TIME magazine deems PS3 a bust.

[quote name='furyk']Nah, Time doesn't represent the mainstream. The mainstream is illiterate.[/quote]

You got me. No sarcasm intended. Even thought you didn't quote me, I made the same argument in other posts.

Going back to my time in Michigan, I remember just how few people actually read anything. But in my opinion, I would say it still helps word of mouth
 
[quote name='Backlash']Isn't the PS3 launch very similar to the XBOX 360 launch? Last year 360s were in very short supply and selling for tons of $$ on ebay, and the launch lineup was just awful. Now we see the same thing for the PS3. [/quote]Except, well... the PS3 isn't exactly tearing it up on eBay. It's a bad sign when eBay scalpers are actually losing money on a system that's just finally reached 1 month old -- especially since it's in such short supply.
 
God people in this topic are really not freaking thinking at all. No this does not automatically mean doom for the PS3 but it is true that this as well as many other things are pointing to bad omens for Sony. As the last poster said people on ebay are often loosing money on their systems. Yes this thing sold out, but it hardly even had a release. It sold out to ebays who now are finding no body wants the damn thing.

Sony will probally end up on top this generation, but they now have a fight on their hands that they shouldnt have had. It takes amazing stupidity and greed to go from owning the world to having your handheld being used as a doorstop and having people who were formely not even competition become a serious threat.
 
[quote name='trip1eX']Folks are so short sighted. The PS3 is a nice machine and by the end of next year will have a very robust software lineup. And the $500 model is $100 more than the 360 and isn't gimped. That $100 buys you more power and Blu Ray among other things. It looks nicer too.[/QUOTE]


It buys you power! POWER!

And looks nicer.

Sure is worth $600!

Too bad all of the multiplatform games look better and run smoother on 360.

Why in the world would you believe this!?! I'm looking for the long term, next year, this time, it'll be a great system. Well then why don't you buy it this time, next year? The other two systems (and DS, even PS2 is still going strong and PSP is starting to take off) are Fantastic NOW, so why even worry about the PS3? This makes no sense to me, please explain waiting in line for hours and spending a premium price to get something that has the "promise" of being good in a year?

I got 360 at launch because I wanted Call of Duty 2, Quake 4, and Geometry Wars. I got a Wii because I wanted Zelda, Trauma Center, and all the Virtual Console Goodness. There is absolutely nothing people are mentioning needing to have at the PS3 launch.. except POWER! and NICE LOOKINGNESS!

Morons.
 
[quote name='jer7583']It buys you power! POWER!

And looks nicer.

Sure is worth $600!

Too bad all of the multiplatform games look better and run smoother on 360.

Why in the world would you believe this!?! I'm looking for the long term, next year, this time, it'll be a great system. Well then why don't you buy it this time, next year? The other two systems (and DS, even PS2 is still going strong and PSP is starting to take off) are Fantastic NOW, so why even worry about the PS3? This makes no sense to me, please explain waiting in line for hours and spending a premium price to get something that has the "promise" of being good in a year?

I got 360 at launch because I wanted Call of Duty 2, Quake 4, and Geometry Wars. I got a Wii because I wanted Zelda, Trauma Center, and all the Virtual Console Goodness. There is absolutely nothing people are mentioning needing to have at the PS3 launch.. except POWER! and NICE LOOKINGNESS!

Morons.[/QUOTE]

Compltly agree. And it might not take off at all. I mean the chances are still atleast 60% that the PS3 remains market leader....but as I said before its now going to be a fight and there is atleast a chance it doesnt happan. Not to mention that the whole buy it in a year thing is also stupid from the sense of games like MGS and RE are now going to Xbox 360 as well...so its looking like it might take a full 2 years for PS3 to hit stride. By then there will have been a price drop.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']...seems like they are just jumping on the PS3 bash wagon.[/quote]

You're catching a ride on the wrong wagon. You take a ticket, or you get run over. Best to ride up 1st Class in the 360 Wagon. Know what I mean?


