman's parents." But anyways, this is definitely my favorite Batman flick. I can't wait to see the next one. Any predictions on who Joker will be played by?
 
[quote name='darkcrawlspace']I never knew that, thanks for the info. So does the movie actually play out like the comic did? After the movie ended, my stupid friend actually said "The movie isn't like the comic book at all. Everyone know's that Joker killed Batman's parents." But anyways, this is definitely my favorite Batman flick. I can't wait to see the next one. Any predictions on who Joker will be played by?[/QUOTE]

Your friend is stupid since he doesn't know his comic history. This one is FAR more accurate than Tim Burton's vision.
 
I think it was in the older animated series that the person joker was killed Bruce's parents too. I liked the way the movie played it out better. I wasn't expecting it for one, and it gave another dimension to Bruce Wayne.

Anyways, I need to go watch this movie again. I don't think I ever had this feeling before. There's just so much that I want to see again.
 
I've read the comics quite extensively. Golden age versus modern thing etc. . .

He has a brother, no he doesn't. Catwomen's odd directions. Being a good guy, losing memory, etc. . . The ever switching who killed his parents. When it comes down to it DC can be annoying with canon. Voiding some issues as not canon down the road. Like his brother and Huntress not being his daughter. All very annoying to debate about. Overall the changes didn't make for a bad movie. It was great. Or do you prefer Kilmer and Clooney. And although he was good, the short comedian Keaton.

They did change a lot though. Leslie Thompkins wasn't there for exaple. Alfred was there instead. Instead of being the worlds most perfect human. Which is his DC description. He has flaws and is working them out. And the reason he doesn't kill was put to such great effect by that whole scene with the killer the mob boss and the trial I frankly didn't care. Overall all the changes were perfect and it was a great movie.
If more superhero movies comeout like this one I think no one can complain. As for the future of game movies. . .
 
Finally, a Batman movie done right. IMO, it's the best Batman movie to have ocme out, even with some plot descrepencies that don't fit it exactly right with the other films IMO. All I have to say is that it was excellent. The only thing that I found to be not so good was Katie Holmes'(sp) acting. It wasn't attrocious, but it wasn't particularily something great nor like Kirsten Dunst in the Spidermans. Christian Bale acted very well and he really surprised me with his Batman. I, for one, didn't believe that he could pull it off, but he showed me.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Finally, a Batman movie done right. IMO, it's the best Batman movie to have ocme out, even with some plot descrepencies that don't fit it exactly right with the other films IMO. All I have to say is that it was excellent. The only thing that I found to be not so good was Katie Holmes'(sp) acting. It wasn't attrocious, but it wasn't particularily something great nor like Kirsten Dunst in the Spidermans. Christian Bale acted very well and he really surprised me with his Batman. I, for one, didn't believe that he could pull it off, but he showed me.[/QUOTE]

If you'd seen him in Equilibrium or American Psycho, you'd think otherwise. After seeing those films, Batman, well, it was MADE for him. He got just the right amount of (excuse the pun) batshit crazy & dark brooding mixed that I don't know how come he wasn't chosen earlier as Batman.:D
 
I saw the movie again with a bunch of friends. I was trying to concentrate on the movie, but since all of my friends rather flirt and whatnot, I was kind of distracted.

Nevertheless, I really enjoyed it again, best movie of the year, and I got goosebumps from the same scene I did the first time I saw it, that being the part when Rachel founds out who Batman is and Batman soared through the streets of Gotham. Also, it was the first movie ever I watched twice in the movie theatres.

Plus, I paid for all of my friend's tickets and only a few paid me back, so I hope everyone else pays me back (I won't ask for it). I even paid for food for a couple girls, but I guess I can let that go. And if you want to know, I paid for 12 people, including myself. I still need to get back $60 ($10 a ticket, 5 people, and one ticket went to waste because the guy couldn't make it, so only way I'll get paid for that ticket is if he pays to cover for it). But, at times, people offered to pay me back for the stuff I paid for, but I kept refusing them. I guess I shouldn't have.
 
I loved the movie as a whole (especially the ending!)
But, I didn't really get the scene at the end where Bruce and Rachel kiss. Are they a couple or aren't they? Then they were holding hands.... hmmm something got left out on the editing room floor.
 
[quote name='thehuskerfan']I loved the movie as a whole (especially the ending!)
But, I didn't really get the scene at the end where Bruce and Rachel kiss. Are they a couple or aren't they? Then they were holding hands.... hmmm something got left out on the editing room floor.[/QUOTE]

They're not. Remember, she said that the 'man she loved' aka Bruce Wayne never returned (hinting that he abstractly died) and now only Batman remains. Batman is one of the more interesting comic book characters in that the 'secret disguise' is NOT Batman but rather Bruce Wayne. Unlike Clark Kent, who uses the Superman identity to protect those he loves, Batman uses the Bruce Wayne identity as a means to an end - buying supplies for his all his toys, using Waynetech's Research & Development as his testing ground for new Bat gadgets, etc.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']They're not. Remember, she said that the 'man she loved' aka Bruce Wayne never returned (hinting that he abstractly died) and now only Batman remains. Batman is one of the more interesting comic book characters in that the 'secret disguise' is NOT Batman but rather Bruce Wayne. Unlike Clark Kent, who uses the Superman identity to protect those he loves, Batman uses the Bruce Wayne identity as a means to an end - buying supplies for his all his toys, using Waynetech's Research & Development as his testing ground for new Bat gadgets, etc.[/QUOTE]
Yup, that about sums it up for me.... I was just confused why they were all lovey-dovey and holding hands in the next scene.
 
