The Official NFL Draft Thread

[quote name='H-Town Info']Ummm.... Antonio Bryant is gone dude. He got cut for on the field issues.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and good riddance. Jackson is a good opposite to Lelie. The only thing I don't like about what the Niners did in the draft was trade away next year's first round pick. Even though the lineman they got is supposed to be good I just hate when they give away a later years first round pick.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Yeah and good riddance. Jackson is a good opposite to Lelie. The only thing I don't like about what the Niners did in the draft was trade away next year's first round pick. Even though the lineman they got is supposed to be good I just hate when they give away a later years first round pick.[/QUOTE]

well i mean to say off the field issues

and i think niners are a playoff team next year, so it doesn't seem to be bad at all. Hey they could trade indy's pick b/c colts gave up their 08 1st rounder next years to 49ers. Jackson is a good complement to Lelie and i really like jason hill as well a 3rd down WR. Alex Smith has some weapons now and extra protection with Joe Staley (he's going to very good) to protect Alex's blindside. Thus moving Jennings either to left guard or to RT.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Garrett Wolfe is a slasher, he's not a "hard-hitting back".[/QUOTE]

I heard on Sirius NFL Radio last night, he was 4 foot 11 inches and 90 lbs playing Varsity Football in high school. He scored 8 fucking TDs that season :drool: :drool: :drool:
 
[quote name='lordwow']So the 110 pick the Pats traded for Moss, was the one that they got from SF for the first round pick.

So in review:

Pats Gave: 28th pick in 1st round.
Pats Got: 49ers 1st round pick next year & Randy Moss.[/QUOTE]

if you look at the dolphins in review:

Dolphins trade WR and return man Welker to pats for a 2nd round pick
Dolphins pass on QB Brady Quinn and take WR/return man Ginn Jr at 9th overall
Dolphins use a 2nd round pick for 26 year old rookie QB beck


yeah....shoulda just kept welker and taken quinn. sure hindsight is 20/20 but come on, even if they get Trent Green, the guy is old and is by no means a long term solution.
 
The Lions have another draft that's alright on paper, but doesn't satisfy. Johnson is going to be good, but the Lions don't need a WR. Trade Johnson for some solid 2nd rd picks and fill the holes. Atlanta, Oakland, Cleveland... So many teams would love to have a solid WR for their quarterbacks, one of them must have been willling to give up some picks and a player for the best talent in the draft.
 
Damn it looks like NE should at least make the Super Bowl with all the moves that they made. I really wish Moss had been picked up by the Cowboys and TO had been cut. A motivated Moss in a Cowboys uniform would have been amazing and made ammends for Jones not taking him when he should have back in the 1998 draft.
 
Another off-season to endure listening to everyone suck Brady's golden dick and analysts cupping and groping Bellichick and the Pats front office. Nice for the fans though. I'd certainly love seeing that kind of movement from a team. Good going NE.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']well i mean to say off the field issues

and i think niners are a playoff team next year, so it doesn't seem to be bad at all. Hey they could trade indy's pick b/c colts gave up their 08 1st rounder next years to 49ers. Jackson is a good complement to Lelie and i really like jason hill as well a 3rd down WR. Alex Smith has some weapons now and extra protection with Joe Staley (he's going to very good) to protect Alex's blindside. Thus moving Jennings either to left guard or to RT.[/QUOTE]
I think Battle will still be the 3rd down receiver. If Jason Hill progresses he might move into the 4th WR spot. But no way will he start the season as number 3 on the depth chart at WR. I hope Staley works out because to me they still gave up a lot for him. Also if Alex Smith does not progress this year they need to go in a different direction. There really is no reason for Smith to have another sub par year. Like you says he has some weapons and with the emergence of Gore last year he has everything set for him. They have wasted to much time and money in him for him to be sub par again.
 
NOOOOOOOOOOO!

I was holding out hope that the Bucs or Jags would trade for Moss.

