Tragedy in Iraq

that is definetly horrible, but this is the price of war. The people in the car disobeyed orders at a checkpoint, and looked what happend. If they did in fact have a car bomb then American GI's would have been killed.
 
[quote name='MrFriday18']that is definetly horrible, but this is the price of war. The people in the car disobeyed orders at a checkpoint, and looked what happend. If they did in fact have a car bomb then American GI's would have been killed.[/quote]

They didn't speak English. It is also within the realm of possiblity that the driver did not see the soldiers hand signals. He was driving a car with six kids in it, so he could have been distracted.

This is also an unnecessary war. There was no reason for us to rush in.
 
You can't really get angry at the soliders for this, they didn't stop (or at least slowed down) and they had to do what they had to do. It's very unfurnate that the family didn't stop at the check point, and I feel for the family. I can't even imagine how bad those soliders feel, even though there doing there job that still has to some psychological damage, and those kids... It's part of war, stuff like this happens , we all wish it didn't but it does.
 
[quote name='sisco1986']You can't really get angry at the soliders for this, they didn't stop (or at least slowed down) and they had to do what they had to do. It's very unfurnate that the family didn't stop at the check point, and I feel for the family. I can't even imagine how bad those soliders feel, even though there doing there job that still has to some psychological damage, and those kids... It's part of war, stuff like this happens , we all wish it didn't but it does.[/quote]

I'm not angry at the soldiers. I don't blame them at all. They really didn't have a choice. I do hope those soldiers are given some psychological help to deal with this, because I'm sure this incident will have an effect on them.

The blame can be put on W. For rushing into war and not listening to dissenting voices within his administration.

The blame can be put on the media, for rah-rahing the war and basically repeating anything the White House said without checking for accuracy. They also marginalized anyone who spoke out against the war.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']They should have stopped.[/quote]

yeah cause all Iraqis speak English. Anschlag!!!! You have no idea what this means, but someone with a gun is saying it to you. Its there country not ours, and we expect them to follow our rules. By that way thats stop in German. Of course u dont need to know that in America cause we speak English here, just like Iraqis shouldnt have to know English.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']They should have stopped.[/quote]

yeah cause all Iraqis speak English. Anschlag!!!! You have no idea what this means, but someone with a gun is saying it to you. Its there country not ours, and we expect them to follow our rules. By that way thats stop in German. Of course u dont need to know that in America cause we speak English here, just like Iraqis shouldnt have to know English.[/quote]

They should have known to stop anyway, and you don't need to speak english to understand warning shots.

It was a terrible incident, but the blame rest squarely and completely with the driver.
 
Yeah some making the USA look like shit. The soldiers were doing there jobs and they had to protect the checkpoint.

At least the kids will grow up more free than the parents ever did.
 
[quote name='David85']Yeah some making the USA look like shit. The soldiers were doing there jobs and they had to protect the checkpoint.

At least the kids will grow up more free than the parents ever did.[/quote]

If they get the chance to grow up.
 
They have a better chance now then with Suddam so shut the fuck up.

Maybe we should send you to North Korea, you seem to love that kind of government.
 
[quote name='ZarathosNY'][quote name='sisco1986']You can't really get angry at the soliders for this, they didn't stop (or at least slowed down) and they had to do what they had to do. It's very unfurnate that the family didn't stop at the check point, and I feel for the family. I can't even imagine how bad those soliders feel, even though there doing there job that still has to some psychological damage, and those kids... It's part of war, stuff like this happens , we all wish it didn't but it does.[/quote]

I'm not angry at the soldiers. I don't blame them at all. They really didn't have a choice. I do hope those soldiers are given some psychological help to deal with this, because I'm sure this incident will have an effect on them.

The blame can be put on W. For rushing into war and not listening to dissenting voices within his administration.

The blame can be put on the media, for rah-rahing the war and basically repeating anything the White House said without checking for accuracy. They also marginalized anyone who spoke out against the war.[/quote]


I very much so agree with you, but pointing fingers isn't going to solve a damn thing, fixing the problem is what I care about not bashing someone everytime something messed up happens. That's the problem, he fucked up this, he lied about that, bash bash bash, but no one ever brings up a solution for the problem or at least trys to put it in motion. That's what pisses me off the most, we can impeach a president because he lied about getting a blow job but when it comes to a war no one in the government or someone with some poltical influence raises a finger. I'll just keep wearing my apathy T-Shirt because I could say this on national Television infront of millions and it would fall on deaf ears.
 
[quote name='ZarathosNY']
They didn't speak English. [/quote]

WHen I spent time in Bosnia they taught us how to say stop in the local language. They even had cards that had phrases that we would probably have to use at some point in time. I'm sure the troops in Iraq are given the same treatment.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']They should have stopped.[/quote]

yeah cause all Iraqis speak English. Anschlag!!!! You have no idea what this means, but someone with a gun is saying it to you. Its there country not ours, and we expect them to follow our rules. By that way thats stop in German. Of course u dont need to know that in America cause we speak English here, just like Iraqis shouldnt have to know English.[/quote]

They should have known to stop anyway, and you don't need to speak english to understand warning shots.

It was a terrible incident, but the blame rest squarely and completely with the driver.[/quote]

This is indeed a horrific thing to happen, but I agree a bit with sblymnl. I'm sure they weren't just yelling in English. I stop driving when a police officer gives the hand signals, I can't hear them yell either. Also, there were probably signs and a vehicle checkpoint is pretty self explanatory from the way it's set up, they'd likely seen one before around especially if they were from around there.

