http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/18/time-magazine-deems-ps3-a-bust/
Ouch is all I can say...I wonder if this will matter to the casual crowds at all?
Ouch is all I can say...I wonder if this will matter to the casual crowds at all?
TIME magazine deems PS3 a bust.
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[quote name='Roufuss']TIME magazine? The same magazine up Nintendo's ass 24 / 7? I'm not surprised at all.
Isn't a little early to deem it a bust anyways? IT JUST LAUNCHED.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know they were so pro Nintendo, I havn't read it since we stopped getting it 2 years ago.
And you're right on the too early thing...seems like they are just jumping on the PS3 bash wagon.
Isn't a little early to deem it a bust anyways? IT JUST LAUNCHED.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know they were so pro Nintendo, I havn't read it since we stopped getting it 2 years ago.
And you're right on the too early thing...seems like they are just jumping on the PS3 bash wagon.
[quote name='seanr1221']I didn't know they were so pro Nintendo, I havn't read it since we stopped getting it 2 years ago.
And you're right on the too early thing...seems like they are just jumping on the PS3 bash wagon.[/QUOTE]
I know they have done big articles saying how great the DS and Wii are... I just remember articles before highlighting and praising Nintendo.
They seem to avoid Microsoft.
TIME magazine has gone downhill lately, though.
And you're right on the too early thing...seems like they are just jumping on the PS3 bash wagon.[/QUOTE]
I know they have done big articles saying how great the DS and Wii are... I just remember articles before highlighting and praising Nintendo.
They seem to avoid Microsoft.
TIME magazine has gone downhill lately, though.
Can't disagree with the article. The PS3 fell short of the public's expectations. For what it's worth though, the public's expectations were way too high for a system at launch. Still, Sony's masterful PR job might be to blame for that more then anything really.
[quote name='Roufuss']Huh? They were mostly just ports of 360 titles, but they were FAR from lame. PS3 had a pretty decent launch lineup imo if you didn't own a 360.[/QUOTE]
...Or you can buy a 360 for $300-$400 (Before any deals which are going on right now) and enjoy all those 360 games instead of spending $500-$600-ebay prices for a PS3 that has 'potential' to have decent games.
...Or you can buy a 360 for $300-$400 (Before any deals which are going on right now) and enjoy all those 360 games instead of spending $500-$600-ebay prices for a PS3 that has 'potential' to have decent games.
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[quote name='whoknows']Well, if Time said it then it MUST be true. They are, afterall the final word of video games. Guess I'd better go sell mine while I can 
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Problem with that statement is that technically everyone can have a different argument as to who the final word in videogames is. The real thing everyone has to take notice with on this situation is the fact that a majorly mainstream is giving some very negative feedback to a console and market perception is 75% of the battle.
If this kind of negative publicity continues, the PS3 may just be dead in the water. Magazines like Time, People, US Weekly, are the ones who pushed the Wii into level of frenzy it's currently experiencing. IGN didn't do that. Gamespot didn't do that. I mean if a game like Okami had exposure in Time, I'm sure Clover Studios would have had a better shot at still being around.
Don't just dismiss it because it doesn't appeal to the hardcore gamer.
[/quote] Problem with that statement is that technically everyone can have a different argument as to who the final word in videogames is. The real thing everyone has to take notice with on this situation is the fact that a majorly mainstream is giving some very negative feedback to a console and market perception is 75% of the battle.
If this kind of negative publicity continues, the PS3 may just be dead in the water. Magazines like Time, People, US Weekly, are the ones who pushed the Wii into level of frenzy it's currently experiencing. IGN didn't do that. Gamespot didn't do that. I mean if a game like Okami had exposure in Time, I'm sure Clover Studios would have had a better shot at still being around.
Don't just dismiss it because it doesn't appeal to the hardcore gamer.
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That article was written by the same idiot who bashed PS3 before release. That guy should be fired.
