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http://www.sacbee.com/2010/07/01/2864148/schwarzenegger-orders-minimum.html

The Schwarzenegger administration today ordered State Controller John Chiang to reduce state worker pay for July to the federal minimum allowed by law -- $7.25 an hour for most state workers.

The instructions from the Department of Personnel Administration exclude roughly 37,000 state workers in six bargaining units that recently came to tentative labor agreements with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Some employees, such as doctors and lawyers, would get no pay because federal exempts them from any minimum wage requirement. Managers, supervisors and others who don't get paid for working more than 40 hours per week would receive $455 per week until a budget deal got done.

Schwarzenegger has invoked a 2003 state Supreme Court decision as grounds for the move. That ruling, White v. Davis, held that without a budget that appropriates money for state payroll, employee wages can be withheld to the federal minimum. That condition exists today, which is the start of the 2010-11 fiscal year and the state is without a budget. The back pay would be paid once a budget is enacted.

The administration issued similar instructions to Chiang during a budget impasse in 2008. The controller refused to comply over concerns that doing so would violate federal law. He also asserted that the state's decades-old computerized payroll system couldn't handle the complexities of changing the pay for 240,000 state workers affected by the governor's instruction.

Calls to the Controller's office seeking comment were not immediately returned.
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Yes, this is horrible, this idea.

is a giant understatement
 
Considering how well most state workers are paid in the first place, that's a pretty huge paycut. I wonder if Schwarzeneggar is taking a paycheck this year? Better yet, if you wanna punish someone for California's budget woes, quit paying the legislature as well. They're obviously not doing their job anyway if the budget is this fucked. How much longer till we see California declare bankruptcy?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Considering how well most state workers are paid in the first place, that's a pretty huge paycut. I wonder if Schwarzeneggar is taking a paycheck this year? Better yet, if you wanna punish someone for California's budget woes, quit paying the legislature as well. They're obviously not doing their job anyway if the budget is this fucked. How much longer till we see California declare bankruptcy?[/QUOTE]

Arnold has been paid $1 every year for his governator job. Of course, he's also rich as fuck. These state employees aren't, for the most part.
 
Pretty sure they did that already a year or two ago during a prior budget problem (have a couple colleagues who work in the Cal State system), and there wasn't an uprising then. But yeah, it's complete crap.
 
theyres gonna be more uproar when they see whats cut from the budget to get these state workers paid again. state workers pay is the least of our problems right now. the number of state workers and their pensions need to be addressed before their pay does.

[quote name='RedvsBlue']Considering how well most state workers are paid in the first place, that's a pretty huge paycut. I wonder if Schwarzeneggar is taking a paycheck this year? Better yet, if you wanna punish someone for California's budget woes, quit paying the legislature as well. They're obviously not doing their job anyway if the budget is this fucked. How much longer till we see California declare bankruptcy?[/QUOTE]

california has the highest paid legislature in the country, by a lot. id love to see it slashed by 90% or more. problem is, in the end its a small fraction of our budget.

our budget has grown beyond inflation and population immensely over the last 10 years. ultimately theres going to have to be cuts in programs and rises in taxes. two things that both sides arent willing to concede.
 
It'd be nice if they didn't get back pay. Basically "if you don't do your job correctly and within budget, you don't get paid a full wage".

This of course directed specifically at the legislative branch and not at some paper shuffling clerk who doesn't have anything to do with the problem.
 
So when a company runs out of money or has no money, they have little choice but to reduce workforce or pay and expenditures. I've worked for more than one company that basically told me they had no money and if I wanted to keep my job I had to work for free until they got more funding. They always promised back pay too, but that rarely happened.

Why should State Government's be any different? I know the Fed is typically gets around this problem by printing more money because they can, but should States be able to do so too?

I loathe the entire idea that getting a government job is somehow more secure for this reason. It shouldn't be.
 
They are not going to be outrage because most people already think state workers are overpaid. They are more concern about their kid's school losing teachers or cities losing police force then someone else getting a paycheck cut
 
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[quote name='RAMSTORIA'] ultimately theres going to have to be cuts in programs and rises in taxes. two things that both sides arent willing to concede.[/QUOTE]

Well people need to realise that's what needs to happen. Either that or Gov Arnold needs to get some of those magic unicorns that shit out money.
 
This is the first sane thing Arnold has said in the past 5 years. I fully support this.

We should also make the legislature a part time job and they cannot recess until the budget is balanced. They will not get overtime for this extra work either.

