The Official PlayStation Vita Thread - 11/4: FW 3.00 Coming Just in Time for the PS4 Launch!
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[quote name='hlb96']Well the battery did play into the psp and piracy, so he has a point.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he does. Criminals are going to steal games regardless. Sure, you make it harder for them, but only if it doesn't inconvenience your customers. A battery isn't going to stop them, and the Xbox/Playstation aren't any better or worse for not having batteries in them (well, maybe the PS3 does? I'm not sure actually LOL).
I don't think he does. Criminals are going to steal games regardless. Sure, you make it harder for them, but only if it doesn't inconvenience your customers. A battery isn't going to stop them, and the Xbox/Playstation aren't any better or worse for not having batteries in them (well, maybe the PS3 does? I'm not sure actually LOL).
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If you're a Whiskey Media Premium Member, check out the first 30 minutes or so of their Vita stream video to see their walkthrough of the main menu.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/02/16/ps-vita-the-ultimate-faq/
They've posted a big Vita FAQ on the PS Blog:
Sid confirms here that GPS works without activating 3G on that model, but then confirms here that you still need 3G or be near a WiFi hotspot when you need to grab or send data as a part of whatever you're hoping to do with it.
There's an alarm app coming sometime soon called Wake Up Party.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/02/16/ps-vita-the-ultimate-faq/
They've posted a big Vita FAQ on the PS Blog:
Sid confirms here that GPS works without activating 3G on that model, but then confirms here that you still need 3G or be near a WiFi hotspot when you need to grab or send data as a part of whatever you're hoping to do with it.
There's an alarm app coming sometime soon called Wake Up Party.
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They showed in the GB video that you'll still see PS+ sales on PSP/Minis on the Vita store, but they're still looking into specific PS+ support for Vita.
[quote name='Wolfpup']No they won't. At best they'd be available during the life of the system. And lithium ages.
Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean? I'm thinking you MIGHT be referencing claims that because of the rear touchpad, they couldn't make an externally accessible battery?
That's what I was told by a Sony VP, though he also mentioned so called "piracy" as a reason, which I promptly pointed out is nonsensical.[/QUOTE]
I can still find resellers with batteries for my first cell phone (it had color) from 10 years ago.
And no, I don't mean external battery.
They recently asked if you can take the battery out and the response it needed to be in the system to power the rear touch pad. This was from the livechat on the PS blog or something. I'll try to dig it up.
Anyway, that's all they said about it but who knows.
Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean? I'm thinking you MIGHT be referencing claims that because of the rear touchpad, they couldn't make an externally accessible battery?
That's what I was told by a Sony VP, though he also mentioned so called "piracy" as a reason, which I promptly pointed out is nonsensical.[/QUOTE]
I can still find resellers with batteries for my first cell phone (it had color) from 10 years ago.
And no, I don't mean external battery.
They recently asked if you can take the battery out and the response it needed to be in the system to power the rear touch pad. This was from the livechat on the PS blog or something. I'll try to dig it up.
Anyway, that's all they said about it but who knows.
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[quote name='dallow']I can still find resellers with batteries for my first cell phone (it had color) from 10 years ago.[/quote]
Fine. I can't. And I wouldn't use random third party batteries anyway as they aren't necessarily safe.
Thanks, but that doesn't make any sense. I'm GUESSING the person saying that was just making it up, or didn't understand. The common claim is "because of the touch pad we had to use a [more] sealed battery", which is sort of true. The person answering that presumably morphed that into "it needs the battery in to power the touch panel separately! Which really makes no sense.
The issue is just whether or not Vita will work with the battery pulled-something I've seen no one actually try so far.
Because both PSP and PS3 work with the battery pulled, I think there's a shot of this, even though it's [sort of] sealed, as Sony engineers their stuff better than Nintendo.
Fine. I can't. And I wouldn't use random third party batteries anyway as they aren't necessarily safe.
Thanks, but that doesn't make any sense. I'm GUESSING the person saying that was just making it up, or didn't understand. The common claim is "because of the touch pad we had to use a [more] sealed battery", which is sort of true. The person answering that presumably morphed that into "it needs the battery in to power the touch panel separately! Which really makes no sense.
The issue is just whether or not Vita will work with the battery pulled-something I've seen no one actually try so far.
