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Silent Hill most likely isn’t coming to Wii
“While Nintendo Wii sales are very high, and I applaud Nintendo for their success, I don’t think Silent Hill is a game that would sell as much on the Wii worldwide when compared to a game like Zelda. This by no means says that we will not consider the idea, but the general opinion is that Wii is for family games…and I’m sure the fans don’t play Silent Hill with their grandma.” - Silent Hill 5 chief designer Masashi Tsuboyama
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I'm really getting tired of this whole Nintendo platforms are for families and kids. My favorite game of last generation was Resident Evil 4 for the Gamecube. Sales were low because the Gamecube didn't sell well. The Wii is doing a lot better so far and the system doesn't create the games, developers do. So if you keep making games like Dewey's Crap Shit Adventure that's all were going to get. I might buy 4 million copies of Manhunt 2 just because I'm tired of these statements. I'm just hoping that the Wii sells enough that some of these developers take their heads out of their asses.
 
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I'm really getting tired of this whole Nintendo platforms are for families and kids. My favorite game of last generation was Resident Evil 4 for the Gamecube. Sales were low because the Gamecube didn't sell well. The Wii is doing a lot better so far and the system doesn't create the games, developers do. So if you keep making games like Dewey's Crap Shit Adventure that's all were going to get. I might buy 4 million copies of Manhunt 2 just because I'm tired of these statements. I'm just hoping that the Wii sells enough that some of these developers take their heads out of their asses.[/quote]

I completely disagree with you. Nintendo's systems are more family friendly. It's not a bad thing. It's just their thing. Some people will really enjoy games like RE4, such as you and me, but the majority of Wii gamers are looking for more family friendly games. The developers just want to sell as many games as possible.

Maybe if RE4 and Manhunt 2 sell really well more developers will decide to bring their M rated games to the Wii.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']You can't afford 4 million copies of Manhunt 2.[/QUOTE]

Will you buy a copy from me? I'll sell it at a nice CAG discount. :)
 
You could at least pick a better negative example than the hopefully-promising platformer that is Dewy's Adventure.

We'll see how the RE games sell on Wii. The Wii is family-friendly, but eventually developers will get their heads out of their asses and realize that when a console has an install base many times larger than another, there are probably enough people who aren't 10 years old or 60 years old that will buy family-unfriendly games to make it very worthwhile.
 
I can only assume that both of the new Resident Evil games that are being released will sell like mad, especially if Umbrella Chronicles is priced 30 bucks like RE4 is. A problem with that is when they do finally pull their heads out because of great sales from other games, the development time is gone, so the Wii ends up with some crappy port with tacked-on Wii controls, instead of being built specifically for the Wii
 
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I'm really getting tired of this whole Nintendo platforms are for families and kids. My favorite game of last generation was Resident Evil 4 for the Gamecube. Sales were low because the Gamecube didn't sell well. The Wii is doing a lot better so far and the system doesn't create the games, developers do. So if you keep making games like Dewey's Crap Shit Adventure that's all were going to get. I might buy 4 million copies of Manhunt 2 just because I'm tired of these statements. I'm just hoping that the Wii sells enough that some of these developers take their heads out of their asses.[/quote]


Sorry it's kind of hard not to look at a Wii as a family and friends and kids console. Look at the advertising they use, it all shows a bunch of people together having fun playing the fun family type games.. Then they have just about every Animated kids movie turned game, on top of that if the whole Idea is to bring groups of people together to play a game most of the time it's not going to be to play a survival horror game.

Your getting a port of RE4 and Manhunt 2 be happy lol
 
Maybe if Nintendo didn't market their systems towards families, developers wouldn't say shit like that? Look at the damn Wii commercials!!! It's a family sitting around a TV playing Wii (with 2 asian men lol).

Nintendo has thier niche and it seems like they could give a shit about catering to the hardcore audience.
 
