TrueSkill, My Ass: A Call for a Mature XBL

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I posted this on my blog but seeing as how nobody except my close friends read it, I figured I'd post it here, too. Enjoy.

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"In a single night of Halo 3 beta, I have already been called a $$$$$$."
-- Tycho Brahe, Penny Arcade

Xbox Live has this thing called TrueSkill, wherein as one plays ranked multiplayer matches and gains more kills, points, whatever you want to call them, your profile ranks up in order to, hopefully, match you with players you will be challenged by. It's a good idea, but unfortunately there are flaws. Serious flaws.

I started tonight's gaming off with Rainbow Six: Vegas. I played a single player mission, Calypso Casino, on Realistic mode, for roughly 2.5 hours. It's fucking difficult, but it pays off: in the end I'm more skilled, at least with bots, than most other people who have only played it on Normal. This should also translate to better multiplayer ability, and of course, it'll get me some extra achievements on the way.

Once I finished the Calypso mission, I dropped into multiplayer on Xbox Live. At this point it was around 2:30am. Around this time there are few people online, some of them are from across the pond, and what have you, but there's always people playing. So I join a Sharpshooter match, and not five seconds later, I'm kicked out.

"Why am I being kicked," I ask myself. "Maybe it was a server thing, I dunno." So I try to join another, different match. Again, I am kicked almost immediately. "Okay, maybe it's because I don't have my headset plugged in." I plug in my headset and set it aside, because I don't want to be called a fag by a 12 year old boy. I join the match again, and I am kicked.

I start to realize that because I haven't played multiplayer that much--after all I only just started the single player campaign this week--I have a very poor rank of Private First Class. I try to join another game, and once again I am kicked.

At this point, I am getting angry. This is very offensive behavior. Just because I'm a low rank in R6V does not mean I don't know what the fuck I am doing. I've beaten Halo and Halo 2 several times. I've beaten the PC version Rainbow Six 3 on Elite, that's some hard shit. I've been gaming for 13 fucking years. I am a god damn game tester. Give me a fucking break.

I decide that the Vegas people are assholes, at least at 2:30am, and pop in GRAW 2. I've been playing this for the past couple weeks, and have been doing fairly well online. I log in, get to a Quick Match of Team Elimination, join the match... and I'm kicked out.

I am furious. I join another match and try to tell them that I'm not a noob, that I can hold my own. But as soon as I join it, all I hear is, "Jesus, deadgopher, get outta here you fucking idiot!" And then I'm kicked. So I join it again, if only to file a bad review of the stupid 14 year old who's hosting the match, but I can't file a player review if I haven't actually played with them.

I join another match. There are ranks between 6 and 10. Someone says, "Kick the one," and I am thusly kicked.

The next game I join, I start talking immediately. "Hold up, hold up, don't kick me," I beg. "I swear to you, I don't suck. I know I'm only rank 1, but seriously, it's just because I haven't played for a while. Just give me a chance, don't kick me, because I've been kicked from every other match tonight within five seconds. For god's sake, just let me play one round before I go to bed, then you guys can kick me out if you want."

"I dunno, it's up to the room," says the host. But they let me play.

And I slaughtered half the fucking room.

When I was playing GRAW online last year, this never happened. Everyone was happy to have anyone join their games and kick some ass. It was great. Not anymore. It's really a shame that this happens, and especially in deathmatch games, because if I really do suck, then you're just getting free points. Who's going to argue with that?

There needs to be an age filter on Xbox Live. I want to play only with mature people. It wouldn't be too hard to implement something like this. Xbox Live requires a birth date to verify age. Once that is set, you could set up the optional age filter with as broad or narrow range as you'd like. I'd set mine to age 21 and up. People on your friends list would automatically be exempt from this rule.

It's high time that Microsoft realized that people under the age of 18, for the most part, are fucking retards. The mature gamers are sick of their whiny voices, their offensive use of "rank profiling," and their tired schoolyard insults which mostly never range beyond the use of the word "fag." We want to game with people who just came home from work, too. Civilized, respectable, likable people. It's time for an adult's Xbox Live.
 
[quote name='redgopher']"In a single night of Halo 3 beta, I have already been called a $$$$$$."
-- Tycho Brahe, Penny Arcade[/QUOTE]
That's when I stopped reading.

Kidding.

Xbox Live = The People

It's kind of hard to get The People to change.

