This has to end. I hate this S%*T!!!

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[quote name='dallow']No Silent Hill on Wii?

GOOD!
That game should be expressed on systems like the 360 or PS3.

And yes, Zelda is a family game.
It would be rated PG if it were in movies.
I like when my sister watches me play it because it's quite an adventure.

My sister, will never play a more graphic game because she's just not old enough yet.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I don't know why he got offended when I called it a family friendly game. Family friendly doesn't mean it's bad at all.

The only things I can think that would be offensive is if you feel monster slashing is wrong, or collecting poe's souls is satanic.
 
[quote name='soonersfan60']FYI, the Nintendo kiddie image began when Nintendo wouldn't let blood be shown in Mortal Kombat on the SNES (so the developer used gray sweat) whereas the Genesis version got "unlockable" blood codes. Just a little history lesson...[/quote]

Was the code to unlock the blood ABBABAC, or ABCABCBCBA? I think I'm confusing the secret options menu from Sol Feace and the blood code of Mortal Kombat. Oh well, I remember the code being in the instruction manual as well. As for kiddie image, I could care less. Conker was kiddie looking as hell, but we all know better. My opinion is, just because it looks kiddie, doesn't really mean it is. For example... Zelda Wind Waker. I would like to see some little kid casual gamer beat this game or even understand the theme. I say it's the content, not just the graphics, that make a game kiddie or adult orientated.
 
[quote name='panasonic']buy a ps3 or 360 with your wii and stop crying? hmm since you want to buy 4 million copies of manhunt you probably can afford a new console[/QUOTE]

I own a 360.
 
[quote name='vasco']Was the code to unlock the blood ABBABAC, or ABCABCBCBA? I think I'm confusing the secret options menu from Sol Feace and the blood code of Mortal Kombat. Oh well, I remember the code being in the instruction manual as well. As for kiddie image, I could care less. Conker was kiddie looking as hell, but we all know better. My opinion is, just because it looks kiddie, doesn't really mean it is. For example... Zelda Wind Waker. I would like to see some little kid casual gamer beat this game or even understand the theme. I say it's the content, not just the graphics, that make a game kiddie or adult orientated.[/quote]

The code was ABACABB
 
[quote name='dallow']And yes, Zelda is a family game.
It would be rated PG if it were in movies.[/quote]

So, the "family" value of a product is defined by its rating? Interesting, since Computer Music Journal doesn't contain any nudity or profanity, though I can not seem to interest my whole family in it, though I enjoy it thoroughly. Dostoevsky's Notes from The Underground also is free of offensive material, though again, I would not recommend this marvelous piece of literature to anyone who is unfamiliar with Russian culture.

I can think of multiple documentaries with a G rating that would not interest children, some that would not interest adults, and some that would not interest anyone with the exception of a certain niche of people who enjoy this experience.

Here's an idea: absense of "offensive" content does not imply universal acceptance. Anyone stupid enough to argue otherwise is a tool.

I win yet again.
 
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[quote name='MarioColbert']So, the "family" value of a product is defined by its rating? Interesting, since Computer Music Journal doesn't contain any nudity or profanity, though I can not seem to interest my whole family in it, though I enjoy it thoroughly. Dostoevsky's Notes from The Underground also is free of offensive material, though again, I would not recommend this marvelous piece of literature to anyone who is unfamiliar with Russian culture.

I can think of multiple documentaries with a G rating that would not interest children, some that would not interest adults, and some that would not interest anyone with the exception of a certain niche of people who enjoy this experience.

Here's an idea: absense of "offensive" content does not imply universal acceptance. Anyone stupid enough to argue otherwise is a tool.

I win yet again.[/quote]

Zelda is hardly Notes From Underground (you incorrectly put THE in the title like lessor translators).

I never said it would interest everyone, it would just be generally safe.
And yes, that's how ratings work for the GENERAL public.

PS.
Since when do you have to to have an understanding of Russian culture to understand Notes From Underground?
Everyone should read that.
 
I hate the whole "Nintnedo games are for kids" crap.

I'm an adult. Twenty-six years old. If I want to do adult things, I'll go to an R rated movie, get drunk, have lots of sex, etc.

I like Nintendo games because they make me feel like a little kid again.

Nintendo is the Disneyland of video games. It brings out the child within you. If you can't deal, buy and 360 or a PS3. Lots of stuff for stuffy adults there.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']So, the "family" value of a product is defined by its rating? Interesting, since Computer Music Journal doesn't contain any nudity or profanity, though I can not seem to interest my whole family in it, though I enjoy it thoroughly. Dostoevsky's Notes from The Underground also is free of offensive material, though again, I would not recommend this marvelous piece of literature to anyone who is unfamiliar with Russian culture.

