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Repackaging the same tricks? The entirety of "next-gen" at this point are the same games you've been playing for years, only with fancy textures and light bloom.


"That's your inner Luddite talking."

EDIT: And yes, I believe the previously non-gaming masses are the difference-maker for this console. Sure, the white-hot Wii sales are due in large part to relative affordability, but there's the trendy/novelty/zeitgeist buzz-factor driving them just as much, if not moreso. And no one can dispute that they're who Nintendo is going hard after.
 
[quote name='Lan_Zer0']
If this is how devs think, then so be it. It should then be Nintendo's job to get on their ass. I'm sorry, but as much as Nintendo tries with their press releases, first party Metroid and Mario does not make the Wii a hardcore (and I use that term extremely loosely) system.[/QUOTE]

Then what does? Red Steel sold a million units, Zelda sold a decent amount as well, what will it take to show developer's that these types of games sell?

I have a feeling RE 4 and Manhunt 2 could sell over a million a piece and developers still won't care.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I'm not so sure. I'm going to reserve final judgment until Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 come out but right now I'm leaning heavily towards the 360 controller as my favorite for this generation. The Wiimote works nicely for certain games - just not the ones I really want to play as a somewhat serious gamer. I'm having a hard time envisioning a control scheme that will provide the level of immersion that Nintendo has promised but we shall see I guess.[/QUOTE]

I like the 360 controller a lot as well. I still see these as two separate equations though...if GTA 360 was a completely different game than GTA Wii... the control scheme shouldn't make a difference as long as it works and was built with the system in mind. It sounds like your issue stems from the nunchuck + wiimote rather than the game being on a Nintendo system which is another discussion entirely.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Couldn't the same be said about every traditional console?[/QUOTE]

If someone wanted to be consistently wrong and say that there's never really been gameplay advancements made as the result of improved hardware... then yeah, probably.
 
As long as Nintendo has a PS2 like grip on Japan, that guarantees developer support. Diverse support. They're not all going to develop the same kind of non-core software. No, maybe they will. Seriously.

So far Japan has completely rejected next-gen.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']But the rest of the world hasn't.[/quote]
That comment was in regards to getting developer support. And not just for things like the Touch Generations software.

Can developers ignore Wii? Sure, but in Japan especially, they do so at their own peril. The only other alternative in the home console market is the PS3, with dramatically lower marketshare AND vastly higher dev costs, especially when you CAN get away with what people like to call 'last-gen' graphics.
 
[quote name='jkam']I like the 360 controller a lot as well. I still see these as two separate equations though...if GTA 360 was a completely different game than GTA Wii... the control scheme shouldn't make a difference as long as it works and was built with the system in mind. It sounds like your issue stems from the nunchuck + wiimote rather than the game being on a Nintendo system which is another discussion entirely.[/quote]

I completely agree but given the choice between two full-fledged GTA games that work and play well I'd still choose the 360 version every single time. I love Nintendo consoles and I will probably continue to buy them just for the Marios and Zeldas but at this point in time that's all I'm expecting - the hardcore/adult/mature/whatever games I'll play elsewhere and I'm fine with that because I can afford two (or three) current-gen systems. If the Wii was all I could afford then I might be a little more concerned.

You are right though - I may have an issue with the wiimote as a controller. It's just not as precise as I thought it would be and so far every game other than Wii Sports seems like it could do just fine without it.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']As long as Nintendo has a PS2 like grip on Japan, that guarantees developer support. Diverse support. They're not all going to develop the same kind of non-core software. No, maybe they will. Seriously.

So far Japan has completely rejected next-gen.[/QUOTE]


But the only Japanese developers that really matter outside Japan are Square-Enix, Capcom, and to a smaller extent Konami. It seems that all of their big guns are going to the PS3 and 360, although I am pumped for Crystal Chronicles on the Wii after seeing the changes to the series.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']That comment was in regards to getting developer support. And not just for things like the Touch Generations software.

Can developers ignore Wii? Sure, but in Japan especially, they do so at their own peril. The only other alternative in the home console market is the PS3, with dramatically lower marketshare AND vastly higher dev costs, especially when you CAN get away with what people like to call 'last-gen' graphics.[/QUOTE]

That's true, but the way I see it (and this is just an opinion) if I were a developer, I'd want to use the latest technology to make my game. Sure, if I put out a game on the Wii it may sell more, but lets use Silent Hill as an example. They might want to use the extra graphically power, sound, etc to the games advantage from a technical POV
 
Thats quite a generalization. It would be just as bad for me to say that there are only an equal number of Western developers that matter ANYWHERE.