[quote name='dragonreborn23']I completely disagree with you. Nintendo's systems are more family friendly. It's not a bad thing. It's just their thing. Some people will really enjoy games like RE4, such as you and me, but the majority of Wii gamers are looking for more family friendly games. The developers just want to sell as many games as possible.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that developers can never appeal to a niche. Before someone says "Gee Chacranajxy, that's simple economics wtf do you think you fag?", take a look at the PS2 where there's been a variety of games regardless of how well they might sell. I don't understand why we can't have some variety on the Wii as well. Sure, the game wouldn't sell as many copies as "Bumblefuck Adventures: Shake Like You Have a Condition," but I think it would still sell more than enough on the Wii to justify its existence simply because people who want something darker are completely starved on the Wii.

But... if this is how it's gonna be... whatever. I'll buy it on the PS3/360/PC instead.... seems that's the only option for these types of games.
 
[quote name='botticus']You could at least pick a better negative example than the hopefully-promising platformer that is Dewy's Adventure.
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It's not the game its the overall look of that game that drives me up a fucking wall. Graphics with a more cartoony approach are fine but this game looks like its for 5 year olds.

 
Gee, all the demo videos and commercials I see involve familes with old people and young kids.

The fault is not with developers this time, it lies with Nintendo.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']Gee, all the demo videos and commercials I see involve familes with old people and young kids.

The fault is not with developers this time, it lies with Nintendo.[/quote]If developers are using commercials as a basis for what games they put on a system, that is mind-boggling. What they should look at is the fact that a pretty much unfinished game with shitty word of mouth (Red Steel) has sold about a million copies worldwide.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']Gee, all the demo videos and commercials I see involve familes with old people and young kids.

The fault is not with developers this time, it's with Nintendo.[/QUOTE]

Yeah :roll: because old people and young kids never watch R rated movies? Let's be realistic here. If I had $5 for every time I saw a 10 year old buying Grand Theft Auto (or even their parents buying it for them) I'd be rich.
 
[quote name='jkam']Yeah :roll: because old people and young kids never watch R rated movies? Let's be realistic here. If I had $5 for every time I saw a 10 year old buying Grand Theft Auto (or even their parents buying it for them) I'd be rich.[/QUOTE]

Keep in mind though that Nintendo had a segment in one of their commercials where some rednecks were playing Excitetruck. Judging from their shitty clothes and their trailer, they can't even afford a fucking Wii, so I'm not sure what the point of it was. But that is Nintendo's target market. Despite Reggie's whole "we haven't forgotten about people with standards for the shit they buy"speech... well, we aren't the target market for Nintendo this gen. So the games that come out will probably have less appeal to us than ever before and still sell an obscene number of copies. It has nothing to do with what 10 year olds buy in the seedy underground market that is Gamestop.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Keep in mind though that Nintendo had a segment in one of their commercials where some rednecks were playing Excitetruck. Judging from their shitty clothes and their trailer, they can't even afford a fucking Wii, so I'm not sure what the point of it was. But that is Nintendo's target market. Despite Reggie's whole "we haven't forgotten about people with standards for the shit they buy"speech... well, we aren't the target market for Nintendo this gen. So the games that come out will probably have less appeal to us than ever before and still sell an obscene number of copies. It has nothing to do with what 10 year olds buy in the seedy underground market that is Gamestop.[/QUOTE]

I agree we most likely aren't the target for Nintendo this gen but I guarantee if the Wii went on to sell 100M consoles these developers would be singing a different tune. The other thing is 3rd party publishers complain that people who buy Nintendo consoles usually buy Nintendo games. So with their logic shouldn't they make games for the console that don't line up with what Nintendo is doing?

I wouldn't mind so much if developers came out with Family Friendly Game #7 as long as it was their original intention...but don't sit on the other side of the fence saying I can't make this game for the Wii because of the system. It seems to me they didn't think the Wii would be a success so they didn't make a game and now they are making up excuses. If the Wii passes the 360 in install base and the PS3 continues to sell poorly where are these games going to sell the best?
 
