To the punkasses hoarding all the CC games...
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[quote name='alongx'][quote name='opportunity777']This isn't Nazi Germany you facist ... see I can label people too 
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Oh yeah? Well the Jerk Store called and they said they're running out of you!![/quote]
Maybe all the hoarders bought all of them
Seriously, though. There'll always be people who'll buy a whole bunch of stuff. Yesterday at CC, some guy and his woman were physically trying to shove me out of the $4.99 bin. They put their hands out in front of mine many times as I was reaching to look at something. It was rude and frustrating but nothing at CC is worth raising your blood pressure over.
[/quote]Oh yeah? Well the Jerk Store called and they said they're running out of you!![/quote]
Maybe all the hoarders bought all of them
Seriously, though. There'll always be people who'll buy a whole bunch of stuff. Yesterday at CC, some guy and his woman were physically trying to shove me out of the $4.99 bin. They put their hands out in front of mine many times as I was reaching to look at something. It was rude and frustrating but nothing at CC is worth raising your blood pressure over.
[quote name='LoganDX']I understand capitalism. Just because I hate the greedy dirt bag inbred extremists, doesn't mean I don't understand....[/quote]
Why is this a hard concept? I understand profit, I understand capitalism, I understand greed, I understand making money, I understand making a living. I understand that no matter what I say people will still defend the hoarding-ass lifestyle. You are entitled to your opinion and I to mine. I have no ill will towards you Jebus.
It's one thing to IMO work for a living versus snaking every game that goes on sale to make a "profit". Yes it's called supply and demand, it's also called inflating the market price. I understand economics, but I can't buy the need to hoard games from everone. That's utter b.s.
Why is this a hard concept? I understand profit, I understand capitalism, I understand greed, I understand making money, I understand making a living. I understand that no matter what I say people will still defend the hoarding-ass lifestyle. You are entitled to your opinion and I to mine. I have no ill will towards you Jebus.
It's one thing to IMO work for a living versus snaking every game that goes on sale to make a "profit". Yes it's called supply and demand, it's also called inflating the market price. I understand economics, but I can't buy the need to hoard games from everone. That's utter b.s.
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yeah, the kokomo circuit city shut down at the begining of the year.
[quote name='bradr'][quote name='alongx'][quote name='opportunity777']This isn't Nazi Germany you facist ... see I can label people too [/quote]
Oh yeah? Well the Jerk Store called and they said they're running out of you!![/quote]
It was rude and frustrating but nothing at CC is worth raising your blood pressure over.[/quote]
No raised blood pressure here, I just wanted to take the opportunity to smoke that guy. :lol:
He was be-boppin' and skattin' all over the place.
[/quote]Oh yeah? Well the Jerk Store called and they said they're running out of you!![/quote]
It was rude and frustrating but nothing at CC is worth raising your blood pressure over.[/quote]
No raised blood pressure here, I just wanted to take the opportunity to smoke that guy. :lol:
He was be-boppin' and skattin' all over the place.
[quote name='BigNick']I jstu got 8 copies of disgaea, 4 of vietiful joe, and 7 Ikarugas! Ebay here I come.[/quote]
Ahh Hell BigNick!!! I would've never thought you would be a hoarder?!!? If you're serious, what's the price tag? $20+ apiece? Or are you gonna be honorable and keep the price down?
Ahh Hell BigNick!!! I would've never thought you would be a hoarder?!!? If you're serious, what's the price tag? $20+ apiece? Or are you gonna be honorable and keep the price down?
[quote name='LoganDX'] I understand economics, but I can't buy the need to hoard games from everone.[/quote]
That's a contradiction right there. If you understood economics, you'd have no trouble with the concept of people purchasing products at prices under the market values to sell them at market values.
That's a contradiction right there. If you understood economics, you'd have no trouble with the concept of people purchasing products at prices under the market values to sell them at market values.
[quote name='LoganDX'][quote name='BigNick']I jstu got 8 copies of disgaea, 4 of vietiful joe, and 7 Ikarugas! Ebay here I come.[/quote]
Ahh Hell BigNick!!! I would've never thought you would be a hoarder?!!? If you're serious, what's the price tag? $20+ apiece? Or are you gonna be honorable and keep the price down?[/quote]
Just kidding. I only got 1 Disgaea on Sat. I saw VJ, but didnt know it was on sale.
Ahh Hell BigNick!!! I would've never thought you would be a hoarder?!!? If you're serious, what's the price tag? $20+ apiece? Or are you gonna be honorable and keep the price down?[/quote]
Just kidding. I only got 1 Disgaea on Sat. I saw VJ, but didnt know it was on sale.
[quote name='eldad9'][quote name='LoganDX'] I understand economics, but I can't buy the need to hoard games from everone.[/quote]
That's a contradiction right there. If you understood economics, you'd have no trouble with the concept of people purchasing products at prices under the market values to sell them at market values.[/quote]
So if I understand war, I should have no trouble with the concept of innocent people dying? No contradiction here. Understanding and believing are two different things.
I'm sorry but you really seem to be missing my point. I'm pissed at the lengths people went to. Hoarding is a selfish thing perpetuated by selfish greedy jackasses claiming it's "capitalism". It's pure greed. It's making sure no one else can buy these things locally so they are forced in a sense to buy them from the slime balls on ebay. That's what it truely is.
Yes there are alternative ways to purchase these games online but ebay is the first thought of option. Now there is no B&M place for some people to purchase these games. What if some people heard about the sale via word of mouth but yet have no internet access? Or no way to purchase things online? Now they must suffer because of greedy hoarders.
Hoarders should be strung up at the center of town and then be pelted by rocks, rotten fruit, whatever people can bring to the party.....
That's a contradiction right there. If you understood economics, you'd have no trouble with the concept of people purchasing products at prices under the market values to sell them at market values.[/quote]
So if I understand war, I should have no trouble with the concept of innocent people dying? No contradiction here. Understanding and believing are two different things.
I'm sorry but you really seem to be missing my point. I'm pissed at the lengths people went to. Hoarding is a selfish thing perpetuated by selfish greedy jackasses claiming it's "capitalism". It's pure greed. It's making sure no one else can buy these things locally so they are forced in a sense to buy them from the slime balls on ebay. That's what it truely is.
Yes there are alternative ways to purchase these games online but ebay is the first thought of option. Now there is no B&M place for some people to purchase these games. What if some people heard about the sale via word of mouth but yet have no internet access? Or no way to purchase things online? Now they must suffer because of greedy hoarders.
Hoarders should be strung up at the center of town and then be pelted by rocks, rotten fruit, whatever people can bring to the party.....