California is in a world of shit and unless they axe state workers as well. I'd start with LAUSD. They have more administrators than teachers. How the fuck is that productive.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Why did I expect anything more from CAG? :wall:

I guess I am the only bleeding heart in the Politics section.[/QUOTE]

well, what do you want to see done?


raise taxes again? sales taxes are already among the highest in the nation, over 9% throughout the state. sin taxes? they keep going up. thanks to jerry brown and prop 13 property taxes are frozen, good luck getting that changed.

there have already been an assortment of cuts across the board. but a lot of them are minimal, dont put much of a dent over all. try making substantial cuts in education, prisons, welfare, pensions. then youll hear people shouting.

borrow more? weve already borrowed so much that ill be paying interest for the state for the rest of my life and probably my unborn childrens lives.

sure it sucks for the workers, but most people in the state are pretty jaded about the budget. this is nothing new out here. and frankly, state workers have a pretty sweet gig.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Why did I expect anything more from CAG? :wall:

I guess I am the only bleeding heart in the Politics section.[/QUOTE]

Ok, not being funny here, but what do you think should happen?

I'm no expert, to me it seems like if the state is in debt it needs to do something. Cutting services or raising taxes or both. If there's another way maybe you can enlighten me.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Why did I expect anything more from CAG? :wall:

I guess I am the only bleeding heart in the Politics section.[/QUOTE]

This is bad, but what are they supposed to do? They have to cut or raise 24 billion. They are going to have to nearly destroy social services, raise taxes by a huge amount, or a combination of the two. It's likely this won't happen (or be possible), and California will either default, (and cause a major financial crisis) or have to be bailed out, (which means nearly every other state will be looking for their own bailout).
 
The city of Oakland is going to cut 200 police officers. City of San Carlos cut their entire police force. Just about every public school is handing out pink slips.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Ok, not being funny here, but what do you think should happen?

I'm no expert, to me it seems like if the state is in debt it needs to do something. Cutting services or raising taxes or both. If there's another way maybe you can enlighten me.[/QUOTE]

I might be wrong but isn't part of the problem Arnie's refusal to raise taxes on rich people?
 
remind me again, why is taxing the rich more always the answer?
I'm not going along the line of the typical talking head here in saying that the wealthy create jobs (trickle down hasn't worked twice now in recent memory, I doubt the third time will be the charm), but I consistently fail to see the merit in taxing an income class of people who have busted their asses in getting advanced degrees and working in higer end jobs, simply because their efforts earn them more than a register jockey. I'm talking about your average BMW owner with the annual income of $100-250k. These people aren't "the rich" that we think they are. On the other hand, in the case of the super rich (i.e. entertainers/athletes), to hell with them, put 'em into an 80% tax bracket since they don't produce anything. But c'mon, doctors and CPAs and the like don't deserve the ire that is directed at them.

/rant
//still sick of this crap though
 
[quote name='nasum']remind me again, why is taxing the rich more always the answer?
[/quote]

Why would cutting important services for the elderly or children be a better answer?
 
[quote name='nasum']remind me again, why is taxing the rich more always the answer?
I'm not going along the line of the typical talking head here in saying that the wealthy create jobs (trickle down hasn't worked twice now in recent memory, I doubt the third time will be the charm), but I consistently fail to see the merit in taxing an income class of people who have busted their asses in getting advanced degrees and working in higer end jobs, simply because their efforts earn them more than a register jockey. I'm talking about your average BMW owner with the annual income of $100-250k. These people aren't "the rich" that we think they are. On the other hand, in the case of the super rich (i.e. entertainers/athletes), to hell with them, put 'em into an 80% tax bracket since they don't produce anything. But c'mon, doctors and CPAs and the like don't deserve the ire that is directed at them.

/rant
//still sick of this crap though[/QUOTE]

bmulligan, is that you?
 
[quote name='Msut77']Why would cutting important services for the elderly or children be a better answer?[/QUOTE]

Because I shouldn't be punished for being successful! Maybe they should try to stop sucking off the government tit and bootstrap their way up to my level :nottalking:
 
[quote name='Msut77']I might be wrong but isn't part of the problem Arnie's refusal to raise taxes on rich people?[/QUOTE]

in order to close the gap last year california had their highest increase in taxes ever. we still have a massive deficit this year.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Because I shouldn't be punished for being successful! Maybe they should try to stop sucking off the government tit and bootstrap their way up to my level :nottalking:[/QUOTE]
Sad fact: Can't tell if this is sarcasm.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Ok, not being funny here, but what do you think should happen?

I'm no expert, to me it seems like if the state is in debt it needs to do something. Cutting services or raising taxes or both. If there's another way maybe you can enlighten me.[/QUOTE]


they need to send out stimulus checks to all the people living there... and start spending to build infrastructure. It worked for the federal government.... oh wait
 
[quote name='Afflicted']they need to send out stimulus checks to all the people living there... and start spending to build infrastructure. It worked for the federal government.... oh wait[/QUOTE]

oh wow so funny
 
[quote name='Afflicted']they need to send out stimulus checks to all the people living there... and start spending to build infrastructure. It worked for the federal government.... oh wait[/QUOTE]
Comparing California to the feds.
Kind of a nutshot to both parties, really.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Why would cutting important services for the elderly or children be a better answer?[/QUOTE]

yep because the government doesn't provide services to middle aged bald guys either, haha nice sob story.

