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Alright, I really enjoyed this episode and now I'll add my 2 bit predictions.

As for who I think is going to die, if its the 5 that they showed (Nathan, Matt, Hiro, Claire, and Elle), my money is on Nathan and Matt. I really don't see Claire or Hiro having a swan song any time soon. And I see Elle being a part of the story, if only as Bob's "body guard", for a little while longer.

Matt is almost a guarantee, IMHO, as his character has had less of a role as of late, and really hasn't been the same since the whole "daddy thing".

Same goes for Nathan, other than a few episodes, he hasn't really done much at all. Hell, he doesn't even know Peter is still alive, even though the preview for this last episode said he finds out Peter is alive (via ComCast).

Also, is there any chance that if the writers strike is resolved by Christmas, that Heroes, or any other shows for that matter, will start writing again and pick up from the half season finale? I am really hoping the strike gets resolved soon.
 
Personally I don't get the thought process of it being elle
she was signed up for like 12 episodes, and they are leaving the door open for her to return if she wants to. She allegedly chose hereo's over a lost job, because she wanted to do a broadway show during the spring.
 
TheUnsane1,

Really? I never quite got that impression. I think he just wants that power, and he's not 'strong' enough yet to take it, to make use of it. I also seem to recall him not wanting all the people of NYC to die last season, as he at least had some fucked-up remnants of 'right' and 'wrong' and therefore he felt like they didn't deserve it. He's very efficient and pragmatic about the lives he takes and when he takes them.

Witness how he gets all verklempt when relating to Maya the death of his own mother...at his own hands. As devious as he is, I don't think those were crocodile tears. (Even though everything else he's done around her has been very 'Snake tempting Eve'.) I think his inescapable torment is that he feels destined to pursue his quest to be as "special" as possible, even if that means killing those he loves in the process, intentionally or otherwise. Remember the 'guilt shrine' of his they find early in Season One? He's clearly not going to turn 'good' anytime soon, if ever, but there is some humanity there, probably fueling his crimes in a very dysfunctional sense.

Then again, this show has turned my speculation on its ear roughly every other episode (sometimes out of "What the fuck?!" sloppiness), so....
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']TheUnsane1,

Really? I never quite got that impression. I think he just wants that power, and he's not 'strong' enough yet to take it, to make use of it. I also seem to recall him not wanting all the people of NYC to die last season, as he at least had some fucked-up remnants of 'right' and 'wrong' and therefore he felt like they didn't deserve it. He's very efficient and pragmatic about the lives he takes and when he takes them.

Witness how he gets all verklempt when relating to Maya the death of his own mother...at his own hands. As devious as he is, I don't think those were crocodile tears. (Even though everything else he's done around her has been very 'Snake tempting Eve'.) I think his inescapable torment is that he feels destined to pursue his quest to be as "special" as possible, even if that means killing those he loves in the process, intentionally or otherwise. Remember the 'guilt shrine' of his they find early in Season One? He's clearly not going to turn 'good' anytime soon, if ever, but there is some humanity there, probably fueling his crimes in a very dysfunctional sense.

Then again, this show has turned my speculation on its ear roughly every other episode (sometimes out of "What the fuck?!" sloppiness), so....[/QUOTE]
Well what I was saying was more a "good" in his action then process.
Unless I am not remembering correctly Sylar wanted to nuke NYC as a sort of swan song to pass his pain and suffering on to others as he felt as tho no matter how special he could become he could never measure up to the expectations of his mother.
that said I could see him wanting to prevent a situation so he can do things in the way that would almost redeem him. Personally I find Sylar one of the most interesting characters on the show his surgical precision and planning are always welcome in a episode as far as I am concerned.
Sylar and Adam working some mental chess is also encouraged.
 
Great ending

I wonder who shot Nathan, and it's obvious Mrs. Petrelli gave the order. Maybe Mr. Petrelli is going to finally make an appearance? Maybe he's the killer?

Or it's an unknown person

Now I'm sad we have to wait for more new episodes
 
Pretty good finale.

Won't Nathan's gun shot wounds heal? Or do the healing powers of Claire's blood only have a brief effect?

As for who shot Nathan...I'm just going to toss out the guess of Mr. Bennet.

Thank God Nikki is dead!
 
Well that was terrible (IMO), that season started off badly and got worse.

I remember how much I was looking forward to the finale last season, this year I'm just glad it's over. I think I'm done with Heroes.
 
it was okay, but since there is no idea when in 08 it will be back its a lil annoying.


shouldn't peter's blood be a cure just like claire's since he is a sponge
 
I was in shock when Nathan was shot. Didn't see that coming from a mile away. WTF is Pandoras Box? Is that some reference or some HARDCORE FORESHADOWING like they did in Season 1? Anyway...
NO PLEASE NO NOT NIKKI :(
Yo shes definetly alive...maybe?
Anyway, I actually like Maya now. Maybe I'm crazy?
And I love where Hiro put Adam. Thats BRUTAL.
For the sake of the world, there NEEDS to be TONS of Elle in '08.
 