[quote name='Roufuss']I know they have done big articles saying how great the DS and Wii are... I just remember articles before highlighting and praising Nintendo.
They seem to avoid Microsoft.
TIME magazine has gone downhill lately, though.[/quote]
May 23, 2005 Vol. 165 No. 21
Xbox 360 was the cover story
They seem to avoid Microsoft.
TIME magazine has gone downhill lately, though.[/quote]
May 23, 2005 Vol. 165 No. 21
Xbox 360 was the cover story
[quote name='maddfrog']May 23, 2005 Vol. 165 No. 21
Xbox 360 was the cover story[/QUOTE]
Surprising... just wish I could read it.
Xbox 360 was the cover story[/QUOTE]
Surprising... just wish I could read it.
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I always consider Time magazine the first source for video game information.
TBW
TBW
They aren't the only ones.
EGM said unanimously Wii is better then PS3.
[quote name='EGM']And the overall winner is...Wii!
In a landlide upset, the oddball Nintendo Wii sweeps EGM's voting to conquer Sony's pricey high-end PS3. It wasn't a one-game race, though. Sure, Zelda's brillance was a factor, but Resistance didn't fare too badly, either. And if you look at the overall launch lineups, the average review score for both systems' offerings hovered around a slightly above-average 6.0. Put simply, Wii just has the edge in terms of delivering uniquely fun gameplay, whereas, so far, the PS3 hasn't done much to differentiate itself from or improve upon the Xbox 360.
Does our recommendation ultimately carry any weight? We're no Miss Cleo, but our previous attempt at predicting the future was a success. Back in EGM #149, our editors were also forced to choose between two shiny new consoles--Nintendo's GameCube and Microsoft's Xbox. The Xbox won out (in a very close race) and went on to outsell the 'Cube. Perhaps history will repeat itself again...[/QUOTE]
EGM said unanimously Wii is better then PS3.
[quote name='EGM']And the overall winner is...Wii!
In a landlide upset, the oddball Nintendo Wii sweeps EGM's voting to conquer Sony's pricey high-end PS3. It wasn't a one-game race, though. Sure, Zelda's brillance was a factor, but Resistance didn't fare too badly, either. And if you look at the overall launch lineups, the average review score for both systems' offerings hovered around a slightly above-average 6.0. Put simply, Wii just has the edge in terms of delivering uniquely fun gameplay, whereas, so far, the PS3 hasn't done much to differentiate itself from or improve upon the Xbox 360.
Does our recommendation ultimately carry any weight? We're no Miss Cleo, but our previous attempt at predicting the future was a success. Back in EGM #149, our editors were also forced to choose between two shiny new consoles--Nintendo's GameCube and Microsoft's Xbox. The Xbox won out (in a very close race) and went on to outsell the 'Cube. Perhaps history will repeat itself again...[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Sporadic']They aren't the only ones.
EGM said unanimously Wii is better then PS3.[/QUOTE]
But...its EGM. Who listens to them!
"Fine, The Official Xbox Magaine said Wii is better then PS3"
But...Its Xbox. They hate Sony.
"Ok...President Bush said the Wii is better then PS3. He loves Tennis"
Ok...its the President. He like, says words funny
"Ok...Jesus said Wii is better"
But I'm an athiest. That does not mean anything to me
"Ok, you're mom said Wii is better then PS3"
Whatever.
So what answer WOULD PS3 fanboys like to hear? What source would you trust? The Official Playstation Magazine?
EGM said unanimously Wii is better then PS3.[/QUOTE]
But...its EGM. Who listens to them!
"Fine, The Official Xbox Magaine said Wii is better then PS3"
But...Its Xbox. They hate Sony.
"Ok...President Bush said the Wii is better then PS3. He loves Tennis"
Ok...its the President. He like, says words funny
"Ok...Jesus said Wii is better"
But I'm an athiest. That does not mean anything to me
"Ok, you're mom said Wii is better then PS3"
Whatever.