[quote name='BigNick'][quote name='LoganDX'][quote name='BigNick']I jstu got 8 copies of disgaea, 4 of vietiful joe, and 7 Ikarugas! Ebay here I come.[/quote]
Ahh Hell BigNick!!! I would've never thought you would be a hoarder?!!? If you're serious, what's the price tag? $20+ apiece? Or are you gonna be honorable and keep the price down?[/quote]
Just kidding. I only got 1 Disgaea on Sat. I saw VJ, but didnt know it was on sale.[/quote]
man you started to have me worried....
Ahh Hell BigNick!!! I would've never thought you would be a hoarder?!!? If you're serious, what's the price tag? $20+ apiece? Or are you gonna be honorable and keep the price down?[/quote]
Just kidding. I only got 1 Disgaea on Sat. I saw VJ, but didnt know it was on sale.
[/quote]man you started to have me worried....
This is absurd. War is immoral (almost always), capitalism is not. You refer to paying market price as "suffering". Greed is what moves capitalism - that's the main reason for doing anything. If you killed everybody who tried to make a profit, you'd end up with only the laziest people - and they couldn't do anything by themselves.
Perhaps you should be angry at CC for setting too low a price point - at $10, many of us would still get the games, the stores would make more money, and resellers would have less of a profit margin.
Perhaps you should be angry at CC for setting too low a price point - at $10, many of us would still get the games, the stores would make more money, and resellers would have less of a profit margin.
I'm in the middle of this. Yes, greed fuels capitalism. But you can be a 'good' capitalist. IE, being a capitalist doesn't necessarily make you an asshole. Hoarding games, buying 50 of the same game to instantly plunk on ebay and charge 6.00 for first class shipping--that's being an asshole, not a capitalist.
Not to mention, many stores have a 'no resellers' policy, and if you're a Power Seller on Ebay buying 200 games, guess what, you're a reseller. And I'm no fan of huge taxation, but hey, if you're running a business like that without paying business taxes, then you're helping increase my tax burden.
I do think that while it's hard for a retailer to determine who's a 'reseller', they [and any store] should have a cap on the number of the same title one person can get. Buy 50 games if you want, but no more than 2 or 3 of the same. Some products I can see buying a dozen of--paper towels, 12 pack soft drinks, etc, but one person does not 'need' 4 copies of Disgaea unless they're buying it for resale. [Yes, they could give some away to friends/family; I could see a cap of 5 of one title, 2 of all others, and certainly there are ways around that, but it would be a start.]
I'm not a communist, or a socialist, and I support capitalism, but I also support being 'fair' and not being a jerkass. Ultimately that jerkassness will come back around and bite you--either you'll flood your own market, or no one will want to deal with you [Unfortunately, not completely true--there's still hundreds of pirated dvd's on ebay that people are charging 15-40 bucks for.]
Not to mention, many stores have a 'no resellers' policy, and if you're a Power Seller on Ebay buying 200 games, guess what, you're a reseller. And I'm no fan of huge taxation, but hey, if you're running a business like that without paying business taxes, then you're helping increase my tax burden.
I do think that while it's hard for a retailer to determine who's a 'reseller', they [and any store] should have a cap on the number of the same title one person can get. Buy 50 games if you want, but no more than 2 or 3 of the same. Some products I can see buying a dozen of--paper towels, 12 pack soft drinks, etc, but one person does not 'need' 4 copies of Disgaea unless they're buying it for resale. [Yes, they could give some away to friends/family; I could see a cap of 5 of one title, 2 of all others, and certainly there are ways around that, but it would be a start.]
I'm not a communist, or a socialist, and I support capitalism, but I also support being 'fair' and not being a jerkass. Ultimately that jerkassness will come back around and bite you--either you'll flood your own market, or no one will want to deal with you [Unfortunately, not completely true--there's still hundreds of pirated dvd's on ebay that people are charging 15-40 bucks for.]
[quote name='dtcarson']I'm in the middle of this. Yes, greed fuels capitalism. But you can be a 'good' capitalist. IE, being a capitalist doesn't necessarily make you an asshole. Hoarding games, buying 50 of the same game to instantly plunk on ebay and charge 6.00 for first class shipping--that's being an asshole, not a capitalist.
Not to mention, many stores have a 'no resellers' policy, and if you're a Power Seller on Ebay buying 200 games, guess what, you're a reseller. And I'm no fan of huge taxation, but hey, if you're running a business like that without paying business taxes, then you're helping increase my tax burden.
I do think that while it's hard for a retailer to determine who's a 'reseller', they [and any store] should have a cap on the number of the same title one person can get. Buy 50 games if you want, but no more than 2 or 3 of the same. Some products I can see buying a dozen of--paper towels, 12 pack soft drinks, etc, but one person does not 'need' 4 copies of Disgaea unless they're buying it for resale. [Yes, they could give some away to friends/family; I could see a cap of 5 of one title, 2 of all others, and certainly there are ways around that, but it would be a start.]
I'm not a communist, or a socialist, and I support capitalism, but I also support being 'fair' and not being a jerkass. Ultimately that jerkassness will come back around and bite you--either you'll flood your own market, or no one will want to deal with you [Unfortunately, not completely true--there's still hundreds of pirated dvd's on ebay that people are charging 15-40 bucks for.][/quote]
I agree with you 110% there. You can be a capitalist but not be an asshole. I consider myself a capitalist - or certainly more of a capitalist than a socialist or otherwise. Your points on reselling at taxation pretty much said what I think is the problem with this.
Not to mention, many stores have a 'no resellers' policy, and if you're a Power Seller on Ebay buying 200 games, guess what, you're a reseller. And I'm no fan of huge taxation, but hey, if you're running a business like that without paying business taxes, then you're helping increase my tax burden.
I do think that while it's hard for a retailer to determine who's a 'reseller', they [and any store] should have a cap on the number of the same title one person can get. Buy 50 games if you want, but no more than 2 or 3 of the same. Some products I can see buying a dozen of--paper towels, 12 pack soft drinks, etc, but one person does not 'need' 4 copies of Disgaea unless they're buying it for resale. [Yes, they could give some away to friends/family; I could see a cap of 5 of one title, 2 of all others, and certainly there are ways around that, but it would be a start.]
I'm not a communist, or a socialist, and I support capitalism, but I also support being 'fair' and not being a jerkass. Ultimately that jerkassness will come back around and bite you--either you'll flood your own market, or no one will want to deal with you [Unfortunately, not completely true--there's still hundreds of pirated dvd's on ebay that people are charging 15-40 bucks for.][/quote]
I agree with you 110% there. You can be a capitalist but not be an asshole. I consider myself a capitalist - or certainly more of a capitalist than a socialist or otherwise. Your points on reselling at taxation pretty much said what I think is the problem with this.