Because both PSP and PS3 work with the battery pulled, I think there's a shot of this, even though it's [sort of] sealed, as Sony engineers their stuff better than Nintendo.
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[quote name='Wolfpup']Fine. I can't. And I wouldn't use random third party batteries anyway as they aren't necessarily safe.
Thanks, but that doesn't make any sense. I'm GUESSING the person saying that was just making it up, or didn't understand. The common claim is "because of the touch pad we had to use a [more] sealed battery", which is sort of true. The person answering that presumably morphed that into "it needs the battery in to power the touch panel separately! Which really makes no sense.
The issue is just whether or not Vita will work with the battery pulled-something I've seen no one actually try so far.
Because both PSP and PS3 work with the battery pulled, I think there's a shot of this, even though it's [sort of] sealed, as Sony engineers their stuff better than Nintendo.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I just don't understand how these batteries work, but I've always been under the impression that if a device with a "dead" rechargeable battery is plugged in, the battery will still function as a conduit to power the device. The battery itself just loses the ability to hold a charge, not the ability to power when plugged in.
Thanks, but that doesn't make any sense. I'm GUESSING the person saying that was just making it up, or didn't understand. The common claim is "because of the touch pad we had to use a [more] sealed battery", which is sort of true. The person answering that presumably morphed that into "it needs the battery in to power the touch panel separately! Which really makes no sense.
The issue is just whether or not Vita will work with the battery pulled-something I've seen no one actually try so far.
Because both PSP and PS3 work with the battery pulled, I think there's a shot of this, even though it's [sort of] sealed, as Sony engineers their stuff better than Nintendo.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I just don't understand how these batteries work, but I've always been under the impression that if a device with a "dead" rechargeable battery is plugged in, the battery will still function as a conduit to power the device. The battery itself just loses the ability to hold a charge, not the ability to power when plugged in.
ChrisColbert. That is true as well.
He says though that DS and 3DS won't work like that, but I don't see why not.
I've never seen a device that wouldn't work, if plugged in, even with a dead battery.
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In my head I imagined that possibly the battery had two sets of contacts but this pictures makes it clear that it doesn't.
http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/NVSSuWbZVETZVqNH.medium
He says though that DS and 3DS won't work like that, but I don't see why not.
I've never seen a device that wouldn't work, if plugged in, even with a dead battery.
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In my head I imagined that possibly the battery had two sets of contacts but this pictures makes it clear that it doesn't.
http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/NVSSuWbZVETZVqNH.medium
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One thing I read on neogaf (meaning I dont know if it's 100% true) I dont like the sounds of is that the game files + save files are connected on the Vita unlike on the PS3. So for example if you're trying to free up space and want to delete a game, your save files have to go with it. Or if you have a bunch of saves for a single game it just treats them all as a single thing so you can't just delete a specific save file. Seems pretty dumb if that's true.
You can back it all up apparently to PC or PS3 or whatever but that's pretty cumbersome.
You can back it all up apparently to PC or PS3 or whatever but that's pretty cumbersome.
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[quote name='dallow']ChrisColbert. That is true as well.
He says though that DS and 3DS won't work like that, but I don't see why not.
I've never seen a device that wouldn't work, if plugged in, even with a dead battery.[/QUOTE]
The DSLites for sure will not work without the battery, plugged in or not. I've opened st least 3 of those. Don't recall XLs, and I've never owned a DSi. You probably can jerry-rig something up to make it work without the battery. I'm willing to bet it'd work with a dead battery.
The thing it's a non-issue, just like most of Wolfpup's other past incorrect understandings of technology.
The PSP -was- originally hacked because of the battery, so it's more likely Wolfpup not knowing what he's talking about, than the guy from Sony.
And as for the battery, it's very possible for the rectangular part of the battery to be the ground plane, which would make even more sense if the back touchpad is resistive.
He says though that DS and 3DS won't work like that, but I don't see why not.
I've never seen a device that wouldn't work, if plugged in, even with a dead battery.[/QUOTE]
The DSLites for sure will not work without the battery, plugged in or not. I've opened st least 3 of those. Don't recall XLs, and I've never owned a DSi. You probably can jerry-rig something up to make it work without the battery. I'm willing to bet it'd work with a dead battery.
The thing it's a non-issue, just like most of Wolfpup's other past incorrect understandings of technology.
The PSP -was- originally hacked because of the battery, so it's more likely Wolfpup not knowing what he's talking about, than the guy from Sony.