So what answer WOULD PS3 fanboys like to hear? What source would you trust? The Official Playstation Magazine?
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Just calling it like it is. The real truth is that other that resistance, there is ZERO reason to own a PS3. 360 does it all cheaper, and better. Wii does it more different and more fun (and at less than half the price)
People buying the PS3 right now are people who have been persuaded by Sony's PR machine that there are good things coming. Either that or they're just plain too stupid to judge the machine on its own merits, not on the damn brand name.
Unfortunately, that Playstation name will carry Sony through at least one more generation without having to try. Never underestimate the power of stupidity's ability to carry an inferior product.
People buying the PS3 right now are people who have been persuaded by Sony's PR machine that there are good things coming. Either that or they're just plain too stupid to judge the machine on its own merits, not on the damn brand name.
Unfortunately, that Playstation name will carry Sony through at least one more generation without having to try. Never underestimate the power of stupidity's ability to carry an inferior product.
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[quote name='Roufuss']TIME magazine? The same magazine up Nintendo's ass 24 / 7? I'm not surprised at all.
Isn't a little early to deem it a bust anyways? IT JUST LAUNCHED.[/quote]
Yes and the launch was a spectacular failure.
Isn't a little early to deem it a bust anyways? IT JUST LAUNCHED.[/quote]
Yes and the launch was a spectacular failure.
[quote name='jkam']It's just a wash this year...there simply weren't enough units. We all knew this months ago. The true race is in 2007.[/QUOTE]
Seriously.
Saying a console has failed after being out for only a month is just ignorant. Every console needs time to start showing what it has to offer.
Seriously.
Saying a console has failed after being out for only a month is just ignorant. Every console needs time to start showing what it has to offer.
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Oh noes! Launches are totally indicative of how a system fares in the long run. Just look at the DS and PSP...
But seriously, these
ing articles are just fodder for fanboys, regardless of which faction to which they align themselves.
But seriously, these
ing articles are just fodder for fanboys, regardless of which faction to which they align themselves.
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meh who cares.
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[quote name='integralsmatic']meh who cares.[/QUOTE]
yeah seriously, I already know I'm going to get a PS3 at some point in the future and NOT a Wii
yeah seriously, I already know I'm going to get a PS3 at some point in the future and NOT a Wii
[quote name='jkam']It's just a wash this year...there simply weren't enough units. We all knew this months ago. The true race is in 2007.[/QUOTE]
The race does not start until Sony says so. When they have units on the shelf, they will announce that the console war has begun. Until then, even if Wii sells 15 million units, it won't count until Sony says so.
The race does not start until Sony says so. When they have units on the shelf, they will announce that the console war has begun. Until then, even if Wii sells 15 million units, it won't count until Sony says so.
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TIME magazine deems PS3 a bust.
"No! No! No! No! No! No! NOOOOOOO!!!"
"No! No! No! No! No! No! NOOOOOOO!!!"
[quote name='Time Magazine Online (editors, Lev Grossman and Linda Luscombe)']
TO PLAY'S THE THING
The big story in computer games this year was HOW TO BLOW A HUGE LEAD, by Sony. Its PlayStation 2 was the champ in the last round of the console wars. This time Sony bet on a chip called the Cell and a disc format called Blu-ray. They're probably awesome, but how would anybody know? The PS3 is hideously expensive--it goes for up to $600--and Sony manufactured only a piddling few hundred thousand for the U.S., fewer for Japan. Plus it's hard to write games for; the launch titles were lame. You know you're in trouble when you get beat by something called a Wii.
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I really can't argue much with this, no matter how smarmy it sounds.
TO PLAY'S THE THING
The big story in computer games this year was HOW TO BLOW A HUGE LEAD, by Sony. Its PlayStation 2 was the champ in the last round of the console wars. This time Sony bet on a chip called the Cell and a disc format called Blu-ray. They're probably awesome, but how would anybody know? The PS3 is hideously expensive--it goes for up to $600--and Sony manufactured only a piddling few hundred thousand for the U.S., fewer for Japan. Plus it's hard to write games for; the launch titles were lame. You know you're in trouble when you get beat by something called a Wii.
