They should start a news show called "the 5 o'clock torture report"

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Five US soldiers in Iraq have been charged with abusing detainees, the US military has said.


The soldiers are accused of punching and kicking detainees who were awaiting transfer to prison on 7 September, the military said in a statement.

The names and ranks of the five soldiers have not been made public.

It comes on the same day US President George W Bush defended his government's treatment of detainees, and insisted: "We do not torture".

He was responding to allegations in the Washington Post that the CIA ran secret jails in eastern Europe to hold high-profile terror suspects following the 11 September attacks.

The charges against soldiers from the 75th Ranger Regiment were laid on Saturday, the US military said on Monday.

"All allegations of abuse are taken very seriously and investigated thoroughly, and appropriate action is taken based on the findings of the investigation," the statement said.

Nine soldiers have been convicted of offences relating to abuses at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison. Those abuses came to light in April 2004.

'At war'

Figures released by the US last week said its forces were holding 13,885 prisoners at several detention centres across Iraq, including more than 5,000 at Abu Ghraib, a vast complex in western Baghdad.

Human rights groups have complained that US prisoners are sometimes detained arbitrarily, and kept for months on end without facing charges or trial.

The White House has not confirmed Washington Post claims that the CIA set up so-called "black sites" in eastern Europe and Asia to hold suspected terrorists.

Mr Bush told reporters that enemies were plotting to hurt the US and his government would pursue them, but would do so "under the law".

"We are finding terrorists and bringing them to justice," he said.

"Our country is at war and our government has the obligation to protect the American people."

The Senate has passed legislation banning torture, but the Bush administration is seeking an exemption for the CIA spy agency.
"We do not torture and therefore we're working with Congress to make sure that as we go forward, we make it more possible to do our job," Mr Bush said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4416116.stm

We do not torture. Please pay no attention to todays, yesterdays, or last weeks reports. Please pay no attention to our secret jails. Please pay no attention to the photos. Please pay no attention to soldiers who state torture is widespread. Please pay no attention to their claims that higher ups encouraged it.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4416116.stm

We do not torture. Please pay no attention to todays, yesterdays, or last weeks reports. Please pay no attention to our secret jails. Please pay no attention to the photos. Please pay no attention to soldiers who state torture is widespread. Please pay no attention to their claims that higher ups encouraged it.[/QUOTE]

Pay no attention to Gonzales, either.
 
Punching and kicking is now torture?

MMMMKAY Mr. Know Nothing.

Could your bias be any greater?

The BBC is a step away from the Worker's World Party Newsletter, democraticunderground.com and KCNA (Korean Central News Agency) of the DPRK.

I'm curious, where is your outrage when terrorists behead people? Where is your outrage when terrorists blow up and murder dozens of Iraqis on a daily basis? You show none, absolutely none.

Like I said, could your bias be any greater. Something harmful to the military, good for you. Something harmful to the citizens of Iraq, good for you. Something that isn't in the best interest of the West, good for you.

You're mentally ill. Please seek help immediately from a qualified professional.
 
Sorry but "WE" don't torture. 5 guys did and what "WE" are doing is arresting those responsible for the torture. I can't see why you don't see that.

btw- I think "WE" should torture some of these bastards. Do I think the government at times steps over the line ...yeah probably. Do I think it's wrong? NOPE! Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. It's a fine line between interrogation and torture and I am sure it gets stepped over. However this does not make us EVIL nor wrong. We are just people trying to keep America safe.

I don't think for 1 second that America condones the torture of innocent people. Does that mean it doesn't ever happen? nah.... it does happen but I don't think it's systematic...I think it's individuals. Until you have a general that comes forth saying he was ordering the torture of people I won't ever believe that.
 
[quote name='defender']Sorry but "WE" don't torture. 5 guys did and what "WE" are doing is arresting those responsible for the torture. I can't see why you don't see that.[/QUOTE]So do "they" really behead hostages then? The US military has captured communiques from Al Qaeda leadership to it's young commanders, urging them to stop the televised beheadings and attacks on Shiite Muslims. Using your logic, you can't blame Al Qaeda for the actions of a few hotheaded Al Qaeda field operatives, especially since these actions are clearly not condoned by "their" management.

But in the letter, al-Zawahiri is clearly worried that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, with his televised beheadings of hostages and attacks on Shiites, could lose what he calls a "media battle" for the "hearts and minds" of Muslims.
"I say to you: that we are in a battle, and that more than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media," al-Zawahiri writes.

