The Porn of War

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The Porn of War

by GEORGE ZORNICK

[posted online on September 22, 2005]

On November 15, 2004, a report on CNN.com briefly described a clash in the Iraqi city of Baquba, including an insurgent attack with rocket-propelled grenades on members of the First Infantry Division, in which four American soldiers were wounded. CNN did not post any images of the battle, and the incident wasn't given much attention in other media.

But visitors to the amateur porn website nowthatsfuckedup.com were given a much closer view of the action: "today in baquba we got into the shit again and got some of it on vid.....this is me and my wingman fuckin some shit up when these fucks shot 3 rpg's at us so we took down the whole spot.....look for yourself...the fight lasted like 85 mins total and they are still counting up the bodies."

The poster, an anonymous soldier identified only as "Stress_Relief," uploaded two videos of the clash onto the website, drawing enthusiastic responses from patrons: "nice work, guys. Keep blasting those mujadeen [sic] bastards."

Originally created as a site for men to share images of their sexual partners, this site has taken the concept of user-created content to a grim new low: US troops stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan are invited to display graphic battlefield photos apparently taken with their personal digital cameras. And thousands of people are logging on to take a look.

The website has become a stomach-churning showcase for the pornography of war--close-up shots of Iraqi insurgents and civilians with heads blown off, or with intestines spilling from open wounds. Sometimes photographs of mangled body parts are displayed: Part of the game is for users to guess what appendage or organ is on display.

One soldier who goes by the alias "shottyintheboddy" said in an e-mail exchange with The Nation that he posts combat images on the site because it gives civilians a more accurate view of his life in Iraq. "I mostly take interest in the response of civis back home. Most know what CNN tells them and couldn't hack it here," the soldier wrote. He added that he recommended the site to his fellow soldiers, and knows others who post.

Chris Wilson of Lakeland, Florida, said in an interview that he created the site in 2004 as a simple Internet pornography venture: Users post amateur pictures--supposedly of their wives or girlfriends--and for a $10 registration fee, others can take a look. He claims there are about 150,000 registered users on the site, 45,000 of whom are military personnel. Of the 130,000 unique visitors who come to the site daily, Wilson estimates that 30 percent of the traffic, or 39,000 unique users, are US military personnel.

Early on in his Internet venture, Wilson said, he encountered a problem--potential military customers in Iraq and Afghanistan couldn't pay for membership, because credit card companies were blocking charges from "high-risk" countries like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Not wanting to shortchange US troops, Wilson established a rule that if users posted an authentic picture proving they were stationed overseas, they would be granted unlimited access to the site's pornography. The posting began, sometimes of benign images of troops leaning against their tanks, but graphic combat images also began to appear. As of September 20, there were 244 graphic battlefield images and videos available to members.

Why would a site devoted to sex also reduce the horrors of combat to a spectator sport? According to one expert, this confluence of pornography and violent combat images may have roots in the way the human brain processes high-arousal information.

"For some people, any arousal--it doesn't matter if it is a negative image or a pornographic image--if it takes away the boring humdrum of everyday existence, it's all the better," says David Zald, a Vanderbilt University psychologist who studies how the brain processes emotional stimuli.

Some of the images on nowthatsfuckup.com appear to be of Iraqi insurgents--one soldier posted eight graphic photos of a person he claimed was a suicide bomber who accidentally detonated before he got close to US troops. "Wow. Nice set of pics. Amazing how the face just wrapped off," is the response from another user.

Other images appear to be of Iraqi civilians. A series of photos showing two men slumped over in a pickup truck, with nothing visible above their shoulders except a red mass of brain matter and bone, is described as "an Iraqi driver and passenger that tried to run a checkpoint during the first part of OIF." The post goes on to say that "the bad thing about shooting them is that we have to clean it up." Another post, labeled "dead shopkeeper in Iraq," does not explain how the subject of the photo ended up with a large bullet hole in his back but offers the quip "I guess he had some unsatisfied customers."

Officials at the Defense Department and at US Central Command in Tampa Bay, Florida, shied away from any direct comments about military personnel posting combat images on Wilson's porn site, claiming a firewall blocks viewing of such material from their office computers.

But Centcom spokesman Matt McLaughlin said that, in general, "Centcom recognizes DoD regulations and the Geneva Convention prohibit photographing detainees or mutilating and/or degrading dead bodies." He added, "Centcom has no specific policy on taking pictures of the deceased as long as those pictures do not violate the aforementioned prohibitions."