Anyway, I'm sorta surprised to see that Troy Smith hasn't been taken yet. Wasn't he projected for the 3rd or 4th round?
 
yeah Troy Smith is a bit of a surprise

Almost(FINALLY) another shot for the jets to pick. It looks like Ben Patrick is still around and it would be nice if we got him 3rd pick 6th round.
 
Good god I didnt think Troy Smith was going to drop this fucking far. Christ thats bullshit.

Anyway.....draft went great with all of my favorite teams.

Go Titans...Go Pats...Go Ravens.

My favorite 3 teams are having a great off season. Cant wait until next year.
 
Right now, the 49ers don't need more picks, we need quality over quanitity, the 2-14, 4-12 seasons we needed picks so we could just get players. We did the same with Lawson last year moving up.

I'm not high on drafting Hill, we don't need a WR even before the Jackson trade. Bryant,Battle,Gilmore was fine enough, replace Bryant with Lelie and you have the same core. We'll see what Jackson can do, a 4th rounder i'm fine with, if it was a 2nd or 3rd then i'd be irrate.

I don't get the Patriots trading for Moss, with that it makes the trade for Wes Welker pointless, the signing of Stallworth who might be suspended for the first four games, and the signing of Washington.
 
[quote name='Weedy649']if you look at the dolphins in review:

Dolphins trade WR and return man Welker to pats for a 2nd round pick
Dolphins pass on QB Brady Quinn and take WR/return man Ginn Jr at 9th overall
Dolphins use a 2nd round pick for 26 year old rookie QB beck


yeah....shoulda just kept welker and taken quinn. sure hindsight is 20/20 but come on, even if they get Trent Green, the guy is old and is by no means a long term solution.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. The more and more I review the Dolphins draft the more I like it. I'm not saying it was a great draft, but I will confidently say that it was far from the worst. I too got caught up in the Brady Quinn media hype, and forgot how good Ted Ginn really is. After watching a lot of film on both Beck and Quinn I can honestly say that Beck is a much more accurate passer. He lacks ideal size, but his accuracy and intangibles more than make up for it. The fact that he is 26 really doesn't bother me at all. Welker was good but I think the 2nd and 7th round picks they received for him was more than adequate. I really don't understand the Trent Green interest. I mean, the guy is 37 years old and almost died on the field last year.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Good god I didnt think Troy Smith was going to drop this fucking far. Christ thats bullshit.

Anyway.....draft went great with all of my favorite teams.

Go Titans...Go Pats...Go Ravens.

My favorite 3 teams are having a great off season. Cant wait until next year.[/quote]

You actually think that piece of shit has any NFL capability? my god man, were you born stupid? or did you work your way up to it? he is another jason white: heisman in the NCAA = nothing in the NFL
 
[quote name='crushtopher']You actually think that piece of shit has any NFL capability? my god man, were you born stupid? or did you work your way up to it? he is another jason white: heisman in the NCAA = nothing in the NFL[/quote]

Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders beg to differ. Such language from a trainee is unacceptable. Especially when you're blatantly retarded.

Oh and just in case you're going to say that Heisman winning quarterbacks don't do well. Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Vinny Testaverde, and Doug Flutie.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders beg to differ. Such language from a trainee is unacceptable. Especially when you're blatantly retarded.

Oh and just in case you're going to say that Heisman winning quarterbacks don't do well. Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Vinny Testaverde, and Doug Flutie.[/quote]

Blatantly retarded? you do realize my IQ would have to be no higher than 70

in regards to my Heisman in NCAA and nothing in the NFL, it was a simple reference to Jason White. but you obviously were too busy focusing on my "unacceptable" language. Im pretty sure my "language" is English, and if that is unacceptable to your standards, you have some serious issues pal
 
[quote name='crushtopher']You actually think that piece of shit has any NFL capability? my god man, were you born stupid? or did you work your way up to it? he is another jason white: heisman in the NCAA = nothing in the NFL[/quote]


MUAHAHHAAHAHA. Dude...seriously. This is fucking gamefaqs man. Swearing at people and throwing internet insults around doesnt get you respect or make you stand out on CAG.