[quote name='MSI Magus']...so its looking like it might take a full 2 years for PS3 to hit stride. By then there will have been a price drop.[/quote]

On the business side where it really does matter, your shareholders, investors, and consumers will not, should not, and cannot wait two years for it to "shine". Your competitors will eat you alive when you:

a) set a high-price for your product
b) ship and produce in low quantities (because it's also expensive for you to make the item)
c) boast and underestimate your opponents

(i.e. "The next gen begins when we say so"
"We can sell a few million PS3 without even releasing games"
"Regarding Nintendo and Microsoft; We don't care")

Serves them right to get taken down by a console that "they don't care about"
 
[quote name='nintendokid']You're catching a ride on the wrong wagon. You take a ticket, or you get run over. Best to ride up 1st Class in the 360 Wagon. Know what I mean?[/QUOTE]
..wtf?
 
The problem with Sony is that they didn't learn anything from the PS2 launch, whereas M$ and Nintendo learned from their launch issues. M$ made it to the market first, and certainly is the most complete platform out on the market right now. Nintendo ran a different route and I barely consider them competing in the same market as M$ and Sony. The Wii is such a different platform from the other 2 that I think it's in a category of it's own.

Sony thought they could make a launch based upon hardware alone, just like they did with the PS2. Except this time they have competition. If you're going to base your launch on the strength of your hardware, you damn well make sure you have enough to meet demand. Anyone paying attention to the game lineup knew that the PS3 launch was going to be lackluster at best. Resistance is the only decent game. Can you guys remember a decent game from the PS2 launch? I sure can't. Ridge Racer, SSX, Fantavision? Sounds about as crappy as the PS3 launch.

To be honest, I don't think either Nintendo or Sony did that great. The Wii is neat, but I think the hardware was rushed, and could have been more powerful. The only killer game at launch was Zelda, but personally, I was more than content to wait for the GCN version, and I don't really feel like I'm missing out on the Wii control scheme. Nintendo did better than Sony at launch, but who knows what will be the situation a few years from now. I think Nintendo has to be working on another console, because I think the Wii will still have the shortest life span out of all 3 consoles.
 
[quote name='chosen1s']I was on the other side of this thread when the Gamecube launched and all the Nintendo fans insisted for years that Nintendo wasn't falling behind. I like Nintendo better as a company and would welcome a return to their dominance. From reading this thread, I feel like I'm finally on the "winning side" of a console war (whether Nintendo insists they're staying out of the fight or not).

I was in Gamestop the other day and asked if they had a Wii. "No, but we've had a PS3 here all day and nobody has bought it yet". That's pretty much indicative of what I'm hearing from various retailers. Ever since an interesting conversation I had with a guy at Wal Mart shortly after both systems launched I've made it a point to ask the retailers at Best Buy, Wal Mart, GS, EB, etc what the vibe is that they're getting for each console. Every single one of them, over the last month, has said the exact same thing: "Everybody who calls up here is looking for Wii. So far we haven't had nearly as much interest in PS3".

That's not to say PS3 is going to fail, etc. But I think there is validity to the statement that Sony has stumbled out of the gates here.[/quote]

Exact same thing here. People even camped for the 17 release of the Wiis. I can't freaking find one:bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb:
 
[quote name='trip1eX']Folks are so short sighted. The PS3 is a nice machine and by the end of next year will have a very robust software lineup. And the $500 model is $100 more than the 360 and isn't gimped. That $100 buys you more power and Blu Ray among other things. It looks nicer too.[/quote]

I don't care about Blu Ray. Screw it. I'd rather pick up an HD Player/Player add on for 360 some time next year. I'm in no rush and actually like having the choice of being able to purchase one as a consumer and not having it be forced on me. I mean look, you have the $40 off coupon now (which I can't find an HD player at CC) and I'm sure there will be countless deals next year. And yes the $500 version is gimped IMO. That $100 I could use to buy me some games/cheaper games on 360. I like my 360s white coat. I can't stand looking at the PS3 george foreman grill. At this point, the only "cool" and smart thing that Sony could do to push the PS3 is if they actually hired Foreman to start pushing the PS3. It would be a jab at themselves and show to the public that they can laugh at themselves and take a hit. It may even change public opinion of the company a bit. I mean, who doesn't love Foreman.
 