Further, how is this up to Microsoft to fix? Even further, how would they fix it? Even more further, and in first-hand experience, ADULTS seem to be more vile that the children.
 
[quote name='Brak']Even more further, and in first-hand experience, ADULTS seem to be more vile that the children.[/QUOTE]

They must be huffing a lot of helium to get their voices to sound like that.

I know it's not Microsoft's fault, but they could do something to help, like the age filter thing. Especially when they consider themselves the gamer's buddy, and claim to be so in touch with their demographic. Tonight it was painfully clear that, while they do a better job than Sony in terms of connecting with their consumers, they're still way, way off.

edit: I repeated myself because I am dead tired, it's 3:45am... so let me rephrase what I just deleted... here goes...

I want to be able to go online without my headset and not be written off as a) a noob, b) a fag or c) a stupid douche who bought a core system. I want to be able to join any game I want, regardless of how stupid TrueSkill can be at times, and not get kicked. People bitch about how Halo 2's matchmaking, but I think that was a huge step in the right direction. If you want to manage who you're playing against, do it in a fucking player match. Keep your personal god damn vendetta out of the rank system.
 
[quote name='Brak']Just don't let it bother you so much.[/QUOTE]

I'd love to but honestly when one spends half an hour trying to get into one measly online game, you tend to get pissed off.
 
I can see how that would annoy you OP, I'm surprised this happened to you so many times. I'm not that great a gamer online and I never have the headphones plugged in (which I know annoys some people) and I've never been kicked.

Maybe you can chalk some of this up to bad luck and the fact morons were hosting all the games you were trying to join.

I don't host very often but when I do I never kick people, I'm happy to have a room full of noobs, I'd stand much more of a chance that way;) .
 
[quote name='redgopher']I want to be able to go online without my headset and not be written off [/quote]
And I want to be able to communicate with my teammates in such team oriented games.

At least plug in your headset and don't put it on. Having a low rank in a game, plus no headset, while trying to get into high level rooms, thats not a winning formula. I would not want a player without a headset on my team, and I would not burden the other team with one.

Most people know that rank in a game doesn't mean much, people use other accounts all the time. But, you need to have that headset plugged in. Most people that don't wear headsets are garbage, not necessarily because of their 'skills', but because they don't know how to communicate and work as a team.

I would also take dastly's advice, its far more enjoyable when you're playing with at least one person you know, even if you only know them through XBL. I rarely play online without at least someone from my friends list.


I would like to see an age filtering system as you describe, though I'm not sure how effective it would be in the end. Most 12 year olds are using their parents credit cards, and would probably just have their parent's age on the account.
 
Calm down. I used to have Rainbow Six Vegas, and I was awful. However, I had no trouble getting into Live games. Just get over yourself and realize that your age filter idea is never going to happen. The majority of the younger kids (12-15) I've played with were polite and well-behaved. Same goes for older (21-up), more "mature" players; though I run into more douchebags of the college age than anyone else.

Seriously, if you let something so trivial get under your skin so much, maybe you should find something else to do at 2:30 A.M.... like, I don't know, sleep?
 
I agree with a lot of what the OP said, but the door swings both ways.

My son (who is 10) plays on my account, and he gets kicked because he's "a little kid". He's a damn good player, can play well as a member of a team, and treats noobs better than a lot of ppl I've seen.

One Saturday he was hosting a game of some FPS (can't remember which one since I have most of them) and a noob dropped in. I listened in and heard the guy tell my kid how cool it was that he was being helpful practically teaching the game to the guy and not being a dick about it.

In spite of that, he's kicked on a regular basis because he's a "little kid".

Age filter? XBL needs a dick filter.
 
[quote name='organicow']You can try some of the clans and teams at www.2old2play.com. They have an age restriction, and if you hang around the forums enough, you're bound to beef up your friends list with older gamers.[/QUOTE]
That would be my suggestion as well. I don't play enough multiplayer to justify taking up a slot on most people's friends lists anymore, but when I first started Halo 2 those guys were great. A couple of them even started a game with just us to show me stuff and let me practice on them.
 
This is something that can't be fixed unless people are straight up stopped from using Xbox Live at all. And obviously, that will never happen.
 
In UMK3, some people flip out when you don't have a headset. I mean, damn, sometimes I just wanna blast music when I play. And if a person is THAT concerned about a headset in a 1-on-1 competitive game, chances are that they're not gonna be pleasant anyway (most likely just looking to talk some shit).