Dude...this is CAG no one give a fuck about what you say man....and around here we fully understand that acting "tuff and super cool" only goes so far on the interweb.

You should close your account and try again at a later date when you get old enough to put together words longer than 2 or 3 syllabi.

MUAHAHAAHAHAAH...christ this kids today.....:roll:
 
[quote name='depascal22']Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders beg to differ. Such language from a trainee is unacceptable. Especially when you're blatantly retarded.

Oh and just in case you're going to say that Heisman winning quarterbacks don't do well. Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Vinny Testaverde, and Doug Flutie.[/QUOTE]
Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Jason White.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Troy Smith won't amount to anything. Debate over.[/quote]
I belive thats what they said about Tom Brady.....and this little known guy..damn what was that little guys name. I am pretty sure he didnt amount to anything.....hmmmm


Oh yeah.


Brett Farve.
 
So when will the 2008-2009 schedule be released? Seems pretty pointless to play this year since apparently the Patriots won already.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']So when will the 2008-2009 schedule be released? Seems pretty pointless to play this year since apparently the Patriots won already.[/QUOTE]

But come on...... doncha want to have some hope for the.... Vikings. :lol:

*types this while wearing his Maroney Pats jersey*
 
I think Troy Smith can be something but i'll say 2nd string back-up at best. He knows what throws to make, has nice accuracy, athleticism, pocket awareness and poise, and is winner. His height and some character issues (going too many of the banquet circuits and not prepping for the combine, pro day, and private workouts) cost him being at 3rd or 4th round pick. Oh yeah, it doesn't help that he didn't win the National Championship. You have to remember Steve McNair tutored the Madden 08 Cover Boy Vince Young for a while and look what VY has become.

Hey Vanilla, About QBs drafting in later rounds and undrafted ones. Someone named Johnny Unitas played for the Baltimore Colts and won a super bowl. Trent Green was like a 6th or 7th round pick, Mark Burnell was 5th round IIRC, Brad Johnson was like past the 7th round, and Kurt Warner was undrafted.

I'm not saying Troy Smith is going to be great or is going to be shit but dont ever discount any drafts picks in the later rounds.

Trust me I know my damn football. I should take over Mel Kiper's spot maybe :D
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']So when will the 2008-2009 schedule be released? Seems pretty pointless to play this year since apparently the Patriots won already.[/QUOTE]
Patriots 2007 schedule:

@ Jets
San Diego
Buffalo
@ Cincinnati
Cleveland
@ Dallas
@ Miami
Washington
@ Indy
bye
@ Buffalo
Philly
@ Baltimore
Pittsburgh
Jets
Miami
@ Giants
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']So when will the 2008-2009 schedule be released? Seems pretty pointless to play this year since apparently the Patriots won already.[/QUOTE]

That's the first thing I said when I saw the news on Yahoo. Thanks LA, way to stack the deck against the entire league...
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Patriots 2007 schedule:

@ Jets
San Diego
Buffalo
@ Cincinnati
Cleveland
@ Dallas
@ Miami
Washington
@ Indy
bye
@ Buffalo
Philly
@ Baltimore
Pittsburgh
Jets
Miami
@ Giants[/quote]Didn't you hear? The Pats already went 16-0 and breezed all the way through the playoffs outscoring their opponents 411 to -7 on the way to a Super Bowl win.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']I think Troy Smith can be something but i'll say 2nd string back-up at best. He knows what throws to make, has nice accuracy, athleticism, pocket awareness and poise, and is winner. His height and some character issues (going too many of the banquet circuits and not prepping for the combine, pro day, and private workouts) cost him being at 3rd or 4th round pick. Oh yeah, it doesn't help that he didn't win the National Championship. You have to remember Steve McNair tutored the Madden 08 Cover Boy Vince Young for a while and look what VY has become.