[quote name='BigBen']
Sony thought they could make a launch based upon hardware alone, just like they did with the PS2. Except this time they have competition. If you're going to base your launch on the strength of your hardware, you damn well make sure you have enough to meet demand. Anyone paying attention to the game lineup knew that the PS3 launch was going to be lackluster at best. Resistance is the only decent game. Can you guys remember a decent game from the PS2 launch? I sure can't. Ridge Racer, SSX, Fantavision? Sounds about as crappy as the PS3 launch.[/quote]

PS2 was sold for the fact that every 3rd party signed on with PS2 because they had no where else to go. In Japan, it was a kill 2 bird with 1 stone situation because it included a DVD player (believe it or not, the PS2 was what pushed the DVD media culture into Japanese homes). I can't believe they are still using the same strategy this time around when everyone knows that HDTVs and HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-Ray) has yet to catch on in the world. I guess crappy games and shoving a media format down your throat is what the PS is all about.
 
[quote name='BigBen']The problem with Sony is that they didn't learn anything from the PS2 launch, whereas M$ and Nintendo learned from their launch issues. M$ made it to the market first, and certainly is the most complete platform out on the market right now. Nintendo ran a different route and I barely consider them competing in the same market as M$ and Sony. The Wii is such a different platform from the other 2 that I think it's in a category of it's own.

Sony thought they could make a launch based upon hardware alone, just like they did with the PS2. Except this time they have competition. If you're going to base your launch on the strength of your hardware, you damn well make sure you have enough to meet demand. Anyone paying attention to the game lineup knew that the PS3 launch was going to be lackluster at best. Resistance is the only decent game. Can you guys remember a decent game from the PS2 launch? I sure can't. Ridge Racer, SSX, Fantavision? Sounds about as crappy as the PS3 launch.

To be honest, I don't think either Nintendo or Sony did that great. The Wii is neat, but I think the hardware was rushed, and could have been more powerful. The only killer game at launch was Zelda, but personally, I was more than content to wait for the GCN version, and I don't really feel like I'm missing out on the Wii control scheme. Nintendo did better than Sony at launch, but who knows what will be the situation a few years from now. I think Nintendo has to be working on another console, because I think the Wii will still have the shortest life span out of all 3 consoles.[/quote]

You forget and underestimate Wii Sports.
 
[quote name='rickonker']The point here is not that the PS3 is a bust just because TIME says so. The point is it's not good news for the PS3 if TIME thinks it's a bust. TIME represents the mainstream.[/quote]
I agree. You guys hang around a internet message board too much to disagree. Time definitely is an account of public perception and can impact a larger amount of people than you guys are giving it credit for.
 
[quote name='lanzarlaluna']Oh noes! Launches are totally indicative of how a system fares in the long run. Just look at the DS and PSP...

But seriously, these fucking articles are just fodder for fanboys, regardless of which faction to which they align themselves.[/QUOTE]

Really bad examples as the DS had an insane launch that it mainted to this day, while PSP has been struggling since Day 1. You should have said "Dreamcast" and been done with it :lol:

I'm one of the few who actually owns all three. I bought my 360 in May for MSRP, I waited out in the cold for eight fucking hours to buy a Wii for MSRP at launch and I bought PS3 three weeks ago just because I could (at MSRP). Out of all three, the only purchase I regret is PS3. Hell, the only system I've ever regreted buying in my entire life is the PS3.

As for Time, I find it funny that the same magazine that was hailing PS2 as the greatest thing in existence is pissing on the PS3. That right there should show that this round isn't going to a repeat of the last two.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Really bad examples as the DS had an insane launch that it mainted to this day, while PSP has been struggling since Day 1. You should have said "Dreamcast" and been done with it :lol:
[/QUOTE]
As far as launch games on the DS go it was probably the worst ever though.
 