If what Ramstoria said is true and they raised taxes higher than any other time (and California already taxed high) then isn't it about time they cut back on some of the programs that the clearly can't afford? I mean really, sometimes I think people on this site manage money better than our goverments.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Ok, not being funny here, but what do you think should happen?

I'm no expert, to me it seems like if the state is in debt it needs to do something. Cutting services or raising taxes or both. If there's another way maybe you can enlighten me.[/QUOTE]

Remember that this isn't actually really DOING anything. They are still promised back pay. At some undisclosed point in the future. So they're basically just deferring the pay. That doesn't solve anything, except people having trouble paying the bills and feeding their families until their pay returns to normal. That certainly isn't going to help their economy one bit.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']its take a pay cut or lose your job.

just like every other fucking company is doing right now.[/QUOTE]
Next-up: Homeless CIA agents.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']its take a pay cut or lose your job.

just like every other fucking company is doing right now.[/QUOTE]

This isn't a paycut. Some of them are getting their pay cut 100% and are still expected to work. For someone who makes $20/hr it's a 63% pay cut if they are allowed to get minimum wage instead of not being paid at all. Sure they are going to get back pay, but when considering the state of the state's finances? How is morale going to be for those people? Expect productivity to plummet for state workers during this time.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']This isn't a paycut. Some of them are getting their pay cut 100% and are still expected to work. For someone who makes $20/hr it's a 63% pay cut if they are allowed to get minimum wage instead of not being paid at all. Sure they are going to get back pay, but when considering the state of the state's finances? How is morale going to be for those people? Expect productivity to plummet for state workers during this time.[/QUOTE]


hmmm... I just saw productivity and state workers used in the same sentence.
 
[quote name='nasum']It'd be nice if they didn't get back pay. Basically "if you don't do your job correctly and within budget, you don't get paid a full wage".

This of course directed specifically at the legislative branch and not at some paper shuffling clerk who doesn't have anything to do with the problem.[/QUOTE]
If you came to my home state of PA and saw how little actual work many of the state workers do in an average day I think you might change your tune. I really think that after most of them get into their cushy state jobs they put it on cruise control till the day they can retire.

I once went in to use one of their computers to see what jobs they had on the state employment site. It took no less than 45 minutes to get someone to tell me a bit more about one of the two whole jobs I found on the website.:roll: Fourty five fuckin' minutes and yet there's easily 10-12 people milling about and not one could stop and actually do their job to tell me more about these great jobs they had from temp services and such?

Paper pushing shouldn't pay $60k a year if you do next to nothing to EARN that salary.
 
[quote name='Afflicted']hmmm... I just saw productivity and state workers used in the same sentence.[/QUOTE]

Hey, if they did next to nothing to begin with, productivity will be zero with this.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Hey, if they did next to nothing to begin with, productivity will be zero with this.[/QUOTE]
Then the ones that don't show up or do even less than before should be FIRED and they should hire new people in their place. Same goes for teachers, if you ask me. A teachers salary should be based on how well they teach their students and those students score academically.

The students fail? The teacher gets a nominal salary(or no salary) until improvement is shown. Far too many cruise to retirement doing the bare minimum and still get paid well, then bitch when their contracts come due for renewal for a big raise. fuck that.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Then the ones that don't show up or do even less than before should be FIRED and they should hire new people in their place. Same goes for teachers, if you ask me. A teachers salary should be based on how well they teach their students and those students score academically.

The students fail? The teacher gets a nominal salary(or no salary) until improvement is shown. Far too many cruise to retirement doing the bare minimum and still get paid well, then bitch when their contracts come due for renewal for a big raise. fuck that.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but this is a different issue.
 
Well, considering how freakishly expensive it is to live in California, I would argue living off of a min wage paycheck would be like trying to live off plasma money in the South.

It could work, provided you don't like to eat and you just want to pay, exclusively, your rent and electricity. :D They may be getting backpay but that doesn't pay the bills.
 
So it looks like in the near future we will have mass evacuations from the gulf coast and California. Meanwhile, all us states in between better figure out how to get a Californian to pick your peaches and wash your car (Hint: many of them work for weed)
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']So it looks like in the near future we will have mass evacuations from the gulf coast and California. Meanwhile, all us states in between better figure out how to get a Californian to pick your peaches and wash your car (Hint: many of them work for weed)[/QUOTE]
I live in Montana, immigration from California has been in full swing since the 60s. The lake up by Polson? Nothing but summer homes and California license plates.
 
The thing is they are not even paying CA minimum wage. That's $8 an hour. They're only getting $7.25, the federal. Pretty sleazy. I'm not sure how they can legally do that but there you go.
 
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