Hey Vanilla, About QBs drafting in later rounds and undrafted ones. Someone named Johnny Unitas played for the Baltimore Colts and won a super bowl. Trent Green was like a 6th or 7th round pick, Mark Burnell was 5th round IIRC, Brad Johnson was like past the 7th round, and Kurt Warner was undrafted.

I'm not saying Troy Smith is going to be great or is going to be shit but dont ever discount any drafts picks in the later rounds.

Trust me I know my damn football. I should take over Mel Kiper's spot maybe :D[/QUOTE]

Your asian though and the only thing anyone has ever heard you say was "Can I get invite to custom game" :) JK

I think the biggest reason Troy Smith Fell that far was he choked in the big game. A Team wants a player that will take them and win them a super bowl. Not to get to the playoffs and choke.
 
H-Town makes a great point of not discounting any lower draft pick, and id like to add to that because you cant count on any high draft pick as well.

From the first pick of the first round to the last pick of the last round, every single draft pick is always a question mark.

2nd round All Star team
late round impact players
Tom Brady 6th round 33rd pick in 2000
Asante Samuel 4th round 23rd pick in 2003
1st round bust
Pacman Jones 1st round 6th pick 2005(when u lose an impact player for a year, thats a bust)
David Carr who was 1st overall in his year
not to mention theres a reason the Detriot Lions have continued to pick WR in the first round, they kept failing(hopefully calvin changes that)

This of course is just a few examples of each, you could fill this whole thread about first round bust and late round stars...all you have to do is look at your teams draft history to see it yourself.http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/drafts

In 2005 the jets had no first round pick, and we got Mike Nugent, Justin Miller, Kerry Rhodes, and Cedric Houston in 4 of our 8 picks. 3 of them played in all 16 games 2006, Miller went to the pro bowl, Rhodes tied the team with interceptions, Nugent is pretty clutch and Houston(weakest of the bunch) still came through 8/16 games because we were really tight on RB. Compare this to 2001, when only 1 of our 6 picks was impact(1st round Santana Moss), and was later traded.
 
[quote name='Weedy649']H-Town makes a great point of not discounting any lower draft pick, and id like to add to that because you cant count on any high draft pick as well.

From the first pick of the first round to the last pick of the last round, every single draft pick is always a question mark.

2nd round All Star team
also just a few more:
Tom Brady 6th round 33rd pick in 2000
Asante Samuel 4th round 23rd pick in 2003
Pacman Jones 1st round 6th pick 2005
not to mention theres a reason the Detriot Lions have continued to pick WR in the first round, they kept failing(hopefully calvin changes that)

I mean all you have to do is look at your teams draft history http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/drafts

In 2005 the jets had no first round pick, and we got Mike Nugent, Justin Miller, Kerry Rhodes, and Cedric Houston in 4 of our 8 picks. 3 of them played in all 16 games 2006, Miller went to the pro bowl, Rhodes tied the team with interceptions, Nugent is pretty clutch and Houston(weakest of the bunch) still came through 8/16 games because we were really tight on RB.[/QUOTE]

I'll toss in Terrell Davis as a 6th 196th Pick Overall. Biggest Bust? Ryan Leaf at #2 in 1998 Draft. I always think "What if Indy took him instead"
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']Biggest Bust? Ryan Leaf at #2 in 1998 Draft. I always think "What if Indy took him instead"[/QUOTE]

well it doesn't help that he had shit for offense around him. I'm not making an excuse for him nor i'm not blaming it all on shit around him. The franchise was in dire straits after the 1994 super bowl. They went to .500 team, bad team, then atrocious team until they struck gold with tomlinson and brees in 2001.