And as for the battery, it's very possible for the rectangular part of the battery to be the ground plane, which would make even more sense if the back touchpad is resistive.
I love this system but i have a few gripes. First thing is the fact that the rear touchpad seems way too sensitive. Trying to spin something around to examine it in uncharted is way too quick. Secondly it won't let me install stardust which i bought and finally last but not least is the fact that it doesn't work as a usb drive on your pc. I use linux so can't use the transfer app on pc. so if i want to copy something to my vita i have to copy data to a flash drive or something then copy it to my ps3 then copy it over to my vita using the transfer app which is a pain in the ass and also doesn't see the avi files on my ps3. i
[quote name='ShockandAww']One thing I read on neogaf (meaning I dont know if it's 100% true) I dont like the sounds of is that the game files + save files are connected on the Vita unlike on the PS3. So for example if you're trying to free up space and want to delete a game, your save files have to go with it. Or if you have a bunch of saves for a single game it just treats them all as a single thing so you can't just delete a specific save file. Seems pretty dumb if that's true.
You can back it all up apparently to PC or PS3 or whatever but that's pretty cumbersome.[/QUOTE]
Wow, that sounds really bad especially since they make you buy their proprietary storage format for so much more than regular memory costs. Horrible if true.
You can back it all up apparently to PC or PS3 or whatever but that's pretty cumbersome.[/QUOTE]
Wow, that sounds really bad especially since they make you buy their proprietary storage format for so much more than regular memory costs. Horrible if true.
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People seem to forget that the battery hack on the PSP was sony's fault. They actually put that in there to put it in debug mode. They didn't expect others to discover that and use it for their own purposes.
I don't know about Remote Play, it sucked pretty hard on the PSP. It was okay for videos, but I could barely play PS1 games on it, and nothing action oriented. The Vita does use wireless N tech, so it might be better, but I got a feeling Sony canned that feature because they couldn't get it to run that great. Hopefully they are working on making it better.
[quote name='ShockandAww']One thing I read on neogaf (meaning I dont know if it's 100% true) I dont like the sounds of is that the game files + save files are connected on the Vita unlike on the PS3. So for example if you're trying to free up space and want to delete a game, your save files have to go with it. Or if you have a bunch of saves for a single game it just treats them all as a single thing so you can't just delete a specific save file. Seems pretty dumb if that's true.
You can back it all up apparently to PC or PS3 or whatever but that's pretty cumbersome.[/QUOTE]
That would be terrible....but it is Sony though, so thats possible
You can back it all up apparently to PC or PS3 or whatever but that's pretty cumbersome.[/QUOTE]
That would be terrible....but it is Sony though, so thats possible
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Remote play seems better. I tried it and it was leagues better than the PSP version of it. Still hardly any compatibility though
[quote name='Anexanhume']People seem to forget that the battery hack on the PSP was sony's fault. They actually put that in there to put it in debug mode. They didn't expect others to discover that and use it for their own purposes.[/QUOTE]
No one blamed the battery hack on anyone in this thread.
No one blamed the battery hack on anyone in this thread.
well they seemed to go all out to prevent hacking on this thing. memory sticks that are so small they can't sell an adaptor for, having to use a special app for file transfers, non removable battery, no access to file system. if someone finds a way to hack this thing they will earn my respect.
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[quote name='elessar123']The thing it's a non-issue, just like most of Wolfpup's other past incorrect understandings of technology.[/quote]
How is it a "non issue", and how is my "understanding incorrect"? You've made random, rude accusations, and not bothered to actually defend yourself.
So? You think it wouldn't have been with a sealed battery?
Riiiiight.
How is it a "non issue", and how is my "understanding incorrect"? You've made random, rude accusations, and not bothered to actually defend yourself.
So? You think it wouldn't have been with a sealed battery?
Riiiiight.
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[quote name='FriskyTanuki']They showed in the GB video that you'll still see PS+ sales on PSP/Minis on the Vita store, but they're still looking into specific PS+ support for Vita.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I din't watch it since you need to be a premium member for it but I'm hoping for specific PS+ support for Vita.
Sorry I din't watch it since you need to be a premium member for it but I'm hoping for specific PS+ support for Vita.
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[quote name='lewchief']This is a direct quote from the playstation blog.
"Q: Can you take out the battery from the system?