The fact that US military officials refuse to denounce combat photos posted on a porn site is troubling, since the very act of posting pictures of dead civilians for entertainment value is degrading. In addition, one photograph of detainees sitting on the back of a flatbed truck with burlap sacks on their heads does appear to break even the narrow rules on photographing detainees set forth by the Defense Department.

Christopher Conway, a Defense Department spokesman, noted that Internet technology has been beneficial for combat troops; according to Conway, troops link up via the Internet to share information about "lessons learned" on the battlefield.

"They're very adept at using technology," Conway said. But he acknowledged that "technology is a double-edged sword."

As the Internet has given bloggers powerful tools of communication outside the realm of the mainstream media, it has also given soldiers the ability to relay their experiences in ways Americans will never get from traditional news sources.

But the posts on www.nowthatsfuckedup.com are not meant to subvert the sanitized mainstream media with the goal of waking the general public up to the horrors of war. Rather, all of the posters--and many of the site's patrons--appear to regard the combat photos with sadistic glee, and pathological wisecracks follow almost every post.

If there is any redeeming value to such a clearinghouse for images of destruction and death, it would rest in the site's ability to offer an unflinching look at the obscenity of war--and war's impact on the psyches of the soldiers called to fight it.

I can't verify if this is true, as the porn site is down at the moment.

EDIT: It's very legit.
 
I've always tacitly supported outlawing the use of death and murdered/killed bodies as pure entertainment (informative is obviously fine, but this clearly isn't), but I definately have an issue when the military won't even denounce it.
 
IDK, I think this just falls under free speech. They're our enemies anyway, so I'm not exactly up in arms about it.
 
man, they're our enemies? Regardless of their beliefs and what they fight for, they're still human. I don't give a shit who it is - the fact that people get really into seeing this stuff is fucking sick.

All this does is reinforce xenophobia.
 
I'm torn between both Sleepkyng and evanft's post, as I feel somwhere in the middle. On one hand I concur with evanft because they're dead jihadists who won't be trying to kill our soldiers, and maybe it increases troop morale to see more of them dead. But on the other hand, I know that if an Islamist site popped up with dead photos of Americans, I would be infuriated, and rightfully so. What a difficult concept.
 
Doom says it clear enough for me

"They pray four times a day, they pray five
Whose ways is strange when it's time to survive
Some will go of they own free will to die
Others take them with you when they blow sky high
What's the difference? All you get is lost children
While abortion shit up behind the desk it costs billions
To blast humans in half, into captured arms
Only one side is allowed to have bombs
It's like making a soldier drop his weapon
Shooting him, and telling him to get to steppin'
Obviously, they came to portion of his fortune
Sounds to me like that old robbery/extortion

(They stay)
Same game
(Strange ways)
Ya can't reform 'em"
 
[quote name='Tiphireth']I'm torn between both Sleepkyng and evanft's post, as I feel somwhere in the middle. On one hand I concur with evanft because they're dead jihadists who won't be trying to kill our soldiers, and maybe it increases troop morale to see more of them dead. But on the other hand, I know that if an Islamist site popped up with dead photos of Americans, I would be infuriated, and rightfully so. What a difficult concept.[/QUOTE]

Normally, I cringe when I see you post here; not this time. It isn't because you agree with me (as it seems you don't, anyway ;)). However, rarely do people (on either side, and including myself) recognize and admit that situations are extremely complex, and that there is no "right" answer.

I think pointing out dead Americans is a fascinating comparison (one that I regret to admit I hadn't thought about). How does stuff like this compare to the beheading videos of American soldiers, among others, from early this year/last year?

I don't disagree with the freedom of speech argument, as much as I'd like to. On the other hand, the press is no longer showing images of flag-covered coffins returning to the states from Iraq (although whether that is based on actual government restrictions, or self-imposed restrictions based on threats by the government is beyond me), so what is and is not available for people to view in various media formats is rather striking.
 
[quote name='evanft']IDK, I think this just falls under free speech. They're our enemies anyway, so I'm not exactly up in arms about it.[/QUOTE]

You're right, we gotta kill all those shop keeping bastards:

Other images appear to be of Iraqi civilians..... Another post, labeled "dead shopkeeper in Iraq," does not explain how the subject of the photo ended up with a large bullet hole in his back but offers the quip "I guess he had some unsatisfied customers."