Though because of my particular tastes, I only own a single western developed game, out of over 150 games. Puzzle Quest.

The big decider is where the niche games go. The smaller devs who are swayed more by high marketshare, low power, low dev costs.

For example, the dozen small groups that get published by Atlus or NIS. And I dont necessarily mean where they start. They might start some place and change their mind. Its where they end up long term.

And as an aside, because I like saying it, Dragon Quest still wins Japan. The overlap of which platform they devote a Dragon Quest game to and that platform leading marketshare is 100%. They havent guessed wrong yet.

If someone coughs at a Nintendo conference and it sounds ambiguously like Dragon Quest 10, its over. I'll concede that the PS3 wins Japan if DQ10 is announced for the PS3. Either that or they will have guessed wrong for the first time ever.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']But the only Japanese developers that really matter outside Japan are Square-Enix, Capcom, and to a smaller extent Konami. It seems that all of their big guns are going to the PS3 and 360, although I am pumped for Crystal Chronicles on the Wii after seeing the changes to the series.[/QUOTE]

Actually wait... what developers aren't supporting next gen systems? I honestly can't think of any. I'm sure there's some developer that specializes in mediocre SRPGs that we're missing on the PS3 and 360, but it's not like anyone gave a fuck about them anyway apart from shut-in RPG nerds.
 
And yet another thread about the Wii devolves into just bickering about graphics power, development costs, and what makes a great game.

Isn't anyone else getting tired of this argument?
 
[quote name='daroga']And yet another thread about the Wii devolves into just bickering about graphics power, development costs, and what makes a great game.

Isn't anyone else getting tired of this argument?[/QUOTE]

It's summer, without class to keep me structured I need something to enjoy :lol:
 
I think I just do it to save anyone else the trouble of responding.

Stuff like this is going to happen until majority marketshare is decided. Then instead of this, we'll have the tasting of our fallen opponents' tears over the lament of how their hobby is destroyed.
 
Here is my take on all of this. First off the first problem is the god damn ports. Ok let me explain. Manhunt 2 is cool because it is being devloped with the Wii along with other versions and will be released at the same time (I have no problem with these games). My first problem is when games like the Godfather or Scarface come out like 8 months after it's initial launch and they slap on a $50 price tag to a game that retails for $20 for other systems (just like the new Mortal Kombat game). If anyone wonders why the new Mortal Kombat does not sell good on the Wii, take a look at the fucking price and it's been out for like what 6 months already.

The whole point is the developers are a bunch of fucking pussies who are too scared to release M rated games. There is one way to change this though, and it is to release 50 Cent Bulletproof. This seems odd, but face it if this sells a million then I think the developers will realize people will buy any crap we put out. Scarface, Godfather, Manhunt are kinda good games, we need a god aweful M rated game to sell millions to get the developers to rethink their M rated strategy. Think about it, if the developers know crap sells, then a good game might do better so more games in that area.
 
Its just going to take some M rated games coming out and selling well for companies to start porting them over.

If RE4 and Manhunt 2 sell well we may see a shift, but it won't be easy for Nintendo to shed the kiddy image. Especially if stuff like Mario Party 8 outsells the above mentioned games.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']

If someone coughs at a Nintendo conference and it sounds ambiguously like Dragon Quest 10, its over. I'll concede that the PS3 wins Japan if DQ10 is announced for the PS3. Either that or they will have guessed wrong for the first time ever.[/QUOTE]

You really like that little coughing catch phrase you made up don't you? :D


I will admit that DQ is a huge deal, and is the sole reason I went out and bought a DS after 9 was announced for it. But those developers I listed were the only ones I could think of that regularly have commercial hits in the US.
 
[quote name='daroga']And yet another thread about the Wii devolves into just bickering about graphics power, development costs, and what makes a great game.

Isn't anyone else getting tired of this argument?[/quote]

Nope, just you. :)
 
[quote name='javeryh']I completely agree but given the choice between two full-fledged GTA games that work and play well I'd still choose the 360 version every single time.[/QUOTE]

As a fellow 360 owner I do understand where you are coming from. I really just feel as if the article in my original post leads to the pigeon-hole effect that the gamecube suffered from.