[quote name='Azumangaman']
I was in shock when Nathan was shot. Didn't see that coming from a mile away. WTF is Pandoras Box? Is that some reference or some HARDCORE FORESHADOWING like they did in Season 1? Anyway...
NO PLEASE NO NOT NIKKI :(
Yo shes definetly alive...maybe?
Anyway, I actually like Maya now. Maybe I'm crazy?
And I love where Hiro put Adam. Thats BRUTAL.
For the sake of the world, there NEEDS to be TONS of Elle in '08.
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http://ask.yahoo.com/20030508.html
 
Even though I guess I didn't post it here, I was right on my 'first alternate' pick.

I knew either Nathan or Matt was going to 'bite it' when they arrived to help Peter, and I really knew something was up when the camera lingers on the surveillance camera behind them. I was basically counting the seconds during his speech, waiting for the gunshots. Since we don't know that Nikki is dead, I thought that Parkman might 'get it', too, seeing as how we were supposed to see two "Heroes" fall.

And speaking of Nikki, I'd normally have a hard time believing they'd send her out like that, but this is Heroes, after all, and things often skew in the "What the fuck?!" direction.

Overall, this season was a mess, so it's only fitting that the "finale" (gotta love the vagueness of that label) felt very helter-skelter. But I'll still watch.

I'm also getting very fatigued by Bennett's one-minute-I'm-good-one-minute-I'm-bad act. I'm not intrigued at this point, I'm reaching for the aspirin. Oy vey!

Oh, and I'm pretty convinced that at some point in "Volume III", Adam's going to basically be quoting Magneto to Hiro, saying "You should've killed me when you had the chance!" Hell, given the show's Marvel shout-outs (Stan Lee cameo, e.g.) and penchant for nods to the Geek Pantheon, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't say that exact line. YOU FINISH THE JOB. Well...except in comics, I guess.
 
[quote name='Pancake Rabbit']Pretty good finale.

Won't Nathan's gun shot wounds heal? Or do the healing powers of Claire's blood only have a brief effect?

As for who shot Nathan...I'm just going to toss out the guess of Mr. Bennet.

Thank God Nikki is dead!
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mr bennett sounds like a pretty solid guess. who knows how long it is until we find out.

im glad niki is gone, man i never liked her.

nathan dying was kind of surprising but once he said he was going public i figured he was going to bite the dust.

adam in the coffin is pretty bad ass, hiro is ruthless. but i have a feeling adam will find his way out for the villians chapter.

i also have a feeling mrs petrelli will be involved heavily in the villians chapter, and maybe we will finally know what her power is, as shes proven time and time again that shes not really a good guy

also, i think we all figured it was a matter of time before sylar got his powers back. i think the next season sylar is going to be bad ass, he hates the company AND the good guys like peter and hiro that stopped him the first time. so i expect him to be going after everyone.

i also had a feeling that elle would kinda do a 180 after noah told her about her father doin shit to her. i wonder if her contract will carry into next season since this one was shorted.

i was happy for a moment when i thought maya was going to be killed off too, but shes still alive, and with mohinder. so shes probably gonna be property of the company now and theyll have a new weapon for season 3.

uhh yeah. despite the season being shorted because of the strike i actually liked this finale better than season 1 finale.

also, bob is a moron, his password was "midas" cmon!
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Even though I guess I didn't post it here, I was right on my 'first alternate' pick.

I'm also getting very fatigued by Bennett's one-minute-I'm-good-one-minute-I'm-bad act. I'm not intrigued at this point, I'm reaching for the aspirin. Oy vey!
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I don't know, this fluctuating behavior is sort of expected from someone who'll do anything to save his family. Sometimes this strong ethic will have him wandering around in a morally gray area. I wouldn't take the "deal" he made with the company at face value: maybe he's working yet another angle?
Anyhow, I suspect that he's the one that attempted to assassinate Nathan as a test of his new alliance with the company.

Also, I thought it was hilarious when Parkman and Nathan landed in Texas and a visibly embarrassed Parkman stated "Ok, well never talk about this again..."
 
Wow, this episode was actually good! I'm absolutely stunned!

Anyhow, something I've noticed quite a few times over this season that continues to drive me nuts - how in the hell to characters make it across the country in the span of what seems like a few minutes? For instance, in this episode, Mr. Bennett was being held prisoner in New York while Claire was packing over in California. Next thing you know, he shows up in California while Claire's still packing! What?!

