THERE'S A WAR ON CHRISTMAS! Eulogy Edition

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Ahh, the war on christmas. Good times, great inherent hypocrisy. Let's just go down the list of why Christmas is a farce as a religious holiday in the first place...

The date's been moved around so many times at this point no one really knows when it should be celebrated

Closely related to that is the fact that it was based on a Pagan ritual in the first place (tell one of those war on Christmas people that, they'll love it)

Santa/Satan connect? I dunno, but its fun to troll those War on Christmas people with it

Then we've got the fact that we spend a month, a month, buying tons of shit for other people and ourselves to celebrate a religious holiday.

But yeah, let's worry about people saying fucking Happy Holidays and having Holiday Parties instead of using Christmas... Merry Christmas? Christians, it wasn't even your holiday to begin with!

Sorry for that, just getting tired of all the Facebook wall posts saying we should keep the Christ in Christmas and remember the true meaning of the holiday, blah, blah, blah. The best was my girlfriend's parents, who try to make a big deal about this but what are they doing for Christmas? Going on vacation and leaving all of their children behind...
 
Once on a sunday morning recently I was flipping between channels and landed on some program with this really old preacher. Was about to turn it until I realized that what he was saying went so far against what most christians believe I had to listen. The guy basically said a lot of what you have. That Christmas has it's roots as a pagan holiday, and as it is never specified when Jesus was supposedly born, nor (he claimed) does it say in the bible that his birth should be celebrated as a holiday, that he and his wife do not celebrate it. It actually made me smile a little.
 
Ahh, the war on christmas. Good times, great inherent hypocrisy. Let's just go down the list of why Christmas is a farce as a religious holiday in the first place...The date's been moved around so many times at this point no one really knows when it should be celebrated
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It has been celebrated on the 25th for 1600 years, it isn't all that confusing. I'm sure it has never been celebrated on a different day during your lifetime.
Closely related to that is the fact that it was based on a Pagan ritual in the first place (tell one of those war on Christmas people that, they'll love it)Santa/Satan connect? I dunno, but its fun to troll those War on Christmas people with it
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I don't know how anyone would be upset about that. It was started as one of many festivals celebrating different gods at the time. Christians were just trying to commandeer the date.
Then we've got the fact that we spend a month, a month, buying tons of shit for other people and ourselves to celebrate a religious holiday.
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It has morphed into more than just Christians celebrating the birth of Christ. It is still known as Christmas though, not Buyabunchastuffmas.
But yeah, let's worry about people saying ing Happy Holidays and having Holiday Parties instead of using Christmas... Merry Christmas? Christians, it wasn't even your holiday to begin with!
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I'm pretty sure no one celebrates the sun god anymore, or the week long no law days of the Romans (without fear of reprecussion of anything done during that week), so I doubt we have to worry about anyone confusing Christmas with other Festivals.
Sorry for that, just getting tired of all the Facebook wall posts saying we should keep the Christ in Christmas and remember the true meaning of the holiday, blah, blah, blah. The best was my girlfriend's parents, who try to make a big deal about this but what are they doing for Christmas? Going on vacation and leaving all of their children behind...
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What's wrong with people wanting other's to remember what the holiday of Christmas is meant to celebrate. Just hide their post on facebook and move on with your day. I don't see why it bugs you so much.
 
Honestly, I don't really care either way. They can call it Christmas if they want, I still just mainly use it as a day to be with family, that's all it means to me.
 
well, Christ went away for three days, so that's kind of like a vacation right?
I'd be more worried about celebrating the zombie and his ressurection bunny.
 
Honestly, I don't really care either way. They can call it Christmas if they want, I still just mainly use it as a day to be with family, that's all it means to me.
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That's pretty much what it evolved into. Christians still use it to celebrate the birth of Christ, others use it as a day to spend with their family and people they love.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']It has been celebrated on the 25th for 1600 years, it isn't all that confusing. I'm sure it has never been celebrated on a different day during your lifetime.[/QUOTE]
Not during my lifetime perhaps, but if the holiday is so sacred why was it celebrated on a different day for the first 400 years?
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I don't know how anyone would be upset about that. [/QUOTE]
How would anyone get so upset about celebrating the Holidays and saying Happy Holidays over Merry Christmas?