I can think of multiple documentaries with a G rating that would not interest children, some that would not interest adults, and some that would not interest anyone with the exception of a certain niche of people who enjoy this experience.

Here's an idea: absense of "offensive" content does not imply universal acceptance. Anyone stupid enough to argue otherwise is a tool.

I win yet again.[/QUOTE]

Except you don't.

"Family friendly", as people are using it, simply means that a) there are no materially objectionable to the average parent to show their children, and b) the subject matter presented is sufficiently simple that children can understand and enjoy the game. It doesn't mean that the game is childish, per se, just easy to understand. Thus, your Dostoevsky example fails because, even though there is nothing objectionable in it, there are sufficiently complex themes that children would not be able to follow and enjoy the material. The important thing to realize is that "family friendly" does NOT mean bad or "kiddie", it just means that the material can be enjoyable to a wide range of ages and is palatable for parents to show their children.
 
I wanted to write big rants in this thread, but I don't think I can jam a long post in here since most of the free room is being taken up by MarioColbert's balls.

I mean I have to comply with fire regulations, you know. Don't block the fire exits and whatnot.
 
[quote name='MarioColbert']Here's an idea: absense of "offensive" content does not imply universal acceptance. Anyone stupid enough to argue otherwise is a tool.

I win yet again.[/quote]
Sure you do.

If "family friendly" was equivalent to "universally accepted", that is.

But since when does "family friendly" mean "your whole family will like it"? As far as I'm concerned, the expression denotes something which *could* be enjoyed by both adults and children. Are Mario games "family friendly". Yes. Does that mean everyone in your family wants to play them? Probably not.

By your definition, absolutely nothing is "family friendly".

[quote name='Strell']I wanted to write big rants in this thread, but I don't think I can jam a long post in here since most of the free room is being taken up by MarioColbert's balls.

I mean I have to comply with fire regulations, you know. Don't block the fire exits and whatnot.[/quote]
As per usual, Strell... Bravo.:applause::applause::applause:
 
Yeah, I would call Computer Music Journal something that is "family friendly", however, unlike Zelda, I would also say it's boring.
Just listen to some Eno man. Haha.

I would not however say Notes From Underground is family friendly because of some of the darker, and more disturbing themes present.

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I think most mature rated games are actually quite immature in their nature. Grand Theft Auto for example. It's appeal to adults is the same as it's appeal to kids: killing innocent people in a varity of ways.

I work at a Gamestop, and I'm never freaked out by people who buy Nintendo games, but 75% of the people who buy games like The Guy Game and Grand Theft Auto are... well... freaky.
 
'member when we used to lik... play games instead of argue? This thread got sinister pretty quick.

I'm gonna go play Rogue Galaxy kthx gais.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']'member when we used to lik... play games instead of argue? This thread got sinister pretty quick.

I'm gonna go play Rogue Galaxy kthx gais.[/QUOTE]
I'm playing that too...except I'm getting killed at the factory a lot.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I'm playing that too...except I'm getting killed at the factory a lot.[/QUOTE]

Aw man, you're in the factory too? I'm not having too much trouble with that area... pretty close to finished with that dungeon I think. It's a fantastic game though.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Aw man, you're in the factory too? I'm not having too much trouble with that area... pretty close to finished with that dungeon I think. It's a fantastic game though.[/QUOTE]
It took me forever to kill those 3 robots you have to fight. Like 5 seconds after the battle started my teammates would be dead.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Aw man, you're in the factory too? I'm not having too much trouble with that area... pretty close to finished with that dungeon I think. It's a fantastic game though.[/quote]Yeah, that one is killing me too right now. Need more healing potions. I'm also making it harder on myself by trying to max out Steve's weapons before upgrading to the newer stuff I've picked up even though their attack power is like double. :D

[quote name='dallow']Don't you turn CAG into NeoGAF![/quote]
True, it is a fun place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.
 
The fusing system is really satisfying... took that metal braker, combined with with the Murakumo Type 0 or whatever it was called, and now my weapon's power is like 157. But yeah, you do need a hell of a lot of potions for that area. Thankfully, the enemies give you copious money.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']The fusing system is really satisfying... took that metal braker, combined with with the Murakumo Type 0 or whatever it was called, and now my weapon's power is like 157. But yeah, you do need a hell of a lot of potions for that area. Thankfully, the enemies give you copious money.[/QUOTE]
What level are you characters at? Because I get the feeling that I'm underleveled.
 