[quote name='Azumangaman']
WTF is Pandoras Box? Is that some reference or some HARDCORE FORESHADOWING like they did in Season 1?
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Academia cries for you.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Academia cries for you.[/QUOTE]
:rofl:

Anyway, I just watched it and pretty cool. I do wonder if people are now exempt from staying dead thanks to the magic blood all over the place. And I too think that it looked like Noah walking away at the end.
 
Once we got to the end and
Only Nikki had died, I knew that Nathan was going to bite during his announcement. I thought it was kind of a dumb ending. Shooter opens fire during a press conference and nobody wrestles him to the ground... unless he as some type of ability that let him just walk away. It was kind of predictable since they been hyping all week that two characters die. Sorry to see, Maya made it through and the Mimic. I don't like either character, especially the Mimic, she's a horrible actress and I would rather see her gone than Nikki.

The whole thing felt awfully rushed and their were holes in the plot.
 
I don't like either character, especially the Mimic, she's a horrible actress and I would rather see her gone than Nikki.

The letters "Q", "F", and "T" were invented for this statement.

And maybe I'm slow on the uptake, but when Sylar
shot up and successfully summoned the generic "Spinach" can, was that supposed to be a twisted nod to Popeye? I kind of feel stupid for not chuckling at that as it aired. (To be fair, the rest of the episode kind of made my eyes glaze over a bit.)
 
Wow.

Wanted Maya and Nikki dead, so I am atleast happy that one of them is gone. The shooter has to be Noah, he seemed in such a rush to get out of the house.
 
[quote name='help1']Wow.

Wanted Maya and Nikki dead, so I am atleast happy that one of them is gone. The shooter has to be Noah, he seemed in such a rush to get out of the house.
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He had to be in a rush, wasn't the house in California and the press conference in Texas ?
 
eh i didnt like th elast episode. the series is getting stale with the only really interesting character being that elctric chick. her and her fathers little drama should play out interestingly when and if she ever gets over her daddy issues and takes over. hell shes the one with the power.

other than that theres just way too many things done in that last episode that are obvious ways for them to keep characters around for future use instead of creating a complete end to a particular story arc. less about the company and more about villans in the series and i dont mean syler hes over exposed. youd think with any number of people realizing they had powers why wouldnt you use them for evil.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']
He had to be in a rush, wasn't the house in California and the press conference in Texas ?
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He could have got in a helicopter


And from the back the shooter did look like Noah
 
[quote name='benjamouth']
He had to be in a rush, wasn't the house in California and the press conference in Texas ?
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Which is why I think Noah is the shooter.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']
He had to be in a rush, wasn't the house in California and the press conference in Texas ?
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That didn't stop him from getting from New York to California in, like, five minutes earlier in the episode!
 
[quote name='TC']Crap!
I'm going to miss Ali Larter in tight clothing
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eh how much you want to bet
her husband was alive and saved her or maybe her mother in law has powers and saved her or her powers kicked in or changed and she was able to save herself.
 
Yeah, you almost have to assume someone didn't die if you're just shown events that strongly imply they died offscreen, especially in this sort of show. I'll be surprised if she's not back in some capacity. But if she must go, then I'll trade Ali for Kristen, eight days a week.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']
Yeah, you almost have to assume someone didn't die if you're just shown events that strongly imply they died offscreen, especially in this sort of show. I'll be surprised if she's not back in some capacity. But if she must go, then I'll trade Ali for Kristen, eight days a week.
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hell yeah on that one man that chick is crazy freakin hott and built like a brick shitter. and i dunno i kinda got a soft spot for the crazy chicks too theyre scary but thats part of the fun. i wonder if her power will ever evole or any of their powers for that fact.that was always a fun part of the xmen series seeing mutants take their powers to new levels like iceman did.
 
What if the shooter was actually Claude, and they just showed some random person walking around. That could explain why Peter didn't see anyone or stop time to get a look at the shooter.

Also, I think that some how, Nathan and Niki will be back. Niki is easier to explain, as we didn't see her die. And like someone said, Claire's blood is "magic" bring people back to life potion.

As for Adam, its only a matter of time before someone, hello Sylar, finds him. Not sure how Sylar would end up in Japan, unless he'd try to go after Hiro first, then chases him through the cemetary where Adam is. Then Sylar's ultra hearing kicks in and he hears Adam. Then the team up and kick ass, or Sylar kill Adam and becomes invincible.

As for Pandora's Box, my guess is she was refering to Peter. As I foresee the death of Nathan, assuming he stays dead, as the turning point for Peter. I think he will slowly start working on his powers and command control of multiple powers at a time. I think first up may be his mental ability, since I think Matt and him will work together for a little while.

Ok enough for now, hopefully strike ends soon and we can get episodes in February.
 
Not sure how Sylar would end up in Japan, unless he'd try to go after Hiro first, then chases him through the cemetary where Adam is. Then Sylar's ultra hearing kicks in and he hears Adam.

