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Mmm, most of your links are from last year. And currently there are no blueray porn titles available. Only hdvd
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[quote name='apokalipze2']Mmm, most of your links are from last year. And currently there are no blueray porn titles available. Only hdvd[/QUOTE]
Yea, it looks like there are some porn studios backing HD-DVD. Although all porn isn't lumped into one category. It seems like there are more porn studios backing blu-ray though, and the major is as well (vivid):
http://www.tvpredictions.com/hirsch111006.htm
Yea, it looks like there are some porn studios backing HD-DVD. Although all porn isn't lumped into one category. It seems like there are more porn studios backing blu-ray though, and the major is as well (vivid):
http://www.tvpredictions.com/hirsch111006.htm
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[quote name='dpatel']Yea, it looks like there are some porn studios backing HD-DVD. Although all porn isn't lumped into one category. It seems like there are more porn studios backing blu-ray though, and the major is as well (vivid):
http://www.tvpredictions.com/hirsch111006.htm[/QUOTE]
I think the reason porn did so well on dvd was that they basically converted vhs masters to DVD. Most of the porn dvd's were very bad authors. The only way they'd make high definitioin porn is to shoot new porn in high definition which is way too expensive in an industry where they cut every corner and the market is too saturated. plus who'd want to see real bodies in high definition? even the hottest chick would look disgusting with every pore and hair showing.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/hirsch111006.htm[/QUOTE]
I think the reason porn did so well on dvd was that they basically converted vhs masters to DVD. Most of the porn dvd's were very bad authors. The only way they'd make high definitioin porn is to shoot new porn in high definition which is way too expensive in an industry where they cut every corner and the market is too saturated. plus who'd want to see real bodies in high definition? even the hottest chick would look disgusting with every pore and hair showing.
I have to admit, the BR camp did announce alot of great stuff at CES. Numerous Lions Gate films and such I will be buying.. As a HD-DVD fan, it kinda sucks that there have been little to no announcements, but CES is not over yet.
Here is a few snippets from some press releases...
Blu-ray Disc Association declares victory over HD DVD
:lol:
Sony...they must have the biggest balls in history. So they SHIPPED a million PS3s...congratulations, lets take a walk into any store and see stacks of them on the floor. Lets congratulate them with software sales STILL below HD-DVD, lets congratulate them on STILL, with Blu-Ray inside of PS3, having a higher 'start' price then HD. Yeah Sony, lets give it up for that victory!
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Wow. I can't even comment when a pack-in PS3 movie, a horrible transfer, the first 50GB disc, and a INCREDIBLY BAD movie are in the top 5. My god. Didn't I read earlier that MI3 was the #1 selling BR movie? Why is it not on this list?
Here is a few snippets from some press releases...
Blu-ray Disc Association declares victory over HD DVD
:lol:
Sony...they must have the biggest balls in history. So they SHIPPED a million PS3s...congratulations, lets take a walk into any store and see stacks of them on the floor. Lets congratulate them with software sales STILL below HD-DVD, lets congratulate them on STILL, with Blu-Ray inside of PS3, having a higher 'start' price then HD. Yeah Sony, lets give it up for that victory!
Top 5
Wow. I can't even comment when a pack-in PS3 movie, a horrible transfer, the first 50GB disc, and a INCREDIBLY BAD movie are in the top 5. My god. Didn't I read earlier that MI3 was the #1 selling BR movie? Why is it not on this list?
[quote name='clayfu']i dont think there are any stores with stacks of ps3's.
but that just might be my flawed little chinese eyes[/QUOTE]
It is. Best Buy had ATLEAST 15 of them today. K-Mart had 2, Target had both PS3/PS2 cases filled with them. They are EVERYWHERE.
but that just might be my flawed little chinese eyes[/QUOTE]
It is. Best Buy had ATLEAST 15 of them today. K-Mart had 2, Target had both PS3/PS2 cases filled with them. They are EVERYWHERE.
[quote name='gizmogc']
Wow. I can't even comment when a pack-in PS3 movie, a horrible transfer, the first 50GB disc, and a INCREDIBLY BAD movie are in the top 5. My god. Didn't I read earlier that MI3 was the #1 selling BR movie? Why is it not on this list?[/QUOTE]
It could be that they only included blu-ray exclusive movies in that list.
As far as the rest of your post, I could declare myself the president of the planet but that don't make it so.
[quote name='gizmogc']It is. Best Buy had ATLEAST 15 of them today. K-Mart had 2, Target had both PS3/PS2 cases filled with them. They are EVERYWHERE.[/QUOTE]
This man speaks the truth, the only way you can't find a PS3 in stores now is if you're living in Europe...
Wow. I can't even comment when a pack-in PS3 movie, a horrible transfer, the first 50GB disc, and a INCREDIBLY BAD movie are in the top 5. My god. Didn't I read earlier that MI3 was the #1 selling BR movie? Why is it not on this list?[/QUOTE]
It could be that they only included blu-ray exclusive movies in that list.
As far as the rest of your post, I could declare myself the president of the planet but that don't make it so.
[quote name='gizmogc']It is. Best Buy had ATLEAST 15 of them today. K-Mart had 2, Target had both PS3/PS2 cases filled with them. They are EVERYWHERE.[/QUOTE]
This man speaks the truth, the only way you can't find a PS3 in stores now is if you're living in Europe...
[quote name='gizmogc']Sony...they must have the biggest balls in history. So they SHIPPED a million PS3s...congratulations, lets take a walk into any store and see stacks of them on the floor. Lets congratulate them with software sales STILL below HD-DVD, lets congratulate them on STILL, with Blu-Ray inside of PS3, having a higher 'start' price then HD. Yeah Sony, lets give it up for that victory![/QUOTE]
What happened to HD-DVD having cheaper movies, or better PQ? Or are you now done with that argument?
If we are talking about PS3 sales solely in regards to it as a blu-ray player, I would say it is pretty successful. Unless you want me to believe that HD-DVD are sold out everywhere. Remember, you are speaking about the PS3 as a blu-ray player. In that respect, I would say it is selling pretty well. I realize that most people did not buy it to watch movies, but if the BDA wants to throw out usual PR bull by citing PS3 sales, then thats fine. But the fact that the PS3s aren't sold out anywhere really doesn't mean much when we are comparing it to HD-DVD players that are just the same situation.
FYI. Blu-ray Disc Association =/= Sony. Sony is a part of it, but there are plenty of big name companies involved. You may want to blame Sony because they got your sale and were the most aggressive in their tactics, but just remember they are not one in the same.
EDIT: I noticed you were keeping up with CES, so I thought I would put in a few key points of my own. You missed quite a big portion of the show:
Quick question, what does PIP and BDJ stand for? It was stated here:
"-The Decent was 50GB and is the first with PIP, and has BDJ."
I thought PIP was picture in picture.
[quote name='gizmogc']Wow. I can't even comment when a pack-in PS3 movie, a horrible transfer, the first 50GB disc, and a INCREDIBLY BAD movie are in the top 5. My god. Didn't I read earlier that MI3 was the #1 selling BR movie? Why is it not on this list?[/QUOTE]
So you must own all of these movies, right? :lol:
What happened to HD-DVD having cheaper movies, or better PQ? Or are you now done with that argument?
If we are talking about PS3 sales solely in regards to it as a blu-ray player, I would say it is pretty successful. Unless you want me to believe that HD-DVD are sold out everywhere. Remember, you are speaking about the PS3 as a blu-ray player. In that respect, I would say it is selling pretty well. I realize that most people did not buy it to watch movies, but if the BDA wants to throw out usual PR bull by citing PS3 sales, then thats fine. But the fact that the PS3s aren't sold out anywhere really doesn't mean much when we are comparing it to HD-DVD players that are just the same situation.
FYI. Blu-ray Disc Association =/= Sony. Sony is a part of it, but there are plenty of big name companies involved. You may want to blame Sony because they got your sale and were the most aggressive in their tactics, but just remember they are not one in the same.
EDIT: I noticed you were keeping up with CES, so I thought I would put in a few key points of my own. You missed quite a big portion of the show:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/live-coverage-from-bda-press-conference/
Quick question, what does PIP and BDJ stand for? It was stated here:
"-The Decent was 50GB and is the first with PIP, and has BDJ."
I thought PIP was picture in picture.
[quote name='gizmogc']Wow. I can't even comment when a pack-in PS3 movie, a horrible transfer, the first 50GB disc, and a INCREDIBLY BAD movie are in the top 5. My god. Didn't I read earlier that MI3 was the #1 selling BR movie? Why is it not on this list?[/QUOTE]
So you must own all of these movies, right? :lol:
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Quick question, what does PIP and BDJ stand for? It was stated here:
"-The Decent was 50GB and is the first with PIP, and has BDJ."