A: No. PS Vita’s rear touchscreen requires the use of an internal embedded battery."[/QUOTE]
Which (again) tells us nothing. That means it's "officially" a sealed battery (in the U.S. at least). It doesn't tell us if the system can run without it.
[quote name='seanr1221']Glad to see Wolfpup hasn't changed.[/QUOTE]
What a fantastic argument! Troll.
"Q: Can you take out the battery from the system?
A: No. PS Vita’s rear touchscreen requires the use of an internal embedded battery."[/QUOTE]
Which (again) tells us nothing. That means it's "officially" a sealed battery (in the U.S. at least). It doesn't tell us if the system can run without it.
[quote name='seanr1221']Glad to see Wolfpup hasn't changed.[/QUOTE]
What a fantastic argument! Troll.
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Finished watching the Giant Bomb Vita stream and I don't see where they were dicks about anything. They had little issues with obtuse parts of the interfaces and weird quirks that should be fixed at some point, though they also had to deal with dicks constantly sending Jeff friend requests throughout the stream.
I really like how snappy the interface seems to be, especially with how quickly you can pop out of and back into games to deal with multitasking stuff. Near looks like it solves some of the issues that 3DS' Street/Spotpass features suffer from, though it doesn't do a good job of explaining what it offers.
I really like how snappy the interface seems to be, especially with how quickly you can pop out of and back into games to deal with multitasking stuff. Near looks like it solves some of the issues that 3DS' Street/Spotpass features suffer from, though it doesn't do a good job of explaining what it offers.
Since the battery is not removable, and a couple of years down the road, the battery dies, can you still use the vita pluged in? or even if we can remove the battery (if the japan instruction manuel is to believe) would the vita still work without a battery?
[quote name='Poor2More']Since the battery is not removable, and a couple of years down the road, the battery dies, can you still use the vita pluged in? or even if we can remove the battery (if the japan instruction manuel is to believe) would the vita still work without a battery?[/QUOTE]
Nobody knows yet take one apart and remove the battery. I bet sony would replace the battery for free or you could buy one on ebay. I bet you will stop using it long before you have to worry about that
Nobody knows yet take one apart and remove the battery. I bet sony would replace the battery for free or you could buy one on ebay. I bet you will stop using it long before you have to worry about that
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[quote name='Poor2More']Since the battery is not removable, and a couple of years down the road, the battery dies, can you still use the vita pluged in? or even if we can remove the battery (if the japan instruction manuel is to believe) would the vita still work without a battery?[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I've been wondering, as I don't want to buy thousands in games, and then discover they're unusable in 10 years or whatever.
Since no one seems to know, I'm planning on pulling mine apart when I get it, and testing it out. I'm planning on posting here and elsewhere when I find out, though I'm planning on just testing it without a game, before I sink more than $250 in it.
The DS/3DS actually DON'T work without their battery (even though it's fairly easily replaceable), so I SHOULD quit buying stuff for them, but have dozens of games LOL
This is exactly what I've been wondering, as I don't want to buy thousands in games, and then discover they're unusable in 10 years or whatever.
Since no one seems to know, I'm planning on pulling mine apart when I get it, and testing it out. I'm planning on posting here and elsewhere when I find out, though I'm planning on just testing it without a game, before I sink more than $250 in it.
The DS/3DS actually DON'T work without their battery (even though it's fairly easily replaceable), so I SHOULD quit buying stuff for them, but have dozens of games LOL
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Flash media shelf life is only supposed to be about 10 years anyway, so who cares if you don't have a battery in 10 years...
Okay, I can't find the thread again, but at one point I think I read where someone was recommending the "official" Sony screen protector for the Vita.
Can anyone else comment on the official screen protector out for $10?
I'd like to have a full body protector (front and back), but there doesn't seem to be many options available at this point, so I at least want a screen protector for the screen itself day 1....
Thanks
Can anyone else comment on the official screen protector out for $10?
I'd like to have a full body protector (front and back), but there doesn't seem to be many options available at this point, so I at least want a screen protector for the screen itself day 1....
Thanks
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Wait isn't the battery totally removable? http://www.shoptonews.net/2011/12/16/ps-vita-manual-reveals-replaceable-battery-more/
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The tear down on ifixit shows that the battery is easy to remove and replace.