Unless you could somehow have their permission (impossible unless they knew they were dying), I don't see how it is tolerable to display images of murdered civilians for entertainment. It's not a free speech issue, and if I had gone and shot an american construction worker, and then posted images of his corpse on the internet as entertainment, few would argue that I have a right to do that, especially without permission (this assumes that I'm somehow avoiding arrest).
 
d[quote name='Quackzilla']Technically it's a blatant violation of the Geneva convention AND international law.[/QUOTE]

oh those old thangs?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']You're right, we gotta kill all those shop keeping bastards:



Unless you could somehow have their permission (impossible unless they knew they were dying), I don't see how it is tolerable to display images of murdered civilians for entertainment. It's not a free speech issue, and if I had gone and shot an american construction worker, and then posted images of his corpse on the internet as entertainment, few would argue that I have a right to do that, especially without permission (this assumes that I'm somehow avoiding arrest).[/QUOTE]

I was speakng more about insurgents/terrorists. What you quoted is indeed fucked up.
 
I think it is important to recognize that there isn't a clear line between Iraqi citizens and "terrorists." The Bush Administration uses that word to categorize these people as less than human, or not originating from some culture or country.

By condoning the enjoyment of brutal images of war - you are basically supporting the idea of black and white wars.

"it's ok, they're not on our side"

Think of all the germans who were forced into the Nazi army, or the Japanese, and especially the Iraqis.
 
yah, i know, I'm not attacking you, just thinking about the tricky situation it puts a citizen (me) in when feeling the emotional impetus to say it is one thing or the other.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Technically it's a blatant violation of the Geneva convention AND international law.[/QUOTE]


We have an entire list of violations, what's one more?
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']yah, i know, I'm not attacking you, just thinking about the tricky situation it puts a citizen (me) in when feeling the emotional impetus to say it is one thing or the other.[/QUOTE]


It's not a tricky situation it's flat out wrong and just another example of how we are no better than Georgie's "ter-rists."
 
well the problem with war is that it sets up the parameters to feel like it is Us vs. Them, which in turn becomes right vs. wrong or humans vs. badguys.

Of course I'd like to see peace and prosperity in the middle east, of course I think we did a stupid thing, but i still think a lot of good COULD be done now that we're there - obviously that's not the case right now and maybe never.

You're welcome, Vietnam for... uh...
 
Good to see the DOD taking violations of the Geneva Convention so seriously. We have nothing to bitch about anymore when foreign countries torture, abuse, and kill our troops and POWs.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Normally, I cringe when I see you post here; not this time. It isn't because you agree with me (as it seems you don't, anyway ;)). However, rarely do people (on either side, and including myself) recognize and admit that situations are extremely complex, and that there is no "right" answer.

I think pointing out dead Americans is a fascinating comparison (one that I regret to admit I hadn't thought about). How does stuff like this compare to the beheading videos of American soldiers, among others, from early this year/last year?

I don't disagree with the freedom of speech argument, as much as I'd like to. On the other hand, the press is no longer showing images of flag-covered coffins returning to the states from Iraq (although whether that is based on actual government restrictions, or self-imposed restrictions based on threats by the government is beyond me), so what is and is not available for people to view in various media formats is rather striking.[/QUOTE]

Normally, I totally disagree with what you have to say, too, but I consider you one of the best "politic'n" CAGs because you always have the best arguments, the best support for those arguments, and pretty sharp wit. I've said I could only hope for a Right-Wing iteration of Mykevermin one day. I tend not to throw anything around here anymore because I rarely care about putting in the effort for a concise, accurate post, so I usually end up sounding like crap, thus the need for me to mostly stay away from the vs.

On topic, I still have no clear answer for whether it's right or wrong, and I've been pondering it since I last posted. Like I said, nothing disgusted and infurated me more than seeing the Nick Berg and Paul Johnson videos, especially the way they were presented, on national television and with a religious intention. I suppose the fact that the dead Iraqi images are restricted to a few websites softens the fact that they are so violent as opposed to broadcasted over the world; though it hardly excuses the nature.

While I must add that I haven't checked the site out, and don't plan to, it seems that most of the photos were of 'post-action' shots, ones of the dead insurgents after a battle, opposed to the Berg and Johnson slayings, which were nothing but televised executions.

All that I can conclude is that seeing things like that are hardly enriching. I know that from personal experience, seeing any kind of mutilated body, be it evil or otherwise, hardly makes me feel good afterwards. The article posted I believe said that it helped the troops share experiences and aided morale, but after seeing such medium, I have to ask, would it encourage more violent intentions; which is not as much of a problem when they're fighting insurgents, but rather could it incite violence against civilians? Again, though, this keeps going in a circle, because while there could be some men who're incited to violence, there are so many more soldiers who genuinely want to help.

There have been shock sites such as Rotten for a while now, so I suppose we shouldn't really be suprised that something like this has come up. The fact that it's associated with a pron site is incredibly disgusting, though.
 
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