Oh BTW Pimp, i didn't really the cowboys draft after the spencer pick (he's a great pick for the cowboys with a lightning quick first step off the edge). I thought they could had use a WR or CB instead of drafting another OT (1 is enough). Glenn is up there in age and could fall off and TO is TO. Crayton is great 3rd down WR in the slot and the other WRs don't really impress me (Austin, Green, but maybe Herd can do something). I still think they need CB (then move Henry to FS) or a FS badly and Glenn can't be the nickel guy (age and athleticism). Hamlin is solid player and better than what they have at FS but he's a SS playing FS. Finally, I really didn't get the QB pick in the 4th round either as well.
 
Jason Taylor was a 3rd round pick, Zach Thomas was a 5th. Scouts get too caught up in a guy's height, weight, and 40 times and often lose sight of the only thing that really matters, whether the guy can play football or not.
 
[quote name='gofishn']Jason Taylor was a 3rd round pick, Zach Thomas was a 5th. Scouts get too caught up in a guy's height, weight, and 40 times and often lose sight of the only thing that really matters, whether the guy can play football or not.[/QUOTE]

Yea like this year's draft Chris Henry went really really high b/c of his workout/combine numbers. He didn't do much in college at Arizona at RB and came out early too iirc. Henry imo was a 4th rounder and not a 2nd rounder due to his limited production in college.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Didn't you hear? The Pats already went 16-0 and breezed all the way through the playoffs outscoring their opponents 411 to -7 on the way to a Super Bowl win.[/QUOTE]
Well, if the most improved team in the NFL is a team that was 1:42 from going to the Super Bowl... Expectations are high. Can't deny that they've had an absolutely brilliant offseason, they filled their two biggest needs with two of the best players at their position in the league. The only player of significance they lost was Dillon, whose role and skills had diminished. Plus, the other contending teams in the AFC have not significantly improved, some have regressed.

Anything short of a Super Bowl is going to be considered a disappointment for this team.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I belive thats what they said about Tom Brady.....and this little known guy..damn what was that little guys name. I am pretty sure he didnt amount to anything.....hmmmm


Oh yeah.


Brett Farve.[/quote]As soon as Troy Smith wins 3 Super Bowls, I'll give you credit. And Brett Favre was the 33rd overall pick, so I doubt everyone thought he was gonna fail.

Troy Smith put up big numbers in college, against teams like Minnesota and Northwestern, and when he had to do it against a team with a bunch of NFL players on its defense, he was absolutely terrible. He can't make all the NFL throws, he isn't Michael Vick athletic, and he can't read complex NFL coverages.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']well it doesn't help that he had shit for offense around him. I'm not making an excuse for him nor i'm not blaming it all on shit around him. The franchise was in dire straits after the 1994 super bowl. They went to .500 team, bad team, then atrocious team until they struck gold with tomlinson and brees in 2001.

Oh BTW Pimp, i didn't really the cowboys draft after the spencer pick (he's a great pick for the cowboys with a lightning quick first step off the edge). I thought they could had use a WR or CB instead of drafting another OT (1 is enough). Glenn is up there in age and could fall off and TO is TO. Crayton is great 3rd down WR in the slot and the other WRs don't really impress me (Austin, Green, but maybe Herd can do something). I still think they need CB (then move Henry to FS) or a FS badly and Glenn can't be the nickel guy (age and athleticism). Hamlin is solid player and better than what they have at FS but he's a SS playing FS. Finally, I really didn't get the QB pick in the 4th round either as well.[/QUOTE]

Yea Dallas draft this year was a bit bad. With Jerry Jones as the Owner/GM it's no wonder :) I like getting the Browns 1st round pick next year though. That should be a 1-5 pick :)
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']As soon as Troy Smith wins 3 Super Bowls, I'll give you credit. And Brett Favre was the 33rd overall pick, so I doubt everyone thought he was gonna fail.