If I'm playing my friends then sure, I put the headset on. But there are many times when I don't feel like starting converstations with strangers, especially in a game like that where you can jump from match to match rather quickly.

I do admit that it's kinda different with a team-oriented game though. But anyone should be allowed to explain themselves. If anything, I think I'm more likely to discriminate against people with retarded user names ("xXx I FUXED UR MOM," that kinda thing).
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']In UMK3, some people flip out when you don't have a headset. I mean, damn, sometimes I just wanna blast music when I play. And if a person is THAT concerned about a headset in a 1-on-1 competitive game, chances are that they're not gonna be pleasant anyway (most likely just looking to talk some shit).

If I'm playing my friends then sure, I put the headset on. But there are many times when I don't feel like starting converstations with strangers, especially in a game like that where you can jump from match to match rather quickly.

I do admit that it's kinda different with a team-oriented game though. But anyone should be allowed to explain themselves. If anything, I think I'm more likely to discriminate against people with retarded user names ("xXx I FUXED UR MOM," that kinda thing).[/QUOTE]

How will you explain yourself if you don't have your headset plugged in?

If I was playing a team-oriented game and I had the option to play with someone with a headset and someone without a headset, all other variables being equal, I would choose the one with the headset every time. If anyone is getting pissed because they're getting kicked for not playing with their headset, than man up and put the damn thing on or quit complaining.
 
XBL is so frustrating. I joined a game of Uno and got kicked in about 5 seconds while three highly intelligdent individuals yelled "omfg it's one of those Canadian fags kick the fag, we hate fucking Canadians get the fuck out of here you fucking canadian" then I was kicked.
 
Tip: populate your friends list with mature fun players. leave feedback on everyone - be it positive or negative. make sure you are in the most appropriate 'zone' ... these three things will help you find fun games much more appropriate to you.

also always have your headset plugged in and on your head or you won't realise if they're talking to you and that's pretty much a bootable offence in any game.

If all else fails, you could always start your own game - then you're in control.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']And I would not want a player without a headset on my team, and I would not burden the other team with one.

Most people know that rank in a game doesn't mean much, people use other accounts all the time. But, you need to have that headset plugged in. Most people that don't wear headsets are garbage, not necessarily because of their 'skills', but because they don't know how to communicate and work as a team.[/quote]

^^ all true.
 
I almost never wear the headset, but I also never play team games either. I only play games where it won't make a difference, admittedly I never play the popular games so I think people are more forgiving. But I don't talk to my real life friends on the phone so why would I want to talk to strangers.

In a perfect world OP's plan would be great but that won't happen until all the people over the age of 20 stop acting like assess too. There are people of every age that can be annoying and there is no way to stop them.

I think George Carlin put it best: "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
 
[quote name='Heavy Hitter']I agree with a lot of what the OP said, but the door swings both ways.

My son (who is 10) plays on my account, and he gets kicked because he's "a little kid". He's a damn good player, can play well as a member of a team, and treats noobs better than a lot of ppl I've seen.

One Saturday he was hosting a game of some FPS (can't remember which one since I have most of them) and a noob dropped in. I listened in and heard the guy tell my kid how cool it was that he was being helpful practically teaching the game to the guy and not being a dick about it.

In spite of that, he's kicked on a regular basis because he's a "little kid".

Age filter? XBL needs a dick filter.[/QUOTE]

This is different, and probably the exception to the rule. He sounds like a good kid. He may have skill but some people want to have a mature room and not worry about offending a 10 year old kid. Not everyone there is to compete on the highest level. Some just get together to have fun and shoot the shit and not worry about discussing inappropriate things with a child in the room.

However, that being said I can't say I've ever booted anyone unless they already proved in a prior match they are a dick.
 
Rainbow 6, I agree has pretty poor ranked matches. They don't even use TrueSkill, since you get to choose the match.

I too have had to deal with the constant booting of low ranked players like myself (we could always BOOST LOLZ!)

The best way, for me at least, to start to rank up, is to do co-op T-Hunt and co-op story. Not the most thrilling stuff, but it's better than getting booted every match.

Finally, Trueskill absolutely blows in UNO. I don't think it takes any consideration into people's ranks.
 
