U.S. Immigration is so effed

At risk of getting kicked out of the Tea Party Club - why should proof of residence be required for getting a job?

If illegal immigrants are denied employment, then we simply end up with a bunch of people who either A) are 'forced' to commit crimes to get by, B) are 'forced' to live off the public teat to get by or C) are 'forced' to get jobs that are already out of compliance with Federal law, so are more likely to break other Federal employment guidelines. (I say 'forced', as these people *could* always leave the country).

If they're good people and they want to work, let 'em work. Let 'em pay taxes. Welcome to America.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']At risk of getting kicked out of the Tea Party Club - why should proof of residence be required for getting a job?

If illegal immigrants are denied employment, then we simply end up with a bunch of people who either A) are 'forced' to commit crimes to get by, B) are 'forced' to live off the public teat to get by or C) are 'forced' to get jobs that are already out of compliance with Federal law, so are more likely to break other Federal employment guidelines. (I say 'forced', as these people *could* always leave the country).

If they're good people and they want to work, let 'em work. Let 'em pay taxes. Welcome to America.[/QUOTE]
The reason why this will never happen is because it allows US businesses to keep wages low across the entire economic spectrum. There are already rampant labor law violations in many industries, so even the laws that we DO have on the books are knowingly unenforced. There's tons more money to be made keeping them second-class non-citizens than having them just be second-class citizens.
 
Yeah, it would lead to huge labor law problems.

And most illegals aren't going to be paying income taxes as they probably mostly lack social security cards and don't want to be in the system etc.

So you get lots of below minimum wage jobs and no tax revenue.

The key is to do a better job of punishing people who hire illegals, and also expand vastly the number of peopel we allow to legally immigrate and work in this country.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']The key is to do a better job of punishing people who hire illegals, and also expand vastly the number of peopel we allow to legally immigrate and work in this country.[/QUOTE]

Bingo. For once we are in 100% agreement.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, it would lead to huge labor law problems.

And most illegals aren't going to be paying income taxes as they probably mostly lack social security cards and don't want to be in the system etc.

So you get lots of below minimum wage jobs and no tax revenue.

The key is to do a better job of punishing people who hire illegals, and also expand vastly the number of peopel we allow to legally immigrate and work in this country.[/QUOTE]

How would it lead to any larger labor law problems than we have now? Right now, if someone is here illegally and they get a job, they can't report *any* abuse for fear that they'll be deported.
I'm proposing that the simple act of "being here" is not something you can get deported for. Having an honest job is not something you can be deported for. Paying your taxes is not something to get deported for.

Sure, you're a non-citizen who commits a crime (like, not Jaywalking or such, but robbery, murder, rape, shoplifting, etc.), then you should be expedited out of the country. To some extent, if you're here and you're doing nothing but using resources (schools, emergency rooms, various forms of welfare) and you're not showing any evidence of providing for the country, then deportation should be an option. But if you're here, you're working, you're paying taxes... Come on in.
 
The problem is, do you keep laws on the books against entering this country under the radar or do you want totally open borders?

I'm to the point now where I don't care which I just want consistency.

I am not for deporting every person that entered this country illegally, but it should be a case by case process of deciding what to do with them.

If someone is working hard, paying taxes, isn't a criminal and admits to entering the country illegally - then fine them for breaking the law and put them in the green card wait list. But you can't simply just have amnesty and erase crimes if we are a nation of laws.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']How would it lead to any larger labor law problems than we have now? Right now, if someone is here illegally and they get a job, they can't report *any* abuse for fear that they'll be deported.
I'm proposing that the simple act of "being here" is not something you can get deported for. Having an honest job is not something you can be deported for. Paying your taxes is not something to get deported for.

Sure, you're a non-citizen who commits a crime (like, not Jaywalking or such, but robbery, murder, rape, shoplifting, etc.), then you should be expedited out of the country. To some extent, if you're here and you're doing nothing but using resources (schools, emergency rooms, various forms of welfare) and you're not showing any evidence of providing for the country, then deportation should be an option. But if you're here, you're working, you're paying taxes... Come on in.[/QUOTE]


This may be the first and only time I will ever agree with what you are saying.

Just make them pay a fine for committing a crime and allow them to work towards getting legal documentation. I want insured motorists on the roads and people who can live open and free. We clearly should do more to protect our borders to try and stem the flow of illegal immigrants, but it isn't worth the time or energy to deport everyone. Just punish them for their action and create an immigration policy that works.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']How would it lead to any larger labor law problems than we have now? Right now, if someone is here illegally and they get a job, they can't report *any* abuse for fear that they'll be deported.
I'm proposing that the simple act of "being here" is not something you can get deported for. Having an honest job is not something you can be deported for. Paying your taxes is not something to get deported for.

Sure, you're a non-citizen who commits a crime (like, not Jaywalking or such, but robbery, murder, rape, shoplifting, etc.), then you should be expedited out of the country. To some extent, if you're here and you're doing nothing but using resources (schools, emergency rooms, various forms of welfare) and you're not showing any evidence of providing for the country, then deportation should be an option. But if you're here, you're working, you're paying taxes... Come on in.[/QUOTE]

Isn't that what the Obama admin. started doing this week in the way they're using enforcement discretion to deport some people and not others? May not be exactly this, but similar to it.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, it would lead to huge labor law problems.

And most illegals aren't going to be paying income taxes as they probably mostly lack social security cards and don't want to be in the system etc.

So you get lots of below minimum wage jobs and no tax revenue.

The key is to do a better job of punishing people who hire illegals, and also expand vastly the number of peopel we allow to legally immigrate and work in this country.[/QUOTE]

Also, (to play Devil's Advocate) working illegal isn't good for the illegal immigrant either. when they're working illegally the employer isn't obligated to offer them any of the benefits "legal" employees get. Things like health benefits, pensions, unemployment insurance, etc.
 
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