I thought PIP was picture in picture.[/QUOTE]
Both have to deal with the interactive features. PiP I'm guessing is in fact picture-in-picture, things like an interactive commentary track laid over the on going movie. BDJ IIRC, is the Java-based system Blu-ray uses to run it's interactive feautres.
Quick question, what does PIP and BDJ stand for? It was stated here:
"-The Decent was 50GB and is the first with PIP, and has BDJ."
I thought PIP was picture in picture.[/QUOTE]
Both have to deal with the interactive features. PiP I'm guessing is in fact picture-in-picture, things like an interactive commentary track laid over the on going movie. BDJ IIRC, is the Java-based system Blu-ray uses to run it's interactive feautres.
[quote name='gizmogc']
Wow. I can't even comment when a pack-in PS3 movie, a horrible transfer, the first 50GB disc, and a INCREDIBLY BAD movie are in the top 5. My god. Didn't I read earlier that MI3 was the #1 selling BR movie? Why is it not on this list?[/quote]
Which was the Bad movie ?=/ Which was the first 50 GB disc? and which was the horrible transfer? I haven't looked at blue ray movies yet so I don't know which is in reference to which....srry =/
Wow. I can't even comment when a pack-in PS3 movie, a horrible transfer, the first 50GB disc, and a INCREDIBLY BAD movie are in the top 5. My god. Didn't I read earlier that MI3 was the #1 selling BR movie? Why is it not on this list?[/quote]
Which was the Bad movie ?=/ Which was the first 50 GB disc? and which was the horrible transfer? I haven't looked at blue ray movies yet so I don't know which is in reference to which....srry =/
Supposedly The Descent simulates picture-in-picture by actually having two versions of the movie on the disc -- one normal and one with the video commentary burned in the corner. This is in contrast to HD-DVD which has support for two simultaneous video streams (if what I have read is correct, this is one of the few places where it can claim technical superiority). But I guess Blu-ray's extra storage space allows it to do it this way and not sacrifice quality, so I suppose it doesn't matter that much how they achieved it.
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The makers of the dual HDDVD and BluRay player are the true winners, I'm jumping on their boat.
[quote name='dallow']Blu-Ray is killing in Japan, sheesh.
I really want to pick up The Descent just to see the fancy features. Don't care too much about the film itself.[/QUOTE]
Not quite, there's a reason why they reported that Japanese number as a percentage rather than a hard number, HD means squat in Japan right now. So to sum it up, 96% of 100 is only 96 (not actual numbers but it shows you how reporting as a percentage can make it sound bigger than it actually is.
I really want to pick up The Descent just to see the fancy features. Don't care too much about the film itself.[/QUOTE]
Not quite, there's a reason why they reported that Japanese number as a percentage rather than a hard number, HD means squat in Japan right now. So to sum it up, 96% of 100 is only 96 (not actual numbers but it shows you how reporting as a percentage can make it sound bigger than it actually is.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Not quite, there's a reason why they reported that Japanese number as a percentage rather than a hard number, HD means squat in Japan right now. So to sum it up, 96% of 100 is only 96 (not actual numbers but it shows you how reporting as a percentage can make it sound bigger than it actually is.[/QUOTE]
Well, if you look at the HD market as a whole, it is pretty insignicant all over the world. Also, where did you hear this?
Well, if you look at the HD market as a whole, it is pretty insignicant all over the world. Also, where did you hear this?
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[quote name='RedvsBlue']Not quite, there's a reason why they reported that Japanese number as a percentage rather than a hard number, HD means squat in Japan right now. So to sum it up, 96% of 100 is only 96 (not actual numbers but it shows you how reporting as a percentage can make it sound bigger than it actually is.[/QUOTE]
actually, I think the japanese consumers are way ahead of us in terms of embracing new technology, especially in the media department. (games, computers, cellphones, etc)
actually, I think the japanese consumers are way ahead of us in terms of embracing new technology, especially in the media department. (games, computers, cellphones, etc)
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I don't have any links or anything to back up what I said but from what I've heard on a couple podcasts (including Cheapy on CAGCast) its not very important over in Japan at all.[/QUOTE]
It's really not that important anywhere. The fact that HD-DVD is beating Blu-ray in sales right now doesn't mean to much, since they are both very early in their lives and the next 3-4 years will be more important than the initial launch.
It's really not that important anywhere. The fact that HD-DVD is beating Blu-ray in sales right now doesn't mean to much, since they are both very early in their lives and the next 3-4 years will be more important than the initial launch.
[quote name='dpatel']It's really not that important anywhere. The fact that HD-DVD is beating Blu-ray in sales right now doesn't mean to much, since they are both very early in their lives and the next 3-4 years will be more important than the initial launch.[/QUOTE]
I think we can all agree on that fact.
I think we can all agree on that fact.
Looks like Blu-ray and HD-DVD keep trying to one-up each other. Now blu-ray announced a 200GB disc, as well as a mini blu-ray disc capable of 16.5GB
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/08/ces2007_200gb_blu-ray/
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/08/ces2007_200gb_blu-ray/
[quote name='dpatel']Looks like Blu-ray and HD-DVD keep trying to one-up each other. Now blu-ray announced a 200GB disc, as well as a mini blu-ray disc capable of 16.5GB
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/08/ces2007_200gb_blu-ray/[/QUOTE]
Maybe we have it all wrong, maybe the next gen a/v war is all about who can cram the most shit on one disc?
Seriously, why do they keep trying to make the discs so big? Movies don't take up that much space on them and the dark side of the news about the multilayers is that they aren't even profitable to make.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/08/ces2007_200gb_blu-ray/[/QUOTE]
Maybe we have it all wrong, maybe the next gen a/v war is all about who can cram the most shit on one disc?
Seriously, why do they keep trying to make the discs so big? Movies don't take up that much space on them and the dark side of the news about the multilayers is that they aren't even profitable to make.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']
Maybe we have it all wrong, maybe the next gen a/v war is all about who can cram the most shit on one disc?
Seriously, why do they keep trying to make the discs so big? Movies don't take up that much space on them and the dark side of the news about the multilayers is that they aren't even profitable to make.[/QUOTE]
Yea, forget the fact that there are plenty of good movies that need to be released on hd-dvd/blu-ray, lets concentrate on making a big disc that we probably won't use any time soon!
Maybe we have it all wrong, maybe the next gen a/v war is all about who can cram the most shit on one disc?
Seriously, why do they keep trying to make the discs so big? Movies don't take up that much space on them and the dark side of the news about the multilayers is that they aren't even profitable to make.[/QUOTE]
Yea, forget the fact that there are plenty of good movies that need to be released on hd-dvd/blu-ray, lets concentrate on making a big disc that we probably won't use any time soon!
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[quote name='OzCatter']The makers of the dual HDDVD and BluRay player are the true winners, I'm jumping on their boat.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's just
in' genius. 
$1,100 = 20GB PS3, Premium Xbox 360, HDDVD player attachment.
$1,200 = LG brand HDDVD/Blu-Ray player.
Yeah, that's just
in' genius. $1,100 = 20GB PS3, Premium Xbox 360, HDDVD player attachment.
$1,200 = LG brand HDDVD/Blu-Ray player.
[quote name='dpatel']Yea, forget the fact that there are plenty of good movies that need to be released on hd-dvd/blu-ray, lets concentrate on making a big disc that we probably won't use any time soon![/QUOTE]
Wait, are you telling me that Ultraviolet, Doom, and Aeon Flux aren't the titles that people want their high definition players for?!?!? SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!!
Wait, are you telling me that Ultraviolet, Doom, and Aeon Flux aren't the titles that people want their high definition players for?!?!? SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!!
[quote name='mykevermin']Yeah, that's just in' genius.
$1,100 = 20GB PS3, Premium Xbox 360, HDDVD player attachment.
$1,200 = LG brand HDDVD/Blu-Ray player.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. One of these formats needs to die soon. I can't believe companies are NOW trying to unify the formats with dual discs and players. It's a bit too costly and too late. I really hope HD-DVD dies, but I would be happy with either of them dying, if it was soon.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Wait, are you telling me that Ultraviolet, Doom, and Aeon Flux aren't the titles that people want their high definition players for?!?!? SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!![/QUOTE]
I forgot about those! *runs to dvd store*
in' genius. $1,100 = 20GB PS3, Premium Xbox 360, HDDVD player attachment.