That's a very good point Corvin, and with his age that is something to be taken into consideration. I could definitely appreciate the intent in a situation like that - in fact, it did happen once. A guy told him somthing to the effect of "We're older guys and we tend to cuss a lot, so maybe you shouldn't play with us". That was very cool of the guy, so I messaged him and thanked him.

[quote name='Corvin']This is different, and probably the exception to the rule. He sounds like a good kid. He may have skill but some people want to have a mature room and not worry about offending a 10 year old kid. Not everyone there is to compete on the highest level. Some just get together to have fun and shoot the shit and not worry about discussing inappropriate things with a child in the room.

However, that being said I can't say I've ever booted anyone unless they already proved in a prior match they are a dick.[/QUOTE]
 
I think all rankings should be hidden. That would help a lot. If it's just a number used to match you up against equally skilled players, then who cares who sees it. I wish Halo 2 would've done that, and I hope Halo 3 does. Hide them all. If you want to have something to show how good you are, that's what the acheivements are for.

Think about it, that would render a lot of cheating, boosting, and deranking all pointless. Could drastically help the on-line experience.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Finally, Trueskill absolutely blows in UNO. I don't think it takes any consideration into people's ranks.[/QUOTE]

Not that they ever match you up with people equally skilled there ANYWAY. Uno has a nice system though where you can't boot or kick from ranked matches. You can't even view the gamer card in the lobby waiting for the game. Can't say I complain about that.

Could be worse, you could be ranked 34 in Catan, but have 0 wins like me. ;-)
 
[quote name='magiic']XBL is so frustrating. I joined a game of Uno and got kicked in about 5 seconds while three highly intelligdent individuals yelled "omfg it's one of those Canadian fags kick the fag, we hate fucking Canadians get the fuck out of here you fucking canadian" then I was kicked.[/quote]

OMFG you fake american, get the fuck out of here and move to a real country RAH! :applause:
 
[quote name='fathamburger']OMFG you fake american, get the fuck out of here and move to a real country RAH! :applause:[/quote]

haha I wasnt even trying to hide my Canadian identity I was wearing a Canucks shirt.
 
I agree that an age filter would be nice. Yeah, there will be those who get around it some how but an age filter based on gamer profiles would be great.
 
[quote name='magiic']haha I wasnt even trying to hide my Canadian identity I was wearing a Canucks shirt.[/QUOTE]

... I really hope you had your video camera hooked up, otherwise I'm not sure how they'd see this through a gamertag. ;-)

That and there are Americans who are Canucks fans. ;-)
 
I hardly play on XBL, ever. The reasons above are good enough to never go online, and I've only used my headset once to harass people that were being total assholes.

The only thing I can think of is to have a party do mass complaints against a user to hopefully get them banned.
 
I have played a ton of RS:V over the past few months and I never got kicked, private or sargeant or whatever, people will let you play. Especially in player matches. Ranked is more or less a cesspool of losers that team stack so they can look good. Vegas actually has one of the coolest/most mature communities around, IMO. And also you NEED to use the headset in Vegas team games. Not working together will almost always result in a loss. When I was starting out, I was afraid that I would be kicked, so I just kept the headset in and politely apologized for being new to the game and asked them to be patient, and people helped me out, gave me tips and such.

Gears is a total mess. You can't play ranked unless you have a team that all knows each other vs a team without headsets who is new to the game. That's aside from the huge problems the game inherently has.

I think you just had bad luck, and it could have happened anywhere, PC, PS3, or what have you.
 
I really like your idea of the "age filter" that would be pretty sweet. I know that there's clans out there for people over certain ages and such, or even CAG matches, but we all know how hard it is to try to get a large group of people you know to play the same game at a specific time. It would be cool to join random matches with mature players at any time. It does seem like a really hard issue to control though, but if they did "fix" it, it would make the Live experience way more enjoyable.
 
If you are looking to play Rainbow Six Vegas just add me my clans rooms are pretty fun and we have a good time. If you don't mind the occasional "Shields Only" match ;)
 
I agree that an age filter would be nice. Yeah, there will be those who get around it some how but an age filter based on gamer profiles would be great.


I think what people tend to forget is that Microsoft launched Xbox Live with the closest that we'll ever get to a legitimate "age filter", i.e. requiring a credit card to register (even if you could use prepaid cards to actually pay).