[quote name='jkimrey']Okay, I can't find the thread again, but at one point I think I read where someone was recommending the "official" Sony screen protector for the Vita.
Can anyone else comment on the official screen protector out for $10?
I'd like to have a full body protector (front and back), but there doesn't seem to be many options available at this point, so I at least want a screen protector for the screen itself day 1....
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I'm looking for some kind of hard shell for the vital with built in screen protector. Has anyone seen something like that yet?
Can anyone else comment on the official screen protector out for $10?
I'd like to have a full body protector (front and back), but there doesn't seem to be many options available at this point, so I at least want a screen protector for the screen itself day 1....
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I'm looking for some kind of hard shell for the vital with built in screen protector. Has anyone seen something like that yet?
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[quote name='elessar123']Flash media shelf life is only supposed to be about 10 years anyway, so who cares if you don't have a battery in 10 years...[/QUOTE]
Possibly a great point if the games are stored on flash in stead of ROM...I hope it's the latter (which is cheaper anyway), but....
Built in obsolescence...hmmmmmm....
[quote name='jkimrey']Okay, I can't find the thread again, but at one point I think I read where someone was recommending the "official" Sony screen protector for the Vita.
Can anyone else comment on the official screen protector out for $10? [/quote]
That reminds me to ask...what's the screen made from? I LOVE glass screens like Apple uses. They don't scratch under REMOTELY normal use, like not even wiping them daily with a paper towel. They're effortless to clean, etc. AWESOME for anything you might accidentally touch, let alone a touch screen.
[quote name='Ragnorok64']Wait isn't the battery totally removable? [/quote]
I suspect this may be like the PS3 where in Japan they tell you how to remove it, in the U.S. they act like it's not removable, probably to prevent people from...I don't know, pulling it out and eating it LOL
I'm HOPING it still works with it pulled. Guess I'll find out in the coming week...
Heck, I had to test the Playstation 3 since no one had bothered with that either. Sony typically over engineers stuff (which I mean in the best possible sense) to the point where the PS3 not only works with the battery pulled, but even switches to USB mode when connected.
Possibly a great point if the games are stored on flash in stead of ROM...I hope it's the latter (which is cheaper anyway), but....
Built in obsolescence...hmmmmmm....
[quote name='jkimrey']Okay, I can't find the thread again, but at one point I think I read where someone was recommending the "official" Sony screen protector for the Vita.
Can anyone else comment on the official screen protector out for $10? [/quote]
That reminds me to ask...what's the screen made from? I LOVE glass screens like Apple uses. They don't scratch under REMOTELY normal use, like not even wiping them daily with a paper towel. They're effortless to clean, etc. AWESOME for anything you might accidentally touch, let alone a touch screen.
[quote name='Ragnorok64']Wait isn't the battery totally removable? [/quote]
I suspect this may be like the PS3 where in Japan they tell you how to remove it, in the U.S. they act like it's not removable, probably to prevent people from...I don't know, pulling it out and eating it LOL
I'm HOPING it still works with it pulled. Guess I'll find out in the coming week...
Heck, I had to test the Playstation 3 since no one had bothered with that either. Sony typically over engineers stuff (which I mean in the best possible sense) to the point where the PS3 not only works with the battery pulled, but even switches to USB mode when connected.
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I just can't understand how the battery is an issue. Sure, when it stops holding a charge 1000 years from now it'll be disappointing, but by that point everyone will have moved onto something else.
I can't think of one device I own or have owned where a rechargeable battery has gone bad and prevented me from using it.
I can't think of one device I own or have owned where a rechargeable battery has gone bad and prevented me from using it.
I have to say I think my favorite feature of the Vita is the improved load times on PSP games. I loaded up Burnout Legends which is normally plagued is slow loading and it was so much faster. The Peacer Walker 800mb optional install which says will take about 18 minutes too what seemed like less then 5 minutes.
So I tried transferring a psp mini game from my ps3 to the vita last night and it doesn't show up in the content manager. I was able to download it right to the vita from psn but why would it not show up on the ps3? Is it because it's already installed on the ps3?
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-has-no-plans-to-let-ps2-ps3-games-run-on-ps-vita-222040.phtml
Thanks Sony. This makes me want to wait until the Vita is hacked before I buy it.
Thanks Sony. This makes me want to wait until the Vita is hacked before I buy it.