[quote name='whoknows']As far as launch games on the DS go it was probably the worst ever though.[/quote]

That award goes to the PS3. When you only have one game that everyone talks about (Resistance) and yet, 2/3 of the people lined up at stores were there for the sole purpose of reselling the system, you've got trouble. The majority of people bought the DS to play, not to eBay. Oh, and there was this little launch title called Super Mario 64 DS which almost everyone bought along with the DS.
 
Playstation 3 would have been appealing if the following had come through:

1. The price.
2. The throw away rechargeable controlers.
3. They actually did everything they promised with Playstation 2 (You know, hook into the Matrix just like in the movie, Emotion Engine, etc).


I'm buying a Xbox 360 this year when the price drop happens. I'll buy a PS3 when it comes down to $150-200 bucks.
 
[quote name='nintendokid']That award goes to the PS3. When you only have one game that everyone talks about (Resistance) and yet, 2/3 of the people lined up at stores were there for the sole purpose of reselling the system, you've got trouble. The majority of people bought the DS to play, not to eBay. Oh, and there was this little launch title called Super Mario 64 DS which almost everyone bought along with the DS.[/quote]

Resellers... Think about that. There were a lot of people willing to spend their time to maybe buy a console because they knew there would be a market of people willing to pay over retail price. Sure, the price is coming down because theres so damn many online, but thats largely due to media hype. However, they're still selling. Its not like 99% of them were bought by resellers and then failed to sell online.

Your argument fails. If there wasn't a demand for the system, there wouldn't be resellers scooping them up by the armfull.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Resellers... Think about that. There were a lot of people willing to spend their time to maybe buy a console because they knew there would be a market of people willing to pay over retail price. Sure, the price is coming down because theres so damn many online, but thats largely due to media hype. However, they're still selling. Its not like 99% of them were bought by resellers and then failed to sell online.

Your argument fails. If there wasn't a demand for the system, there wouldn't be resellers scooping them up by the armfull.[/QUOTE]

I think its more like there was hype and assumed demmand after how the PS2 was handled as well as the Xbox and that the media ws making it sound like it was the hottest item around. If the demmand was as big as you are trying to say it is we wouldnt see people returning PS3s to retailers. Yes some people got a PS3 because they wanted one....but its becoming apparent pretty fast ALOT if not the majority are thinking fuck you Sony, fuck your high price and fuck these greedy scalpers. The PS3 isnt a flop, it wont be a flop. But for now Sony has a fight on their hand and the demmand for PS3 is low.
 
Why are so many people saying that the 360 had such horrible launch titles?

I still play CoD2, Quake 4, Geometry Wars, Kameo, PGR3, and even Ridge Racer 6.. Even Gun was a great game (if you picked it up for $20 recently)
 
[quote name='jer7583']Why are so many people saying that the 360 had such horrible launch titles?

I still play CoD2, Quake 4, Geometry Wars, Kameo, PGR3, and even Ridge Racer 6.. Even Gun was a great game (if you picked it up for $20 recently)[/QUOTE]

Those are not bad....but hardly a system sell. I dont think any console ever has been worth buying at launch purely on titles.....though SMW made it worth it for me as a kid ;)
 
[quote name='gizmogc']But...its EGM. Who listens to them!
"Fine, The Official Xbox Magaine said Wii is better then PS3"
But...Its Xbox. They hate Sony.
"Ok...President Bush said the Wii is better then PS3. He loves Tennis"
Ok...its the President. He like, says words funny
"Ok...Jesus said Wii is better"
But I'm an athiest. That does not mean anything to me
"Ok, you're mom said Wii is better then PS3"
Whatever.

So what answer WOULD PS3 fanboys like to hear? What source would you trust? The Official Playstation Magazine?[/QUOTE]

That's a funny post. Really bad press is bad press. It doesn't matter if it has a slant. And mainstream bad press is not good. Sony needs to do something amazing to get back in good graces with the mainstream press. Really most of the poeple who own a PS2 at my work own 2 games, Madden and GTA. And at this point I don't think they are willing to spend 600 bucks to play 2 games.
 