There is nothing in gaming that gets me more riled up than the online 'community' (how's that for ironic terminology?). While I'm not going to say it's never going to improve, we're years away from that happening. It will take more than just the efforts of the console manufacturers, who only want maximum revenue flow, of course. I also think that Microsoft, to a degree, encourages obnoxious behavior, as they've always marketed the Live 'experience' around the headset and shaggy-haired, teenage jeans models making 'extreme' faces while 'talking smack' to one another. Hell, did anyone ever see that Xbox Live demo disc from 2002 with the 'Dell Computer guy' type and his 'friend', the 'Screech'-doppleganger?

Live just indisputably demonstrates gamers for what they collectively are: a bunch of amoral, emotionally-challenged, and cowardly assholes that are usually white males between 10-25 years of age. How many mature and civil types have tried Live in the past, had bad experience after bad experience, and just said "fuck that," and never came back? This, in turn, elevates the A-hole Quotient, and makes it even more likely that new daring souls will have an even worse experience. I think you can see where this is going.

Playing with only "friends" is a chore for many of us, and can get stale quickly, too. Plus, a lot of people send friend invites not so much because you were awesome and/or cool, but because they're just that desperate for someone who resembles a decent human being embedded with some semblance of sportsmanship and a fundamental understanding of the 'spirit' of a given game. I've received more than one request based on one silent game of competitive Robotron. Seriously.

The inclusion of the headset promotes the bullshit, shows like Madden Nation teach lowlifes how to be future Springer guests and really 'bring it' online in the meantime, and the overall online experience ANYWHERE has a default tone of CONFRONTATIONAL. It's all why whenever I hear Shawn Elliot from 1up doing one of his voices, I know exactly who he's talking about and smile with grim satisfaction that he knows these people, too.

Then again, Elliott is a confessed "griefer", so...there you go.
 
[quote name='psychobrawler']I think all rankings should be hidden. That would help a lot. If it's just a number used to match you up against equally skilled players, then who cares who sees it. I wish Halo 2 would've done that, and I hope Halo 3 does. Hide them all. If you want to have something to show how good you are, that's what the acheivements are for.

Think about it, that would render a lot of cheating, boosting, and deranking all pointless. Could drastically help the on-line experience.[/quote]

Hidden rankings would work for people that get kicked, that would actually be tight. I'd say have the rankings hidden with strangers, and have rankings show only to your friends, just like the personal gamerpic. This would work!

Now to take care of the swearing 12 year olds, I'd still want an age filter.
 
[quote name='MrNEWZ']... I really hope you had your video camera hooked up, otherwise I'm not sure how they'd see this through a gamertag. ;-)

That and there are Americans who are Canucks fans. ;-)[/quote]

ya I had my camera on :) lol
 
Seriously, does anyone have any even semi-practical suggestions on how to implement an age filter? Brats are going to get weak-kneed parents to be their accomplices in online terror no matter what Microsonyntendo would do.
 
Op is arguing about a couple different things to make one point that doesn't seem related.
1. skill rankings for individual games
2. Headset usage online
3. Age restriction for xbox live
As to 1. yea It's gonna be like that in rainbow six vegas, Ubi made it so only skill shown in the lobby is vegas skill, which isn't bad imho. If the last guy coming into a room where I've been getting the crap kicked out of me is only a private, I'm gonna ask the host to boot so the match will be more even. Honestly, I bet you did well in that match, but will you understand when I tell you the enemy team is taking the canister over the middle bridge in kill house? For a game that requires a pretty deep knowledge of the maps and tactics - ranking by individual games ain't all bad. Just play for two or three nights in a row and you'll rank up past private. It is usually just the private rank that gets booted. Get past private and you'll be cool.
2. I expect you to use a headset in most live games. Team games are usually won by the coordinated team. Do you hear me when I tell you to go to the lower team in R6:V in the lobby, or are you busy listening to music and holding up my game from starting? No response will get you booted from my lobby. Less team oriented games such as MK3 I could care less.
3. Age restrictions, Why would you want to cut out potential gamers permanently? Some games are hard to get a full room together. I could see a age restricted zone in Live, where you can pop in and out of it, but a hard and fast seperate live system would just blow and create more problems. Just leave a room that has dicks and complaint em.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']In UMK3, some people flip out when you don't have a headset. I mean, damn, sometimes I just wanna blast music when I play. And if a person is THAT concerned about a headset in a 1-on-1 competitive game, chances are that they're not gonna be pleasant anyway (most likely just looking to talk some shit).