[quote name='punqsux']i saw VJ as well on saturday, but was like "no way its 5 bucks!" so i didnt have it scanned....sunday morning doyle bought it *shakes fist*[/quote]
I've had a few moments like that with the updated list.
"Wait a minute. I'm sure I saw that. Why didn't I ask for a price check, why, why? I am accursed of God!"
A few things on the later list did not scan as $4.99 though. The answer is persistence and the willingness to tie up the clerks pays off. I'd have to consider tipping if I requested enough price checks.
I've had a few moments like that with the updated list.
"Wait a minute. I'm sure I saw that. Why didn't I ask for a price check, why, why? I am accursed of God!"
A few things on the later list did not scan as $4.99 though. The answer is persistence and the willingness to tie up the clerks pays off. I'd have to consider tipping if I requested enough price checks.
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all right you vented, now it's time for this topic to be locked.
perhaps someone can make a main hate topic, where we all can flame those
ing asshats
perhaps someone can make a main hate topic, where we all can flame those
ing asshats [quote name='dtcarson']I'm in the middle of this. Yes, greed fuels capitalism. But you can be a 'good' capitalist. IE, being a capitalist doesn't necessarily make you an asshole. Hoarding games, buying 50 of the same game to instantly plunk on ebay and charge 6.00 for first class shipping--that's being an asshole, not a capitalist.
Not to mention, many stores have a 'no resellers' policy, and if you're a Power Seller on Ebay buying 200 games, guess what, you're a reseller. And I'm no fan of huge taxation, but hey, if you're running a business like that without paying business taxes, then you're helping increase my tax burden.
I do think that while it's hard for a retailer to determine who's a 'reseller', they [and any store] should have a cap on the number of the same title one person can get. Buy 50 games if you want, but no more than 2 or 3 of the same. Some products I can see buying a dozen of--paper towels, 12 pack soft drinks, etc, but one person does not 'need' 4 copies of Disgaea unless they're buying it for resale. [Yes, they could give some away to friends/family; I could see a cap of 5 of one title, 2 of all others, and certainly there are ways around that, but it would be a start.]
I'm not a communist, or a socialist, and I support capitalism, but I also support being 'fair' and not being a jerkass. Ultimately that jerkassness will come back around and bite you--either you'll flood your own market, or no one will want to deal with you [Unfortunately, not completely true--there's still hundreds of pirated dvd's on ebay that people are charging 15-40 bucks for.][/quote]
Your take on taxation is mistaken. eBay is the world's most transparent marketplace. The IRS and other taxing authorities can see everything going on and easily decide who is worth their time to 'encourage' to formalize their business standing.
Don't forget that everything that gets sold on eBay is charged a fee and those fees are taxable revenue. eBay's revenues are thus completely in the open and the IRS loves that as well as the tax boards in the states in which eBay has operations. (Primarily California.)
If those same businesses connected to customers by a means that didn't incur a fee they'd avoid all forms of tax base contribution but they'd also be greatly limited in their ability do business. eBay both enables their business and passes a slice of those sellers' revenue into the tax base.
There may come a time when someone choose to swoop down on eBay sellers within their jurisdiction but for now it hasn't been found to be worth the trouble. The biggest sellers on eBay are real tax paying businesses with DBA and all the other formalities. If you scan their auctions you'll see notice that you'll have to pay sales tax if your address falls in the same state as them. Some sellers may grow quite large without formalizing but this is self-limiting. There is only so far you can grow before you need a real business infrastructure to function. Hiring employees, for instance. Sure, you can get a certain amount done with under the table hirelings but this is also eventually limiting. The more you get into a larger scale the more you need the legit status.
500?
Not to mention, many stores have a 'no resellers' policy, and if you're a Power Seller on Ebay buying 200 games, guess what, you're a reseller. And I'm no fan of huge taxation, but hey, if you're running a business like that without paying business taxes, then you're helping increase my tax burden.
I do think that while it's hard for a retailer to determine who's a 'reseller', they [and any store] should have a cap on the number of the same title one person can get. Buy 50 games if you want, but no more than 2 or 3 of the same. Some products I can see buying a dozen of--paper towels, 12 pack soft drinks, etc, but one person does not 'need' 4 copies of Disgaea unless they're buying it for resale. [Yes, they could give some away to friends/family; I could see a cap of 5 of one title, 2 of all others, and certainly there are ways around that, but it would be a start.]
I'm not a communist, or a socialist, and I support capitalism, but I also support being 'fair' and not being a jerkass. Ultimately that jerkassness will come back around and bite you--either you'll flood your own market, or no one will want to deal with you [Unfortunately, not completely true--there's still hundreds of pirated dvd's on ebay that people are charging 15-40 bucks for.][/quote]
Your take on taxation is mistaken. eBay is the world's most transparent marketplace. The IRS and other taxing authorities can see everything going on and easily decide who is worth their time to 'encourage' to formalize their business standing.
Don't forget that everything that gets sold on eBay is charged a fee and those fees are taxable revenue. eBay's revenues are thus completely in the open and the IRS loves that as well as the tax boards in the states in which eBay has operations. (Primarily California.)
If those same businesses connected to customers by a means that didn't incur a fee they'd avoid all forms of tax base contribution but they'd also be greatly limited in their ability do business. eBay both enables their business and passes a slice of those sellers' revenue into the tax base.
There may come a time when someone choose to swoop down on eBay sellers within their jurisdiction but for now it hasn't been found to be worth the trouble. The biggest sellers on eBay are real tax paying businesses with DBA and all the other formalities. If you scan their auctions you'll see notice that you'll have to pay sales tax if your address falls in the same state as them. Some sellers may grow quite large without formalizing but this is self-limiting. There is only so far you can grow before you need a real business infrastructure to function. Hiring employees, for instance. Sure, you can get a certain amount done with under the table hirelings but this is also eventually limiting. The more you get into a larger scale the more you need the legit status.
500?
[quote name='dtcarson']oarding games, buying 50 of the same game to instantly plunk on ebay and charge 6.00 for first class shipping--that's being an asshole, not a capitalist.[/quote]
Cheating in shipping is definitely fraudulent. As for the rest - that's capitalism - a person sees an opportunity and takes it, pure and simple. Is your problem with the number of copies? time between purchasing and reselling? the site used?
[quote name='dtcarson']Not to mention, many stores have a 'no resellers' policy, and if you're a Power Seller on Ebay buying 200 games, guess what, you're a reseller. And I'm no fan of huge taxation, but hey, if you're running a business like that without paying business taxes, then you're helping increase my tax burden.[/quote]
Tax fraud is very serious, but we don't know whether these people actually commit it. As for store policies, that's up to stores to define and implement - so your quarrel would be with circuit city.