I don't really understand what the uproar is all about. When you buy a Nintendo system (N64, GC and now Wii) you know what kind of games you are getting. If you were under the impression that you were going to be playing the newest GTA and games like that, you are sadly mistaken. You are going to get excellent first party Nintendo games, a few gems and a lot of shitty kids games. The good thing about Nintendo systems is that they are cheaper then the other systems. The lower price point and the stellar first party games make the system worth it.
 
[quote name='ChaoticClimax']I don't really understand what the uproar is all about. When you buy a Nintendo system (N64, GC and now Wii) you know what kind of games you are getting. If you were under the impression that you were going to be playing the newest GTA and games like that, you are sadly mistaken. You are going to get excellent first party Nintendo games, a few gems and a lot of shitty kids games. The good thing about Nintendo systems is that they are cheaper then the other systems. The lower price point and the stellar first party games make the system worth it.[/QUOTE]

The problem though is that we don't seem to be getting those few third party gems and even Nintendo's offerings seem to be devolving into mini-game collections. This is potentially the worst situation we've had with a Nintendo system yet.
 
http://www.konami.com/edealinv/servlet/ExecMacro?nurl=control/ContactUs.vm&ctl_nbr=3810

Contact them and tell them what you think. Put up or shut up.

Either way, everyone should buy a copy of Manhunt 2, Resident Evil 4 Wii, and Scarface: The World Is Not Enough, not because all of those games are gearing up to be pretty good, but in order to show their support for M rated games. You won't necessarily love the games, but in the long run, it will show the companies that these titles are selling on the Wii. If you beat these games right away and put them up on Ebay, you'll even recoup most of your investment.

In addition, you should start spreading word of mouth to all of your friends about these M rated games coming out so that they pick them up as well. If basically you're not willing to do this much to get the mature games you want, then it's time to shut up.

But it's still not as bad as the Gamecube.
 
[quote name='ChaoticClimax']I don't really understand what the uproar is all about. When you buy a Nintendo system (N64, GC and now Wii) you know what kind of games you are getting. If you were under the impression that you were going to be playing the newest GTA and games like that, you are sadly mistaken. You are going to get excellent first party Nintendo games, a few gems and a lot of shitty kids games. The good thing about Nintendo systems is that they are cheaper then the other systems. The lower price point and the stellar first party games make the system worth it.[/quote]
This pattern only holds up for the past two console generations. The "kiddie" stigma developed during the N64 era, and continued into the GCN era. There's no reason that it has to continue.

Console sales will bring games. If/when the Wii becomes the highest selling console this generation, you'll start to hear a bunch of developers changing their tune.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']The problem though is that we don't seem to be getting those few third party gems and even Nintendo's offerings seem to be devolving into mini-game collections. This is potentially the worst situation we've had with a Nintendo system yet.[/QUOTE]


I know your posting about being frustrated etc.. But give me a break Are you forgetting that the 360 is in its 2nd year closing in on the 3rd? The games are coming wait till E3 and give it a year they will be here. Its been a few months.
 
Again. Buy Manhunt 2, Scarface, and Resident Evil 4. They're all looking to be good and it won't kill you to support the M rated genre.
 
I hear ya jkam, but marketing to families and kids, and being thought of as a 'family friendly' system is a conscious decision on Nintendos part.

I wont even call it Nintendos 'problem' cos right now Nintendo is making money and Sony and Microsfot arent, so I doubt they see any 'problem' with that.

Anyone who's a fan of GTA, Silent Hill, or any other adult themed game franchises already know they are gonna have to get a 360 or ps3 to go along with their Wii. RE on the Cube/Wii is the exception to the rule, not a sign of things to come.
 
I hear what your saying, towards the end sports games where becoming to "mature" for GC, and they stopped making them.
 
