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[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']What was the BS hype about the game?[/QUOTE]
The hype was that the game/story was good. Which is suuuuuuch bullshit.
 
[quote name='TomJones4']I was not basing JRPG evolution off FF12. I was merely stating the fact that DA:O basically stole its AI system straight from a JRPG. [/QUOTE]
Dunno about that, but it was sure as fuck inspired by some good ol' Wolfenstein monster closets.
 
[quote name='TomJones4']I was not basing JRPG evolution off FF12. I was merely stating the fact that DA:O basically stole its AI system straight from a JRPG.[/QUOTE]
If they "stole" it from anywhere it would be Baldur's Gate... which they made back in 98(I think). The game had a number of scripts the player could assign to a character and the player could even create their own scripts if they wanted.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I actually agree with him. While I still like JRPGs he's correct in saying that there's almost no evolution.

"Bioware sucks?" I don't think so. I'm already on my 3rd playthrough of Dragon Age and each time it's almost totally different due to the different outcomes and character classes. I love the Tales series but once you play one of those games it's the same every time. KOTOR is far more of a ROLE PLAYING game than any JRPG seeing as how you actually make your own character to ROLE PLAY.[/QUOTE]

I agree that he is correct in saying that there's almost no evolution. I disagree with him that JRPGs suffer from it. (Although to be fair to him, he might be saying "this is why they don't sell well", not "this is why they suck.") I certainly welcome innovation in a JRPG, but on the other hand there's nothing wrong with sticking to a tried-and-true formula, like the Tales series. I won't be one iota displeased if Tales of Graces is just Vesperia with a different story.

You also raise a good point about Playing a Role. Now that you mention it, you really do not play a role in most JRPGs. In a JRPG, you are really more like the party's manager rather than one of the characters, observing their decisions and travels.

I think the reason I've been unable to enjoy Western RPGs is that with their open-ended story structure, I just don't feel motivated to move forward. I did finish Mass Effect but the lack of a well-scripted story and character development really kept me from loving that game. When you have a linear story, every line of dialog can be chosen to produce the desired effect on the player. As you allow the player more freedom, you lose that ability. The funny thing is, I'm sure there is at least one Western RPG that, if I could finish it, I could name more than a few JRPGs with weaker stories.
 
[quote name='dr_illingsworth']The funny thing is, I'm sure there is at least one Western RPG that, if I could finish it, I could name more than a few JRPGs with weaker stories.[/QUOTE]
PLANESCAPE TORMENT! Don't rust the skull!
 
[quote name='dr_illingsworth']I agree that he is correct in saying that there's almost no evolution. I disagree with him that JRPGs suffer from it. (Although to be fair to him, he might be saying "this is why they don't sell well", not "this is why they suck.") I certainly welcome innovation in a JRPG, but on the other hand there's nothing wrong with sticking to a tried-and-true formula, like the Tales series. I won't be one iota displeased if Tales of Graces is just Vesperia with a different story.

You also raise a good point about Playing a Role. Now that you mention it, you really do not play a role in most JRPGs. In a JRPG, you are really more like the party's manager rather than one of the characters, observing their decisions and travels.

I think the reason I've been unable to enjoy Western RPGs is that with their open-ended story structure, I just don't feel motivated to move forward. I did finish Mass Effect but the lack of a well-scripted story and character development really kept me from loving that game. When you have a linear story, every line of dialog can be chosen to produce the desired effect on the player. As you allow the player more freedom, you lose that ability. The funny thing is, I'm sure there is at least one Western RPG that, if I could finish it, I could name more than a few JRPGs with weaker stories.[/QUOTE]
Oh don't get me wrong, I still love JRPGs and I'm definitely an advocate of "if it's not broken, don't fix it" (I am a Koei fan after all). I was just saying that the article did bring up a good point.
 