Is it too late for me to *run through thread naked*? Because it feels like it's too late for me to *run through thread naked*. :(

Edit: Apparently it's not too late:

[quote name='jollydwarf']Boy, this thread blew right up...right sbout the time kids are getting home from school. Coincidence?[/QUOTE]

*runs through thread naked*
 
[quote name='whoknows']What level are you characters at? Because I get the feeling that I'm underleveled.[/QUOTE]

Hmm... well I did some 'splorin on my own so I might be a bit above where I need to be, but Jaster is level 25 and everyone else is a bit below that. I'm really hoping this is a 30+ hour epic for me since I typically play through RPGs quickly. I'm maybe 8 hours in right now.

Also, to get back on topic, I need to pick up Super Paper Mario sometime soon. I know I complain about the Wii's controls and games, but there's definitely stuff I like about the system and I've wanted to play SPM for a while now. Of course, there's never going to be any deals on this game, so I guess I might have to pick that up after this shit I have on Ebay ends in a few hours. Speaking of which, check my Ebay stuff, people. Anyway, that should be fun.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Boy, this thread blew right up...right sbout the time kids are getting home from school. Coincidence?[/QUOTE]

Naw, I was gone because I took my dad's Cayenne to the car wash. What a nice car.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Boy, this thread blew right up...right sbout the time kids are getting home from school. Coincidence?[/QUOTE]

Well being that I have two friends who are teachers, both of whom are now on summer vacation, and that I imagine the average age of poster in this particular thread to be (most likely) in college, which is also out for summer...

Two swings and two misses by a longshots. Which are also known as mypenislengthshots.
 
[quote name='jkam']http://gonintendo.com/?p=18733



I'm really getting tired of this whole Nintendo platforms are for families and kids. My favorite game of last generation was Resident Evil 4 for the Gamecube. Sales were low because the Gamecube didn't sell well. The Wii is doing a lot better so far and the system doesn't create the games, developers do. So if you keep making games like Dewey's Crap Shit Adventure that's all were going to get. I might buy 4 million copies of Manhunt 2 just because I'm tired of these statements. I'm just hoping that the Wii sells enough that some of these developers take their heads out of their asses.[/quote]

Regardless of who you are and what you want, you cannot sit here and tell me that the developer of Silent Hill would possibly know less than you about this subject.

Everything I say after that is moot, but if you'd like some reasoning:

I was forced into getting a N64 because it was the more family-friendly of the consoles. Now that the audience is even wider, I would logically assume that there is a smaller percentage of users that this would appeal to.

Any development on a new multiplatform game would have to be split in two ways because of the Wii's lack of hardware power. These types of games are better experienced when you are immersed into the world. Greater immersion is found on the other systems.

The Resident Evil timed exclusives were an oddity. I really don't think it would be in their best interest to make these games for this type of system if they like money.

Please. Go buy Manhunt 2 or (God help me) RE4: Wii edition. Show us that we're wrong.
 
Man, don't even worry about that stuff anymore. Resident Evil will be cool, but c'mon guys. Let's argue less and maybe spend that time playing the shit we do have. Or hollering at bitches.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Man, don't even worry about that stuff anymore. Resident Evil will be cool, but c'mon guys. Let's argue less and maybe spend that time playing the shit we do have. Or hollering at bitches.[/quote]Holla!

But yeah, I'll be getting away from arguing and getting to playing RG as soon as I can dash out of the office, and then Friday I will be cracking open Godfather to play my first Wii game on my new widescreen set. My first tech-whore purchase in years! We'll be so happy together.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8249843&st=lnt&type=product&id=1169512289365
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Man, don't even worry about that stuff anymore. Resident Evil will be cool, but c'mon guys. Let's argue less and maybe spend that time playing the shit we do have. Or hollering at bitches.[/QUOTE]


Yes, so someone answer my GTA question!
 
Ah, nice. New TV get. What model?

Anyway, Rogue Galaxy, I have the game turned on right now. Actually, I'm just leaving my characters in the Zerard town. Why? Because I love the song that plays there. I'm glad I put together this 5.1 system because it really transforms games with good soundtracks.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Ah, nice. New TV get. What model?

Anyway, Rogue Galaxy, I have the game turned on right now. Actually, I'm just leaving my characters in the Zerard town. Why? Because I love the song that plays there. I'm glad I put together this 5.1 system because it really transforms games with good soundtracks.[/quote]You beat me to the reply before my edit.
 
Where I'm at 'the kids' have at least another week of classes.