[quote name='KingDox']That's a funny post. Really bad press is bad press. It doesn't matter if it has a slant. And mainstream bad press is not good. Sony needs to do something amazing to get back in good graces with the mainstream press. Really most of the poeple who own a PS2 at my work own 2 games, Madden and GTA. And at this point I don't think they are willing to spend 600 bucks to play 2 games.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. And people are not considering that this is going to be a landslide. Whenever the Wii and PS3 were close to launching it seemed there was hype for the PS3 and little for the Wii......then little by little the Wii got some hype and the PS3 got some bad press. A few rocks skidding down hills is fast turning into a landslide for Sony. A little bad press wont kill you, but when every magazine is bashing your console while saying something that costs half as much is alot better....its going to hurt you. I mean we laugh at this as gamers but what do you think little Timmys mom is going to buy him, the available $250 console that everything is saying is great or the $600 one that everyone is saying crap. Same with casual gamers. My fiancees uncle recently got a DS because he kept reading about brain age and other things like it in mags and he had seen me goof around with them a few times. Just out of peaked intreast and because it was cheap he bought it.

Right now its small....but this is called momentum people. Its building for Nintendo while Sony is loosing it. Right now its not a big deal but this COULD lead to Sony loosing control.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Right now its small....but this is called momentum people. Its building for Nintendo while Sony is loosing it. Right now its not a big deal but this COULD lead to Sony loosing control.[/quote]Exactly. It's not unlike the DS and PSP. Both had medicore starts (I'd say the PSP got off to the right foot better, actually), but the DS just gradually, and then explosively, picked up steam. The PSP seems to have gained no momentum, and if anything, is losing it on a regular basis.

But momentum is not day 1 sales. Momentum is software support, so it's really too early to judge either PS3 or Wii, though it seems Microsoft is just sorta plugging along, doing just fine after a year.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Hell, the only system I've ever regreted buying in my entire life is the PS3.
[/QUOTE]

How about the xbox?
 
[quote name='daroga']Exactly. It's not unlike the DS and PSP. Both had medicore starts (I'd say the PSP got off to the right foot better, actually), but the DS just gradually, and then explosively, picked up steam. The PSP seems to have gained no momentum, and if anything, is losing it on a regular basis.

But momentum is not day 1 sales. Momentum is software support, so it's really too early to judge either PS3 or Wii, though it seems Microsoft is just sorta plugging along, doing just fine after a year.[/QUOTE]

People dont seem to like it but the PSP and the DS are indeed the perfect examples. The PSP did if anything start off stronger then the DS hype was....I myself hated the freaking DS and thought it was a poor idea(not that I cared for the PSP but I was excited Nintendo now had handheld competition)but slowly Nintendo built momentum through great games, origional ideas and good press....meanwhile people just got annoyed with Sonys arrogance towards both the PSP and just the market in general and the PSP got alot of bad press. Overtime this has built and now the DS is a freaking monster(and my fav system despite my intial dislike)and the PSP a joke.

And again MS was a good example. The had bad press and lots of gamers were unhappy with the Xbox....but they have done alot with the 360 to get good press which has built to good momentum.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Resellers... Think about that. There were a lot of people willing to spend their time to maybe buy a console because they knew there would be a market of people willing to pay over retail price. Sure, the price is coming down because theres so damn many online, but thats largely due to media hype. However, they're still selling. Its not like 99% of them were bought by resellers and then failed to sell online.

Your argument fails. If there wasn't a demand for the system, there wouldn't be resellers scooping them up by the armfull.[/quote]

There was a demand for the system - the demand was to turn back and resell the system. Resellers DON'T KNOW SHIT - they are not you and I who visit game sites all day to discuss, they are John and Jake from next door. They know Madden and they know Resistance. They also know that the PS2 sold for a fine return back in 2000 but that was when PS2 undisputedly ruled the market. They don't take into account how the Wii would affect PS3 sales and demand (and we already see how that went down) and how Gears of War, ultimately already sold 2,000,000 last week, affects the PS3 demand.