Ah, well I just graduated college and I'm taking a long overdue vacation. I'm not going anywhere but just hanging out and hopefully able to bite into my backlog. I'm about 3 hours into SMT: Digital Devil Saga and I'm really liking it. The story has me kind of going WTF? but the gameplay is pretty nice and the graphics are really unique.
 
[quote name='chibamm']Ah, well I just graduated college and I'm taking a long overdue vacation. I'm not going anywhere but just hanging out and hopefully able to bite into my backlog. I'm about 3 hours into SMT: Digital Devil Saga and I'm really liking it. The story has me kind of going WTF? but the gameplay is pretty nice and the graphics are really unique.[/QUOTE]

that reminds me, I never finished that (or even started DDS2). I def remember enjoying it, idk why I stopped. Mebbe finish that after P3 (I'm ~ mid September)
 
[quote name='chibamm']Ah, well I just graduated college and I'm taking a long overdue vacation. I'm not going anywhere but just hanging out and hopefully able to bite into my backlog. I'm about 3 hours into SMT: Digital Devil Saga and I'm really liking it. The story has me kind of going WTF? but the gameplay is pretty nice and the graphics are really unique.[/QUOTE]


I've been meaning to buy this game and it's sequel for the latter half of the year, but I can't bring myself to do it because I know I won't play it for a long time (I've had Nocturne for over six months now sealed). Because of that, I'm holding out for any price under $25.
 
Anyone else kinda interested in Divinity II: Ego Draconis? Looks pretty cool to me.

Also just started Dragon Warrior 3 on GBC again. Classic!
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']that reminds me, I never finished that (or even started DDS2). I def remember enjoying it, idk why I stopped. Mebbe finish that after P3 (I'm ~ mid September)[/QUOTE]
I should finish sometime as well... I'm in the very last dungeon of the game.
 
I finally got around to starting Tales of the Abyss. Jade is the most badass character ever. I love winter break, I can finally catch up on my RPG backlog.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Just started Culdcept Saga; about 3 hours into it (2 if you don't count reading the help for 1.5 hours). Liking it so far.[/QUOTE]

Tried the demo, and it was kinda boring to me. Is the actual game better? I love Magic the Gathering, so I figured a card game board game RPG would be fun, but I was very much "meh" about it.
 
[quote name='momouchi']I finally got around to starting Tales of the Abyss. Jade is the most badass character ever. I love winter break, I can finally catch up on my RPG backlog.[/QUOTE]

I just finished tales of the Abyss.

If I had to rank all the Tales games ive played so far it would go like this.

Vespeira>Symphonia>Abyss>Radiant Mythology>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Legindia

I really didn't like Legindia.
 
[quote name='OnyxPrimal']Also just started Dragon Warrior 3 on GBC again. Classic![/QUOTE]
I was never a big fan of the remixed DW3 because of the personality traits.

All it meant was that I'd create a Sexy group of 4. When I try not to care about it, I get really wimpy classes everywhere.
 
[quote name='TomJones4']I just finished tales of the Abyss.

If I had to rank all the Tales games ive played so far it would go like this.

Vespeira>Symphonia>Abyss>Radiant Mythology>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Legindia

I really didn't like Legindia.[/QUOTE]

Compared to Tales games, Legendia really failed, but compared to RPGs in general I would rank it as average. The story dragged on too much toward the end, but I didn't mind revisiting the dungeons because they had such great music and environments.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']Tried the demo, and it was kinda boring to me. Is the actual game better? I love Magic the Gathering, so I figured a card game board game RPG would be fun, but I was very much "meh" about it.[/QUOTE]

If you didn't like the demo you'd best stay away.
 
Finally finished Eternal Sonata over the weekend. The ending was kinda wonky, but I still believe the great battle system is worth playing the game.

I still haven't decided on what RPG in my backlog to tackle next. I'm thinking either DQ8 or BoF: Dragon Quarter.
 
[quote name='Krymner']I still haven't decided on what RPG in my backlog to tackle next. I'm thinking either DQ8 or BoF: Dragon Quarter.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't get into BoF. I hated the character designs. But DQ8 is a classic.