$1,200 = LG brand HDDVD/Blu-Ray player.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. One of these formats needs to die soon. I can't believe companies are NOW trying to unify the formats with dual discs and players. It's a bit too costly and too late. I really hope HD-DVD dies, but I would be happy with either of them dying, if it was soon.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Wait, are you telling me that Ultraviolet, Doom, and Aeon Flux aren't the titles that people want their high definition players for?!?!? SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!![/QUOTE]
I forgot about those! *runs to dvd store*
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[quote name='dpatel']Indeed. One of these formats needs to die soon. I can't believe companies are NOW trying to unify the formats with dual discs and players. It's a bit too costly and too late. I really hope HD-DVD dies, but I would be happy with either of them dying, if it was soon.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter to me, really, since the 360 player is very affordable. If Blu-Ray dies, it will die like UMD - as a movie format, but not as a gaming format. It isn't like games will suddenly go DVD-only on PS3 if HDDVD is the "winning" format.
I can't believe anyone would drop $100 more on something that only plays movies than having all your non-Wii gaming options satisfied for the next half-decade. Then again, I find that I'm rarely surprised by the extent of people's oblivousness.
Doesn't matter to me, really, since the 360 player is very affordable. If Blu-Ray dies, it will die like UMD - as a movie format, but not as a gaming format. It isn't like games will suddenly go DVD-only on PS3 if HDDVD is the "winning" format.
I can't believe anyone would drop $100 more on something that only plays movies than having all your non-Wii gaming options satisfied for the next half-decade. Then again, I find that I'm rarely surprised by the extent of people's oblivousness.
[quote name='dpatel']Indeed. One of these formats needs to die soon. I can't believe companies are NOW trying to unify the formats with dual discs and players. It's a bit too costly and too late. I really hope HD-DVD dies, but I would be happy with either of them dying, if it was soon.
I forgot about those! *runs to dvd store*[/quote]
I hope BOTH die, preferably blu ray faster.
I forgot about those! *runs to dvd store*[/quote]I hope BOTH die, preferably blu ray faster.
[quote name='mykevermin']Doesn't matter to me, really, since the 360 player is very affordable. If Blu-Ray dies, it will die like UMD - as a movie format, but not as a gaming format. It isn't like games will suddenly go DVD-only on PS3 if HDDVD is the "winning" format.
I can't believe anyone would drop $100 more on something that only plays movies than having all your non-Wii gaming options satisfied for the next half-decade. Then again, I find that I'm rarely surprised by the extent of people's oblivousness.[/QUOTE]
I really can't see either format dying this generation. I think it will take quite a bit longer before either format is "dead". UMD lasted surprisingly long, considering they limited to PSP use, had less support than Blu-ray, the same price as DVD with less bonuses, etc. The list of cons goes on, but, despite all that, UMDs did last at least a year (can't remember when people considered the format officially "dead". Most people knew it wouldn't take off from the get go, but it still had quite a bit of support for a while). Blu-ray and HD-DVD have a lot more going for it than UMD did, so it will be a while before one dies out.
I can't believe anyone would drop $100 more on something that only plays movies than having all your non-Wii gaming options satisfied for the next half-decade. Then again, I find that I'm rarely surprised by the extent of people's oblivousness.[/QUOTE]
I really can't see either format dying this generation. I think it will take quite a bit longer before either format is "dead". UMD lasted surprisingly long, considering they limited to PSP use, had less support than Blu-ray, the same price as DVD with less bonuses, etc. The list of cons goes on, but, despite all that, UMDs did last at least a year (can't remember when people considered the format officially "dead". Most people knew it wouldn't take off from the get go, but it still had quite a bit of support for a while). Blu-ray and HD-DVD have a lot more going for it than UMD did, so it will be a while before one dies out.
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I just saw that Talladega Nights was released on UMD a week or so ago. I sure don't consider UMD "alive," but it's still seeing internal support from Sony.
IMO, I think clinging onto Disney's support, and expanding their BR releases into their animated features (instead of, say, Pirates of the Caribbean) would bolster support for BR immensely. Regardless, there's a great deal at stake for both companies compared to Sony's support of UMD - this is the future of home video, whereas if UMD films were successful, then they'd have a new revenue stream to count on.
IMO, I think clinging onto Disney's support, and expanding their BR releases into their animated features (instead of, say, Pirates of the Caribbean) would bolster support for BR immensely. Regardless, there's a great deal at stake for both companies compared to Sony's support of UMD - this is the future of home video, whereas if UMD films were successful, then they'd have a new revenue stream to count on.
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[quote name='dpatel']I really can't see either format dying this generation. I think it will take quite a bit longer before either format is "dead". UMD lasted surprisingly long, considering they limited to PSP use, had less support than Blu-ray, the same price as DVD with less bonuses, etc. The list of cons goes on, but, despite all that, UMDs did last at least a year (can't remember when people considered the format officially "dead". Most people knew it wouldn't take off from the get go, but it still had quite a bit of support for a while). Blu-ray and HD-DVD have a lot more going for it than UMD did, so it will be a while before one dies out.[/QUOTE]
c'mon HD DVD is deader than a doornail simply cause retailers aren't gonna stock it. Watch as the HD DVD slowly gets phased out of the Audio Visual home theater department. Blu Ray will win because of attrition. What it's winning is another debate. Need some killer apps like Star wars, indiana jones, godfather, and disney flicks to put it over the top.
c'mon HD DVD is deader than a doornail simply cause retailers aren't gonna stock it. Watch as the HD DVD slowly gets phased out of the Audio Visual home theater department. Blu Ray will win because of attrition. What it's winning is another debate. Need some killer apps like Star wars, indiana jones, godfather, and disney flicks to put it over the top.
[quote name='sparklecopy']c'mon HD DVD is deader than a doornail simply cause retailers aren't gonna stock it. Watch as the HD DVD slowly gets phased out of the Audio Visual home theater department. Blu Ray will win because of attrition. What it's winning is another debate. Need some killer apps like Star wars, indiana jones, godfather, and disney flicks to put it over the top.[/QUOTE]
Your still missing the fact that RIGHT NOW, HD-DVD is still beating Blu-Ray in terms of software/hardware sales. Its not going anywhere anytime soon.
This may change in the next 2-5 months, but at the moment, neither side has announced any 'killer movie'. No Star Wars, No Indiana Jones, No LOTR. Nothing.
Your still missing the fact that RIGHT NOW, HD-DVD is still beating Blu-Ray in terms of software/hardware sales. Its not going anywhere anytime soon.
This may change in the next 2-5 months, but at the moment, neither side has announced any 'killer movie'. No Star Wars, No Indiana Jones, No LOTR. Nothing.
[quote name='dpatel']What happened to HD-DVD having cheaper movies, or better PQ? Or are you now done with that argument?
If we are talking about PS3 sales solely in regards to it as a blu-ray player, I would say it is pretty successful. Unless you want me to believe that HD-DVD are sold out everywhere. Remember, you are speaking about the PS3 as a blu-ray player. In that respect, I would say it is selling pretty well. I realize that most people did not buy it to watch movies, but if the BDA wants to throw out usual PR bull by citing PS3 sales, then thats fine. But the fact that the PS3s aren't sold out anywhere really doesn't mean much when we are comparing it to HD-DVD players that are just the same situation.
FYI. Blu-ray Disc Association =/= Sony. Sony is a part of it, but there are plenty of big name companies involved. You may want to blame Sony because they got your sale and were the most aggressive in their tactics, but just remember they are not one in the same.
EDIT: I noticed you were keeping up with CES, so I thought I would put in a few key points of my own. You missed quite a big portion of the show:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/live-coverage-from-bda-press-conference/
Quick question, what does PIP and BDJ stand for? It was stated here:
"-The Decent was 50GB and is the first with PIP, and has BDJ."
I thought PIP was picture in picture.
So you must own all of these movies, right? :lol:[/QUOTE]
I won't go through that list 1 by 1, but there are reason why the BD camp is going crazy for it, and the HD camp is not. For one, it was a survey done by Fox. Fox supports ONLY BD, remember?
A 700% increase in BD software in November is still REALLY bad. It should have seen a MUCH higher rate with the launch of the million PS3s Sony has claimed to 'sold' and later retracted to 'shipped.
Sadly, most of the posting is just Sony BS. Having 1 good week means nothing when HD has released 3 titles in the past month They SHOULD be doing MUCH better...yet there not. The 360 HD add-on still sells out, while the PS3s warms the shelf.
I'll dig a bit more into it for you later
I STILL think HD-DVD SHOULD win the format war, but sadly they had a SHITTY CES. Alot of HD fans are pissed off about this, and many will be buying BR players. I don't blame them. I HD does not turnaround soon and announce titles I will start buying format neutral titles in BR.
As for the top 5 BR titles..yes, Ive watched them all on Blu-Ray except Ultra Violet. I am shocked these were the top 5 selling 'exclusives'. I figured X-men III would atleast be in there.