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[quote name='dallow']You're begging for someone to ask what you mean by PS3 battery aren't you?[/QUOTE]
I am guessing, I think wolfpup is talking about the controller.
I am guessing, I think wolfpup is talking about the controller.
[quote name='nickerous']http://www.destructoid.com/sony-has-no-plans-to-let-ps2-ps3-games-run-on-ps-vita-222040.phtml
Thanks Sony. This makes me want to wait until the Vita is hacked before I buy it.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how this is unreasonable. The Vita is already emulating the PSP, which means ongoing development costs to create, patch, and improve that functionality. Wouldn't adding PS2 compatibility require a new emulator to be created?
This seems more like logical management of costs than arbitrary restrictions.
Also: I don't know much about Destructoid, but if that's representative of the quality of their articles, I think I'll keep my distance.
Thanks Sony. This makes me want to wait until the Vita is hacked before I buy it.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how this is unreasonable. The Vita is already emulating the PSP, which means ongoing development costs to create, patch, and improve that functionality. Wouldn't adding PS2 compatibility require a new emulator to be created?
This seems more like logical management of costs than arbitrary restrictions.
Also: I don't know much about Destructoid, but if that's representative of the quality of their articles, I think I'll keep my distance.
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It's more about enhancing the appeal of the system.
Out of the gate, it plays PS Vita games, PSP games only bought through PSN, and minis.
When it could be capable of:
1) PSOne Classics (it's in the works, but don't count your chickens, right?)
2) PS2 Classics (all 8 of them!)
3) PC Engine/NEO GEO titles (though perhaps the NG games work already?)
4) Remote Play w/ PS3 (kind of a stretch, but since the PSP currently does it in a limited capacity, how is it truly that much of a stretch?)
The PS Vita launch is like the PS3 launch - the system is probably going to be
ing amazing, feature and capability-wise, in 2 years. Right now, it's the PS Unfulfilled Potential.
I don't get people who want to defend the system and defend the company for not doing things. Sony doesn't love me, no matter how much I enjoy their products. I've got no loyalty. Why defend them? Thinking the Vita can play games it has the capacity to play is not unreasonable. We're not asking for Gears of War. We're not asking it to make us a cappuccino (dry, ristretti shot please). We're asking it to play Playstation games.
Roll that into the need for businesses to make a product appealing (so you'll buy it), and the arguments others (and myself) have made are based on that. Help move your existing user base to the PS Vita - provide the system with features that make them want to upgrade, to think of it as an upgrade, to think of it the same way an iPhone user frowns at their iPhone 4 because it's not an iPhone 4S.
Go back and re-read that last sentence, because it makes a ton ofing sense and is the crux of the argument. This "if you don't like the product, don't buy it" crap is a straw man and akin to a "america: love it or leave it" hillbilly gut reaction. Why must we either (a) want the system and not criticize reasonable things that are not features and/or are not planned features, or (b) hate the system? Why can't we like the system and recognize some pretty significant flaws in design, in marketing, and in the roll out plan.
FFS: After the PS3, the PSP (shortages, dead pixels, etc.), and the PSP Go, how can any of you defend Sony's plans for rolling out a new product with a straight face?
I like the system like I like a hot girl with a drinking problem: yeah, you're hot, but you're also aing drunk.
Out of the gate, it plays PS Vita games, PSP games only bought through PSN, and minis.
When it could be capable of:
1) PSOne Classics (it's in the works, but don't count your chickens, right?)
2) PS2 Classics (all 8 of them!)
3) PC Engine/NEO GEO titles (though perhaps the NG games work already?)
4) Remote Play w/ PS3 (kind of a stretch, but since the PSP currently does it in a limited capacity, how is it truly that much of a stretch?)
The PS Vita launch is like the PS3 launch - the system is probably going to be
ing amazing, feature and capability-wise, in 2 years. Right now, it's the PS Unfulfilled Potential.I don't get people who want to defend the system and defend the company for not doing things. Sony doesn't love me, no matter how much I enjoy their products. I've got no loyalty. Why defend them? Thinking the Vita can play games it has the capacity to play is not unreasonable. We're not asking for Gears of War. We're not asking it to make us a cappuccino (dry, ristretti shot please). We're asking it to play Playstation games.
Roll that into the need for businesses to make a product appealing (so you'll buy it), and the arguments others (and myself) have made are based on that. Help move your existing user base to the PS Vita - provide the system with features that make them want to upgrade, to think of it as an upgrade, to think of it the same way an iPhone user frowns at their iPhone 4 because it's not an iPhone 4S.