If a developer makes a game and its good regardless of the system it will sell well. So we don't even need to have a 360 GTA vs. a Wii GTA debate. It's not so much that I want to see GTA (or any other specific mature title) on the system but I want to at least have a choice. Red Steel (even though it wasn't good) went on to sell a lot of copies.

My main gripe is not that game X isn't coming to the Wii...its that the developer is shunning off any mature title for the system with his statement.
 
Some of the big ones you forgot, not including Nintendo and Sony themselves, are Namco-Bandai and Sammy/Sega.

According to Konami's wiki page, the 4 largest devs in Japan are as follows:
Nintendo, Sega, Namco, Konami.
 
I didn't read anything but the OP, but isn't Nintendo advertising the Wii to families/casual gamers?

So in the end wouldn't it be their fault?
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Some of the big ones you forgot, not including Nintendo and Sony themselves, are Namco-Bandai and Sammy/Sega.

According to Konami's wiki page, the 4 largest devs in Japan are as follows:
Nintendo, Sega, Namco, Konami.[/QUOTE]

In Japan yes, but we were talking about the US. My comment was about what third party Japanese developers actually make a difference in the US market and have multiple commercial hits. It seems that all of the big dogs are placing their main franchises on the ps3/360 and the side projects go to the wii so far.
 
[quote name='jkam']As a fellow 360 owner I do understand where you are coming from. I really just feel as if the article in my original post leads to the pigeon-hole effect that the gamecube suffered from.

If a developer makes a game and its good regardless of the system it will sell well. So we don't even need to have a 360 GTA vs. a Wii GTA debate. It's not so much that I want to see GTA (or any other specific mature title) on the system but I want to at least have a choice. Red Steel (even though it wasn't good) went on to sell a lot of copies.

My main gripe is not that game X isn't coming to the Wii...its that the developer is shunning off any mature title for the system with his statement.[/quote]

You have to remember this is Nintendo. Does any 3rd party developer love working with Nintendo in the first place? Why would they go out of their way to release an M rated game that the majority of Wii gamers may or may not accept? These same developers probably have some horrible memories of trying to develop and work with Nintendo during the N64 and Gamecube eras.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Is there anything said or done in Zelda you couldn't see outside a PG movie?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Maybe one day you'll come to realize - and I don't know if that will ever happen since you appear to be a Wii hater - that it takes more than a lack of boobies, bad words and blood to be family friendly.

Zelda is a game, and a complex one at that. When your average mom, dad or grandma picks up a zelda game and "gets it" in a couple minutes and desires or is able to play through all God-knows-how-many dungeons give me a call.

[quote name='daroga']And yet another thread about the Wii devolves into just bickering about graphics power, development costs, and what makes a great game.

Isn't anyone else getting tired of this argument?[/QUOTE]

Yes,and its sad. But what do you expect from a bunch of sour xbots and PS3 fanboys who can't get over the fact that the Wii is on top and have to invade every wii thread to "remind" everyone that the Wii has crappy controls, no games to play and is kiddie?
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Twilight Princess, whatever you thought of it, WILL be the highest-reviewed and overall best 'epic' game on this system. The VC WILL provide a much higher concentration of great gaming experiences than the disc-based, $49.99 titles. A Manhunt 2 will be the exception that proves the rule once or twice a year. But this is not your father's game console, it's not your game console...it's your mother's. So get ready for Mario Idol, kids.[/quote]

While your arrogant ranting is by all means humorous, I do want you to remember this very quote. Since the rest of you live in some fucking dreamworld, where great games are made overnight, and all your bullshit analysis stems from an unreal expectation for 3rd party software to come "immediately," I stress: you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. I understand that someone with a set of cartoon tits for an avatar might feel "abandoned" by the lack of patronizing semi-nude Barbie dolls in Nintendo titles, the very kind of female presense that so much of gaming industry feels young men who play games need to see. I can even pretend that it's a valid point that everyone wants to be a "head-chopping marine." I won't, however, buy into your justification for your mixture of arrogance, ignorance, and bullshit.

What "proof" do you have that Nintendo can not/will not deliver the goods? The fact that Silent Hill (about as "ADULT" as games can get, totally) isn't coming for the Wii? Or are you still using the good old "Metal Gear Solid and Final (wish it was) Fantasy XIII imply ADULT games for PS3, and Nintendo only have Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3? Or because Wii doesn't have the word "Cube, Cast, Box, or Station" in its title? Because it sounds to me like you're just making a bullshit prediction based on some nonsense you just pulled out of your ass.