If we are talking about PS3 sales solely in regards to it as a blu-ray player, I would say it is pretty successful. Unless you want me to believe that HD-DVD are sold out everywhere. Remember, you are speaking about the PS3 as a blu-ray player. In that respect, I would say it is selling pretty well. I realize that most people did not buy it to watch movies, but if the BDA wants to throw out usual PR bull by citing PS3 sales, then thats fine. But the fact that the PS3s aren't sold out anywhere really doesn't mean much when we are comparing it to HD-DVD players that are just the same situation.
FYI. Blu-ray Disc Association =/= Sony. Sony is a part of it, but there are plenty of big name companies involved. You may want to blame Sony because they got your sale and were the most aggressive in their tactics, but just remember they are not one in the same.
EDIT: I noticed you were keeping up with CES, so I thought I would put in a few key points of my own. You missed quite a big portion of the show:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/live-coverage-from-bda-press-conference/
Quick question, what does PIP and BDJ stand for? It was stated here:
"-The Decent was 50GB and is the first with PIP, and has BDJ."
I thought PIP was picture in picture.
So you must own all of these movies, right? :lol:[/QUOTE]
I won't go through that list 1 by 1, but there are reason why the BD camp is going crazy for it, and the HD camp is not. For one, it was a survey done by Fox. Fox supports ONLY BD, remember?
A 700% increase in BD software in November is still REALLY bad. It should have seen a MUCH higher rate with the launch of the million PS3s Sony has claimed to 'sold' and later retracted to 'shipped.
Sadly, most of the posting is just Sony BS. Having 1 good week means nothing when HD has released 3 titles in the past month They SHOULD be doing MUCH better...yet there not. The 360 HD add-on still sells out, while the PS3s warms the shelf.
I'll dig a bit more into it for you later
I STILL think HD-DVD SHOULD win the format war, but sadly they had a SHITTY CES. Alot of HD fans are pissed off about this, and many will be buying BR players. I don't blame them. I HD does not turnaround soon and announce titles I will start buying format neutral titles in BR.
As for the top 5 BR titles..yes, Ive watched them all on Blu-Ray except Ultra Violet. I am shocked these were the top 5 selling 'exclusives'. I figured X-men III would atleast be in there.
I should really add that even if BR has tons and tons of titles...if they don't sell, whats the point? For the most part, both HD and BR are far, far below DVD sales.
All these BR titles released simply means alot of blue cases sitting on the shelves.
While Universal is not announcing many titles at CES, its not a huge blow. The BR camp blew there entire load yesterday. Universal still has a GIGANTIC catalog, and they tend to make announcements 2-4 weeks before the HD hits the shelf. Some notable movies were announced yesterday (American Pie, 40 Y.O Virgin, 15 or so more), but they still has lots of unannounced titles.
I for one will be buying tons of BR movies in the next few months, but I'm sure the same will be said for HD. The announcement of some possible cheaper HD players (as low as $200) can only mean increase in HD sales as it becomes more affordable. As SOON as a HD player with HDMI hits $200, but 360 add-on is gone.
All these BR titles released simply means alot of blue cases sitting on the shelves.
While Universal is not announcing many titles at CES, its not a huge blow. The BR camp blew there entire load yesterday. Universal still has a GIGANTIC catalog, and they tend to make announcements 2-4 weeks before the HD hits the shelf. Some notable movies were announced yesterday (American Pie, 40 Y.O Virgin, 15 or so more), but they still has lots of unannounced titles.
I for one will be buying tons of BR movies in the next few months, but I'm sure the same will be said for HD. The announcement of some possible cheaper HD players (as low as $200) can only mean increase in HD sales as it becomes more affordable. As SOON as a HD player with HDMI hits $200, but 360 add-on is gone.
[quote name='gizmogc']Your still missing the fact that RIGHT NOW, HD-DVD is still beating Blu-Ray in terms of software/hardware sales. Its not going anywhere anytime soon.
This may change in the next 2-5 months, but at the moment, neither side has announced any 'killer movie'. No Star Wars, No Indiana Jones, No LOTR. Nothing.[/QUOTE]
Yea, we've been over this before. I think we also agreed that although HD-DVD is beating blu-ray (which I am not surprised considering that blu-ray was: twice as expensive at launch, had inferior PQ, and faced numerous delays. Thankfully, all of those problems have been alleviated), both formats are doing pretty badly, so the fact that one is winning, doesn't really mean too much.
[quote name='gizmogc']I won't go through that list 1 by 1, but there are reason why the BD camp is going crazy for it, and the HD camp is not. For one, it was a survey done by Fox. Fox supports ONLY BD, remember?[/quote]
Sorry but what part is the survey, and where did you read that?
[quote name='gizmogc']A 700% increase in BD software in November is still REALLY bad. It should have seen a MUCH higher rate with the launch of the million PS3s Sony has claimed to 'sold' and later retracted to 'shipped.[/quote]
PS3 is a gaming machine, remember? And a lot of the initial batch was bought to be resold on eBay, so many of those systems were being bought without any movies/games.
And 700% sounds pretty damn good to me, you are right, that isn't saying much since blu-ray didn't have much going for it to begin with. Which is why I don't understand why people think saying that "HD-dvd is winning the war" means anything.
[quote name='gizmogc']Sadly, most of the posting is just Sony BS. Having 1 good week means nothing when HD has released 3 titles in the past month They SHOULD be doing MUCH better...yet there not. The 360 HD add-on still sells out, while the PS3s warms the shelf.[/quote]
The 360 HD-DVD add-on sells out? That is news to me? I have seen quite a few available. Keep in mind that the 360 HD-DVD add-on's supply is much less than the PS3, so even if it has "sold-out" as you claim, it still doesn't mean much since there is no way they shipped 1 million of those out.
And, to reiterate, where do you get Sony from the Blu-ray Disc Association? I know they are a part of the association, but I don't see why you put all of the blame on them. If you really dislike them so much, I would recommend that, next time, you don't go out and buy their console close to launch and support two of their divisions at once with that purchase.
[quote name='gizmogc']I STILL think HD-DVD SHOULD win the format war, but sadly they had a SHITTY CES. Alot of HD fans are pissed off about this, and many will be buying BR players. I don't blame them. I HD does not turnaround soon and announce titles I will start buying format neutral titles in BR. [/quote]
Yea. Apparently Universal (which is HD-DVD's biggest supporter as far as big move releases goes) had an underwhelming showing:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news...o_New_HD_DVD_Announcements_from_Universal/429
[quote name='gizmogc']As for the top 5 BR titles..yes, Ive watched them all on Blu-Ray except Ultra Violet. I am shocked these were the top 5 selling 'exclusives'. I figured X-men III would atleast be in there.[/QUOTE]
That comment about the top 5 BR titles was a joke man. I notice you bash the PS3 and blu-ray left and right, yet you bought one close to launch. Was just saying that since you bashed all those movies, you probably own them too :lol:.
[quote name='gizmogc']I should really add that even if BR has tons and tons of titles...if they don't sell, whats the point? For the most part, both HD and BR are far, far below DVD sales.
All these BR titles released simply means alot of blue cases sitting on the shelves.[/quote]
Exactly what I am saying. Neither is doing too well, so to say that one is "winning" is a bit pointless, in my opinion.
[quote name='gizmogc']While Universal is not announcing many titles at CES, its not a huge blow. The BR camp blew there entire load yesterday. Universal still has a GIGANTIC catalog, and they tend to make announcements 2-4 weeks before the HD hits the shelf. Some notable movies were announced yesterday (American Pie, 40 Y.O Virgin, 15 or so more), but they still has lots of unannounced titles.[/quote]
That's a bit strange, because I believe at last year's CES, Universal did make quite a few announcements, whereas this time around, no NEW announcements were made. Where did you hear that they usually like to wait? That is news to me.
[quote name='gizmogc']I for one will be buying tons of BR movies in the next few months, but I'm sure the same will be said for HD. The announcement of some possible cheaper HD players (as low as $200) can only mean increase in HD sales as it becomes more affordable. As SOON as a HD player with HDMI hits $200, but 360 add-on is gone.[/QUOTE]
A $200 HD-DVD player would be a major blow to blu-ray as that was the price point at which DVDs started to sell pretty well. Did you have a link for this information? The only thing I can find is the HD-DVD add-on for the 360. Also can't find anything about it selling out everywhere.
This may change in the next 2-5 months, but at the moment, neither side has announced any 'killer movie'. No Star Wars, No Indiana Jones, No LOTR. Nothing.[/QUOTE]
Yea, we've been over this before. I think we also agreed that although HD-DVD is beating blu-ray (which I am not surprised considering that blu-ray was: twice as expensive at launch, had inferior PQ, and faced numerous delays. Thankfully, all of those problems have been alleviated), both formats are doing pretty badly, so the fact that one is winning, doesn't really mean too much.
[quote name='gizmogc']I won't go through that list 1 by 1, but there are reason why the BD camp is going crazy for it, and the HD camp is not. For one, it was a survey done by Fox. Fox supports ONLY BD, remember?[/quote]
Sorry but what part is the survey, and where did you read that?