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I really can't argue much with this, no matter how smarmy it sounds.
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TIME represents the mainstream.
And the mainstream is by nature shallow and fickle. Believe me, I'm not buying a PS3 anytime soon, and I'm pretty much a light year away from rooting for Sony at this point, but I think a lot of this negativity will organically be forgotten by this time next year. I also think that a lot of these 'pundits' and the people that assign more than a smattering of credit to them will go from "Wow!" to "Whatever" concerning the Wii in that same duration. That's not fair or rational, but that's the mainstream for you.
P.S. It's taken these guys a good six months longer than it took us to figure out that it's cool to bag on Sony, so therefore as of this moment, it officially isn't cool anymore. The new hotness is captioning the eBayers' auction photos, as seen on this monitor!
And the mainstream is by nature shallow and fickle. Believe me, I'm not buying a PS3 anytime soon, and I'm pretty much a light year away from rooting for Sony at this point, but I think a lot of this negativity will organically be forgotten by this time next year. I also think that a lot of these 'pundits' and the people that assign more than a smattering of credit to them will go from "Wow!" to "Whatever" concerning the Wii in that same duration. That's not fair or rational, but that's the mainstream for you.
P.S. It's taken these guys a good six months longer than it took us to figure out that it's cool to bag on Sony, so therefore as of this moment, it officially isn't cool anymore. The new hotness is captioning the eBayers' auction photos, as seen on this monitor!
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[quote name='jollydwarf']TIME represents the mainstream.
And the mainstream is by nature shallow and fickle. Believe me, I'm not buying a PS3 anytime soon, and I'm pretty much a light year away from rooting for Sony at this point, but I think a lot of this negativity will organically be forgotten by this time next year. I also think that a lot of these 'pundits' and the people that assign more than a smattering of credit to them will go from "Wow!" to "Whatever" concerning the Wii in that same duration. That's not fair or rational, but that's the mainstream for you.
P.S. It's taken these guys a good six months longer than it took us to figure out that it's cool to bag on Sony, so therefore as of this moment, it officially isn't cool anymore. The new hotness is captioning the eBayers' auction photos, as seen on this monitor![/QUOTE]
Yes, the mainstream is shallow, but it is also powerful. If the 360 and the Wii maintain their lead for maybe half a year or so this thing will snowball and the PS3 won't recover.
And the mainstream is by nature shallow and fickle. Believe me, I'm not buying a PS3 anytime soon, and I'm pretty much a light year away from rooting for Sony at this point, but I think a lot of this negativity will organically be forgotten by this time next year. I also think that a lot of these 'pundits' and the people that assign more than a smattering of credit to them will go from "Wow!" to "Whatever" concerning the Wii in that same duration. That's not fair or rational, but that's the mainstream for you.
P.S. It's taken these guys a good six months longer than it took us to figure out that it's cool to bag on Sony, so therefore as of this moment, it officially isn't cool anymore. The new hotness is captioning the eBayers' auction photos, as seen on this monitor![/QUOTE]
Yes, the mainstream is shallow, but it is also powerful. If the 360 and the Wii maintain their lead for maybe half a year or so this thing will snowball and the PS3 won't recover.
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The only thing I'm truly confident of is that this is going to ultimately be the murkiest console race yet. Everyone's going to have their own criteria for why Console A, B, or C is the 'winner'. Personally, I just want them all to reach a healthy equilibrium, which means Sony coming back to the pack, Nintendo reclaiming most of its former console glory, and Microsoft gaining enough market share to fight Sony to a draw and therefore be here to stay.
I'd also like to think microtransactions will find their level in the next four or five years, but let's not get carried away here.
I'd also like to think microtransactions will find their level in the next four or five years, but let's not get carried away here.