I wonder if you write down your opinion, read it, and somehow hypnotise yourself after reading YOUR OWN POST, to believe that it is, somehow, valid confirmed news. I only wish I was this moved by seeing my own senseless bullshit type-set on an internet forum.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']In Japan yes, but we were talking about the US. My comment was about what third party Japanese developers actually make a difference in the US market and have multiple commercial hits. It seems that all of the big dogs are placing their main franchises on the ps3/360 and the side projects go to the wii so far.[/quote]
So far, that IS how things have started. I think part of that was because devs across the board got caught with their pants down regarding Wii support, and had already committed big names to competing platforms before the fact.

And really, as long as a lot of those big franchises are about pushing the envelope on power, it may stay that way, unless the market shift becomes more dramatic than even I think.

I think announcments like Rygar and new IP is encouraging though.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']While your arrogant ranting is by all means humorous, I do want you to remember this very quote. Since the rest of you live in some fucking dreamworld, where great games are made overnight, and all your bullshit analysis stems from an unreal expectation for 3rd party software to come "immediately," I stress: you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. I understand that someone with a set of cartoon tits for an avatar might feel "abandoned" by the lack of patronizing semi-nude Barbie dolls in Nintendo titles, the very kind of female presense that so much of gaming industry feels young men who play games need to see. I can even pretend that it's a valid point that everyone wants to be a "head-chopping marine." I won't, however, buy into your justification for your mixture of arrogance, ignorance, and bullshit.

What "proof" do you have that Nintendo can not/will not deliver the goods? The fact that Silent Hill (about as "ADULT" as games can get, totally) isn't coming for the Wii? Or are you still using the good old "Metal Gear Solid and Final (wish it was) Fantasy XIII imply ADULT games for PS3, and Nintendo only have Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3? Or because Wii doesn't have the word "Cube, Cast, Box, or Station" in its title? Because it sounds to me like you're just making a bullshit prediction based on some nonsense you just pulled out of your ass.

I wonder if you write down your opinion, read it, and somehow hypnotise yourself after reading YOUR OWN POST, to believe that it is, somehow, valid confirmed news. I only wish I was this moved by seeing my own senseless bullshit type-set on an internet forum.[/QUOTE]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Yeah, that's what I thought.

Maybe one day you'll come to realize - and I don't know if that will ever happen since you appear to be a Wii hater - that it takes more than a lack of boobies, bad words and blood to be family friendly.

Zelda is a game, and a complex one at that. When your average mom, dad or grandma picks up a zelda game and "gets it" in a couple minutes and desires or is able to play through all God-knows-how-many dungeons give me a call.



Yes,and its sad. But what do you expect from a bunch of sour xbots and PS3 fanboys who can't get over the fact that the Wii is on top and have to invade every wii thread to "remind" everyone that the Wii has crappy controls, no games to play and is kiddie?[/QUOTE]

:rofl: Yes, it is I, the great Wii hater. For I love throwing my money out on VC games, 5 Wii games and RE4 and Manhunt coming up. You got that one right :rofl:

So I hate the Wii because I feel Zelda is family friendly? Because Grandma can't pick it up and get through a dungeon means it's not? I think we have different definitions of family friendly. MY definition is acceptable and fun for the whole family, no matter the age. Case and point, I can give two shits if my mom and sister are in the room while I play Zelda, but I'm wearing head phone right now to play GTA Liberty City Stories.

So I'm sour because I'm critical of the Wii right now? Sorry I'm not on the cock of Nintendo (or MS and Sony for that matter)

If a company does something stupid, I'll call them out on it.
 
I wouldn't call Zelda family friendly, lol. I still wouldn't let any young kid play it...all they'd get to play is Rayman xD
 
[quote name='seanr1221']:rofl: Yes, it is I, the great Wii hater. For I love throwing my money out on VC games, 5 Wii games and RE4 and Manhunt coming up. You got that one right :rofl:
[/QUOTE]

You hate Nintendo until you suck Nintendo's cock. You must or else you're a fanboy.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']
Yes,and its sad. But what do you expect from a bunch of sour xbots and PS3 fanboys who can't get over the fact that the Wii is on top and have to invade every wii thread to "remind" everyone that the Wii has crappy controls, no games to play and is kiddie?[/quote]