[quote name='gizmogc']A 700% increase in BD software in November is still REALLY bad. It should have seen a MUCH higher rate with the launch of the million PS3s Sony has claimed to 'sold' and later retracted to 'shipped.[/quote]
PS3 is a gaming machine, remember? And a lot of the initial batch was bought to be resold on eBay, so many of those systems were being bought without any movies/games.
And 700% sounds pretty damn good to me, you are right, that isn't saying much since blu-ray didn't have much going for it to begin with. Which is why I don't understand why people think saying that "HD-dvd is winning the war" means anything.
[quote name='gizmogc']Sadly, most of the posting is just Sony BS. Having 1 good week means nothing when HD has released 3 titles in the past month They SHOULD be doing MUCH better...yet there not. The 360 HD add-on still sells out, while the PS3s warms the shelf.[/quote]
The 360 HD-DVD add-on sells out? That is news to me? I have seen quite a few available. Keep in mind that the 360 HD-DVD add-on's supply is much less than the PS3, so even if it has "sold-out" as you claim, it still doesn't mean much since there is no way they shipped 1 million of those out.
And, to reiterate, where do you get Sony from the Blu-ray Disc Association? I know they are a part of the association, but I don't see why you put all of the blame on them. If you really dislike them so much, I would recommend that, next time, you don't go out and buy their console close to launch and support two of their divisions at once with that purchase.
[quote name='gizmogc']I STILL think HD-DVD SHOULD win the format war, but sadly they had a SHITTY CES. Alot of HD fans are pissed off about this, and many will be buying BR players. I don't blame them. I HD does not turnaround soon and announce titles I will start buying format neutral titles in BR. [/quote]
Yea. Apparently Universal (which is HD-DVD's biggest supporter as far as big move releases goes) had an underwhelming showing:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news...o_New_HD_DVD_Announcements_from_Universal/429
[quote name='gizmogc']As for the top 5 BR titles..yes, Ive watched them all on Blu-Ray except Ultra Violet. I am shocked these were the top 5 selling 'exclusives'. I figured X-men III would atleast be in there.[/QUOTE]
That comment about the top 5 BR titles was a joke man. I notice you bash the PS3 and blu-ray left and right, yet you bought one close to launch. Was just saying that since you bashed all those movies, you probably own them too :lol:.
[quote name='gizmogc']I should really add that even if BR has tons and tons of titles...if they don't sell, whats the point? For the most part, both HD and BR are far, far below DVD sales.
All these BR titles released simply means alot of blue cases sitting on the shelves.[/quote]
Exactly what I am saying. Neither is doing too well, so to say that one is "winning" is a bit pointless, in my opinion.
[quote name='gizmogc']While Universal is not announcing many titles at CES, its not a huge blow. The BR camp blew there entire load yesterday. Universal still has a GIGANTIC catalog, and they tend to make announcements 2-4 weeks before the HD hits the shelf. Some notable movies were announced yesterday (American Pie, 40 Y.O Virgin, 15 or so more), but they still has lots of unannounced titles.[/quote]
That's a bit strange, because I believe at last year's CES, Universal did make quite a few announcements, whereas this time around, no NEW announcements were made. Where did you hear that they usually like to wait? That is news to me.
[quote name='gizmogc']I for one will be buying tons of BR movies in the next few months, but I'm sure the same will be said for HD. The announcement of some possible cheaper HD players (as low as $200) can only mean increase in HD sales as it becomes more affordable. As SOON as a HD player with HDMI hits $200, but 360 add-on is gone.[/QUOTE]
A $200 HD-DVD player would be a major blow to blu-ray as that was the price point at which DVDs started to sell pretty well. Did you have a link for this information? The only thing I can find is the HD-DVD add-on for the 360. Also can't find anything about it selling out everywhere.
I finally know of a few people that have gotten some PS3s for videogames. (they're gamers)
And crap, they have starting loads of BD movies, which I remember them having no care for originally.
It works!
I haven't bought any movies. Let me know when "The Sweet Smell Of Success" is put on BD.
Most everything out now on both formats is commercial pap.
And crap, they have starting loads of BD movies, which I remember them having no care for originally.
It works!
I haven't bought any movies. Let me know when "The Sweet Smell Of Success" is put on BD.
Most everything out now on both formats is commercial pap.
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[quote name='dallow']Most everything out now on both formats is commercial pap.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, but there are roughly 10 titles I'm looking forward to being released on BR. I can only remember 7 of them, and all surely fall under the "pap" category: Casino Royale, Harry Potter X 4, and Pirates of the Caribbean X 2. Can't quite recall the others, though I did notice "Blood Diamond" is coming out on BR.
A format has to be successful before high-risk ('indie') studios try to support it. When your prayers are answered when a fraction of a percentage of format owners buy your product, you want to hold off until that base of owners grows sufficiently. This means, lamentably, that we have to expect someone to buy the pap in order to grow the format's support base.
Indeed, but there are roughly 10 titles I'm looking forward to being released on BR. I can only remember 7 of them, and all surely fall under the "pap" category: Casino Royale, Harry Potter X 4, and Pirates of the Caribbean X 2. Can't quite recall the others, though I did notice "Blood Diamond" is coming out on BR.
A format has to be successful before high-risk ('indie') studios try to support it. When your prayers are answered when a fraction of a percentage of format owners buy your product, you want to hold off until that base of owners grows sufficiently. This means, lamentably, that we have to expect someone to buy the pap in order to grow the format's support base.
[quote name='mykevermin']Indeed, but there are roughly 10 titles I'm looking forward to being released on BR. I can only remember 7 of them, and all surely fall under the "pap" category: Casino Royale, Harry Potter X 4, and Pirates of the Caribbean X 2. Can't quite recall the others, though I did notice "Blood Diamond" is coming out on BR.
A format has to be successful before high-risk ('indie') studios try to support it. When your prayers are answered when a fraction of a percentage of format owners buy your product, you want to hold off until that base of owners grows sufficiently. This means, lamentably, that we have to expect someone to buy the pap in order to grow the format's support base.[/QUOTE]
There aren't too many movies that I would buy either on Blu-ray. I'm normally pretty picky about my movie collection. I think I only have about 20 DVDs, and those are usually the cream of the crop for me. I still can't justifying paying about double for an increase in picture quality. Especially when all the movies out don't really interest me. I may buy a Blu-ray movie soon just for the sake of actually having tried a movie in HD. I am waiting for "Hero" to be released. I think that would be the perfect movie to watch in HD.
A format has to be successful before high-risk ('indie') studios try to support it. When your prayers are answered when a fraction of a percentage of format owners buy your product, you want to hold off until that base of owners grows sufficiently. This means, lamentably, that we have to expect someone to buy the pap in order to grow the format's support base.[/QUOTE]
There aren't too many movies that I would buy either on Blu-ray. I'm normally pretty picky about my movie collection. I think I only have about 20 DVDs, and those are usually the cream of the crop for me. I still can't justifying paying about double for an increase in picture quality. Especially when all the movies out don't really interest me. I may buy a Blu-ray movie soon just for the sake of actually having tried a movie in HD. I am waiting for "Hero" to be released. I think that would be the perfect movie to watch in HD.
[quote name='mykevermin']Indeed, but there are roughly 10 titles I'm looking forward to being released on BR. I can only remember 7 of them, and all surely fall under the "pap" category: Casino Royale, Harry Potter X 4, and Pirates of the Caribbean X 2. Can't quite recall the others, though I did notice "Blood Diamond" is coming out on BR.
A format has to be successful before high-risk ('indie') studios try to support it. When your prayers are answered when a fraction of a percentage of format owners buy your product, you want to hold off until that base of owners grows sufficiently. This means, lamentably, that we have to expect someone to buy the pap in order to grow the format's support base.[/quote]
Oh don't worry, I fully realize this. So bring on whatever it takes for people to buy into it.
Indie movies?
I just want my classics, which should be in the hands of all the majors.
A format has to be successful before high-risk ('indie') studios try to support it. When your prayers are answered when a fraction of a percentage of format owners buy your product, you want to hold off until that base of owners grows sufficiently. This means, lamentably, that we have to expect someone to buy the pap in order to grow the format's support base.[/quote]
Oh don't worry, I fully realize this. So bring on whatever it takes for people to buy into it.
Indie movies?
I just want my classics, which should be in the hands of all the majors.
[quote name='dpatel']Yea, we've been over this before. I think we also agreed that although HD-DVD is beating blu-ray (which I am not surprised considering that blu-ray was: twice as expensive at launch, had inferior PQ, and faced numerous delays. Thankfully, all of those problems have been alleviated), both formats are doing pretty badly, so the fact that one is winning, doesn't really mean too much.