[quote name='Roufuss']I know they have done big articles saying how great the DS and Wii are... I just remember articles before highlighting and praising Nintendo.
They seem to avoid Microsoft.
TIME magazine has gone downhill lately, though.[/QUOTE]
You being negative about Time mag, and how they like Nintendo more. First thing that should have came to your mind was that it Time mag, where do they get off saying what is what in gaming.
I have no problem with the PS3. I don't like the fake people behind it and the $600 price tag.
By fake I mean the people at Sony saying all of the ideas they stole are original and been in development since 96
They seem to avoid Microsoft.
TIME magazine has gone downhill lately, though.[/QUOTE]
You being negative about Time mag, and how they like Nintendo more. First thing that should have came to your mind was that it Time mag, where do they get off saying what is what in gaming.
I have no problem with the PS3. I don't like the fake people behind it and the $600 price tag.
By fake I mean the people at Sony saying all of the ideas they stole are original and been in development since 96
I was on the other side of this thread when the Gamecube launched and all the Nintendo fans insisted for years that Nintendo wasn't falling behind. I like Nintendo better as a company and would welcome a return to their dominance. From reading this thread, I feel like I'm finally on the "winning side" of a console war (whether Nintendo insists they're staying out of the fight or not).
I was in Gamestop the other day and asked if they had a Wii. "No, but we've had a PS3 here all day and nobody has bought it yet". That's pretty much indicative of what I'm hearing from various retailers. Ever since an interesting conversation I had with a guy at Wal Mart shortly after both systems launched I've made it a point to ask the retailers at Best Buy, Wal Mart, GS, EB, etc what the vibe is that they're getting for each console. Every single one of them, over the last month, has said the exact same thing: "Everybody who calls up here is looking for Wii. So far we haven't had nearly as much interest in PS3".
That's not to say PS3 is going to fail, etc. But I think there is validity to the statement that Sony has stumbled out of the gates here.
I was in Gamestop the other day and asked if they had a Wii. "No, but we've had a PS3 here all day and nobody has bought it yet". That's pretty much indicative of what I'm hearing from various retailers. Ever since an interesting conversation I had with a guy at Wal Mart shortly after both systems launched I've made it a point to ask the retailers at Best Buy, Wal Mart, GS, EB, etc what the vibe is that they're getting for each console. Every single one of them, over the last month, has said the exact same thing: "Everybody who calls up here is looking for Wii. So far we haven't had nearly as much interest in PS3".
That's not to say PS3 is going to fail, etc. But I think there is validity to the statement that Sony has stumbled out of the gates here.
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I don't understand how Sony fans can sit here and say that seriously ing up a christmas launch doesn't mean anything. Do you realize how many potential sales they LOST this christmas? Do you realize what kind of a headstart Nintendo and Microsoft have? Do you realize that most people don't care about the PS3?
Nobody I've talked to has any idea what games are out for it. Everyone just says "it looks really good" and there's no way that "it looks really good" is going to translate to "here's $600, i'll take it" that just doesn't happen for the average person, who isn't an early adopter who needs everything first. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the PS3 isn't a machine for games, the average person is buying it for a status symbol, to resell, or because of the name.
ing up a christmas launch doesn't mean anything. Do you realize how many potential sales they LOST this christmas? Do you realize what kind of a headstart Nintendo and Microsoft have? Do you realize that most people don't care about the PS3? Nobody I've talked to has any idea what games are out for it. Everyone just says "it looks really good" and there's no way that "it looks really good" is going to translate to "here's $600, i'll take it" that just doesn't happen for the average person, who isn't an early adopter who needs everything first. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the PS3 isn't a machine for games, the average person is buying it for a status symbol, to resell, or because of the name.
Isn't the PS3 launch very similar to the XBOX 360 launch? Last year 360s were in very short supply and selling for tons of $$ on ebay, and the launch lineup was just awful. Now we see the same thing for the PS3.
But now all of the sudden the 360 is great! I am looking forward to that happening next year for Sony. In the meantime, I'll be playing my current gen consoles (GCN, PS2, etc) on the cheap.