Go back and re-read that last sentence, because it makes a ton of
ing sense and is the crux of the argument. This "if you don't like the product, don't buy it" crap is a straw man and akin to a "america: love it or leave it" hillbilly gut reaction. Why must we either (a) want the system and not criticize reasonable things that are not features and/or are not planned features, or (b) hate the system? Why can't we like the system and recognize some pretty significant flaws in design, in marketing, and in the roll out plan.FFS: After the PS3, the PSP (shortages, dead pixels, etc.), and the PSP Go, how can any of you defend Sony's plans for rolling out a new product with a straight face?
I like the system like I like a hot girl with a drinking problem: yeah, you're hot, but you're also a
ing drunk.[quote name='mykevermin']It's more about enhancing the appeal of the system.
Out of the gate, it plays PS Vita games, PSP games only bought through PSN, and minis.
When it could be capable of:
1) PSOne Classics (it's in the works, but don't count your chickens, right?)
2) PS2 Classics (all 8 of them!)
3) PC Engine/NEO GEO titles (though perhaps the NG games work already?)
4) Remote Play w/ PS3 (kind of a stretch, but since the PSP currently does it in a limited capacity, how is it truly that much of a stretch?)
The PS Vita launch is like the PS3 launch - the system is probably going to being amazing, feature and capability-wise, in 2 years. Right now, it's the PS Unfulfilled Potential.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but creating a high-quality PS2 emulator is no quick and easy task. That would also put them on the hook for adding more PS2 games to the PSN Store. It would be great, but I can't fault them for thinking that it's not worth the cost.
Remote Play appears to be already on the Vita (there's an icon for it right on my home screen), but I haven't tried it.
Comparing the Vita's launch to the PS3 is pretty silly. The PS3 had a terrible launch, and took years just to reach competency. The Vita's launch is being regarded by many as one of the most successful for any system.
I have to agree on one point, though - there's a whole lot more potential for Sony to wring out of it as time goes on.
EDIT: I see that you added a chunk of crazy rage-text after I quoted the above post. That's cool.
Out of the gate, it plays PS Vita games, PSP games only bought through PSN, and minis.
When it could be capable of:
1) PSOne Classics (it's in the works, but don't count your chickens, right?)
2) PS2 Classics (all 8 of them!)
3) PC Engine/NEO GEO titles (though perhaps the NG games work already?)
4) Remote Play w/ PS3 (kind of a stretch, but since the PSP currently does it in a limited capacity, how is it truly that much of a stretch?)
The PS Vita launch is like the PS3 launch - the system is probably going to be
ing amazing, feature and capability-wise, in 2 years. Right now, it's the PS Unfulfilled Potential.[/QUOTE]Sure, but creating a high-quality PS2 emulator is no quick and easy task. That would also put them on the hook for adding more PS2 games to the PSN Store. It would be great, but I can't fault them for thinking that it's not worth the cost.
Remote Play appears to be already on the Vita (there's an icon for it right on my home screen), but I haven't tried it.
Comparing the Vita's launch to the PS3 is pretty silly. The PS3 had a terrible launch, and took years just to reach competency. The Vita's launch is being regarded by many as one of the most successful for any system.
I have to agree on one point, though - there's a whole lot more potential for Sony to wring out of it as time goes on.
EDIT: I see that you added a chunk of crazy rage-text after I quoted the above post. That's cool.
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[quote name='Trastan']The Vita's launch is being regarded by many as one of the most successful for any system.[/QUOTE]
many who? by what standard/metric?
also, i'm verbose. don't mistake me for 'raging' because i use more words than you. that's silly.
many who? by what standard/metric?
also, i'm verbose. don't mistake me for 'raging' because i use more words than you. that's silly.
[quote name='mykevermin']It's more about enhancing the appeal of the system.
Out of the gate, it plays PS Vita games, PSP games only bought through PSN, and minis.
When it could be capable of:
1) PSOne Classics (it's in the works, but don't count your chickens, right?)
2) PS2 Classics (all 8 of them!)
3) PC Engine/NEO GEO titles (though perhaps the NG games work already?)
4) Remote Play w/ PS3 (kind of a stretch, but since the PSP currently does it in a limited capacity, how is it truly that much of a stretch?)