Sorry but what part is the survey, and where did you read that?
PS3 is a gaming machine, remember? And a lot of the initial batch was bought to be resold on eBay, so many of those systems were being bought without any movies/games.
And 700% sounds pretty damn good to me, you are right, that isn't saying much since blu-ray didn't have much going for it to begin with. Which is why I don't understand why people think saying that "HD-dvd is winning the war" means anything.
The 360 HD-DVD add-on sells out? That is news to me? I have seen quite a few available. Keep in mind that the 360 HD-DVD add-on's supply is much less than the PS3, so even if it has "sold-out" as you claim, it still doesn't mean much since there is no way they shipped 1 million of those out.
And, to reiterate, where do you get Sony from the Blu-ray Disc Association? I know they are a part of the association, but I don't see why you put all of the blame on them. If you really dislike them so much, I would recommend that, next time, you don't go out and buy their console close to launch and support two of their divisions at once with that purchase.
Yea. Apparently Universal (which is HD-DVD's biggest supporter as far as big move releases goes) had an underwhelming showing:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news...o_New_HD_DVD_Announcements_from_Universal/429
That comment about the top 5 BR titles was a joke man. I notice you bash the PS3 and blu-ray left and right, yet you bought one close to launch. Was just saying that since you bashed all those movies, you probably own them too :lol:.
Exactly what I am saying. Neither is doing too well, so to say that one is "winning" is a bit pointless, in my opinion.
That's a bit strange, because I believe at last year's CES, Universal did make quite a few announcements, whereas this time around, no NEW announcements were made. Where did you hear that they usually like to wait? That is news to me.
A $200 HD-DVD player would be a major blow to blu-ray as that was the price point at which DVDs started to sell pretty well. Did you have a link for this information? The only thing I can find is the HD-DVD add-on for the 360. Also can't find anything about it selling out everywhere.[/QUOTE]
First, how the hell do you quote each thing like that? I could never figure that out.
The survey was done by Fox...I'll dig that info up for you.
While last year at CES Universal did announce titles...they had to. They have to sell hardware, and this is the way. This year they did not. They sold more hardware then Sony (not including the PS3s). This is an electronics show, not 'announce movies' show. The Blu-Ray camp chose to, and the HD camp did not. Some are saying this is because Universal is becoming neutral, but the reality is that CES is not for movie announcements.
I will ALWAYS associate BR with Sony. If you see Sony, just understand that I mean the BR camp. I bought a BR player because I HAD TO so I could enjoy as many movies as possible in HD, instead of SD. Sadly this means I am supporting Sony, but I don't really care in that manner. Had I been able to get a BR player for $400 or less I would have.
The HD camp will by the summer releasing multiple Chinese made HD players. That was there big announcement at CES...and it really is big. If they can get players out at $299 or less...HD will see an incredible surge in sales. Remember, HD is STILL outselling BR. BR may have had a good week with a ton of new releases and none for HD, it does not mean the tides have changed and HD fades away.Sadly, I could only find this horrible article regarding cheaper HD players. I'll look for the other one.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-08-2007/0004501097&EDATE=
What happened at CES is Sony REALLY tried to get people excited about BR. They succeeded. Fox went on to say how they sell 70k discs a week and the numbers are doubling every week...blah blah blah. We even got a cute little bar graph showing the decline of HD and the rise of BR. They are expecting a 4:1 lead by April. Fox declared Blu-Ray the winner before THEY even released there first title. They are the really cocky football team a week before the big game...dosnt mean they will win. HD camp was quite...too quite. They could unleash a huge announcement in 2 weeks declaring that LOTR is coming out in 3 weeks (as they normally do, 2-4 weeks before they hits shelves). What happens then?
I think ive already made it pretty clear the only reason I bought a PS3 was for BR. I have little to no interest in any games coming out, and only picked up a few PS2 games to play that I missed (Silent Hill type games).
I should really add im on tons of medication right now for surgery...so i this is jumbled...you know why. I'm just really 'happy'.
Sorry but what part is the survey, and where did you read that?
PS3 is a gaming machine, remember? And a lot of the initial batch was bought to be resold on eBay, so many of those systems were being bought without any movies/games.
And 700% sounds pretty damn good to me, you are right, that isn't saying much since blu-ray didn't have much going for it to begin with. Which is why I don't understand why people think saying that "HD-dvd is winning the war" means anything.
The 360 HD-DVD add-on sells out? That is news to me? I have seen quite a few available. Keep in mind that the 360 HD-DVD add-on's supply is much less than the PS3, so even if it has "sold-out" as you claim, it still doesn't mean much since there is no way they shipped 1 million of those out.
And, to reiterate, where do you get Sony from the Blu-ray Disc Association? I know they are a part of the association, but I don't see why you put all of the blame on them. If you really dislike them so much, I would recommend that, next time, you don't go out and buy their console close to launch and support two of their divisions at once with that purchase.
Yea. Apparently Universal (which is HD-DVD's biggest supporter as far as big move releases goes) had an underwhelming showing:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news...o_New_HD_DVD_Announcements_from_Universal/429
That comment about the top 5 BR titles was a joke man. I notice you bash the PS3 and blu-ray left and right, yet you bought one close to launch. Was just saying that since you bashed all those movies, you probably own them too :lol:.
Exactly what I am saying. Neither is doing too well, so to say that one is "winning" is a bit pointless, in my opinion.
That's a bit strange, because I believe at last year's CES, Universal did make quite a few announcements, whereas this time around, no NEW announcements were made. Where did you hear that they usually like to wait? That is news to me.
A $200 HD-DVD player would be a major blow to blu-ray as that was the price point at which DVDs started to sell pretty well. Did you have a link for this information? The only thing I can find is the HD-DVD add-on for the 360. Also can't find anything about it selling out everywhere.[/QUOTE]
First, how the hell do you quote each thing like that? I could never figure that out.
The survey was done by Fox...I'll dig that info up for you.
While last year at CES Universal did announce titles...they had to. They have to sell hardware, and this is the way. This year they did not. They sold more hardware then Sony (not including the PS3s). This is an electronics show, not 'announce movies' show. The Blu-Ray camp chose to, and the HD camp did not. Some are saying this is because Universal is becoming neutral, but the reality is that CES is not for movie announcements.
I will ALWAYS associate BR with Sony. If you see Sony, just understand that I mean the BR camp. I bought a BR player because I HAD TO so I could enjoy as many movies as possible in HD, instead of SD. Sadly this means I am supporting Sony, but I don't really care in that manner. Had I been able to get a BR player for $400 or less I would have.
The HD camp will by the summer releasing multiple Chinese made HD players. That was there big announcement at CES...and it really is big. If they can get players out at $299 or less...HD will see an incredible surge in sales. Remember, HD is STILL outselling BR. BR may have had a good week with a ton of new releases and none for HD, it does not mean the tides have changed and HD fades away.Sadly, I could only find this horrible article regarding cheaper HD players. I'll look for the other one.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-08-2007/0004501097&EDATE=
What happened at CES is Sony REALLY tried to get people excited about BR. They succeeded. Fox went on to say how they sell 70k discs a week and the numbers are doubling every week...blah blah blah. We even got a cute little bar graph showing the decline of HD and the rise of BR. They are expecting a 4:1 lead by April. Fox declared Blu-Ray the winner before THEY even released there first title. They are the really cocky football team a week before the big game...dosnt mean they will win. HD camp was quite...too quite. They could unleash a huge announcement in 2 weeks declaring that LOTR is coming out in 3 weeks (as they normally do, 2-4 weeks before they hits shelves). What happens then?
I think ive already made it pretty clear the only reason I bought a PS3 was for BR. I have little to no interest in any games coming out, and only picked up a few PS2 games to play that I missed (Silent Hill type games).
I should really add im on tons of medication right now for surgery...so i this is jumbled...you know why. I'm just really 'happy'.
[quote name='gizmogc']First, how the hell do you quote each thing like that? I could never figure that out.[/quote]
heh, I am just using the code to seperate each of your sentences manually. You know when you click "quote" it puts a QUOTE start and end tag in brackets, just copy and past those around whatever you want to separate. Put this at the beginning of the portion [*QUOTE] and this at the end [*/QUOTE] . (take out the asterisks though)
[quote name='gizmogc']The survey was done by Fox...I'll dig that info up for you.[/quote]
ok cool, let me know when you find it.
[quote name='gizmogc']While last year at CES Universal did announce titles...they had to. They have to sell hardware, and this is the way. This year they did not. They sold more hardware then Sony (not including the PS3s). This is an electronics show, not 'announce movies' show. The Blu-Ray camp chose to, and the HD camp did not. Some are saying this is because Universal is becoming neutral, but the reality is that CES is not for movie announcements.[/quote]
I guess you could look at it that way. Although, as far as I know, there aren't too many events as big as this for movie announcements. I'm not too knowledgeable on the movie scene though. I was under the assumption that this was one of the bigger shows for showcasing things like movie formats.