[quote name='dtcarson']Ultimately that jerkassness will come back around and bite you--either you'll flood your own market, or no one will want to deal with you[/quote]
That's a risk the resellers are willing to take. Again, that's how the system works.
Cheating in shipping is definitely fraudulent. As for the rest - that's capitalism - a person sees an opportunity and takes it, pure and simple. Is your problem with the number of copies? time between purchasing and reselling? the site used?
[quote name='dtcarson']Not to mention, many stores have a 'no resellers' policy, and if you're a Power Seller on Ebay buying 200 games, guess what, you're a reseller. And I'm no fan of huge taxation, but hey, if you're running a business like that without paying business taxes, then you're helping increase my tax burden.[/quote]
Tax fraud is very serious, but we don't know whether these people actually commit it. As for store policies, that's up to stores to define and implement - so your quarrel would be with circuit city.
[quote name='dtcarson']Ultimately that jerkassness will come back around and bite you--either you'll flood your own market, or no one will want to deal with you[/quote]
That's a risk the resellers are willing to take. Again, that's how the system works.
One thing that should offer some comfort is to scan eBay for titles from the list. Most of the ones I've checked are getting no bids or very low bids. Look here for the most recently completed auctions on Chaos Legion. Not a great game but still one that should be pulling around $20. Witness the power of hoarders to screw themselves by flooding the market. That is also part of capitalism.
http://search-completed.ebay.com/Ch...goryZ1249QQsoitemstatusZ2QQsorecordstoskipZ50
If you figure the sales tax in most states, the eBay fees, PayPal fees, the time involved in packaging and shipping, etc., a $4.99 game that auctions for $9.99 is not a winner unless you've truly got nothing better to do with your time.
http://search-completed.ebay.com/Ch...goryZ1249QQsoitemstatusZ2QQsorecordstoskipZ50
If you figure the sales tax in most states, the eBay fees, PayPal fees, the time involved in packaging and shipping, etc., a $4.99 game that auctions for $9.99 is not a winner unless you've truly got nothing better to do with your time.
Sales tax is generally only collected if a vendor has a 'physical presence' in your state [for now at least]. Most ebay vendors don't have that.
I don't mean the taxes from Ebay, certainly Ebay is a business and I'm sure they pay some taxes, I'm talking about the people who 'run a business' on ebay.
If I have a home business, I can buy stuff from BJ's Warehouse for business use and save on sales taxes there. However I also have to pay business licences, comply with regulatory requirements, etc, that these 'ultra small' businesses aren't doing.
I don't have a problem with small business, I admire anyone who can make it work. I do havea problem with cheating, however, and hoarding games, aimed at the consumer market, and buying mass quantities thereof, like some of the people we're talking about, is that 'cheating' I'm referring to.
And if 'anything goes' in capitalism, well, tell Mr Ken Lay that, and send him home. He was just 'greedy', but apparently that's ok. Same with Martha Stewart, using insider information [like these price/inventory lists] to profit.
My problem is basically with time between purchase and resale, and quantities purchased. If you buy 20 copies, or all copies, of a certain game in this scenario with the sole intent of immediately reselling them on ebay [because honestly, what else would you be doing with them?] and especially charging ridiculous shipping fees, I think that's wrong. Maybe it violates a CC policy that they don't enforce. Maybe it's not 'illegal'. But I believe it is wrong. I know very little is considered 'wrong' today, but if a big businessman did the exact same thing, he'd be considered a greedy capitalist and against the 'little people.'
When you go to a buffet, and there's 3 slices of pepperoni pizza left and a line behind you, do you take all three slices?
I don't mean the taxes from Ebay, certainly Ebay is a business and I'm sure they pay some taxes, I'm talking about the people who 'run a business' on ebay.
If I have a home business, I can buy stuff from BJ's Warehouse for business use and save on sales taxes there. However I also have to pay business licences, comply with regulatory requirements, etc, that these 'ultra small' businesses aren't doing.
I don't have a problem with small business, I admire anyone who can make it work. I do havea problem with cheating, however, and hoarding games, aimed at the consumer market, and buying mass quantities thereof, like some of the people we're talking about, is that 'cheating' I'm referring to.
And if 'anything goes' in capitalism, well, tell Mr Ken Lay that, and send him home. He was just 'greedy', but apparently that's ok. Same with Martha Stewart, using insider information [like these price/inventory lists] to profit.
My problem is basically with time between purchase and resale, and quantities purchased. If you buy 20 copies, or all copies, of a certain game in this scenario with the sole intent of immediately reselling them on ebay [because honestly, what else would you be doing with them?] and especially charging ridiculous shipping fees, I think that's wrong. Maybe it violates a CC policy that they don't enforce. Maybe it's not 'illegal'. But I believe it is wrong. I know very little is considered 'wrong' today, but if a big businessman did the exact same thing, he'd be considered a greedy capitalist and against the 'little people.'
When you go to a buffet, and there's 3 slices of pepperoni pizza left and a line behind you, do you take all three slices?
Ah, but the rules of etiquette are different in a buffet, where you pay a fixed price. If you paid per slice, there wouldn't be any perceived problem, right?
Like I said, charging high shipping fees is fraudulent.
I never said "anything goes" in capitalism; there's legality, and morality. But taking advantage of an opportunity is not immoral.
Circuit city is a company that wants to move product. The resellers want to buy it. That's all there is to it.
Like I said, charging high shipping fees is fraudulent.
I never said "anything goes" in capitalism; there's legality, and morality. But taking advantage of an opportunity is not immoral.
Circuit city is a company that wants to move product. The resellers want to buy it. That's all there is to it.
[quote name='jebus179']LoganDX,
You are bitter as hell. Don't ever be a business or economics major. One- seems like you don't fit well with it. Two-you don't understand the fundamental concepts of them.[/quote]
Yes I am bitter as hell. For me it's simple-black and white. I would never walk into a sale like the one at CC and snag every game in there just to turn a quick buck. Especially not at the expense of others! You don't understand that I can hate and not like a concept like business/economics but still understand them. Hence my reference to war. Understanding and not liking are two differenting things!
So if you go to the bank and do business, do you take all the free suckers? Do you say "Well they shouldn't be there if I couldn't take them all?" Ahhh but that's different, right? Perceived value and the what not, huh? Greed is greed. Hoarding is immoral, like taking the last three pieces of pizza in a buffet.
What goes around, comes around....