I think I found a save for Xenosaga that'll help me get around my freezing problem. Hopefully it'll work and I can resume my game later tonight.
 
[quote name='dr_illingsworth']Usually I only play one RPG at a time but DQ8 was an exception, a good back-burner RPG. I think it took me over 6 months.[/QUOTE]

Actually, yeah, I'm still chipping away at it as well. There's a damn lot of grinding (DQ, I know), but it's almost relaxing to do so, and the beautiful graphics and music are calming to me.
 
[quote name='Krymner']Finally finished Eternal Sonata over the weekend. The ending was kinda wonky, but I still believe the great battle system is worth playing the game.

I still haven't decided on what RPG in my backlog to tackle next. I'm thinking either DQ8 or BoF: Dragon Quarter.[/QUOTE]
I guess I'll be the one person who thinks DQ8 was terrible. Never liked the series, and DQ didn't change my mind.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I guess I'll be the one person who thinks DQ8 was terrible. Never liked the series, and DQ didn't change my mind.[/QUOTE]

Nah, you're not the "one" person, Rei. Another friend of mine absolutely hates it and told me I should burn my copy. But I don't listen to him much, cause he's one of those wierdos who loves those Dynasty Warriors games and...oh wait, you love those games too....hmm, I'm seeing a trend here....

Anyhow, Rei thanks. You have convinced me to play DQ8 now. I hope you're proud of yourself.
 
Speaking of Dynasty Warriors, why the fuck don't we get the awesome Fist of the North Star version?

fucking Tecmo.

Enjoy DQ8, the music is Fantastic.
 
DW can be fun. It is a good game to pick up and play through a characters story when you want to take a break from grinding through RPGs.
 
[quote name='chibamm']Any other games in your backlog Zmonkay?[/QUOTE]

rofl, I've got over 60 sealed games, plus a ton of open but never played ones (used). All were clearance games. I've gotten much better about buying games I'll never get around to playing though, and have finally started chipping away at that backlog.

So many games, I'm almost developing gaming ADD. Still chipping away at DQ8, FFX replay, FFIX replay, Dragon Age, Borderlands, Batman AA, DJ Hero, Street Fighter IV, New Super Mario Bros, A Boy and His Blob, and Persona 3, plus a handful of PSP and DS games... :roll: Beat Assassin's Creed 2 last night though, so I'm making progress! Oh, and I'm gearing up for a NG+ Demon's Souls run...
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I guess I'll be the one person who thinks DQ8 was terrible. Never liked the series, and DQ didn't change my mind.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you on that one. I really wanted to like 8 but I couldn't get more than an hour or so into it.

The graphics are great but it feels like a very mediocre JRPG under that graphical sheen.
 
Dragon Quest is very basic and old school.

It doesn't try to be anything else.

Probably wont appeal to most people, but it knows what it is and I love it for that reason.

Also hurry the fuck up square and announce DQ9 for US release.

I cant believe FF13 is out before DQ9.
 
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[quote name='TomJones4']Also hurry the fuck up square and announce DQ9 for US release.

I cant believe FF13 is out before DQ9.[/QUOTE]

No shit.

Level 5 always takes their slow-ass time in localizing their games. Just look how long its taken to get Whine Knight Chronicles here, and how long it took us to get the 2nd Prof. Layton game. I don't place the blame on Squeenix so much as I do Level 5 for DQ9's slow US release.
 
Rogue Galaxy, as well. And they'll probably take forever to localize Ni no Kuni once that comes out in Japan... maybe even longer than usual because of the spell book.
 
[quote name='Krymner']No shit.

Level 5 always takes their slow-ass time in localizing their games. Just look how long its taken to get Whine Knight Chronicles here, and how long it took us to get the 2nd Prof. Layton game. I don't place the blame on Squeenix so much as I do Level 5 for DQ9's slow US release.[/QUOTE]

I think 8-4 does all of Level 5's shit, and they do Most of the Tales stuff I believe.
So lets go jump on Mark McDonald's shit.