[quote name='ChaoticClimax']I don't really understand what the uproar is all about. When you buy a Nintendo system (N64, GC and now Wii) you know what kind of games you are getting. If you were under the impression that you were going to be playing the newest GTA and games like that, you are sadly mistaken. You are going to get excellent first party Nintendo games, a few gems and a lot of shitty kids games. The good thing about Nintendo systems is that they are cheaper then the other systems. The lower price point and the stellar first party games make the system worth it.[/QUOTE]

The Gamecube was not a kiddie system. There were games like Dead To Rights, Hitman 2, Prince of Persia, and Resident Evil 4. Now its not that I expect the newest GTA, its why not have GTA on the system? It's the games that matter and if a ground up Wii GTA was made I'm pretty sure people would be interested in it.
 
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I'm really getting tired of this whole Nintendo platforms are for families and kids. My favorite game of last generation was Resident Evil 4 for the Gamecube. Sales were low because the Gamecube didn't sell well. The Wii is doing a lot better so far and the system doesn't create the games, developers do. So if you keep making games like Dewey's Crap Shit Adventure that's all were going to get. I might buy 4 million copies of Manhunt 2 just because I'm tired of these statements. I'm just hoping that the Wii sells enough that some of these developers take their heads out of their asses.[/quote]

Dewey's Crap Shit Adventure looks pretty good actually... I even have the old Japanese import on my Sega Saturn.
 
Money talks. Personally, I don't care if the latest blood and tits "mature" title makes it to Wii or not. But if those kinds of games sell well on the console, developers will port those kinds of games.

I agree with those who say that the sales of RE4 and Manhunt 2 will probably determine what happens here.
 
[quote name='MisterHand']Money talks. Personally, I don't care if the latest blood and tits "mature" title makes it to Wii or not. But if those kinds of games sell well on the console, developers will port those kinds of games.

I agree with those who say that the sales of RE4 and Manhunt 2 will probably determine what happens here.[/quote]

Don't forget scarface. :)
 
[quote name='coltyhuxx']Dewey's Crap Shit Adventure looks pretty good actually... I even have the old Japanese import on my Sega Saturn.[/QUOTE]

Despite looking fun, he has a point. Why does it have to look like it came from candy-land?
 
Whoever said we are better off now than when the Gamecube launched is a silly chap.

By this point we already had Smash Bros., Star Wars and REmake.

Also, what about the Godfather? That game got good reviews and plays pretty decently (even though I think the Wii controls are a lot less intuitive than a gamepad).
 
[quote name='jkam']The Gamecube was not a kiddie system. There were games like Dead To Rights, Hitman 2, Prince of Persia, and Resident Evil 4. Now its not that I expect the newest GTA, its why not have GTA on the system? It's the games that matter and if a ground up Wii GTA was made I'm pretty sure people would be interested in it.[/quote]

The problem with the games you listed are that they were multi-platform or ports, except for RE4. The Gamecube was not the destination of those games, they just kinda ended up there so the developers could make more money. The hardcore games that were developed for the Cube are few and far between.

I agree with your statement about GTA on Wii though, it would sell. It would probably sell pretty well, as long as it wasn't a dumbed down port and was something new that wasn't available on another console in a superior form.

This Manhunt 2/Resident Evil 4 test that everyone keeps talking about isn't going to end well. Resident Evil 4 is already playable on the Wii, just pop in the Gamecube disk! No need to buy it again. Manhunt 2 will be as disturbing as Manhunt was and won't sell to the typical families that bought the Wii, only the hardcore gamers will want it. That specific group of hardcore gamers that would actually yearn to play Manhunt 2 probably didn't have Wii as their #1 console choice.
 
How can anyone take this guy seriously when he tries to pass off Zelda as a family game? This guy obviously has no clue.

Idiots like this guy will be singing the Wii's praises as soon as Manhunt 2 and the RE games sell through the roof.
 