Troy Smith put up big numbers in college, against teams like Minnesota and Northwestern, and when he had to do it against a team with a bunch of NFL players on its defense, he was absolutely terrible. He can't make all the NFL throws, he isn't Michael Vick athletic, and he can't read complex NFL coverages.[/QUOTE]

i guess u didnt watch him play against Texas and Michigan. Both teams have NFL caliber defensive players. On Texas had Michael Griffin, Aaron Ross, Tim Crowder, and Frank Okam. And Michigan had Alan Branch, David Harris, Leon Hall, LaMarr Woodley, Prescott Burgess. All of those players are quality NFL players he had to deal with and Troy Smith did well. He made all the right throws needed and won both games with a combined 7 TDs to 1 Int. Check and mate
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']i guess u didnt watch him play against Texas and Michigan. Both teams have NFL caliber defensive players. On Texas had Michael Griffin, Aaron Ross, Tim Crowder, and Frank Okam. And Michigan had Alan Branch, David Harris, Leon Hall, LaMarr Woodley, Prescott Burgess. All of those players are quality NFL players he had to deal with and Troy Smith did well. He made all the right throws needed and won both games with a combined 7 TDs to 1 Int. Check and mate[/quote]No, all those players are draft picks, who haven't played a single NFL game, and could be busts.

Speaking of busts, Troy Smith won't be one, because you need to be picked highly for that to apply. Troy Smith wasn't picked highly because he won't be a good NFL quarterback.

Any arguement anyone uses is moot, mine as well. NO pick is a sure thing, and it wouldn't surprise me if picks 1 through 255, any of them flopped. But from what I have seen of Troy Smith, watching the combine, and listening to what actual NFL scouts and such have had to say about him (I think they know a bit more about evaluating his talent than anyone around here), he won't amount to much in the NFL.
 
Like Marques Colston and Tom Brady....Troy Smith may turn out to be good. You can analyze all you want but sometimes a guy is just better than people think. Not saying Smith will be, but you never know.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']No, all those players are draft picks, who haven't played a single NFL game, and could be busts.

Speaking of busts, Troy Smith won't be one, because you need to be picked highly for that to apply. Troy Smith wasn't picked highly because he won't be a good NFL quarterback.

Any arguement anyone uses is moot, mine as well. NO pick is a sure thing, and it wouldn't surprise me if picks 1 through 255, any of them flopped. But from what I have seen of Troy Smith, watching the combine, and listening to what actual NFL scouts and such have had to say about him (I think they know a bit more about evaluating his talent than anyone around here), he won't amount to much in the NFL.[/QUOTE]



Hey man ummmm if you bashing the players i mentioned as draft picks this year and next year. Then this statement

[quote name='VanillaGorilla']

Troy Smith put up big numbers in college, against teams like Minnesota and Northwestern, and when he had to do it against a team with a bunch of NFL players on its defense, he was absolutely terrible. [/QUOTE]

you shouldn't had made b/c theres no fucking NFL players in College football Sherlock. And I meant to say was NFL caliber defensive players buddy.
 
[quote name='H-Town Info']you shouldn't had made b/c theres no fucking NFL players in College football Sherlock. And I meant to say was NFL caliber defensive players buddy.[/QUOTE]
I think he's referring to workouts with specific teams, where the players would scrimmage against the team's defense.
 
[quote name='JJSP']I think he's referring to workouts with specific teams, where the players would scrimmage against the team's defense.[/QUOTE]

possibly but doubt it. i bet they ask what you suppose to do on certain throws and such on game tape or questions (example where can you throw in a cloud zone coverage, cover 2 soft, etc)
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Well, if the most improved team in the NFL is a team that was 1:42 from going to the Super Bowl... Expectations are high. Can't deny that they've had an absolutely brilliant offseason, they filled their two biggest needs with two of the best players at their position in the league. The only player of significance they lost was Dillon, whose role and skills had diminished. Plus, the other contending teams in the AFC have not significantly improved, some have regressed.

Anything short of a Super Bowl is going to be considered a disappointment for this team.[/QUOTE]

On paper, ok. However, as we always see, things on paper dont turn out that way in real life. The chargers were almost "sure" to be going into the super bowl and the colts were counted out since week 1 of the playoffs.