If I'm playing my friends then sure, I put the headset on. But there are many times when I don't feel like starting converstations with strangers, especially in a game like that where you can jump from match to match rather quickly.

I do admit that it's kinda different with a team-oriented game though. But anyone should be allowed to explain themselves. If anything, I think I'm more likely to discriminate against people with retarded user names ("xXx I FUXED UR MOM," that kinda thing).[/QUOTE]
I remember when I was playing 1vs1 in Halo 2 I would plug in my headset after we started and leave it on mute and people would either be completely silent as well or be cussing about how I didn't have a headset.
 
[quote name='magiic']XBL is so frustrating. I joined a game of Uno and got kicked in about 5 seconds while three highly intelligdent individuals yelled "omfg it's one of those Canadian fags kick the fag, we hate fucking Canadians get the fuck out of here you fucking canadian" then I was kicked.[/quote]

And thank god you were wearing the headset, so you could hear all the abuse.:roll:
 
And if a person is THAT concerned about a headset in a 1-on-1 competitive game, chances are that they're not gonna be pleasant anyway (most likely just looking to talk some shit).

Egg...

...zact...

...lee.

Don't give 'em the satisfaction.
 
This thread has really slided OT, but I'll respond to a few things:

- Headsets: Should you wear Headsets in R6:V, probably. Do I get pissed when someone doesn't? Ya, but I don't start bitching about it. Moreso in Ranked Games than anything, it's a real pain when you're not sure what someone is doing or why. You don't even have to say much, but an "opening door" over the headset can be a lifesaver.

Do you need to wear one when playing casual games? No. I rarely do in UNO (unless with friends). The only times I have is when there's a really intelligent conversation going on (once in about 50 games) or someone is being a punk (usually aged 10-15). I had one kid the other day keep shouting "Wowous is Gay" everytime I played a card. I put on my headset and explained to him that I was going to mute him if he didn't shut up, and then his cries for attention would be irrelevant. He shut up.

The only thing that really bugs me about headsets are people blasting their own music into it. Why do I want to hear your music? Hint: I don't.

- Age restrictions: not gonna happen. Sorry guys, as everyone else has said, whens the last time an age restriction has worked for anything? It's not like 90% of underage college students drink alcohol right?
 
Jer brought up a good point, that this happens almost everywhere... gaming on the PC, online, for a long time, I actually had to stop and think about the OP. I mean, I've encountered some shitty people on the PC, mostly in Counter Strike Source, but I never got as pissed playing on the PC as I did on XBL listening to the comments coming from people.

And then I realized what it was.

PC games, for the most part, nobody really uses a headset... everything is typed. When someone calls you a "fucking cuntwad $$$$$$", in text, it's pretty easy to ignore it. However, on XBL, when someone calls you that same thing, it is directly in your ear, in some whiny voice so you can hear the satisfaction that some smug little asshole gets from using his expanded vocabulary.

I guess that's why I never got online much with XBL, because besides people from CAG, every time I put that headset on I had to listen to people spewing obscenities and acting like douches in my ear the entire time I played. And if I want that, I'd call up my ex to bother me while I was gaming.

So yea, while it happens everywhere, I wonder if it's the fact that now we can put a voice (and sometimes a face) behind the idiocy that makes this sting so much worse? I mean, I've never heard PC Gamers say "Hey, don't play random people online, just play with your friends", but it seems to be a common thing for XBL people to say to avoid the douche bags.

Now with Xbox Live Anywhere, PC gamers will now get to see what it's like listening to vile 12 year old d-bags scream into their ear. But yea, I'm just wondering if the transistion from text ---> voice is this bad, imagine what it's like when it's finally voice ---> seeing a video of a real person in all situations. I can only imagine it's going to get worse.
 
To the guy with the 10 year old son: I've no doubt he's a good player, I mean, the chances are slim that a child raised by a gamer is going to turn out an incorrigable douchebag.

To those who are suggesting I play only player matches: Player matches aren't nearly as populated as ranked matches, not to mention that you don't get achievements for playing player matches.

I suppose it was poor journalism to end with the age filter thing... I realize that it's not just ages that govern who's a douche and who isn't. I guess it would have been better to end that rant with the Halo 2 matchmaking thing. So far I've had everyone here at work in the studio agree with me that Halo 2's matchmaking kicked ass (with the exception of not being able to select your gametype).
 
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