Give it a little time. At some point the image won't matter nearly as much as the number of systems sold. As that number continues to climb, the demographics they can shoot for broaden out. Like the PS2 example before, there were so many systems sold, you can assume both your GTAs and your Pixar Movie Games are going to sell, and sell well.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']How can anyone take this guy seriously when he tries to pass of Zelda as a family game? This guy obviously has no clue.

Idiots like this guy will be singing the Wii's praises as soon as Manhunt 2 and the RE games sell through the roof.[/QUOTE]

Zeldas not family friendly?

Did I miss something?
 
it is a problem but I'd rather play the next RE or GTA on the 360 or PS3 because the systems are more powerful and can deliver a more "realistic" experience. Wacky controls can only go so far.
 
[quote name='javeryh']it is a problem but I'd rather play the next RE or GTA on the 360 or PS3 because the systems are more powerful and can deliver a more "realistic" experience. Wacky controls can only go so far.[/QUOTE]

You can say the graphics would be more realistic but you can't comment on the gameplay or immersion factor because a ground up Wii game like this doesn't exist. You'd rather play what you know then what would be possible with a halfway decent developer making a Wii game.
 
[quote name='javeryh']it is a problem but I'd rather play the next RE or GTA on the 360 or PS3 because the systems are more powerful and can deliver a more "realistic" experience. Wacky controls can only go so far.[/QUOTE]

I feel the same way. Once you see what the 360 can do for you in comparison to the Wii, there's really no way you'd want to buy the Wii version of a multi-platform game.

I'm also startled that people are declaring Manhunt 2 and RE:4:Wii to be a critical battlefront. Wasn't the first Manhunt a little mediocre? But at least it's original content, I guess. RE:4:Wii, otoh... wow. Do you guys *really* wanna get behind a game release as cynical as this? Weren't there a bunch of people bashing Mario Party 8 for being more of the same?

I'd love to see more mature games on the Wii, but supporting hack jobs like this to *maybe* sway developers' minds ain't something I'm interested in doing.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']
Also, what about the Godfather? That game got good reviews and plays pretty decently (even though I think the Wii controls are a lot less intuitive than a gamepad).[/quote]Wow, seriously? The Wii controls are the only reason I'm buying that game. Otherwise I'd pass just like I've passed on every sandbox game to this day.

So yeah, I highly recommend that one.
 
Boom!

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Yes, the ripple in your morning glass of Mountain Dew means the Wiirantosoreass approaches!

Look, all we really needed to know about the direction and 'focus' of Nintendo's "new generation" console happened about a year ago, i.e., when the Console Formerly Known as the Revolution (that's like a double-Prince joke) became the "Wii". You don't think that moniker wasn't established to be not only distinctive and universal but also as innocuous and cuddly-sounding as possible, do you?

It's really not 'our' console, even if many of 'us' (selectively, perhaps) dig what it has to offer. It never was. It's 'their' console. The only question at this point is if 'they' are going to tire of it once they've pretty much seen and shaken at every type of minigame once through. Will the tykes of today hit that point in the next year or two where they suddenly want to become a decapitating space marine? Will Minivan Mom go back to wanting to waggle something else, i.e. a 'Wiimote' outside the household? Will Grandma even be...well, you get the idea.

Thing is, as fickle as the 'casual' general public can be and almost always is ("fickle" is my cynical definition of "casual" in a pop culture context), I don't think they're going to suddenly abandon the Wii en masse. As a matter of fact, I think that Nintendo is going to have an ample arsenal to keep repackaging the same half-dozen tricks to string them along for the better part of this generation, and while sales may gradually taper off over the remainder of the decade, I think what they'll get will be more than enough to all but totally marginalize 'us' from the equation. A game a quarter is about all you can hope for.