The jets were close to taking the division, and in fact the games we lost were ones that looked good for us on paper(Browns,Bills). You could argue the Pats lost some disappointing games like 0-21 in Miami(and almost losing to the Lions), but that just goes to prove my initial point.

So yes the pats should do good this year but my hopes of taking the division are still there. I think we got some key impact players in Thomas Jones and Darrelle Revis, in what was our two biggest needs.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']As soon as Troy Smith wins 3 Super Bowls, I'll give you credit. And Brett Favre was the 33rd overall pick, so I doubt everyone thought he was gonna fail.

Troy Smith put up big numbers in college, against teams like Minnesota and Northwestern, and when he had to do it against a team with a bunch of NFL players on its defense, he was absolutely terrible. He can't make all the NFL throws, he isn't Michael Vick athletic, and he can't read complex NFL coverages.[/quote]


What are you kidding me? When Brett Farve played for Atlanta everyone including his coach thought he was the biggest dumb fuck in the history of the NFL.

No one thought he could play football and the wanted him to fail. I dont know what Brett Farve your talking about.

But we will have to wait until a couple years into the season. Its just going to be a lot of hoop blah until we can actually see him. I think Troy Smith can be a top QB with pratice and training.

The thing you are talking about can all be taught. Just like with Brett. When Brett farve enter the NFL he couldnt make a throw to save his life.....

I think he can become a top QB with the proper training.
 
[quote name='JJSP']I think he's referring to workouts with specific teams, where the players would scrimmage against the team's defense.[/QUOTE]

and I'll like to add I don't think the current players on their respective teams aren't putting up the pads and helmets during the OTA's. Hey some of them might not be at the practice field and maybe are away for vacation or w/e. When i saw my texans workout on TV, they didn't have any helmets or pads on. They were wearing some athletic shorts/sweats/t-shirts doing some running drills, agility drills, etc. Last year, one of my good friends who works at a sportsradio station, went to see Vince Young's workout last year. He told me it was him and his Texas WRs he was throwing it to.

[quote name='Soodmeg']What are you kidding me? When Brett Farve played for Atlanta everyone including his coach thought he was the biggest dumb fuck in the history of the NFL.

No one thought he could play football and the wanted him to fail. I dont know what Brett Farve your talking about.

But we will have to wait until a couple years into the season. Its just going to be a lot of hoop blah until we can actually see him. I think Troy Smith can be a top QB with pratice and training.

The thing you are talking about can all be taught. Just like with Brett. When Brett farve enter the NFL he couldnt make a throw to save his life.....

I think he can become a top QB with the proper training.[/QUOTE]


agree'd as well. Brett Favre was shit before he went to GB and Holmgren fixed his ass. BTW I would like to add Matt Hasselback to the list of lower round QBs thank you.
 
Well Troy Smith is a good fit for the ravens regardless. You have a QB who has a few years left in him, as well as a prospect who has the ability to become your franchise QB.

If Troy Smith was taken in the first round by a team in desperate need of a QB to help them win games now, id say he will fail. That isnt the case however, and for that reason the Ravens are safe in the present with a good outlook in the future. Its not like they are locked in to Troy Smith for QB of the future, but hes certainly nice to have.
 
[quote name='Weedy649']Well Troy Smith is a good fit for the ravens regardless. You have a QB who has a few years left in him, as well as a prospect who has the ability to become your franchise QB.

If Troy Smith was taken in the first round by a team in desperate need of a QB to help them win games now, id say he will fail. That isnt the case however, and for that reason the Ravens are safe in the present with a good outlook in the future. Its not like they are locked in to Troy Smith for QB of the future, but hes certainly nice to have.[/QUOTE]

Having McNair Mentoring him also is great. Troy Smith is about the same player as McNair also. Great fit for the Ravens.
 
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