You are bitter as hell. Don't ever be a business or economics major. One- seems like you don't fit well with it. Two-you don't understand the fundamental concepts of them.[/quote]
Yes I am bitter as hell. For me it's simple-black and white. I would never walk into a sale like the one at CC and snag every game in there just to turn a quick buck. Especially not at the expense of others! You don't understand that I can hate and not like a concept like business/economics but still understand them. Hence my reference to war. Understanding and not liking are two different
ing things!So if you go to the bank and do business, do you take all the free suckers? Do you say "Well they shouldn't be there if I couldn't take them all?" Ahhh but that's different, right? Perceived value and the what not, huh? Greed is greed. Hoarding is immoral, like taking the last three pieces of pizza in a buffet.
What goes around, comes around....
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I feel you bro'. Man, I had the worst time today. If only I didn't have to work so damn much, and I had access quicker...
So anyone got Disgaea?
20 bucks, please?
So anyone got Disgaea?
20 bucks, please?
[quote name='dtcarson']When you go to a buffet, and there's 3 slices of pepperoni pizza left and a line behind you, do you take all three slices?[/quote]
If its the pizza hut buffet, and they arent bringing out any new pizzas, then yes. BigNick doesnt around when its lunch time.
If its the pizza hut buffet, and they arent bringing out any new pizzas, then yes. BigNick doesnt
around when its lunch time.My god, how old is everyone here? No one seems to understand how the American Economic system works. There is nothing wrong with hoarding all the games? Why, because circuit city did not put any guidelines on how many you can get. Don't blame the hoarders, blame CC. Also, the whole point of capitalism is to make a profit, and that's all that these people were doing. What's wrong with making a quick buck? Also, some people use eBay as their job. "So they become assholes at the expense of others" That is such an untrue statement. It's not like anything was promised to anyone. Nothing was promised to anyone. No one has room to say that these people were assholes and that they are making a buck out of the expense of others. You can be upset, but you kids are just acting silly.
[quote name='jebus179']My god, how old is everyone here? No one seems to understand how the American Economic system works. There is nothing wrong with hoarding all the games? Why, because circuit city did not put any guidelines on how many you can get. Don't blame the hoarders, blame CC. Also, the whole point of capitalism is to make a profit, and that's all that these people were doing. What's wrong with making a quick buck? Also, some people use eBay as their job. "So they become assholes at the expense of others" That is such an untrue statement. It's not like anything was promised to anyone. Nothing was promised to anyone. No one has room to say that these people were assholes and that they are making a buck out of the expense of others. You can be upset, but you kids are just acting silly.[/quote]
Well said. I didnt get all the games I wanted, whatever, there will be other sales. No use crying over spilt milk.
Well said. I didnt get all the games I wanted, whatever, there will be other sales. No use crying over spilt milk.
Assuming you're lumping me in there, I do know how 'society operates', or rather, what it's made up of: mostly selfish, greedy, thoughtless, instant-buck, people whose reigning view on life is Me first and All-for-me. It's patently obvious from sales like this, to driving on the highway [you were going 65, now that I'm passing you, you speed up to 75, does that make you feel big?] to vending machines [people cutting in front of someone else waiting to plunk their 75 cents in]. And many other places.
I try to be optimistic, and I do think ultimately man is good or at least neutral, but when something as simple as this brings out the greediest in people [and yes, if someone is buying all copies of a game to sell on ebay for 20 bucks a shot, or worse, return to other stores {which, admittedly, no one has mentioned} that's definitely the 'greediest'.] If the way 'society operates' is that it's full of a bunch of greedy punkasses, then yes, I do realize it.
The funny thing is, i wonder how many of those same people bought into the '80's were a decade of greed' propaganda we heard, or are anti-Microsoft because Bill Gates is a zillionaire, etc. If so, that's even worse--not just greedy punkasses, but greedy *hypocritical* punkasses.
I try to be optimistic, and I do think ultimately man is good or at least neutral, but when something as simple as this brings out the greediest in people [and yes, if someone is buying all copies of a game to sell on ebay for 20 bucks a shot, or worse, return to other stores {which, admittedly, no one has mentioned} that's definitely the 'greediest'.] If the way 'society operates' is that it's full of a bunch of greedy punkasses, then yes, I do realize it.
The funny thing is, i wonder how many of those same people bought into the '80's were a decade of greed' propaganda we heard, or are anti-Microsoft because Bill Gates is a zillionaire, etc. If so, that's even worse--not just greedy punkasses, but greedy *hypocritical* punkasses.
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if you are going to blame someone, blame the circuit city managers or someone with the company.
if someone bought 6 disgaeas, for instance, it would be pretty lame, but if the store allows it, can you really blame a person who will probably make an extra $150 (maybe, assuming he make's $30 a copy and sells 5 of them) on them? that is some very easy money. personally, i wouldn't have minded if they would have limited it to 3 per title, but whatever, they didn't.
let me put it to you this way: let's say you are at a used cd/dvd store, and you spot a "this is spinal tap" criterion collection dvd priced at $15 used. you get excited, because it's out of print, and you could sell it on ebay for anywhere from $50-100, depending on if it's a good week or not. is it wrong for the person to buy this with the intent to resell it?
you win some and you lose some.
if someone bought 6 disgaeas, for instance, it would be pretty lame, but if the store allows it, can you really blame a person who will probably make an extra $150 (maybe, assuming he make's $30 a copy and sells 5 of them) on them? that is some very easy money. personally, i wouldn't have minded if they would have limited it to 3 per title, but whatever, they didn't.
let me put it to you this way: let's say you are at a used cd/dvd store, and you spot a "this is spinal tap" criterion collection dvd priced at $15 used. you get excited, because it's out of print, and you could sell it on ebay for anywhere from $50-100, depending on if it's a good week or not. is it wrong for the person to buy this with the intent to resell it?
you win some and you lose some.
[quote name='dtcarson']Assuming you're lumping me in there, I do know how 'society operates', or rather, what it's made up of: mostly selfish, greedy, thoughtless, instant-buck, people whose reigning view on life is Me first and All-for-me. It's patently obvious from sales like this, to driving on the highway [you were going 65, now that I'm passing you, you speed up to 75, does that make you feel big?] to vending machines [people cutting in front of someone else waiting to plunk their 75 cents in]. And many other places.
I try to be optimistic, and I do think ultimately man is good or at least neutral, but when something as simple as this brings out the greediest in people [and yes, if someone is buying all copies of a game to sell on ebay for 20 bucks a shot, or worse, return to other stores {which, admittedly, no one has mentioned} that's definitely the 'greediest'.] If the way 'society operates' is that it's full of a bunch of greedy punkasses, then yes, I do realize it.