'They' won't really care about the technical aspect of the games, not because they're not superficial (believe me, far from that notion!), but because many of the target audience for this console (outside the zealots, natch) don't know any better. Matter of fact, I'd argue that these people might find photorealistic graphics too intimidating and not 'cute' enough. I mean, look at Mii (that's plural, too, kids). I think we can all agree that the Wii is capable of rendering arms if they wanted it to!

I know that it's not always plausible, but ever since someone posted that "Can the Wii Alone Keep the Hardcore Gamer Happy?"-type thread months ago, I've given that frequent thought, and, well, NO, it can't. THIS is the reason. And it's not going to change, only solidify over time. Nintendo is going to use Reggie and "I Wanna Bang Matt-IGN" Perrin to string along the gamer contingent into believing that the kind of games that earned Nintendo their virtually untouchable, papal infallibility-like status are going to be coming at a healthy clip. And the gamers by and large will keep believing it.

Twilight Princess, whatever you thought of it, WILL be the highest-reviewed and overall best 'epic' game on this system. The VC WILL provide a much higher concentration of great gaming experiences than the disc-based, $49.99 titles. A Manhunt 2 will be the exception that proves the rule once or twice a year. But this is not your father's game console, it's not your game console...it's your mother's. So get ready for Mario Idol, kids.
 
[quote name='jkam']You can say the graphics would be more realistic but you can't comment on the gameplay or immersion factor because a ground up Wii game like this doesn't exist. You'd rather play what you know then what would be possible with a halfway decent developer making a Wii game.[/quote]

I'm not so sure. I'm going to reserve final judgment until Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 come out but right now I'm leaning heavily towards the 360 controller as my favorite for this generation. The Wiimote works nicely for certain games - just not the ones I really want to play as a somewhat serious gamer. I'm having a hard time envisioning a control scheme that will provide the level of immersion that Nintendo has promised but we shall see I guess.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Zeldas not family friendly?

Did I miss something?[/QUOTE]

Please enlighten us and tell us what makes it a family friendly game.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Please enlighten us and tell us what makes it a family friendly game.[/QUOTE]

Is there anything said or done in Zelda you couldn't see outside a PG movie?
 
I'd like to also add that the aforementioned 'zealots' are equally as 'dangerous' as the previously non-gaming masses, as Nintendo could put out the 'back-to-basic' TV tennis and they'd marvel at how Nintendo reminded us all of the integral simplicity of pure gaming, and they'd relish the opportunity to play Tic-Tac-Toe on the TV, as it is the essence of 'accessibility' and harkens back to the pre-NES glory days of WarGames. No, seriously, while those are absurd examples, we all know someone who fits that unhinged bill.

Now don't you feel ashamed!
 
[quote name='botticus']Wow, seriously? The Wii controls are the only reason I'm buying that game. Otherwise I'd pass just like I've passed on every sandbox game to this day.

So yeah, I highly recommend that one.[/quote]

Godfather is definitely on my list of to get Wii games (when it's cheap). And I'm also getting it for the controls, I would have never even thought about buying this game on another console.

Perhaps the reason I only play family friendly games with my grandma is that only minigame compilations and and shitty ports are being released. It seems every developer is playing it safe, and if that happens nothing halfway decent will come out.

If this is how devs think, then so be it. It should then be Nintendo's job to get on their ass. I'm sorry, but as much as Nintendo tries with their press releases, first party Metroid and Mario does not make the Wii a hardcore (and I use that term extremely loosely) system.
 
Is there some reason why you cant court both of these groups of people with different software simultaneously? Like I dunno, the DS.

I think the number of so called new or lapsed gamers that the Wii is bringing in is vastly overstated. You've bought into marketing speak if you really believe that they are the majority or even anywhere near that.

Repackaging the same tricks? The entirety of "next-gen" at this point are the same games you've been playing for years, only with fancy textures and light bloom.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']
Repackaging the same tricks? The entirety of "next-gen" at this point are the same games you've been playing for years, only with fancy textures and light bloom.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't the same be said about every traditional console?
 
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