There was a demand for the PS3 not for the manifest function (to play) but for the latent function (to sell). You said it yourself - "Sure, the price is coming down because theres so damn many online, but thats largely due to media hype."

Media hype? Hype is suppose to bring interest up. I think you are missing the point here, and that is simply this: people just don't want a PS3. The Wii had to put up with everything: "Wii-wii" jokes, lack of advertisement, lack of power, critique against the obscure remote, etc. But they are still selling like hot cakes. Go figure. Face the fact.
 
[quote name='nintendokid']There was a demand for the system - the demand was to turn back and resell the system. Resellers DON'T KNOW SHIT - they are not you and I who visit game sites all day to discuss, they are John and Jake from next door. They know Madden and they know Resistance. They also know that the PS2 sold for a fine return back in 2000 but that was when PS2 undisputedly ruled the market. They don't take into account how the Wii would affect PS3 sales and demand (and we already see how that went down) and how Gears of War, ultimately already sold 2,000,000 last week, affects the PS3 demand.

There was a demand for the PS3 not for the manifest function (to play) but for the latent function (to sell). You said it yourself - "Sure, the price is coming down because theres so damn many online, but thats largely due to media hype."

Media hype? Hype is suppose to bring interest up. I think you are missing the point here, and that is simply this: people just don't want a PS3. The Wii had to put up with everything: "Wii-wii" jokes, lack of advertisement, lack of power, critique against the obscure remote, etc. But they are still selling like hot cakes. Go figure. Face the fact.[/quote]The point was that resellers couldn't resell them if there weren't people who wanted them. No one paid $2000 for one thinking it would go for $4k later. They paid the premium to get the new thing at launch, without camping, and if they had the money to burn, great.

The interesting thing is, though, that there is no demand anymore. In the days leading up to Christmas, the prices should've been higher than ever before, but they weren't, they bottomed out. So, obviously the resellers who bought into the hype got burned.
 
Time Magazine don't know nothing about anything in the relation to Videogames. When was the last time Time Magazine gave a damn about videogames and it really matters?
 
[quote name='daroga']
The interesting thing is, though, that there is no demand anymore. In the days leading up to Christmas, the prices should've been higher than ever before, but they weren't, they bottomed out. So, obviously the resellers who bought into the hype got burned.[/quote]

That's why I'm trying to argue that PS3 launch is way worse than the DS ever will be, especially because it is supposed to be the debut of last gen's champion. There are resellers who want to resell the PS3 to the buyers who want to play the PS3. But where are those people who want to play PS3 launch games? Probably swinging a Wii-mote somewhere or probably playing as Locusts.
 
[quote name='RegalSin2020']Time Magazine don't know nothing about anything in the relation to Videogames. When was the last time Time Magazine gave a damn about videogames and it really matters?[/QUOTE]

Way to miss the point and obviously ignore alot of good posts. Time isnt a be all source but they are a source for people who dont game alot, better sources like EGM are saying the same thing though. Look around....pretty much everyone is saying the same thing.
 
[quote name='nintendokid']That's why I'm trying to argue that PS3 launch is way worse than the DS ever will be, especially because it is supposed to be the debut of last gen's champion. There are resellers who want to resell the PS3 to the buyers who want to play the PS3. But where are those people who want to play PS3 launch games? Probably swinging a Wii-mote somewhere or probably playing as Locusts.[/QUOTE]

I can understand where you're coming from, but I have to disagree. With Resistance, at least you get a new experience. Sure, people expected the PS3 to come out swinging and for the most part, it didn't. The DS on the other hand was the king of the mountain besides having a Sony system looming overhead. Rather then releasing a strong field of games, we get a pretty weak offering. The DS's flagship title was an upgraded version of a game we had all played nearly a decade ago. Sure, it had a few solid titles like Feel the Magic and Mr. Driller, but nothing really spectacular. The PS3 has it's one flagship title, Resistance, which ultimately offers more "new" to gamers then a port of a Mario game with relatively weaker controls. The PS3 launch isn't innovative, but there's more titles I can walk into a store and buy and feel ok about my purchase then there were with the DS out of the gate (even if a number of those titles are ports).
 