The funny thing is, i wonder how many of those same people bought into the '80's were a decade of greed' propaganda we heard, or are anti-Microsoft because Bill Gates is a zillionaire, etc. If so, that's even worse--not just greedy punkasses, but greedy *hypocritical* punkasses.[/quote]
well in' said. I guess when you bitch about greed and selfishness, you're bad. It's capitalism, you don't understand economics, you don't get it, blah,blah,in' blah! This is the state of our world, our society and when we step up and get pissed about something we feel is not right-We're cry babies. Well consider me a damn cry baby.
I'm 28 years old and been in the world long enough to know how "it works". For me though, the CC deal has been one of the lowest points in human greed, and not just from my experiences.
I wonder how many people here defending the hoarders also defended the "Tickle Me Elmo" thugs? How many people got hurt over that insanity? Huh? But I guess that was just dumb, right? Would you consider what those people did as greed or "capitalism"? Basically, the same set of problems and the same result-People hoarded,maimed and nearly killed for those stupid ass toys. What happened to alot of them? They were RESOLD! Yeah, resellers did it then too. I bitched about them back then too. What did you have to say?...
I try to be optimistic, and I do think ultimately man is good or at least neutral, but when something as simple as this brings out the greediest in people [and yes, if someone is buying all copies of a game to sell on ebay for 20 bucks a shot, or worse, return to other stores {which, admittedly, no one has mentioned} that's definitely the 'greediest'.] If the way 'society operates' is that it's full of a bunch of greedy punkasses, then yes, I do realize it.
The funny thing is, i wonder how many of those same people bought into the '80's were a decade of greed' propaganda we heard, or are anti-Microsoft because Bill Gates is a zillionaire, etc. If so, that's even worse--not just greedy punkasses, but greedy *hypocritical* punkasses.[/quote]
well in' said. I guess when you bitch about greed and selfishness, you're bad. It's capitalism, you don't understand economics, you don't get it, blah,blah,in' blah! This is the state of our world, our society and when we step up and get pissed about something we feel is not right-We're cry babies. Well consider me a damn cry baby. I'm 28 years old and been in the world long enough to know how "it works". For me though, the CC deal has been one of the lowest points in human greed, and not just from my experiences.
I wonder how many people here defending the hoarders also defended the "Tickle Me Elmo" thugs? How many people got hurt over that insanity? Huh? But I guess that was just dumb, right? Would you consider what those people did as greed or "capitalism"? Basically, the same set of problems and the same result-People hoarded,maimed and nearly killed for those stupid ass toys. What happened to alot of them? They were RESOLD! Yeah, resellers did it then too. I bitched about them back then too. What did you have to say?...
dtcarson,
By your logic, it's wrong to have a good paying job then because it's greedy. There is no point of turning this into a philosophical debate. There was an oppurtunity, and someone took it. That's America for you. The thing about Capitalism is that there is an incentive to seize oppurtunities. This is a capitalistinc society. Also, these are video games, it's not like you're losing out on life or something. NOTHING WAS PROMISED FROM CC TO YOU, nothing. Don't expect anything. You may think they are selfish, but so are you. You're assuming that something should have been promised to you. Yeah it sucks that some people couldn't get the games that they wanted, but that's how society and capitalism works. If you think it's greedy, then fine, I guess to you it is. Capitalism has always been about profit, and hard work. Maybe hoarding the games isn't "hard work", but they still seized an oppurtunity and there is nothing wrong with that. Also, may I ask how old are you? I'm not trying say anything about your age, but that may be a factor in your thinking.
By your logic, it's wrong to have a good paying job then because it's greedy. There is no point of turning this into a philosophical debate. There was an oppurtunity, and someone took it. That's America for you. The thing about Capitalism is that there is an incentive to seize oppurtunities. This is a capitalistinc society. Also, these are video games, it's not like you're losing out on life or something. NOTHING WAS PROMISED FROM CC TO YOU, nothing. Don't expect anything. You may think they are selfish, but so are you. You're assuming that something should have been promised to you. Yeah it sucks that some people couldn't get the games that they wanted, but that's how society and capitalism works. If you think it's greedy, then fine, I guess to you it is. Capitalism has always been about profit, and hard work. Maybe hoarding the games isn't "hard work", but they still seized an oppurtunity and there is nothing wrong with that. Also, may I ask how old are you? I'm not trying say anything about your age, but that may be a factor in your thinking.
[quote name='thatstoobad']if you are going to blame someone, blame the circuit city managers or someone with the company.
if someone bought 6 disgaeas, for instance, it would be pretty lame, but if the store allows it, can you really blame a person who will probably make an extra $150 (maybe, assuming he make's $30 a copy and sells 5 of them) on them? that is some very easy money. personally, i wouldn't have minded if they would have limited it to 3 per title, but whatever, they didn't.
let me put it to you this way: let's say you are at a used cd/dvd store, and you spot a "this is spinal tap" criterion collection dvd priced at $15 used. you get excited, because it's out of print, and you could sell it on ebay for anywhere from $50-100, depending on if it's a good week or not. is it wrong for the person to buy this with the intent to resell it?
you win some and you lose some.[/quote]
Actually, if you bought one 1-2 to sell is one thing. I'm not pissed at reselling in general. I'm pissed at hoarders. If that same dvd was there and there were 20 copies and some one took them all-that's hoarding. That's were my problem lies. Unfortunately, these same hoarders are reselling on ebay. They take nearly every (insert sale item here) so no one else can get it at that price. That's greed not "capitalism". If one copy of VJ was sitting on the shelf and someone bought it knowing it would sell on ebay, oh well. I missed out. But if there are 20 copies on there and somone took all 20 copies to sell on ebay, that's selfish. Do you see my point?
Too many people defend greed and selfishness it the name of "capitalism" and "consumerism". Call it what it truly is....
if someone bought 6 disgaeas, for instance, it would be pretty lame, but if the store allows it, can you really blame a person who will probably make an extra $150 (maybe, assuming he make's $30 a copy and sells 5 of them) on them? that is some very easy money. personally, i wouldn't have minded if they would have limited it to 3 per title, but whatever, they didn't.
let me put it to you this way: let's say you are at a used cd/dvd store, and you spot a "this is spinal tap" criterion collection dvd priced at $15 used. you get excited, because it's out of print, and you could sell it on ebay for anywhere from $50-100, depending on if it's a good week or not. is it wrong for the person to buy this with the intent to resell it?
you win some and you lose some.[/quote]
Actually, if you bought one 1-2 to sell is one thing. I'm not pissed at reselling in general. I'm pissed at hoarders. If that same dvd was there and there were 20 copies and some one took them all-that's hoarding. That's were my problem lies. Unfortunately, these same hoarders are reselling on ebay. They take nearly every (insert sale item here) so no one else can get it at that price. That's greed not "capitalism". If one copy of VJ was sitting on the shelf and someone bought it knowing it would sell on ebay, oh well. I missed out. But if there are 20 copies on there and somone took all 20 copies to sell on ebay, that's selfish. Do you see my point?