That's it. The answer is there. And I'm sure Sylar is in it.*

I think Nathan will likely stay dead/unhealed this time, because Peter's going to need an impetus, a vendetta, to truly realize his potential...for better or worse. It may eventually affect Claire's disposition, too, although she doesn't really seem to be capable of much except for being the miracle blood donor. And looking good in a cheerleader outfit. Also, the show will be back down to one "flying man."

P.S. I'm wondering if the whole "Caitlin" storyline will just be dropped altogether, what with the strike changing things and her last seen in a now-nonexistent timeline.

*--I know it's a 'comic book' show, but assuming Adam can't die through anything short of decapitation or a bullet in the head, would he be perpetually suffocating? (Shudders) Damn, how sadistic is Hiro, anyway??
 
I had the same thought that it might be Claude that shot Nathan. But, how do we really know Nathan is dead? He has been exposed to Adam's blood, which might bring him back. Also, we were told that two Heroes would fall. Technically, Maya did die in the episode.
 
[quote name='pacifickarma']
I had the same thought that it might be Claude that shot Nathan. But, how do we really know Nathan is dead? He has been exposed to Adam's blood, which might bring him back. Also, we were told that two Heroes would fall. Technically, Maya did die in the episode.
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Yeah, we got our 2 with Nathan ans Maya.
 
What was with the Salamander logo appearing on Peter's palm after he destroyed the virus?.

Also, i guess my theory about Adam being Mr. Petrelli has been debunked with Angela now talking about Adam & Mr Petrelli as two seperate people (everything seemed to be pointing towards it, but i guess they didnt have the time to properly plan it with the writer's strike).
 
If this were Lost, I would spend forever ruminating on what the extremely brief appearance of that double-helix or "salamander" meant. But since this is Heroes, I'm going to chalk it up to 'arbitrary reference to central logo and somewhat cool effects shot'. Sorry, kids, but I really don't think that moment will ever be touched on again. I firmly believe the symbol will be explained in time, but I think its placement in this series is kind of haphazard and just meant to cumulatively give you the impression that it's something very integral to the overall storyline, whether it's on a sword hilt or an upper back tattoo.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']
Not sure how Sylar would end up in Japan, unless he'd try to go after Hiro first, then chases him through the cemetary where Adam is. Then Sylar's ultra hearing kicks in and he hears Adam.

That's it. The answer is there. And I'm sure Sylar is in it.*

I think Nathan will likely stay dead/unhealed this time, because Peter's going to need an impetus, a vendetta, to truly realize his potential...for better or worse. It may eventually affect Claire's disposition, too, although she doesn't really seem to be capable of much except for being the miracle blood donor. And looking good in a cheerleader outfit. Also, the show will be back down to one "flying man."

P.S. I'm wondering if the whole "Caitlin" storyline will just be dropped altogether, what with the strike changing things and her last seen in a now-nonexistent timeline.

*--I know it's a 'comic book' show, but assuming Adam can't die through anything short of decapitation or a bullet in the head, would he be perpetually suffocating? (Shudders) Damn, how sadistic is Hiro, anyway??
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yeah claire is pretty worthless as of right now but hopefully she will take the time to learn some new tricks like maybe hand to hand combat and weapons training.
maybe with her dad back and alive she will get in contact with him and he can train her teaching her everything he knows. add his skills and knowledge with her healing ability and shed be pretty formidable. she just needs more i mean if all wolverince had was a healing factor would he be as cool? hell no.


all in all the series just needs more villans theres like one
or i guess 2
clearly cast villans everyone else is eaither good or in the gray area. and they need to limit that one guys ability to take peoples powers. hes becoming too much like superman.
 
I'm watching this week's episode on MOJO, and I got to say that Elle needs to work on her skills. She calls out "Sylar!" and then shoots him instead of just frying his ass to the next dimension.
Also, I like how she's gaining a stronger sense of right and wrong. This burgeoning change of character is evident when Mohinder informs her that she just saved their lives and she replies something along the lines "Really? Cool?'
I'd hate to admit it but she's starting to grow on me.
 
[quote name='TC']I'd like to see Jean-Claude Van Damme join the show.[/QUOTE]


You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.
 
Well, my theory about Adam being Mr. Petrelli just got the nail in the casket:

In the most recent graphic novel, it was revealed that Adam was once married to; and conceived a child with a woman with the last name of Sanders. So in some way he's related to Nikki.

What i dont get is how they say that both Adam & Mr. Petrelli are in the same picture, yet the only person Adam could be is either Mr. Petrelli (a young white guy) or Isaac Mendez' father (a fat hispanic guy). The choice would seem pretty simple.

But of course now, if Adam did turn out to be Mr. Petrelli, it would mean that there was some incest between Nathan & Nikki.

fucking writers strike
 
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