And yes Universal did need to announce movies last year. Just like they needed to this year. They can't relax just yet because they are outselling their competition. The format war has just begun, and Universal needs to do everything they can to help the HD-DVD format if they truly want to support it. I don't see how you could think that since HD-DVD is outselling the competition, that they can choose to opt out of a major show like this. This was definitely a huge mistake on their part, and, in my opinion, leads me to believe that they are becoming weary of HD-DVDs future.
[quote name='gizmogc']I will ALWAYS associate BR with Sony. If you see Sony, just understand that I mean the BR camp. I bought a BR player because I HAD TO so I could enjoy as many movies as possible in HD, instead of SD. Sadly this means I am supporting Sony, but I don't really care in that manner. Had I been able to get a BR player for $400 or less I would have. [/quote]
Really, the smarter thing would've been to support the format you obviously favor (HD-DVD), and hope that the other one dies. In the end, all titles will be compiled onto a single format. You buying both means that sometime in the future, you will most likely need to rebuy the movies on the dead format in order to get the most use out of them. Otherwise they may only be playable on the obsolete player you have. I understand you want the blu-ray movies, I just wanted to let you know that you are pretty much helping blu-ray win this war by doing so. And it really shouldn't matter who was what movies at this point, since they will all end up on the winning format in the end.
[quote name='gizmogc']The HD camp will by the summer releasing multiple Chinese made HD players. That was there big announcement at CES...and it really is big. If they can get players out at $299 or less...HD will see an incredible surge in sales. Remember, HD is STILL outselling BR. BR may have had a good week with a ton of new releases and none for HD, it does not mean the tides have changed and HD fades away.Sadly, I could only find this horrible article regarding cheaper HD players. I'll look for the other one.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-08-2007/0004501097&EDATE=
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Yea, that link is kinda bad, no offense. Doesn't really show any actual figures. I do see that manufacturing costs are going down (as is the case with all technology), but it doesn't say by how much, and how this will affect consumer prices. If you could find a better link, that would be great. I tried looking, but couldn't find anything. Which is odd since you said it was a big announcement at CES (which is currently the big show at the moment).
[quote name='gizmogc']What happened at CES is Sony REALLY tried to get people excited about BR. They succeeded. Fox went on to say how they sell 70k discs a week and the numbers are doubling every week...blah blah blah. We even got a cute little bar graph showing the decline of HD and the rise of BR. They are expecting a 4:1 lead by April. Fox declared Blu-Ray the winner before THEY even released there first title. They are the really cocky football team a week before the big game...dosnt mean they will win. HD camp was quite...too quite. They could unleash a huge announcement in 2 weeks declaring that LOTR is coming out in 3 weeks (as they normally do, 2-4 weeks before they hits shelves). What happens then? [/quote]
Sure they COULD do all of that. That is about as meaningless as Fox's statements. You should know better than to use something like that as a basis for an argument. And, FYI, Sony and the BRA did exactly what every company should do at a show, and that is get people interested in the product. That is the whole purpose for these shows. Blu-ray succeeded in that, and HD-DVD didn't fair as well.
[quote name='gizmogc']I think ive already made it pretty clear the only reason I bought a PS3 was for BR. I have little to no interest in any games coming out, and only picked up a few PS2 games to play that I missed (Silent Hill type games).[/QUOTE]
I realized this. But, keep in mind that a PS3 sale supports: Blu-ray, Sony, and the PS3. Whether or not you plan to buy games, it still is a sold console to them, which is support in their game division.
heh, I am just using the code to seperate each of your sentences manually. You know when you click "quote" it puts a QUOTE start and end tag in brackets, just copy and past those around whatever you want to separate. Put this at the beginning of the portion [*QUOTE] and this at the end [*/QUOTE] . (take out the asterisks though)
[quote name='gizmogc']The survey was done by Fox...I'll dig that info up for you.[/quote]
ok cool, let me know when you find it.
[quote name='gizmogc']While last year at CES Universal did announce titles...they had to. They have to sell hardware, and this is the way. This year they did not. They sold more hardware then Sony (not including the PS3s). This is an electronics show, not 'announce movies' show. The Blu-Ray camp chose to, and the HD camp did not. Some are saying this is because Universal is becoming neutral, but the reality is that CES is not for movie announcements.[/quote]
I guess you could look at it that way. Although, as far as I know, there aren't too many events as big as this for movie announcements. I'm not too knowledgeable on the movie scene though. I was under the assumption that this was one of the bigger shows for showcasing things like movie formats.
And yes Universal did need to announce movies last year. Just like they needed to this year. They can't relax just yet because they are outselling their competition. The format war has just begun, and Universal needs to do everything they can to help the HD-DVD format if they truly want to support it. I don't see how you could think that since HD-DVD is outselling the competition, that they can choose to opt out of a major show like this. This was definitely a huge mistake on their part, and, in my opinion, leads me to believe that they are becoming weary of HD-DVDs future.
[quote name='gizmogc']I will ALWAYS associate BR with Sony. If you see Sony, just understand that I mean the BR camp. I bought a BR player because I HAD TO so I could enjoy as many movies as possible in HD, instead of SD. Sadly this means I am supporting Sony, but I don't really care in that manner. Had I been able to get a BR player for $400 or less I would have. [/quote]
Really, the smarter thing would've been to support the format you obviously favor (HD-DVD), and hope that the other one dies. In the end, all titles will be compiled onto a single format. You buying both means that sometime in the future, you will most likely need to rebuy the movies on the dead format in order to get the most use out of them. Otherwise they may only be playable on the obsolete player you have. I understand you want the blu-ray movies, I just wanted to let you know that you are pretty much helping blu-ray win this war by doing so. And it really shouldn't matter who was what movies at this point, since they will all end up on the winning format in the end.
[quote name='gizmogc']The HD camp will by the summer releasing multiple Chinese made HD players. That was there big announcement at CES...and it really is big. If they can get players out at $299 or less...HD will see an incredible surge in sales. Remember, HD is STILL outselling BR. BR may have had a good week with a ton of new releases and none for HD, it does not mean the tides have changed and HD fades away.Sadly, I could only find this horrible article regarding cheaper HD players. I'll look for the other one.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-08-2007/0004501097&EDATE=
[/quote]
Yea, that link is kinda bad, no offense. Doesn't really show any actual figures. I do see that manufacturing costs are going down (as is the case with all technology), but it doesn't say by how much, and how this will affect consumer prices. If you could find a better link, that would be great. I tried looking, but couldn't find anything. Which is odd since you said it was a big announcement at CES (which is currently the big show at the moment).
[quote name='gizmogc']What happened at CES is Sony REALLY tried to get people excited about BR. They succeeded. Fox went on to say how they sell 70k discs a week and the numbers are doubling every week...blah blah blah. We even got a cute little bar graph showing the decline of HD and the rise of BR. They are expecting a 4:1 lead by April. Fox declared Blu-Ray the winner before THEY even released there first title. They are the really cocky football team a week before the big game...dosnt mean they will win. HD camp was quite...too quite. They could unleash a huge announcement in 2 weeks declaring that LOTR is coming out in 3 weeks (as they normally do, 2-4 weeks before they hits shelves). What happens then? [/quote]
Sure they COULD do all of that. That is about as meaningless as Fox's statements. You should know better than to use something like that as a basis for an argument. And, FYI, Sony and the BRA did exactly what every company should do at a show, and that is get people interested in the product. That is the whole purpose for these shows. Blu-ray succeeded in that, and HD-DVD didn't fair as well.
[quote name='gizmogc']I think ive already made it pretty clear the only reason I bought a PS3 was for BR. I have little to no interest in any games coming out, and only picked up a few PS2 games to play that I missed (Silent Hill type games).[/QUOTE]
I realized this. But, keep in mind that a PS3 sale supports: Blu-ray, Sony, and the PS3. Whether or not you plan to buy games, it still is a sold console to them, which is support in their game division.
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[quote name='dpatel']Indeed. One of these formats needs to die soon. I can't believe companies are NOW trying to unify the formats with dual discs and players. It's a bit too costly and too late. I really hope HD-DVD dies, but I would be happy with either of them dying, if it was soon.
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I totally agree. There's NO WAY I'd buy a movie in either format until there's only one format (I might rent though). There's also no way I'd invest in a player...unless it's like the PS3 where it's just included anyway.
I don't know why anyone would want this to drag out. I'm also not really sure why anyone would want HD-DVD to win, since it's technologically inferior. Like most people though, I don't much care which wins, as long as it's over soon.