The thing is

1. People who really care about what occurs with what knew the Wii and 360 was made to combat the PS3.

2. Nintendo only used the TV game idea since politics strongly is suggesting to make violent games illeagal. Nintendo is only watching it's own back. Then using there prior inventions for the bplablisity. Nintendo is trying to stay in the feild of those kiddie game systems like the Scantron and other game toys
( which to be honest is really cool ).

3. Microsoft is pretty much the ones here who have nothing. They are just using the X-Box hype to stay alive. Also the HD-DVD add-on is a joke to be honest. So now you will people buying the HD to play/copy movie and game files like buying a second system.

4. The only reason people is bad mouthing the PS3 is that they had this coming to them. There is so many reasons to bad mouth SONY let me just pcik the best one.

The PS3 is a graphics crunching machine and that is all. That is the problem okay. All it does is look good right now. People do not see the PS3 as a Media Player seeing how DVD is good enough and there is no fan base as with Nintendo that is not dissapointing.
 
In 2007...

...two words...

...will unite the media...

...the gaming and the mainstream...

...two words...

...will remind us...

...of just how incredibly fucking fickle they all really are...

Are you ready...

...for the...

FLIP-FLOP.

Because when it comes to consistency, next year...doesn't give a fuck about this one.

When MGS4 drops, don't open up a magazine without a neck brace on. You're going to need it for the whiplash-inducing '180' they'll be doing. Sony fucked up, true, but it's all about "What have you published for me lately?" This'll all reach equilibrium in the next twelve months.
 
[quote name='whoknows']As far as launch games on the DS go it was probably the worst ever though.[/quote]

DS launch was decent, not abysmal like the PS3s.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']DS launch was decent, not abysmal like the PS3s.[/QUOTE]

The DS' launch was bad enough to make buying games like Asphalt GT look like a decent idea. The best thing that came out was a port of Mario 64 and then nothing good came out for almost a year. It was abysmal at the absolute best.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']The DS' launch was bad enough to make buying games like Asphalt GT look like a decent idea. The best thing that came out was a port of Mario 64 and then nothing good came out for almost a year. It was abysmal at the absolute best.[/QUOTE]

Half a year. Kirby and Meteos came out over the Summer back to back (along with bundling SMB 64 with the electric blue which is when I bought my DS). Also Wario Ware Touched was decent too. The DS launch was mediocre. It still had titles like Feel the Magic and Mr. Driller to give it some support. It certainly isn't better then the PS3 launch though.

Edit: Also did Regal Sin call a Scantron a kiddie game? Last time I checked, no person ever consider a standardized test a kiddie game.
 
The NDS is bull crap in the 3d department and the PSP use the disc and is stuck in the N-Gage situtation. The PSP needs to drop the disc and turn there regular screen into a touch screen.
 
[quote name='RegalSin2020']SONY is not pawned they just want to get the attention of readers of game magazine.[/QUOTE]

Eah of your posts makes less and less sense. Why would Sony want bad hype....not just bad hype but horrible hype. If it was slightly bad press you could argue coverage is coverage....but when every single source is saying this system is too expensive and too many games are available on other systems buy one of this companies rival systems.....ya your just flat out wrong.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']In 2007...

...two words...

...will unite the media...

...the gaming and the mainstream...

...two words...

...will remind us...

...of just how incredibly fucking fickle they all really are...

Are you ready...

...for the...

FLIP-FLOP.

Because when it comes to consistency, next year...doesn't give a fuck about this one.

When MGS4 drops, don't open up a magazine without a neck brace on. You're going to need it for the whiplash-inducing '180' they'll be doing. Sony fucked up, true, but it's all about "What have you published for me lately?" This'll all reach equilibrium in the next twelve months.[/quote]

That's if you're still expecting MGS4 to be system exclusive to the PS3, which at the moment my bet is that it won't be.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']That's if you're still expecting MGS4 to be system exclusive to the PS3, which at the moment my bet is that it won't be.[/quote]I agree. Whether or not the creator like ports is immaterial. They need to make their money back on this expensive game so it'll likely see the light of day on the 360 too to get the broadest user-base possible. A timed exclusive with Sony is likely, but it certainly won't stay that way.