And that's a base hit and a foul tip by the way. I'm right that the thread recently "blew up" and the summer vacation situation may vary district by district, state by state. I wasn't explicity excluding the college crowd, either.

EDIT: And while I should expect the hostility and indignation from anyone with the name "Mario" in their username, MarioColbert, you quote me, start deconstructing my post, and then without warning or clarification start referencing other users. I'm the one with "Trevor" as the avatar, not the "cartoon tits" (see below). If necessary, take a couple deep breaths to differentiate your enemies.
 
Good choice. Samsung makes a really nice LCD. I know everyone thinks I'm an elitist prick when it comes to electronics and... that's probably true, but I absolutely cannot fault that Samsung model.
 
The connection between immersion and realism is tenuous, perhaps moreso than the connection between realism and fun. I dont know about you, but I've been "immersed" in 8 and 16 bit games enough to drool on myself.

And I'm sure you've all read books.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Where I'm at 'the kids' have at least another week of classes.

And that's a base hit and a foul tip by the way. I'm right that the thread recently "blew up" and the summer vacation situation may vary district by district, state by state. I wasn't explicity excluding the college crowd, either.[/QUOTE]

Where I'm at 'the jollydwarf' just got trolled and now looks like a shmuck for trying to play catch up. Catch up? Catsup!

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Winner: Strell.
 
I don't know why people care about realism. I really do think that what people want is immersion, but they mix the two up a lot. At least, I'm more interested in just getting completely lost in a good RPG than I am in playing something where I'm bound by things like... physics and "no-rape" laws.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Hmm... well I did some 'splorin on my own so I might be a bit above where I need to be, but Jaster is level 25 and everyone else is a bit below that. I'm really hoping this is a 30+ hour epic for me since I typically play through RPGs quickly. I'm maybe 8 hours in right now.QUOTE]
I'm at 21 so I guess I'm not too far behind.

Can't believe I put off getting this game at release. It's so so good.
 
[quote name='dallow']Yeah, I would call Computer Music Journal something that is "family friendly", however, unlike Zelda, I would also say it's boring.[/quote]

Since CMJ is by design aimed at Computer Scientists and Computer Music Theorists/Practitioners, it's by definition NOT a family-friendly publication. It's a Computer Music publication, and it claims to be so in the name.

Zelda is a video game, and it is meant to entertain. However, I would argue that it aims to entertain fans of the genre and fans of the franchise, and is not one of Nintendo's "titles for everyone" catalog. Family-Friendly entertainment as defined by Reggie Fils-Aime (and I should have been clearer as to that particular definition) implies titles that are intended for everyone's joy and are "universal" in design, with practical limitations of the term. By my "definition" Wii Sports is one of many family-oriented titles, which I believe takes care of that "nothing" accusation.

To emphasize my point, Computer Music Journal is more than likely to offend people with regard to their interpretation and definition of the word music. That is, if they thought about the actual content, and did not judge it by absense of profanity. Considering that you don't see it as a publication that caters to adults by design, I sincerely doubt your ability to judge video games, and whether or not they cater to kids or adults (and I don't mean just you, dallow, I pretty much reserve this one for most subscribers to "immature Wii games" doctrine). It seems that the only thing that makes things "adult" in your book is emphasis on a very particular brand of "offensive" content: violence, nudity, and profanity. By such a standard, you would draw some sort of a bullshit line between Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Heidegger's Being and Time, since it's up to "dallow" to figure out which concepts are "too dark" for Family values and which are "good enough." (Hint: Thanksgiving dinner is a FAMILY FRIENDLY event.)

I think what you're trying to say is that The Legend of Zelda is done with good taste and class, and doesn't deal with things that make GTA a scandalous title. And by that measure, Computer Music Journal is definitely a publication of class and taste as well, with quality control for the articles within that match the quality control of Zelda titles. Neither, however, is written and published for the sake of family-centered entertainment.

Oh, and before some more of you start munching on my nuts, the phrases "good taste" and "class" are loaded on purpose, which is why they are in italics above. Pointing that out will do nothing more of winning you "Dipshit Sherlock" award. And I'm sorry about the article THE in Notes from Underground. I've only read that in my native Russian tongue. Tak chto, blya, pinay otsyuda so svoyey huynyoi o tom chto Russkaya kultura tebe ne nuzhna chtobi Dostoevskogo ponyat'.
 
I'm a little disgusted that I bought it at release and didn't put any time into it before now. To me, this feels like what Dark Cloud should've been. None of the annoyances, a much deeper, more interesting combat system, a good storyline, excellent voice acting, great musical score, etc. I highly recommend this to anyone with a PS2.
 
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