Im not even gonna play that End of Eternity demo that just came out on XBL.
I just wanna buy it with no expectations going in.

I will award Tri-Ace the award for developer who went from awesome(VP2) to shit(all this gen stuff) the fastest.
 
[quote name='TomJones4']DQ8 and prepare to not play anything else for a month.[/QUOTE]

Wow you have a lot more time to play games than I do :) I think I put in around 110 hours and I don't even remember how many months that took. Loved the game, though, as you can tell.
 
I am still playing Dragon Age but I have Demon Souls, The Witcher (I was able to get far before but had issues with PC and lost save), Eternal Sonata, Folklore I also have various rpgs for my psp and ds so I am in a pile of backlogs. I also have to take time since I work the normal work week.
 
[quote name='Krymner']No shit.

Level 5 always takes their slow-ass time in localizing their games. Just look how long its taken to get Whine Knight Chronicles here, and how long it took us to get the 2nd Prof. Layton game. I don't place the blame on Squeenix so much as I do Level 5 for DQ9's slow US release.[/QUOTE]
Nah, it's S-E's fault. They use S-E's QA/Loc teams.

The 2nd Layton game was because they have to create new puzzles. All those wordplay/witty pun puzzles aren't direct translations but actually brand new.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I'm with you on that one. I really wanted to like 8 but I couldn't get more than an hour or so into it.

The graphics are great but it feels like a very mediocre JRPG under that graphical sheen.[/QUOTE]

You REALLY need to give it more than an hour.
 
[quote name='keithp']You REALLY need to give it [DQ8] more than an hour.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. At least give it until your party is complete. Also, I think a lot of people (myself included) found that you had to grind more for the first dungeon than any others until maybe the last one.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']Are Xenosaga 2 & 3 just as linear as the first one? Not that it's a bad thing, I kinda like it.[/QUOTE]

Yes, pretty much.

I think I'll wait till after Christmas before starting DQ8. Don't want to jump into anything too thick in case someone gives me another RPG as a gift.
 
[quote name='Krymner']No shit.

Level 5 always takes their slow-ass time in localizing their games. Just look how long its taken to get Whine Knight Chronicles here, and how long it took us to get the 2nd Prof. Layton game. I don't place the blame on Squeenix so much as I do Level 5 for DQ9's slow US release.[/QUOTE]
That's not really fair. They added a bunch of new stuff to Rogue Galaxy, White Knight, and they made a new interface and added voices for DQVIII.
 
[quote name='Backlash']I think a lot of people (myself included) found that you had to grind more for the first dungeon than any others until maybe the last one.[/QUOTE]

You're right, now that I think about it I remember getting my ass kicked and wondering if the whole game was going to be like that, but soon after levelling a bit I really started enjoying it. I forgot how much of a bear it was in the beginning for me though.
 
[quote name='keithp']You're right, now that I think about it I remember getting my ass kicked and wondering if the whole game was going to be like that, but soon after levelling a bit I really started enjoying it. I forgot how much of a bear it was in the beginning for me though.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and that fucking halfway point battle (spoiler?)
against Dhoulmagus
. fucker raped me so bad until I spent a decent chunk of time farming metal slimes, and even then it was a bitch... bastard.
 
whoo! Im on chapter 5 on Devil Summoner now!!

I've gotten back into the hang of the game, I'll prolly do a bunch of side missions before moving on with the story
 
Just started up Grandia III. Really enjoying the battle system as of now, not having seen it since the first game a few years back, its pretty refreshing.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']Tried the demo, and it was kinda boring to me. Is the actual game better? I love Magic the Gathering, so I figured a card game board game RPG would be fun, but I was very much "meh" about it.[/QUOTE]

It's about the same as the demo, but a lot more in depth. It feels more like Monopoly to me than a card game, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I wasn't that impressed by the demo either, but the complexity of the full game makes it a bit more fun.
 
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