EDIT: In fact, I really think the costs of this generation will do away with the exclusive 3rd party games as we know them, and we'll see their IPs showing up on different consoles. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Gears of War, Dead Rising, Final Fantasy, etc. appeared on all the consoles, or at least the graphical-powerhouses.
 
[quote name='furyk']I can understand where you're coming from, but I have to disagree. With Resistance, at least you get a new experience. Sure, people expected the PS3 to come out swinging and for the most part, it didn't. The DS on the other hand was the king of the mountain besides having a Sony system looming overhead. Rather then releasing a strong field of games, we get a pretty weak offering. The DS's flagship title was an upgraded version of a game we had all played nearly a decade ago. Sure, it had a few solid titles like Feel the Magic and Mr. Driller, but nothing really spectacular. The PS3 has it's one flagship title, Resistance, which ultimately offers more "new" to gamers then a port of a Mario game with relatively weaker controls. The PS3 launch isn't innovative, but there's more titles I can walk into a store and buy and feel ok about my purchase then there were with the DS out of the gate (even if a number of those titles are ports).[/quote]

Excuse me, what has Resistance done that no other FPS on the market currently does. From all I have read, Resistance is like Call of Duty but sped up.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']That's if you're still expecting MGS4 to be system exclusive to the PS3, which at the moment my bet is that it won't be.[/QUOTE]

I believe that MGS4 was already announced for Xbox 360 a week or two ago. Regardless it lost Rsident Evil V as an exclusive already and it just lost Virtual Fighter.....
 
[quote name='MSI Magus'] your just flat out wrong.[/QUOTE]

It is called properganda. The PS3 is great. The thing is people negelt the possibilities of the tilt controller along with the fact that people think that a Blu-Ray player will not read DVD discs.

The thing is this is more about the Blu-Ray then the Game itself. In truth the PS3 is a afordable Blu-ray player.

The thing is the media decides to get on this boo Blu-ray, Boo SONY, Booo Tilt controller just to get attention and to be with the crowd.

It is like me going into a racist city back in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Days and claiming that a blah blah person did this and that. Then the KKK along with the Reporter Monkey rolls on in and start saying this and that.

Everybody can see the truth that this was the plan all along. We do not need these news systems. Our GCN and X-Box is good enough. The PS3 was on the rise and that is what is scary.

Also in truth it was a short five years compared to the longer run.
 
According to TIME I've been person of the year twice now. Once as the American Soldier, now as "You". That shows for how much credit we should give to the magazine... :roll:
 
[quote name='RegalSin2020']It is called properganda. The PS3 is great. The thing is people negelt the possibilities of the tilt controller along with the fact that people think that a Blu-Ray player will not read DVD discs.

The thing is this is more about the Blu-Ray then the Game itself. In truth the PS3 is a afordable Blu-ray player.

The thing is the media decides to get on this boo Blu-ray, Boo SONY, Booo Tilt controller just to get attention and to be with the crowd.

It is like me going into a racist city back in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Days and claiming that a blah blah person did this and that. Then the KKK along with the Reporter Monkey rolls on in and start saying this and that.

Everybody can see the truth that this was the plan all along. We do not need these news systems. Our GCN and X-Box is good enough. The PS3 was on the rise and that is what is scary.

Also in truth it was a short five years compared to the longer run.[/QUOTE]

Again....no offense but all your theories are way off and way silly man. I try to take you seriously but you alot of times sound like a kid who understands how things work in the adult world sometimes but not quite 100% so you use them in the wrong places. This has nothing to do with Blu ray except that Sony picked a stupid medium which drove up the price of the console. People are not hating on the system because of Blu ray.....and you used the word propaganda compltly wrong.....agian im sorry but you really dont seem to know anything about what is going on or how things work. Not trying to be rude....just ya you dont.
 
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