I wrote some of this earlier, but we're moving soon and I keep getting interrupted
[quote name='dothog']My gut feeling is that, while they were eager to put a "face" on the swedes, they were even more excited about sexing up Data. It's something the TV broadcast wanted, they love the goddamn emo chip, and to take it a step further on film had to be very tempting. That emphasized the perceived need for the Queen even more -- you kill two subplot birds with one character stone.[/quote]
I don't know. I don't consider myself a prude, but android love was not something I really wanted to see. I thought sexing up the queen worked because it came off as somewhat creepy. The idea of Data falling for it, though, never seemed plausible. It's like those femme fatale villains who think they can corrupt Superman or Batman with their sexy wiles. It's just not in their character to betray their friends or morals for hanky panky.
[It actually would be a great story to have Data
genuinely tempted by this, i.e. in a situation when crew members' lives would not be at stake. While we know he's "fully functional", it would be something else more like Odo's Great Link for him to do the mambo with other machines. The only problems with this is it's not something that's really suited to a movie, and Trek has always been so juvenile about sex that no good would come of it. So to speak.]
[quote name='dothog']I can see how people cut down First Contact (a friend sent me a link of the Phantom Menace guy going after First Contact), and I don't disagree with a lot of it. But to me it's the only TNG movie that feels true to broadcast. Everything else with the TNG cast feels like a shitty generic action movie with TNG plastering.[/quote]
Good points. I also think this is why Wrath of Khan is far and away the best of the TOS movies. Everyone has something meaningful to do. Everyone's component has some sort of emotional resonance, and it's pretty amazing they were able to do that for guest stars, too.
It also shows that the writers truly understand the characters and give them situations where they can either be themselves or be challenged by something and not have it seem fake. Lursa and B'Etor hacking Geordi's visor in Generations feels like such a cheat, makes the crew look stupid, and shows only the most facile understanding of the character as a plot device (see? even in the movies, Geordi gets shafted).
There were lots of little moments in First Contact that showed depth of understanding that was absent in the other movies. When Picard shoots the crewmember being Borgified, I was upset. At first I thought it was out of character, but then it really speaks to unresolved issues for Picard, which is pretty smart. I can still quibble with the scene a little -- it seems unfair for Picard to deny him any hope of a rescue like Picard got -- but respect what it was trying to do. In any case, a scene where you can have a genuine exploration about its meaning and ramifications is pretty powerful. Contrast that to Kirk wanting to spend his retirement riding horses, living in a cabin in the woods and having to be talked out of it -- I'm sorry, I can't buy that for a second. I suppose you can have a debate about that, but to me that one is all about laziness and lack of imagination.
I don't recall if I've seen the Mr. Plinkett review of First Contact. I consider Nemesis and Generations such cinematic abortions that sure, declare open season on them. There's so much wrong with just about everything that shining a light on all of it is instructive as to how much went wrong and why the resulting movie is so bad.
But you can do that on just about any movie. There are going to be continuity errors, mistakes, and bad ideas in even the best movies. I mean, take Star Trek II. That prefix code was awfully convenient as are the magic mind control bugs that spare regular cast members. And, depending on how charitable/jaded you are, Peter Preston can either be a good idea or a walking bullseye with a countdown to destruction in neon over his head. I also couldn't have been older than 12 when I saw the movie the first time, and even then I saw through Spock's "code"; Khan is supposed to be a genius.
And yet...most of those things are there to keep the story going, to keep things going at a decent pace, and to communicate things in a way that makes sense to an audience. Does anyone really think they have a special light up display just for prefix codes like they showed? No, that would be silly. But it's there so the audience can follow along. I think there's a big difference between giving an audience
cues and dumbing down everything so that it only makes sense if your brain is turned off.
I think First Contact actively tried to make a better movie, to highlight moments with the characters, and to make a movie that genuinely works on more than one level. You could say Nemesis tried to do that too, but it was so inept that it failed on just about every level. While execution matters,
intention matters too. It's one of the reasons I find the dune buggy and Data crap in Nemesis so galling -- when making a good movie is no longer the primary intention behind what's going into the movie, how can anyone be surprised when it turns out to be crap. Or Insurrection -- the primary goal seemed to be to make a movie, any movie, to keep the license alive.
isn't there a story about how the borg were to be used? I recall reading somewhere that the "Great War" concept used in DS9 was originally intended to play out in TNG with the borg. I'm probably off, I just need to google this for myself.
I don't recall hearing that one.
What I do know is that the Borg were supposed to be introduced earlier, what with all those mysterious outposts and colonies being scooped off their planets way back at the end of the first season. Supposedly the writers' strike interfered with that.
I don't read many ST novels, but Peter David's Vendetta goes a bit into this, actually showing it done to a planet. (Anything Peter David is usually worth a read. I understand he even had a throwaway bit in another book on why the Borg never showed up to DS9.)
The creator of the Borg -- Maurice Hurley -- was also the guy who got Beverley dumped. By the third season he was gone and she was back. Cast and creative changes can have huge impacts -- who knows what Hurley had planned and how that was changed.
And I just read (while looking up some stuff on Generations) that the saucer crashing was originally intended as a cliffhanger ending to All Good Things, had TNG gone for another season. There's that intention thing again -- the destruction of the Enterprise in Generations always seemed so out of place to me. It was more a Braga moment of "Let's blow some stuff up!" as opposed to having it make any sort of thematic sense. And it totally was.
Ideas change all the time, and lots of ideas that got leaked to fans were only
sort of accurate. When I first heard about the Cardassians, they were supposed to be the next Big Thing on TNG, and while they did make an impact, they were much more of a force in DS9 and they didn't really come into their own until the whole TNG-Maquis-DS9 linkage. (Which, in retrospect, I don't give enough credit to. Even though that didn't really deliver on its possibilities, it was really something to coordinate over three different shows and something which had a massive effect on DS9.)
At the time, though, the scuttlebutt was that the Cardassians were the new Klingons or whatever and, well, that was a bit more hype than reality, until DS9 came along. And part of this is due to limited viewpoints of the people involved. Unless you're talking to the higher-ups, nobody really knows how it can change from one episode to the next or what's ultimately going to happen. And it's here where intention doesn't matter
enough. The Ferengi were also supposed to be the new Klingons, and when they landed like a lead balloon, the series moved on to other things. You can come up with an idea and hope it takes wings and flies, but not all of them do.
And small things can have huge impacts. I have to be reminded that "Major Kira" was originally intended to be "Major Ro" because the very idea now seems so incongruous. Can you imagine how different DS9 would have been with that one change?