I just saw it a second time, and I have to say, the last line in the movie is one of my favorite quotes ever.

Gordon: "Hold on, I never got the chance to thank you."
*pause*
Batman: "And you'll never have to."
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Batman is one of the more interesting comic book characters in that the 'secret disguise' is NOT Batman but rather Bruce Wayne. Unlike Clark Kent, who uses the Superman identity to protect those he loves, Batman uses the Bruce Wayne identity as a means to an end - buying supplies for his all his toys, using Waynetech's Research & Development as his testing ground for new Bat gadgets, etc.[/QUOTE]


They've really amended that in recent years to be batman has no identity. Batman is just as fake as Bruce. You see the real Bruce around Leslie Thompkins, and a couple other people. He's in flux. Read the Death of the Maidens Graphic Novel to get the point. Like Alfred said even if your parents were still alive you'd still be Batman, you enjoy what you do too much. Basically the graphic novel led you to beleive his adopted mother's,Leslie Thompkins, life long dedication to being a doctor is what fueled his dedication as Batman. He stops what he's doing in the middle of crime fighting to answer her call, it had seems of him visiting her in some little foreign country where she was helping the refugees in a war torn country etc. . .

I personally liked it, maybe they'll stop being angsty with old Bruce in the comics at some point in the near future.
 
Well, I finally saw it today, I LOVED it! although the sound was way too loud. My dad also liked it, I loved the way the director explained why bruce did what he did. And how can you not love the end of the movie. I can't wait until *SPOILER*



























































they start casting for the joker, I wonder who would be a good choice?
 
[quote name='j.elles']They've really amended that in recent years to be batman has no identity. Batman is just as fake as Bruce. You see the real Bruce around Leslie Thompkins, and a couple other people. He's in flux. Read the Death of the Maidens Graphic Novel to get the point. Like Alfred said even if your parents were still alive you'd still be Batman, you enjoy what you do too much. Basically the graphic novel led you to beleive his adopted mother's,Leslie Thompkins, life long dedication to being a doctor is what fueled his dedication as Batman. He stops what he's doing in the middle of crime fighting to answer her call, it had seems of him visiting her in some little foreign country where she was helping the refugees in a war torn country etc. . .

I personally liked it, maybe they'll stop being angsty with old Bruce in the comics at some point in the near future.[/QUOTE]

Is Death of the Maidens continuity? The one with Wonder Woman and the Fates? I read the TPB but I don't remember if this was in accepted as current Batman lore or Elseworld fodder.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']If you'd seen him in Equilibrium or American Psycho, you'd think otherwise. After seeing those films, Batman, well, it was MADE for him. He got just the right amount of (excuse the pun) batshit crazy & dark brooding mixed that I don't know how come he wasn't chosen earlier as Batman.:D[/QUOTE]

I agree! By the way the have a special edition of American Psycho coming out on dvd.
 
It's the one with Al Ghul's succesor. Crazy bitch kept on killing Talia in one scene and throwing her into a "fixed" Lazerus pit and Shooting her until she would serve her. Pretty intersting story really. Liked it more then the depressing arcs in current issues. Spoiler dieing etc. . . If they bring Sasha, his former bodeyguard, back from Checkmate or even put her in Gotham as a semi permenant charecter i might even subscribe again instead of just reading the graphic novels.

It was canon. But with DC it they can change their mind at any point. But ya it's canon. The story has too much build up and hints at future arcs. Bats needs a girl. That would get me to read again more actively. Maybe not a girl just start dating. List of some fan favorites is of course Catwoman, WWoman, Helena his former daughter and now female counterpart(the way they've written her), distant maybe is Barbera Gorden. Some others but there minor. Any opinions from people who have at least been semi keeping up with canon.
 
I just watched The Machinist last night with Christian Bale.....he is the (no shaq emblem)ing man. The movie is very dark and his performance is incredible by appearance if nothing else. Anyone who likes him as Batman as I do must see American Psycho and The Machinist.
I'm going to see Batman again tonight after I watch American Psycho again.

The Dark Knight Returns!
 
I'm more of a Marvel Comics guy but I really enjoyed this movie. There are a few points I like to make though (Some spoilers).

1. I really didnt have a problem with Katie Holmes' acting. The only problem I have with her is that she looks like a little girl. She seems better suited for High School/College movies.

2. I'm glad that how the Scarecrow was one of the main villians in the movie. I also like the fact that he got away and it leaves the door open for him returning in a future movie.

3. The biggest problem with the movie was the editing. Its like the editor has ADD and the whole movie was cut waaaay too fast. The action scenes were all kinda a blur too.
 
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