The Official Heroes Season 2 Discussion Thread II - Ends Dec. 3 =[

So...who do you guys
think is lying, Bob or Adam?


[quote name='wubb']Possibly already discussed here(?) but the latest EW has a blurb from the creator of Heroes saying he realizes he screwed things up with the beginning of this season.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20158840,00.html

The main one I agree with is his first point - Pacing is too slow. And really his 4th point - Hiro in feudal Japan too long - is just an offshot of that.[/QUOTE]
Hadn't been discussed. Good to see he plans to learn from his mistakes.
 
Damn. There are only 3 more episodes left. Does that mean theres going to be a dirt cheap season 2 boxset? Will they release it as Season II-Part 1?
To be honest, I'd rather wait a few months so I can get the full Heroes experience then be screwed by rushing the hell out of everything. Oh well, next week looks amazing. More Kristen Bell!
 
There was one thing that completely ruined this episode for me...
They completely, in my opinion, shit all over DL's character. If he had died when Linderman shot him, he would have died a hero. Having him live through that only to be shot by some random dude in a club? Bull shit. They could have had him die of the Shanti virus or something else...But getting shot cause Niki has a third personality? Complete and utterly shitting on his character...
Some of the other stuff that happened I liked
such as using Adam's blood to heal Nathan or how Peter ended up in the crate.
But the first thing really helped kill a lot of this episode for me.
 
There was one thing that completely ruined this episode for me...
They completely, in my opinion, shit all over DL's character. If he had died when Linderman shot him, he would have died a hero. Having him live through that only to be shot by some random dude in a club? Bull shit. They could have had him die of the Shanti virus or something else...But getting shot cause Niki has a third personality? Complete and utterly shitting on his character...
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I agree completely.
Why the hell would you kill DL that way? I mean, they could have at least killed him off when he saved the girl from the fire. Sure, it would be sort of lame, but way better than some random idiot shooting him. Really pissed me off as well.
 
[quote name='Azumangaman']I agree completely.
Why the hell would you kill DL that way? I mean, they could have at least killed him off when he saved the girl from the fire. Sure, it would be sort of lame, but way better than some random idiot shooting him. Really pissed me off as well.
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Thirded, that was annoying. Not a bad ep but not great either.
 
Can we assume that because of the WGA strike they've already locked in the 'Season Finale' for the December 3rd episode? Consequently, can we assume that there wouldn't be another Spring 'miniseason', even if the situation is resolved sooner than later? The fact that this show was finally starting to get good again (and feature Kristen Bell* much more prominently) is a real kick in the nuts.

I know it wasn't supposed to premiere until mid-February and I know they've got eight episodes 'in the can', but this shit had better not compromise LOST. Make it work, people. Find a way.

*--Elle needs spanked badly. (Get it??)
 
That might have been tricky given that Missy Peregym couldn't return to reprise her role as Candice Wilmer (assuming Candice didn't change 'default' appearance until after she rescued Sylar).

Although...maybe he'll get his own backstory segment down the line.
 
Great episode though the more I watch thsi show the less I care about Nikki/Jessica and ofcourse the Mexican twins. Their power and story is just so damn boring and not to mention stupid. Ugh.
 
The Mexi-twins will get better once Alejandro comes back from the future with his badass long hair, soul patch,and sword then warns present day Alejandro that Sylar is evil. Oh wait...
 
[quote name='Pancake Rabbit']I'm not racist or anything but...
I'm getting really sick of the damn Mexicans and their story-line.
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They're not Mexican...
But I agree, their storyline is going nowhere.
 
I though Kristen Bell stole the show last episode. Something about her character makes you want to like her but you can sense she's has a few loose screws. I hope she destined to become a full time cast member.
The Nikki/DL storyline was awful and I don't know what it contributed to the over all story but how Nikki ended up seeking help from the company. Seems like the writers are trying ultra hard to make this character be relevant and it is not working. I hope more sparks occur when Peter and Elle meet up again. And ending this Arc on Dec 3rd could be a good thing. The first season seemed to drag on. Having shorter story arcs will keep the plots fresh for a series like this.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']I though Kristen Bell stole the show last episode. Something about her character makes you want to like her but you can sense she's has a few loose screws. I hope she destined to become a full time cast member.
The Nikki/DL storyline was awful and I don't know what it contributed to the over all story but how Nikki ended up seeking help from the company. Seems like the writers are trying ultra hard to make this character be relevant and it is not working. I hope more sparks occur when Peter and Elle meet up again. And ending this Arc on Dec 3rd could be a good thing. The first season seemed to drag on. Having shorter story arcs will keep the plots fresh for a series like this.
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Hmmn, I thought Bell's character was petulant and unnecessary, especially since they were hyping her up when she joined the show. So far, she's nothing more than a gimmick to get Veronica Mars fans to tune to the show.

I do like how
Mica's dad was killed so suddenly. It reminds the audience that the heroes are not invincible--- well, except for the four that actually are invincible.
 