"The Muslim populace who love and support you will never find palatable ... the scenes of slaughtering the hostages," he warns al-Zarqawi, self-proclaimed leader of al Qaeda in Iraq.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/11/alqaeda.letter/

On the other hand, American leadership has shown a willful ignorance when it comes to certain hostages being flown to ally countries with a history of notoriously weak human civil rights for torture sessions.

I just don't understand why you think that the US should play by a different set of rules, aren't "they" supposed to be the bad guys?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Punching and kicking is now torture?
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It may be borderling, but beating is torture. I don't it was just playful kicking.


Could your bias be any greater?

The BBC is a step away from the Worker's World Party Newsletter, democraticunderground.com and KCNA (Korean Central News Agency) of the DPRK.

It's less biased than fox news, and it's not like other news sources didn't report the same events.

I'm curious, where is your outrage when terrorists behead people? Where is your outrage when terrorists blow up and murder dozens of Iraqis on a daily basis? You show none, absolutely none.

Like I said, could your bias be any greater. Something harmful to the military, good for you. Something harmful to the citizens of Iraq, good for you. Something that isn't in the best interest of the West, good for you.

If the u.s. wants to protect their interests, they should make sure these things don't happen. We're not a bunch of terrorists, we're supposed to be the greatest nation with the greatest military.

You're mentally ill. Please seek help immediately from a qualified professional.

You need a new joke.

Sorry but "WE" don't torture. 5 guys did and what "WE" are doing is arresting those responsible for the torture. I can't see why you don't see that.

btw- I think "WE" should torture some of these bastards. Do I think the government at times steps over the line ...yeah probably. Do I think it's wrong? NOPE! Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. It's a fine line between interrogation and torture and I am sure it gets stepped over. However this does not make us EVIL nor wrong. We are just people trying to keep America safe.

Torture does not get accurate information, it will do nothing other than harm our image, creating more enemies and making it less likely anyone would aid or work with us. And, besides, some allegations involve nothing more than releasing steam, not even interrogation.

But, the white house has opposed anything clearly denouncing terrorism. And, soldier after soldier has stated that it is with the knowledge of higher ups. Regardless, allegations of abuse are not taken seriously.

Sen. John McCain, decrying new allegations of prisoner abuse in Iraq by U.S. soldiers, on Sunday backed an amendment to force the American military to live up to its international obligations under the Geneva Convention and "not engage in torture" of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan.......


Fishback and the sergeants said prisoners taken during the siege of Fallouja were kicked and beaten, their bones broken and skin and eyes doused with chemical irritants. In addition, some prisoners were forced to form human pyramids, while others were made to hold heavy water jugs with their arms outstretched.......

In a lengthy chronology set down on his computer after he left Iraq in April 2004, Fishback said he tried unsuccessfully to get the Army to recognize it was skirting the Geneva Convention, which prohibits torture. He further complained that officers were not being properly trained how to handle prisoners.

But he said he was rebuffed by his chain of command, and after 17 months approached Human Rights Watch, which helped put him in touch with the Senate Armed Services Committee. In a Sept. 16 letter to McCain, Fishback outlined his concerns........

He said he and Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va.), chairman of the Armed Services Committee, along with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), another committee member, were proposing an amendment to a defense bill requiring the military to abide by the Geneva dictates.

McCain noted too that he wanted prohibitions against torture underscored in the Army Field Manual, which he said "is the document that the Army goes by and the military goes by when in the process of interrogation and treatment of prisoners."

Told that the White House was opposed to such an amendment and that the president might veto the bill if the amendment were included, McCain said he was unsure whether there were enough votes in the Senate to override it.

"I hope," he said of the Bush administration, "that they will understand why we're trying to do this and why it's so important to America's image in the world."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-abuse26sep26,0,1380053.story?coll=la-story-footer&track=morenews

The report quotes three US soldiers who described routine, severe beatings of prisoners, including a detainee's leg being broken with a baseball bat.
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The Human Rights Watch (HRW) report is based on interviews with a captain and two sergeants who served in a battalion of the 82nd Airborne Division.

They said abuse, at a military base called Mercury near Falluja, was not only overlooked, but was sometimes ordered....

One of the soldiers told HRW the abuse was ordered by intelligence officers in an attempt to gain information.

Another said it was seen as "sport".

"Everyone in camp knew if you wanted to work out your frustration you show up at the [interrogation] tent," he reportedly said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4278734.stm

I posted those too earlier, they seemed relevant here.
 
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