This made me laugh. The Wii doesn't have many good games, the controller is a fucking gimmick and the games coming out are childish. Unless idiot fanboys stop praising the Wii, Nintendo will just continue releasing this shit. Nintendo needs to know people aren't happy or they will never return to the quality they once were.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']While your arrogant ranting is by all means humorous, I do want you to remember this very quote. Since the rest of you live in some fucking dreamworld, where great games are made overnight, and all your bullshit analysis stems from an unreal expectation for 3rd party software to come "immediately," I stress: you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. I understand that someone with a set of cartoon tits for an avatar might feel "abandoned" by the lack of patronizing semi-nude Barbie dolls in Nintendo titles, the very kind of female presense that so much of gaming industry feels young men who play games need to see. I can even pretend that it's a valid point that everyone wants to be a "head-chopping marine." I won't, however, buy into your justification for your mixture of arrogance, ignorance, and bullshit.

What "proof" do you have that Nintendo can not/will not deliver the goods? The fact that Silent Hill (about as "ADULT" as games can get, totally) isn't coming for the Wii? Or are you still using the good old "Metal Gear Solid and Final (wish it was) Fantasy XIII imply ADULT games for PS3, and Nintendo only have Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3? Or because Wii doesn't have the word "Cube, Cast, Box, or Station" in its title? Because it sounds to me like you're just making a bullshit prediction based on some nonsense you just pulled out of your ass.

I wonder if you write down your opinion, read it, and somehow hypnotise yourself after reading YOUR OWN POST, to believe that it is, somehow, valid confirmed news. I only wish I was this moved by seeing my own senseless bullshit type-set on an internet forum.[/QUOTE]
I was going to come in here and take on some of the idiots in this thread, but I think you've already done that quite nicely. Good show, sir! :applause:
 
[quote name='ChaoticClimax']The Wii doesn't have many good games[/QUOTE]
The system's been out for six months. That's not a valid criticism yet, and you know it. Development takes time.

[quote name='ChaoticClimax']the controller is a fucking gimmick[/QUOTE]
Remember how people were saying that the DS's touch screen was a gimmick when it launched? And how those criticisms have vanished now?

Again, give it time. New games will find new ways to use the controller.

[quote name='ChaoticClimax']the games coming out are childish[/QUOTE]
...because they aren't full of cartoon boobies and blood. We've got that. Personally, I wouldn't call Metroid Prime or Smash Brothers childish, and anyone who refuses to play Mario or Zelda games because they're "childish" isn't a gamer.

[quote name='ChaoticClimax']Unless idiot fanboys stop praising the Wii, Nintendo will just continue releasing this shit. Nintendo needs to know people aren't happy or they will never return to the quality they once were.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately for you, most people are happy with their Wiis.

Nintendo isn't going to stop releasing "this shit" anytime soon. They've had success with this formula for two decades now, and seeing as it hasn't ceased to work yet, I don't see why they'd have any motivation to change it.

And quality? Nintendo's been consistently releasing amazing games since the NES days. They've never stopped being quality.
 
[quote name='Gothic_Walrus']
Remember how people were saying that the DS's touch screen was a gimmick when it launched? And how those criticisms have vanished now?

[/QUOTE]

The touch screen still is a gimmick imo. The only games that really used it that I feel got it right are Elite Beat Agents and Oeudan 1&2. The majority of games use the touch screen as an afterthough.

[quote name='Gothic_Walrus']

And quality? Nintendo's been consistently releasing amazing games since the NES days. They've never stopped being quality.[/QUOTE]

I guess it comes down to do you like the new genres Nintendo has moved on too.
 
[quote name='ChaoticClimax']This made me laugh. The Wii doesn't have many good games, the controller is a fucking gimmick and the games coming out are childish. Unless idiot fanboys stop praising the Wii, Nintendo will just continue releasing this shit. Nintendo needs to know people aren't happy or they will never return to the quality they once were.[/QUOTE]


Why would they cater to the minority when the majority are happy? The people on this site are not the majority no matter how important they think they are.

The Wii just came out not long ago. The XBox suffered the same lack of games as the Wii. But most people give it a pass because the grafiks ar kool!!!!!

Let's see the controller is a gimmick but giving something better graphics is not? Shit, video games in general are a gimmick.
 