[quote name='CouRageouS']They should have shown how Sylar got to where he was. That would be more interesting than the time spent on Nikki in this ep.[/QUOTE]


Didnt they already cover Sylar's past in season 1? He became the watch/clock fixer because of his power, not that he knew that it was a power. Or are you saying the moment he realized he could fix that shit better than pam anderson can smoke a pole?
 
I think he meant from being 'dead' over the manhole cover to being in a shack in Central America.

P.S. I will never complain about the inclusion of Kristen Bell. Her character's an interesting counterpoint to Nikki, too.

That is to say:

Elle = 'Good girl' that's really bad.

Nikki = 'Bad girl' that's really good.

Or so it would seem....
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']I think he meant from being 'dead' over the manhole cover to being in a shack in Central America.

P.S. I will never complain about the inclusion of Kristen Bell. Her character's an interesting counterpoint to Nikki, too.

That is to say:

Elle = 'Good girl' that's really bad.

Nikki = 'Bad girl' that's really good.

Or so it would seem....[/QUOTE]

How is Elle a "good girl" ? So far she's been shown as a sadistic, murderous brat with very few sympathetic qualities.
 
Well, that's why I put 'good girl' in paraphrase marks. She's got the sweet little voice, calls Peter a "toy", and, well, go back and watch her 'backstory' confession early in the episode. She's kind of got the 'arrested development' thing going on. She's got a faux innocent schtick working, albeit a very passive-aggressive, twisted version of Innocence.

Like I said in a previous post, she really needs a good spanking. "Jessica", on the other hand, would thrust the paddle into your hand while you're pinned down under her boot. But she really wants to make it right and be a good mom!

P.S. Even I think that's too many paraphrase marks for one post.
 
If anything, I'd say that Elle is a very unsympathetic character that will later redeem herself through some sort of sacrifice. In this sense, her character is very stereotypical and cliched.
 
So Adam was held captive for 30 years? Damn, I wonder if he's kept up with current events/style. What the hell does someone do for 30 years in lockdown? Wow, no wonder he's upset.
 
the twins are Venezuelan.


for an episode that was supposed to recap the 4 month gap i thought it was very lackluster and didnt cover nearly as much as i would have liked. DL dying like that was lame. Elle was the only bright spot in the episode. But they didn't address a ton of stuff like the Bennetts, Parkman/mohinder/molly, Sylar, and what the shit ever happened to claude
 
Alright, where to start.

I liked the episode, but it left me wondering many things. Like about the Twins.

They start off at a wedding in the Domincan Republic. Then they are in Venezula. Where are they from? If its the DR, why in the world would they go through all those countries to get into the US, when they could've gotten a coyote to take them on a boat or something from the DR to Miami or somewhere?

Also with Peter, wouldn't he have gained the Haitians power by being in close proximity? Or does the Haitians power make it to where he can't be copied? I don't really like how the picture helped Peter remember, but it made it interesting.

Next weeks episode should be good, as it seems to have a lot of action happening in it, atleast from the preview. I wonder who HRG ends up shooting, hopefully Mohinder, Bob, or West. And Claire and Elle are supposed to get into a fight soon, should be fun to watch
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Alright, where to start.

Also with Peter, wouldn't he have gained the Haitians power by being in close proximity? Or does the Haitians power make it to where he can't be copied? I don't really like how the picture helped Peter remember, but it made it interesting.
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i assume because the haitian suppresses powers that peter is unable to absorb his power
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']
i assume because the haitian suppresses powers that peter is unable to absorb his power
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But does that mean Peter can erase memories, unless the Haitian uses 2 abilities at once. Either way, if the Haitian is the only one that can stop Peter, thats pretty badass in its own right.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']
But does that mean Peter can erase memories, unless the Haitian uses 2 abilities at once. Either way, if the Haitian is the only one that can stop Peter, thats pretty badass in its own right.
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maybe, he is the only person to recover his memory after the haitian erased it
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']
maybe, he is the only person to recover his memory after the haitian erased it
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That was because of Claire's healing powers, supposedly. In theory, Adam and Claire should be able to do the same.

fuck, this show still sucks.
 
[quote name='Pancake Rabbit']Someone made a comment along the lines of "the cast of heroes could totally kick the ass of every transformer" someone got pissed and deleted the thread.[/quote]

Just for the record, I have no clue who deleted this if infact it was deleted. I tried searching for it and I could not find it. I am a big fan of Heroes, I've been watching since day one. I hope you guys were just trying to be funny, I know I have haters out there (just ran into the petition today). If I had deleted it, I would have recreated it and aplogized for it.

---Carry on...
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']That was because of Claire's healing powers, supposedly. In theory, Adam and Claire should be able to do the same.

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Thats mainly due to Adam being Claire's Grandfather. I'm really wondering how they are going to reveal Adam as "Arthur Petrelli". My guess is that Peter & Adam will have an accidental meeting with Angela.
 
[quote name='Bezerker']
Thats mainly due to Adam being Claire's Grandfather. I'm really wondering how they are going to reveal Adam as "Arthur Petrelli". My guess is that Peter & Adam will have an accidental meeting with Angela.
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That's what I was thinking. Also, it's Adam's blood that creates the virus, right? Since it's been mentioned that his blood heals and, in fact, Nathan was the first to receive his blood as a cure and the first to die of the virus in the future.