But now all of the sudden the 360 is great! I am looking forward to that happening next year for Sony. In the meantime, I'll be playing my current gen consoles (GCN, PS2, etc) on the cheap.
when it comes to magazines and new services in general take what they say with a bucket of salt. most of these magazines and news shows are just jumping on the gaming bandwagon since its now this kind of hip cool fashionable thing to play videogames. its the curse of pop culture getting behind something and its what nintendo is banking on.
so yeah most articles you see done on gaming as well as news shows will have flaws and be biased and misinformed about the prodcuts they wrte about. hell a few weekends ago i was listening to the wallstreet journal news show and they had a guy on talking about the console wars and the idiot said the ps3 was sonys first forray into online gaming lmao.
that being said i think sony will take a hit this console war depending on how great their first price drop will be and when it will be. their systems are selling but if all the stories of games no longer being exclusive to their system and the price for their consoles in general they will be playing to a limited audience as many sony fans past and present havent seen any real reason for getting a ps3. but all the 3 system makers will take a hit in general as this has been the most dissappointing system launch ever.
i take the view of the lesser of 3 evils because no one system really blows the other out of the water. they have their strengths but their flaws and faults overshadow them to a degree thats hard to ignore. as of now if microsoft would quit screwing people over with microtransactions they could come out on top this round . if i see more of sonys exclusives head over to that system that along with easy online play and their controllers still rumbling will bring me in. but they need more of sonys games first. and a system rebuild and relaunch because i dont trust their systems stability right now.
so yeah most articles you see done on gaming as well as news shows will have flaws and be biased and misinformed about the prodcuts they wrte about. hell a few weekends ago i was listening to the wallstreet journal news show and they had a guy on talking about the console wars and the idiot said the ps3 was sonys first forray into online gaming lmao.
that being said i think sony will take a hit this console war depending on how great their first price drop will be and when it will be. their systems are selling but if all the stories of games no longer being exclusive to their system and the price for their consoles in general they will be playing to a limited audience as many sony fans past and present havent seen any real reason for getting a ps3. but all the 3 system makers will take a hit in general as this has been the most dissappointing system launch ever.
i take the view of the lesser of 3 evils because no one system really blows the other out of the water. they have their strengths but their flaws and faults overshadow them to a degree thats hard to ignore. as of now if microsoft would quit screwing people over with microtransactions they could come out on top this round . if i see more of sonys exclusives head over to that system that along with easy online play and their controllers still rumbling will bring me in. but they need more of sonys games first. and a system rebuild and relaunch because i dont trust their systems stability right now.
I just want to see if Nintendo can keep up this trendy image. I remember last generation how much they got ragged on in the begining (oh it looks like a purple purse, etc etc.)
I have a ton of girls at school waiting to play with my Wii when I get back from break
lol the same girls who groan at the thought of sitting there while I play another round of Gears.
I really think Nintendo went in the right direction with this thing...but only time will tell.
As for Sony, as I've said before, I just want to see them level off with Microsoft. Competition is the best. Someone here once said they would love it if Sony and Microsoft were like McDonalds and Burger King as far as competition...I couldn't agree more with this. Competiton is what helps push out the best games.
I have a ton of girls at school waiting to play with my Wii when I get back from break
lol the same girls who groan at the thought of sitting there while I play another round of Gears.I really think Nintendo went in the right direction with this thing...but only time will tell.
As for Sony, as I've said before, I just want to see them level off with Microsoft. Competition is the best. Someone here once said they would love it if Sony and Microsoft were like McDonalds and Burger King as far as competition...I couldn't agree more with this. Competiton is what helps push out the best games.
Folks are so short sighted. The PS3 is a nice machine and by the end of next year will have a very robust software lineup. And the $500 model is $100 more than the 360 and isn't gimped. That $100 buys you more power and Blu Ray among other things. It looks nicer too.
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