The PS Vita launch is like the PS3 launch - the system is probably going to being amazing, feature and capability-wise, in 2 years. Right now, it's the PS Unfulfilled Potential.
I don't get people who want to defend the system and defend the company for not doing things. Sony doesn't love me, no matter how much I enjoy their products. I've got no loyalty. Why defend them? Thinking the Vita can play games it has the capacity to play is not unreasonable. We're not asking for Gears of War. We're not asking it to make us a cappuccino (dry, ristretti shot please). We're asking it to play Playstation games.
Roll that into the need for businesses to make a product appealing (so you'll buy it), and the arguments others (and myself) have made are based on that. Help move your existing user base to the PS Vita - provide the system with features that make them want to upgrade, to think of it as an upgrade, to think of it the same way an iPhone user frowns at their iPhone 4 because it's not an iPhone 4S.
Go back and re-read that last sentence, because it makes a ton ofing sense and is the crux of the argument. This "if you don't like the product, don't buy it" crap is a straw man and akin to a "america: love it or leave it" hillbilly gut reaction. Why must we either (a) want the system and not criticize reasonable things that are not features and/or are not planned features, or (b) hate the system? Why can't we like the system and recognize some pretty significant flaws in design, in marketing, and in the roll out plan.
FFS: After the PS3, the PSP (shortages, dead pixels, etc.), and the PSP Go, how can any of you defend Sony's plans for rolling out a new product with a straight face?
I like the system like I like a hot girl with a drinking problem: yeah, you're hot, but you're also aing drunk.[/QUOTE]
Speak the truth bother! This is exactly my thinking. I would already have bought a Vita if they would just allow me to play all/most PSN games that Vita is equipped to handle. Dont make me pay for anotehr version of the same exact game that I already have on PS3. Sony has to be able to make all their first party titles that can run on Vita available for both systems. Isnt one of the reasons people buy so many Apple products because they are all compatible with each other for the most part?
Out of the gate, it plays PS Vita games, PSP games only bought through PSN, and minis.
When it could be capable of:
1) PSOne Classics (it's in the works, but don't count your chickens, right?)
2) PS2 Classics (all 8 of them!)
3) PC Engine/NEO GEO titles (though perhaps the NG games work already?)
4) Remote Play w/ PS3 (kind of a stretch, but since the PSP currently does it in a limited capacity, how is it truly that much of a stretch?)
The PS Vita launch is like the PS3 launch - the system is probably going to be
ing amazing, feature and capability-wise, in 2 years. Right now, it's the PS Unfulfilled Potential.I don't get people who want to defend the system and defend the company for not doing things. Sony doesn't love me, no matter how much I enjoy their products. I've got no loyalty. Why defend them? Thinking the Vita can play games it has the capacity to play is not unreasonable. We're not asking for Gears of War. We're not asking it to make us a cappuccino (dry, ristretti shot please). We're asking it to play Playstation games.
Roll that into the need for businesses to make a product appealing (so you'll buy it), and the arguments others (and myself) have made are based on that. Help move your existing user base to the PS Vita - provide the system with features that make them want to upgrade, to think of it as an upgrade, to think of it the same way an iPhone user frowns at their iPhone 4 because it's not an iPhone 4S.
Go back and re-read that last sentence, because it makes a ton of
ing sense and is the crux of the argument. This "if you don't like the product, don't buy it" crap is a straw man and akin to a "america: love it or leave it" hillbilly gut reaction. Why must we either (a) want the system and not criticize reasonable things that are not features and/or are not planned features, or (b) hate the system? Why can't we like the system and recognize some pretty significant flaws in design, in marketing, and in the roll out plan.FFS: After the PS3, the PSP (shortages, dead pixels, etc.), and the PSP Go, how can any of you defend Sony's plans for rolling out a new product with a straight face?
I like the system like I like a hot girl with a drinking problem: yeah, you're hot, but you're also a
ing drunk.[/QUOTE]Speak the truth bother! This is exactly my thinking. I would already have bought a Vita if they would just allow me to play all/most PSN games that Vita is equipped to handle. Dont make me pay for anotehr version of the same exact game that I already have on PS3. Sony has to be able to make all their first party titles that can run on Vita available for both systems. Isnt one of the reasons people buy so many Apple products because they are all compatible with each other for the most part?
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