[quote name='ChaoticClimax']This made me laugh. The Wii doesn't have many good games, the controller is a fucking gimmick and the games coming out are childish. Unless idiot fanboys stop praising the Wii, Nintendo will just continue releasing this shit. Nintendo needs to know people aren't happy or they will never return to the quality they once were.[/quote]"Doesn't have many good games"? As Colbert addressed before, games take time. Games take more time when developers weren't sold on the Wii until it hit retail a scant seven months ago. No console has a ton of AAA games right from the get go. The fact that we have 3 (I'd say four) in Zelda, Super Paper Mario, Wii Sports (and Sonic) is pretty astounding.

Yes, Wii Sports is a AAA plus title whether you like it or not. It's what we deem a "killer app" or a "system seller"; it's largely resposnible for the Wii's current run-away success.

I'm really fine with the games Nintendo makes. They're not all aimed at me and my demographics, but that's cool. Saves me some cash. Likewise, if the third parties want to prejudge the system's audience and not give mature games a chance, it's their loss. They're just going to be the one out of money that could've been made with a well-made, quality title.

Why in the heck can't epople just play the games they like and let others enjoy their stuff and not debate abot this crap. There's no objective truth to which console is better or which games are fun.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']The touch screen still is a gimmick imo. They only games that really used it that I feel got it right are Elite Beat Agents and Oeudan 1&2. The majority of games use the touch screen as an afterthough.
.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I gotta agree here, developers have nailed the dual screen aspect in an awesome way most of the time, but the touch screen really isn't used that much, and when it is, it's either poorly implemented or an optional feature you don't even need to use at all.

When they get it right, like in Kirby's Canvas Curse, it's awesome, but most developers don't even try I think.
 
This just in, a new My Pony will be on Wii at the end of this year ^__^;oh don't forget Dogz, Catz game will follow soon.
 
Anyone remember Silent Hill 4? Man, that game was a shit festival. It was probably the Mardi Gras of shit festivals.

We need another installment like #2...you know, a good game.
 
Reality's Fringe;2968970 said:
Anyone remmeber Silent Hill 4? Man, that game was a shit festival. It was probably the Mardi Gras of shit festivals.

We need another instalment like #2...you know, a good game.
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What was wrong with 4? Everyone hates it but I don't get why.
 
As I've said before, its about having options. You're free to make a one button, gba graphics grade game like Rocket Slime. Not everyone has to use the touch screen, or the microphone, but its there if you want to use it for your design.

Not every game will be enhanced by things like this. Some even suffer for it. There are always going to be waggle free traditional games like Fire Emblem for instance.

At the beginning of the DS, there was a lot of forced usage, which has given way to not using it needlessly, even if it the result is not being used most of the time.
 
My understanding of the matter was that people ragged on SH4 because of those spectres that you couldnt kill, but had to use these sword-like things to hold them down while you ran away. Apparently it was a massive downer. I'm sure there were other things.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']My understanding of the matter was that people ragged on SH4 because of those spectres that you couldnt kill, but had to use these sword-like things to hold them down while you ran away. Apparently it was a massive downer. I'm sure there were other things.[/QUOTE]

Boring ass backtracking, limited inventory slots, useless weapons, same environments from every other Silent Hill game( know it's one town, but how many times do we have to go through the Hospital/apartment/prison ?), piss-poor NPC AI, and some lameass with guns trying to kill you every once in a while. Even the story, usually my favorite part of the SH games, was totally "eh."
 
[quote name='evilmax17']This pattern only holds up for the past two console generations. The "kiddie" stigma developed during the N64 era, and continued into the GCN era. There's no reason that it has to continue.

Console sales will bring games. If/when the Wii becomes the highest selling console this generation, you'll start to hear a bunch of developers changing their tune.[/quote]

FYI, the Nintendo kiddie image began when Nintendo wouldn't let blood be shown in Mortal Kombat on the SNES (so the developer used gray sweat) whereas the Genesis version got "unlockable" blood codes. Just a little history lesson...
 
buy a ps3 or 360 with your wii and stop crying? hmm since you want to buy 4 million copies of manhunt you probably can afford a new console
 
No Silent Hill on Wii?

GOOD!
That game should be expressed on systems like the 360 or PS3.

And yes, Zelda is a family game.
It would be rated PG if it were in movies.
I like when my sister watches me play it because it's quite an adventure.

My sister, will never play a more graphic game because she's just not old enough yet.
 
[quote name='dallow']
My sister, will never play a more graphic game because she's just not old enough yet.[/QUOTE]
I wish I acted more like you :lol:

I let my sister watch me play whatever she wants...although there are a few games I won't play in front of her...for the most part I play whatever :p
 
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