Too many people defend greed and selfishness it the name of "capitalism" and "consumerism". Call it what it truly is....
[quote name='LoganDX'][quote name='dtcarson']Assuming you're lumping me in there, I do know how 'society operates', or rather, what it's made up of: mostly selfish, greedy, thoughtless, instant-buck, people whose reigning view on life is Me first and All-for-me. It's patently obvious from sales like this, to driving on the highway [you were going 65, now that I'm passing you, you speed up to 75, does that make you feel big?] to vending machines [people cutting in front of someone else waiting to plunk their 75 cents in]. And many other places.
I try to be optimistic, and I do think ultimately man is good or at least neutral, but when something as simple as this brings out the greediest in people [and yes, if someone is buying all copies of a game to sell on ebay for 20 bucks a shot, or worse, return to other stores {which, admittedly, no one has mentioned} that's definitely the 'greediest'.] If the way 'society operates' is that it's full of a bunch of greedy punkasses, then yes, I do realize it.
The funny thing is, i wonder how many of those same people bought into the '80's were a decade of greed' propaganda we heard, or are anti-Microsoft because Bill Gates is a zillionaire, etc. If so, that's even worse--not just greedy punkasses, but greedy *hypocritical* punkasses.[/quote]
well shaq-fuin' said. I guess when you bitch about greed and selfishness, you're bad. It's capitalism, you don't understand economics, you don't get it, blah,blah,shaq-fuin' blah! This is the state of our world, our society and when we step up and get pissed about something we feel is not right-We're cry babies. Well consider me a damn cry baby.
I'm 28 years old and been in the world long enough to know how "it works". For me though, the CC deal has been one of the lowest points in human greed, and not just from my experiences.
I wonder how many people here defending the hoarders also defended the "Tickle Me Elmo" thugs? How many people got hurt over that insanity? Huh? But I guess that was just dumb, right? Would you consider what those people did as greed or "capitalism"? Basically, the same set of problems and the same result-People hoarded,maimed and nearly killed for those stupid ass toys. What happened to alot of them? They were RESOLD! Yeah, resellers did it then too. I bitched about them back then too. What did you have to say?...[/quote]
Has anyone been physically hurt over this deal? No, then part of you're argument is null.
I try to be optimistic, and I do think ultimately man is good or at least neutral, but when something as simple as this brings out the greediest in people [and yes, if someone is buying all copies of a game to sell on ebay for 20 bucks a shot, or worse, return to other stores {which, admittedly, no one has mentioned} that's definitely the 'greediest'.] If the way 'society operates' is that it's full of a bunch of greedy punkasses, then yes, I do realize it.
The funny thing is, i wonder how many of those same people bought into the '80's were a decade of greed' propaganda we heard, or are anti-Microsoft because Bill Gates is a zillionaire, etc. If so, that's even worse--not just greedy punkasses, but greedy *hypocritical* punkasses.[/quote]
well shaq-fuin' said. I guess when you bitch about greed and selfishness, you're bad. It's capitalism, you don't understand economics, you don't get it, blah,blah,shaq-fuin' blah! This is the state of our world, our society and when we step up and get pissed about something we feel is not right-We're cry babies. Well consider me a damn cry baby. I'm 28 years old and been in the world long enough to know how "it works". For me though, the CC deal has been one of the lowest points in human greed, and not just from my experiences.
I wonder how many people here defending the hoarders also defended the "Tickle Me Elmo" thugs? How many people got hurt over that insanity? Huh? But I guess that was just dumb, right? Would you consider what those people did as greed or "capitalism"? Basically, the same set of problems and the same result-People hoarded,maimed and nearly killed for those stupid ass toys. What happened to alot of them? They were RESOLD! Yeah, resellers did it then too. I bitched about them back then too. What did you have to say?...[/quote]
Has anyone been physically hurt over this deal? No, then part of you're argument is null.
Capitalism if survival for the fittest. Sad but true, if you have the resources and oppurtunties, then capitalism is in your favor, if not, then it's not. We're not trying to say that it's not greed by saying it's capitalism, it's just Capitalism. If you live in a society of capitalism, then that's what you must expect.
[quote name='WildWop']You can be caused mental or emotional anguish and have it classified as "hurt." Hurt is not only physical. With that, I retreat from the flamefest[/quote]
If you have mental or emotional anguish over hoarding people, then you are the one who needs help. To be this bitter about it, it's just stupid.
If you have mental or emotional anguish over hoarding people, then you are the one who needs help. To be this bitter about it, it's just stupid.
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[quote name='LoganDX']Actually, if you bought one 1-2 to sell is one thing. I'm not pissed at reselling in general. I'm pissed at hoarders. If that same dvd was there and there were 20 copies and some one took them all-that's hoarding. That's were my problem lies. Unfortunately, these same hoarders are reselling on ebay. They take nearly every (insert sale item here) so no one else can get it at that price. That's greed not "capitalism". If one copy of VJ was sitting on the shelf and someone bought it knowing it would sell on ebay, oh well. I missed out. But if there are 20 copies on there and somone took all 20 copies to sell on ebay, that's selfish. Do you see my point?
Too many people defend greed and selfishness it the name of "capitalism" and "consumerism". Call it what it truly is....[/quote]
i understand that, and that's why i say you should blame circuit city. i know it isn't 100%, but often stores will limit the amount of things you can buy in a clearance sale such as this. it just makes sense, limit the amount of copies per title, and chances are you will have more satisfied customers. the only problem with that is i doubt circuit city really cares, because all they want to do is get rid of the games. all i know is that when a circuit city employee told me that some guy bought 10 copies of mega man x7, i asked him "why would you let him?" to which he replied with "i don't know."
i agree that it's lame for people to go there and buy a ton of games for reselling purposes, but if the store is allowing them, there's nothing we can do. if all i had to do was grab a couple extra games, knowing i would make $20-30 a game, i'm not so sure i would pass that up either. i could definitely use the money, and chances are that most people could too.
in the end, it's only a few games anyways.
Too many people defend greed and selfishness it the name of "capitalism" and "consumerism". Call it what it truly is....[/quote]
i understand that, and that's why i say you should blame circuit city. i know it isn't 100%, but often stores will limit the amount of things you can buy in a clearance sale such as this. it just makes sense, limit the amount of copies per title, and chances are you will have more satisfied customers. the only problem with that is i doubt circuit city really cares, because all they want to do is get rid of the games. all i know is that when a circuit city employee told me that some guy bought 10 copies of mega man x7, i asked him "why would you let him?" to which he replied with "i don't know."
i agree that it's lame for people to go there and buy a ton of games for reselling purposes, but if the store is allowing them, there's nothing we can do. if all i had to do was grab a couple extra games, knowing i would make $20-30 a game, i'm not so sure i would pass that up either. i could definitely use the money, and chances are that most people could too.
in the end, it's only a few games anyways.