While it's a horrible thing to have happened and I don't think the driver shouldn't carry all the blame or anything, you can't absolve him of it totally either just because they didn't speak English. Given the soldiers positions I would've done nothing differently, but hopefully this tragedy will be used a catalyst to think of ways to maybe prevent future similar tragedies.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']They should have stopped.[/quote]

yeah cause all Iraqis speak English. Anschlag!!!! You have no idea what this means, but someone with a gun is saying it to you. Its there country not ours, and we expect them to follow our rules. By that way thats stop in German. Of course u dont need to know that in America cause we speak English here, just like Iraqis shouldnt have to know English.[/quote]

They should have known to stop anyway, and you don't need to speak english to understand warning shots.

It was a terrible incident, but the blame rest squarely and completely with the driver.[/quote]

This is indeed a horrific thing to happen, but I agree a bit with sblymnl. I'm sure they weren't just yelling in English. I stop driving when a police officer gives the hand signals, I can't hear them yell either. Also, there were probably signs and a vehicle checkpoint is pretty self explanatory from the way it's set up, they'd likely seen one before around especially if they were from around there.

While it's a horrible thing to have happened and I don't think the driver shouldn't carry all the blame or anything, you can't absolve him of it totally either just because they didn't speak English. Given the soldiers positions I would've done nothing differently, but hopefully this tragedy will be used a catalyst to think of ways to maybe prevent future similar tragedies.[/quote]

Exactly. It's a war, stuff like this happens, and you have to give the soldiers every benefit of the doubt.

This is exactly why we need to be sure that a war is absolutely necessary before embarking on it.
 
[quote name='sisco1986'][quote name='ZarathosNY'][quote name='sisco1986']You can't really get angry at the soliders for this, they didn't stop (or at least slowed down) and they had to do what they had to do. It's very unfurnate that the family didn't stop at the check point, and I feel for the family. I can't even imagine how bad those soliders feel, even though there doing there job that still has to some psychological damage, and those kids... It's part of war, stuff like this happens , we all wish it didn't but it does.[/quote]

I'm not angry at the soldiers. I don't blame them at all. They really didn't have a choice. I do hope those soldiers are given some psychological help to deal with this, because I'm sure this incident will have an effect on them.

The blame can be put on W. For rushing into war and not listening to dissenting voices within his administration.

The blame can be put on the media, for rah-rahing the war and basically repeating anything the White House said without checking for accuracy. They also marginalized anyone who spoke out against the war.[/quote]


I very much so agree with you, but pointing fingers isn't going to solve a damn thing, fixing the problem is what I care about not bashing someone everytime something messed up happens. That's the problem, he shaq-fued up this, he lied about that, bash bash bash, but no one ever brings up a solution for the problem or at least trys to put it in motion. That's what pisses me off the most, we can impeach a president because he lied about getting a blow job but when it comes to a war no one in the government or someone with some poltical influence raises a finger. I'll just keep wearing my apathy T-Shirt because I could say this on national Television infront of millions and it would fall on deaf ears.[/quote]

I didn't post this to point fingers at anyone. I posted it because this wasn't mentioned at all in the media here, and this happened over a week ago.
My reply to who the blame falls on was to show that I do not blame the troops for what happened. We do need things like this to be reported here because we need to have an informed public as to what the consequences of our invasion were, and to being aware of what is going on over there. There is no discussion in the media if the course we are going on is the right way, or if there is some other alternative we should be exploring.
 
You are suggesting the media should be offering alternative strategy?
You can't trust them to report objectively or accurately in the first place but you want them to propogate an exit strategy? Now I know I've heard it all.

Please tell me you don't already realize that all that's usually reported is the deaths, bombings and other scattered violence followed by the term "in the face" or " in the shadow" of upcoming elections. We never hear of any of the good things we are trying to rebuild in Iraq if these dickheads would stop killing innocent Iraqis, police, and infrastructure, maybe we could get out of there a lot sooner and they could get their country back. One or two more stories of unfortunate deaths isn't going to make us any more 'informed' about the miserable situation there, is it?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']You are suggesting the media should be offering alternative strategy?
You can't trust them to report objectively or accurately in the first place but you want them to propogate an exit strategy? Now I know I've heard it all.

Please tell me you don't already realize that all that's usually reported is the deaths, bombings and other scattered violence followed by the term "in the face" or " in the shadow" of upcoming elections. We never hear of any of the good things we are trying to rebuild in Iraq if these dickheads would stop killing innocent Iraqis, police, and infrastructure, maybe we could get out of there a lot sooner and they could get their country back. One or two more stories of unfortunate deaths isn't going to make us any more 'informed' about the miserable situation there, is it?[/quote]

I'm suggesting that the media interview and show the opinion of people who are qualified with oppsoing views. I wouldn't trust most of the media in forming their own opinion, they've proven that they can't. Thev've shown that all they can do is parrot what the White house tells them.
You're not going to hear a lot of good things in Iraq when the bulk of it is bad. We can't get the power grid up consistantly. We can't get the infrastruct rebuilt. Unemployement is high. Maybe the Iraqi's would have liked us a lot better if we had hired Iraqi companies to rebuild everything instead of Halliburton. If they are working, people are less likely to want to join the insurgency.
 
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