The other issue is we need to be able to easily (and legally hopefully) convert HD movies we own to our iPods and whatnot.
IMO dual format players and discs are a really lame "solution". It sort of "worked" for DVD+/-RW (even if it's silly), but it seems incredibly stupid for movies. Right now my understanding is you need two lasers to do that (or three?). Eventually you won't, but that alone raises costs. Plus you'd need ever movie to come out on dual format discs, which will always raise costs and/or reduce the amount of "stuff" that can be stored on a single disc, plus you have to pay licensing fees to two groups, plus then you're buying a dual format disc for a dual format player...which is just beyond silly.
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I totally agree. There's NO WAY I'd buy a movie in either format until there's only one format (I might rent though). There's also no way I'd invest in a player...unless it's like the PS3 where it's just included anyway.
I don't know why anyone would want this to drag out. I'm also not really sure why anyone would want HD-DVD to win, since it's technologically inferior. Like most people though, I don't much care which wins, as long as it's over soon.
The other issue is we need to be able to easily (and legally hopefully) convert HD movies we own to our iPods and whatnot.
IMO dual format players and discs are a really lame "solution". It sort of "worked" for DVD+/-RW (even if it's silly), but it seems incredibly stupid for movies. Right now my understanding is you need two lasers to do that (or three?). Eventually you won't, but that alone raises costs. Plus you'd need ever movie to come out on dual format discs, which will always raise costs and/or reduce the amount of "stuff" that can be stored on a single disc, plus you have to pay licensing fees to two groups, plus then you're buying a dual format disc for a dual format player...which is just beyond silly.
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[quote name='dallow']Oh don't worry, I fully realize this. So bring on whatever it takes for people to buy into it.
Indie movies?
I just want my classics, which should be in the hands of all the majors.[/QUOTE]
Such as?
Indie movies?
I just want my classics, which should be in the hands of all the majors.[/QUOTE]
Such as?
[quote name='mykevermin']Such as?[/quote]
Pretty much all the blockbusters (and smaller ones) pre-1970.
I mentioned "The Sweet Smell Of Success" in my other post.
You can't find finer dialogue than that.
Burt Lancaster and Tony Curtis? ::swoons::
http://imdb.com/title/tt0051036/
I realize I'll probably not be using my BD's potential to watch B&W films.
That's ok.
Pretty much all the blockbusters (and smaller ones) pre-1970.
I mentioned "The Sweet Smell Of Success" in my other post.
You can't find finer dialogue than that.
Burt Lancaster and Tony Curtis? ::swoons::
http://imdb.com/title/tt0051036/
I realize I'll probably not be using my BD's potential to watch B&W films.
That's ok.
[quote name='Wolfpup']I totally agree. There's NO WAY I'd buy a movie in either format until there's only one format (I might rent though). There's also no way I'd invest in a player...unless it's like the PS3 where it's just included anyway.
I don't know why anyone would want this to drag out. I'm also not really sure why anyone would want HD-DVD to win, since it's technologically inferior. Like most people though, I don't much care which wins, as long as it's over soon.
The other issue is we need to be able to easily (and legally hopefully) convert HD movies we own to our iPods and whatnot.
IMO dual format players and discs are a really lame "solution". It sort of "worked" for DVD+/-RW (even if it's silly), but it seems incredibly stupid for movies. Right now my understanding is you need two lasers to do that (or three?). Eventually you won't, but that alone raises costs. Plus you'd need ever movie to come out on dual format discs, which will always raise costs and/or reduce the amount of "stuff" that can be stored on a single disc, plus you have to pay licensing fees to two groups, plus then you're buying a dual format disc for a dual format player...which is just beyond silly.[/QUOTE]
Right now, dual players are priced at about $1,100, I believe. You could get a 360+HD-DVD add-on and a PS3 for under that price (if you go with the core versions). There is absolutely NO reason to go with the dual player yet. Hopefully, by the time they become affordable, one of the formats will already have a significant lead, making the dual part useless.
I really don't see why people want HD-DVD to win either. But, I would rather have HD-DVD win rather than have both formats fighting for a while. Ideally, I want blu-ray to beat out HD-DVD quickly, but if HD-DVD can win it quickly to, I'm up for that.
I don't know why anyone would want this to drag out. I'm also not really sure why anyone would want HD-DVD to win, since it's technologically inferior. Like most people though, I don't much care which wins, as long as it's over soon.
The other issue is we need to be able to easily (and legally hopefully) convert HD movies we own to our iPods and whatnot.
IMO dual format players and discs are a really lame "solution". It sort of "worked" for DVD+/-RW (even if it's silly), but it seems incredibly stupid for movies. Right now my understanding is you need two lasers to do that (or three?). Eventually you won't, but that alone raises costs. Plus you'd need ever movie to come out on dual format discs, which will always raise costs and/or reduce the amount of "stuff" that can be stored on a single disc, plus you have to pay licensing fees to two groups, plus then you're buying a dual format disc for a dual format player...which is just beyond silly.[/QUOTE]
Right now, dual players are priced at about $1,100, I believe. You could get a 360+HD-DVD add-on and a PS3 for under that price (if you go with the core versions). There is absolutely NO reason to go with the dual player yet. Hopefully, by the time they become affordable, one of the formats will already have a significant lead, making the dual part useless.
I really don't see why people want HD-DVD to win either. But, I would rather have HD-DVD win rather than have both formats fighting for a while. Ideally, I want blu-ray to beat out HD-DVD quickly, but if HD-DVD can win it quickly to, I'm up for that.
sparklecopy
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[quote name='dpatel']Right now, dual players are priced at about $1,100, I believe. You could get a 360+HD-DVD add-on and a PS3 for under that price (if you go with the core versions). There is absolutely NO reason to go with the dual player yet. Hopefully, by the time they become affordable, one of the formats will already have a significant lead, making the dual part useless.
I really don't see why people want HD-DVD to win either. But, I would rather have HD-DVD win rather than have both formats fighting for a while. Ideally, I want blu-ray to beat out HD-DVD quickly, but if HD-DVD can win it quickly to, I'm up for that.[/QUOTE]
you know if you sit far away enough from your tv and up the color saturation a bit on your dvd in a progressive upscaled Hdmi format. It looks almost identical to high definition. that's the cheapest solution. try it. Move 5-10 feet back
I really don't see why people want HD-DVD to win either. But, I would rather have HD-DVD win rather than have both formats fighting for a while. Ideally, I want blu-ray to beat out HD-DVD quickly, but if HD-DVD can win it quickly to, I'm up for that.[/QUOTE]
you know if you sit far away enough from your tv and up the color saturation a bit on your dvd in a progressive upscaled Hdmi format. It looks almost identical to high definition. that's the cheapest solution. try it. Move 5-10 feet back
[quote name='sparklecopy']you know if you sit far away enough from your tv and up the color saturation a bit on your dvd in a progressive upscaled Hdmi format. It looks almost identical to high definition. that's the cheapest solution. try it. Move 5-10 feet back[/quote]
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rodeojones903
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Looks like sony is adding another great feature to blu ray.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/blu+ray-sh...ortable-movie-files-on-bluray-dvds-227862.php
http://kotaku.com/gaming/blu+ray-sh...ortable-movie-files-on-bluray-dvds-227862.php
[quote name='sparklecopy']you know if you sit far away enough from your tv and up the color saturation a bit on your dvd in a progressive upscaled Hdmi format. It looks almost identical to high definition. that's the cheapest solution. try it. Move 5-10 feet back[/QUOTE]
Yea, I've got a dvd player that does upscale. I gotta say that I am loving it. A great temporary solution to hold me over until the format war is decided and prices go down.
Also, gizmo, I thought you should see this:
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/versus.aspx
http://www.dvdempire.com/index.asp?userid=99365216092579&tab_id=60&site_id=69&site_media_id=0
According to amazon, it looks like blu-ray is out-selling HD-DVD. Like I said though, it is pretty close between the two (which you can see by how quickly the tide changed), and the fact that one is "Winning" doesnt matter, since both have a long ways to go.
As for that annoucement Sony made. GREAT NEWS! I guess they realized they can't stop people from doing it, so might as well get all those people on board.
Yea, I've got a dvd player that does upscale. I gotta say that I am loving it. A great temporary solution to hold me over until the format war is decided and prices go down.
Also, gizmo, I thought you should see this:
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/versus.aspx
http://www.dvdempire.com/index.asp?userid=99365216092579&tab_id=60&site_id=69&site_media_id=0
According to amazon, it looks like blu-ray is out-selling HD-DVD. Like I said though, it is pretty close between the two (which you can see by how quickly the tide changed), and the fact that one is "Winning" doesnt matter, since both have a long ways to go.
As for that annoucement Sony made. GREAT NEWS! I guess they realized they can't stop people from doing it, so might as well get all those people on board.
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