Man, oh man, I thought the show had jumped the shark due to the lackluster first episodes, but it's really shaping up to be an awesome sophomore effort.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Just for the record, I have no clue who deleted this if infact it was deleted. I tried searching for it and I could not find it. I am a big fan of Heroes, I've been watching since day one. I hope you guys were just trying to be funny, I know I have haters out there (just ran into the petition today). If I had deleted it, I would have recreated it and aplogized for it.

---Carry on...[/quote]

Whoowhee, glad you cleared that up. I know a lot of people were asking around if you were the one who deleted it :lol:
 
[quote name='ryanbph']the show is picking up some steam...it seems that they are finally starting to gel again[/quote]

Too little, too late.
 
I havent watched it since the second episode.. from this season. I was sad when Sylias did that thing to that girl.. sigh . Made me cry so I stopped watching.

Thanks to the writers strike.. it might be a really long time until I can see it on hd dvd -_-V
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']Too little, too late.[/QUOTE]

a show picking up steam a quarter into the season (if there wasnt a strike that is) is too little too late? give me a break.

[quote name='Ice2Dragon']I havent watched it since the second episode.. from this season. I was sad when Sylias did that thing to that girl.. sigh . Made me cry so I stopped watching.

Thanks to the writers strike.. it might be a really long time until I can see it on hd dvd -_-V[/QUOTE]


uhhh, what?
 
I wonder if [speculation]
the reason Sylar has no powers at the moment has something to do with the company experimenting on him with the virus, Missy was a company girl, right? It took Peter about 5 days to become drug free, wonder if they were working on something even more powerful with our favorite serial killer.
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And after throwing my remote at a chair, I just turned Heroes off. That endlessly pissed me off. I don't even care if they fix it somehow in the last 10 minutes. It's dead to me.

EDIT: And of course
they return it back to status quo in the last 5 minutes, like typical comic-book fashion...
I'm still pissed
 
[quote name='karsh']And after throwing my remote at a chair, I just turned Heroes off. That endlessly pissed me off. I don't even care if they fix it somehow in the last 10 minutes. It's dead to me.

EDIT: And of course
they return it back to status quo in the last 5 minutes, like typical comic-book fashion...
I'm still pissed[/QUOTE]

I dunno,
I wouldn't say it completely returned to status quo what with Suresh being completely villified at this point now and Bob having a slight amount of humanity brought to him. If you really thought Noah was going to die then you were setting yourself up for that anger and disappointment.
 
[quote name='Pancake Rabbit']I seem to be forgetting something can someone remind me why
suresh is with the company now?
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Cause he's a prick, plain and simple. The dude seriously doesn't know when he's being played. Last season it was Sylar, this season its the company. The guy's a fucking tool in every sense of the word
 
[quote name='Pancake Rabbit']I seem to be forgetting something can someone remind me why
suresh is with the company now?
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He was working with Noah to bring it down from the inside.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']
He was working with Noah to bring it down from the inside.
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Yeah I know that,
but why the sudden change of heart? Just because Noah killed the russian dude?
 
I'm (mostly) enjoying it now, thanks in part to revised expectations, but this season just doesn't have the cohesiveness of last season. What's worse is that there are "ONLY TWO EPISODES REMAINING!!" How they're going to find a satisfactory point to make sense of everything so far and make the time spent on...those two...worthwhile, is beyond me.

But if nothing else, Kristen Bell. My God. (Bites palm Lenny-and-Squiggy style.)
 
[quote name='Pancake Rabbit']Yeah I know that,
but why the sudden change of heart? Just because Noah killed the russian dude?
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Because the writing this season is horrendous, and the writers seem to think it's okay to make everyone act illogically and out of character for the sake of their awful plot. But at least now the writing and acting match, I guess.
 
Last nights episode did nothing for me, I think I'm watching it more out of habit than anything else.

If the strike goes on for a long while I'm not sure I'll bother with Heroes when it comes back.
 
Because the writing this season is horrendous, and the writers seem to think it's okay to make everyone act illogically and out of character for the sake of their awful plot.

Well, the writing this season has indeed been...not great, but I'm having trouble thinking of more than one character that's really acting "illogically and out of character", as opposed to being mostly consistent with what we expect from them, but placed in confounding, poorly set-up scenarios.

The Bennetts seem pretty consistent, the Petrellis and Nakamuras too, Sylar seems to be biding his time, Parkman is the same nice guy he's always been, Nikki's still the consummate (bi-polar and enigmatic) woman...yeah, I can really only think of one. It'll (probably) be over for the season in a couple weeks for better or worse, anyway, so...take comfort?
 
I enjoyed last nights episode a lot, it was specially more enjoyable since there was no Niki or the Hondurian siblings.

My suspicion of
Adam
being the killer was right. Now I wonder what
Hiro
is going to do about it since he can't
die
 
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