[quote name='perdition(troy']It was started as one of many festivals celebrating different gods at the time. Christians were just trying to commandeer the date.It has morphed into more than just Christians celebrating the birth of Christ. It is still known as Christmas though, not Buyabunchastuffmas.[/QUOTE]
Yet still, if people are so bent out of shape over replacing Christmas with Holiday, why would they wilfully place more emphasis on the commercial nature of Christmas?

[quote name='perdition(troy']I'm pretty sure no one celebrates the sun god anymore, or the week long no law days of the Romans (without fear of reprecussion of anything done during that week), so I doubt we have to worry about anyone confusing Christmas with other Festivals.[/quote]
Celebrating other gods or not, it goes to the fact that people say Happy Holidays to recognize that more than Christmas come this time of the year and the fact that Christmas wasn't the first holiday to occupy this time period and it shouldn't have a monopoly.
[quote name='perdition(troy']What's wrong with people wanting other's to remember what the holiday of Christmas is meant to celebrate. Just hide their post on facebook and move on with your day. I don't see why it bugs you so much.[/QUOTE]
The posts don't bother me, the hypocrisy does. The majority of these people trying to parrot how "important" the holiday is aren't even staying true to it in the first place. Its false indignation and I'm tired of people getting all fired up about this shit that is just plain bandwagon bitching. Anytime it comes to religion people have this pick and choose mentality. They decide what parts they want to emphasize and don't follow the rest. They use religion to reinforce their own bigoted and narrow-minded views of the world. For example, opposition gay marriage because the bible says so. Bible says its ok to beat your wife too, you wanna follow that?
 
[quote name='docvinh']Honestly, I don't really care either way. They can call it Christmas if they want, I still just mainly use it as a day to be with family, that's all it means to me.[/QUOTE]

Same. It's just an excuse to travel and spend some time with family that I don't see all that much outside of holidays anymore.

Easy enough to ignore the religious aspects and let those who are religious espouse their views on the subject. There is some hypocrisy their though as some on my Facebook wall post/re-post stuff about how X-mas should be about Christ and not Santa, and in other posts mention having bought their wife or kids some great present.....
 
As a non-Christian, it doesn't bother me at all when people say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays, or any of that other stuff. What does bother me is when extremist Christians scream and yell about other cultures and religions, then turn around and try to make an invented holiday that (as others have mentioned) is actually a pagan celebration. The roots of their celebration are in the type of cultural stuff they rail against. The hypocrisy is the bad part for me too.

Say what you will about the bat shit crazy Jehovah's Witnesses, but at least they claim to have scientifically calculated the death of Jesus, and they hold a remembrance day for that, rather than join in on pagan holidays. I can respect that way more.
 
Troy, I don't think anyone is saying that the religious tradition has to be destroyed. That's a straw man (or a severe misunderstanding of the argument).

The "war" came about as stores began to put hannukah, thanksgiving, christmas, kwanzaa, and others I'm forgetting into one big lump. "The Holidays™." Why? Because creating separate ad campaigns is expensive, and focusing on only one is an implicit endorsement. A "Christmas Sale" on a menorah is pretty silly. But a "Holiday Sale" makes sense.

The movement from Christmas to Holidays was a business decision, not necessarily one rooted in hating Christianity. It's rooted in inclusivity, actually. For the hegemon, however, inclusivity is always perceived as a threat (because it necessarily involves sacrificing the hegemon's, well, hegemony).

So businesses changed, the blame was shouldered by god-hating liberals, and we all can't get along during the Holidays. Just the macro version of what happens in most of our households on the 25th of December.

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[quote name='Msut77']I was watching a Christmas movie from the thirties and saw Happy Holidays banners.[/QUOTE]

This war has been fought in secret for many years. It is only recently that we've come to understand the full scope of how pervasive it has become.
 
[quote name='Msut77']I was watching a Christmas movie from the thirties and saw Happy Holidays banners.[/QUOTE]
Bing Crosby didn't sing Happy Holiday either.;)
 
[quote name='Msut77']I was watching a Christmas movie from the thirties and saw Happy Holidays banners.[/QUOTE]

So what, Hollywood has always been full of Communists.
 
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