[quote name='LoganDX']I'm pissed at hoarders. If that same dvd was there and there were 20 copies and some one took them all-that's hoarding. That's were my problem lies. Unfortunately, these same hoarders are reselling on ebay. They take nearly every (insert sale item here) so no one else can get it at that price. That's greed not "capitalism". If one copy of VJ was sitting on the shelf and someone bought it knowing it would sell on ebay, oh well. I missed out. But if there are 20 copies on there and somone took all 20 copies to sell on ebay, that's selfish. Do you see my point?[/quote]
I don't think you have a point. There's nothing wrong with greed per se. It's only when people hurt others that we need to step in. And this is a free market; it's not the resellers' fault that you weren't there earlier to purchase the items, nor is it the store's.
Yes, it's selfish, it's greedy, but guess what - that's why circuit city's there in the first place!
I don't think you have a point. There's nothing wrong with greed per se. It's only when people hurt others that we need to step in. And this is a free market; it's not the resellers' fault that you weren't there earlier to purchase the items, nor is it the store's.
Yes, it's selfish, it's greedy, but guess what - that's why circuit city's there in the first place!
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i saw someone post here that they snatched all 10 copies of Disgaea ........disgusting.
[quote name='eldad9'][quote name='LoganDX']I'm pissed at hoarders. If that same dvd was there and there were 20 copies and some one took them all-that's hoarding. That's were my problem lies. Unfortunately, these same hoarders are reselling on ebay. They take nearly every (insert sale item here) so no one else can get it at that price. That's greed not "capitalism". If one copy of VJ was sitting on the shelf and someone bought it knowing it would sell on ebay, oh well. I missed out. But if there are 20 copies on there and somone took all 20 copies to sell on ebay, that's selfish. Do you see my point?[/quote]
I don't think you have a point. There's nothing wrong with greed per se. It's only when people hurt others that we need to step in. And this is a free market; it's not the resellers' fault that you weren't there earlier to purchase the items, nor is it the store's.
Yes, it's selfish, it's greedy, but guess what - that's why circuit city's there in the first place![/quote]
Of course you don't think I have a point, you don't see anything wrong with it. So I have no point, right? I retort-capitalism should not be used as an excuse for being selfishly greedy. Since I see it as black and white and you see it as a large grey area, you can defend it whereas I can't. The resellers were there before the doors opened with the sole intention of swiping up every last game so nobody else could buy them. It's disgusting. It's not a free market anymore when you have to in a sense beat down everyone else just to pick up something at a sale....
I don't think you have a point. There's nothing wrong with greed per se. It's only when people hurt others that we need to step in. And this is a free market; it's not the resellers' fault that you weren't there earlier to purchase the items, nor is it the store's.
Yes, it's selfish, it's greedy, but guess what - that's why circuit city's there in the first place![/quote]
Of course you don't think I have a point, you don't see anything wrong with it. So I have no point, right? I retort-capitalism should not be used as an excuse for being selfishly greedy. Since I see it as black and white and you see it as a large grey area, you can defend it whereas I can't. The resellers were there before the doors opened with the sole intention of swiping up every last game so nobody else could buy them. It's disgusting. It's not a free market anymore when you have to in a sense beat down everyone else just to pick up something at a sale....
I have great news! You're free to be as disgusted as you wish. You're still not making any sense. Particularly:
[quote name='LoganDX'] It's not a free market anymore when you have to in a sense beat down everyone else just to pick up something at a sale....[/quote]
But that's exactly what a free market is - if you want a product, you should be ready to pay according to supply and demand.
Do you also condemn the stock exchange? Everybody's there with the sole purpose of making a profit, and as soon as somebody figures out they can make a profit they try to buy all the stock they think would be profitable to own.
If not, think of commodities - such as games - as stocks that provide dividends (in this case entertainment).
[quote name='LoganDX'] It's not a free market anymore when you have to in a sense beat down everyone else just to pick up something at a sale....[/quote]
But that's exactly what a free market is - if you want a product, you should be ready to pay according to supply and demand.
Do you also condemn the stock exchange? Everybody's there with the sole purpose of making a profit, and as soon as somebody figures out they can make a profit they try to buy all the stock they think would be profitable to own.
If not, think of commodities - such as games - as stocks that provide dividends (in this case entertainment).
I'm glad I have your permission.
Buying up everything is still selfish greed. You are saying that it is okay for the rich to get richer while the poor get poorer in the case of the stock market.
So what's next- potatoes(or any food) go on sale at the grocery store. Someone says "Hey! I'll buy up all the potatoes before anyone else and resell them for 100x profit!" So say this Einstein runs around buying up all the potatoes in the area. It causes a shortage. People can't buy them at the store. The asshole starts hawking them at insane prices. He says "tough cookies if you can't afford them. It's free market. It's capitalism. It's supply and demand, get over it. I took the opportunity now you must pay or go without!" You can't explain economics to those people, they feel cheated, robbed, etc. Yet would you be defending that person if you were hungry? Could you look at your neighbor and say"Yeah he's right. We should have been here before the store opened and bought everything first"? No you couldn't. You'd be pissed too.
Just because we're talking about games versus food doesn't change things. We as a society are setting things up to be that way. If we allow that kind of shit to start with games, clothes, toys, etc. it will happen with precious resources...
Buying up everything is still selfish greed. You are saying that it is okay for the rich to get richer while the poor get poorer in the case of the stock market.
So what's next- potatoes(or any food) go on sale at the grocery store. Someone says "Hey! I'll buy up all the potatoes before anyone else and resell them for 100x profit!" So say this Einstein runs around buying up all the potatoes in the area. It causes a shortage. People can't buy them at the store. The asshole starts hawking them at insane prices. He says "tough cookies if you can't afford them. It's free market. It's capitalism. It's supply and demand, get over it. I took the opportunity now you must pay or go without!" You can't explain economics to those people, they feel cheated, robbed, etc. Yet would you be defending that person if you were hungry? Could you look at your neighbor and say"Yeah he's right. We should have been here before the store opened and bought everything first"? No you couldn't. You'd be pissed too.
Just because we're talking about games versus food doesn't change things. We as a society are setting things up to be that way. If we allow that kind of shit to start with games, clothes, toys, etc. it will happen with precious resources...
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