"UN Demands Hentai Ban"

[quote name='opterasis']Maybe you should have defined "get off" more clearly. And don't be stupid, you've played Halo, killing aliens that are trying to destroy some planets or whatever they're trying to do is hardly murder.[/QUOTE]Way to sneak by the GTA bit there, though. You're like a Dark Templar.

[quote name='opterasis'] Seriously man, my bad. I thought this thread was about rape, a sexual crime, and hentai, cartoons featuring sex. I was obviously mistaken in thinking this thread was sexually related.[/QUOTE]fucks sake...

I was saying that you only seem to think it's a problem if sex is somehow involved. As soon as it's violence - why, that's merely entertainment! Totally fine!

[quote name='opterasis'] And pleasure and entertainment are 2 totally different things.[/QUOTE]
I was going to channel fatherofcaitlyn here and post an image of someone trying to split hair with a knife.

But since that joke's been done, I'll just go straight with this. How are the two so vastly different that one is wrong but the other is not? Why does that matter at all? And what of the many who do take "pleasure" from it? And why are you making fullmetalfan and I argue on the same sides? I was just getting used to having a foil!

[quote name='opterasis']Am I entertained when I'm defending Earth from invading aliens, or the country from another country that wants to nuke us, or another entertaining story line? yes. Am I getting pleasure out of it? Nope.[/QUOTE]Do you seriously never play games where you are the aggressor? Ever? Not even, like, Oblivion (I have a pet theory about that game. Whole thing is a bunch of tree-hugging hippy propaganda, it is.)?

[quote name='opterasis'] However taking pleasure from fictional sexual violence, yes I think that's wrong.[/QUOTE]
Good for you!

Too bad that doesn't mean a fucking thing. Cheating on your spouse is wrong. Cockblocking your roommate is wrong. Masturbating on the Thanksgiving turkey is wrong. But none of these things are illegal.

EDIT: Also, this. Specifically...
pleas⋅ure

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2. Enjoyment or satisfaction derived from what is to one's liking; gratification; delight.
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So bugger to whatever the hell it was you were saying about not taking pleasure from violent videogames, alright?
 
[quote name='opterasis']Let's be honest, I've talked to you enough in the past to know you well enough to know that you don't give a shit about freedom of speech, you're just upset you might not be able to import rape porn anymore. No one that cares as much about freedom of speech as you're pretending to would ever say "religion should be illegal". At least be honest enough to admit that.

To everyone else, it has been a pleasure discussing this with you, I'm off to bed.[/QUOTE]

Avoiding the argument, making it personal.. nice nice.

I'll admit I highly dislike organized religion, and hell it wouldn't phase me if it was made illegal, seeing just how much mindless hate it causes. I'm all for freedoms, and I'm against hate and stupidity, your being a good source of both. Your point? And I wish I imported rape porn. Can't say I've ever seen any, sadly, not something I look for. Now, if you can't make a valid point beyond "IT'S BAD MMK" then step down.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Way to sneak by the GTA bit there, though. You're like a Dark Templar.

fucks sake...

I was saying that you only seem to think it's a problem if sex is somehow involved. As soon as it's violence - why, that's merely entertainment! Totally fine! [/quote]

The GTA thing has been done to death, not much more I can say about it. And all I'm saying is I see violent video games as a form of entertainment and sexual arrousal over the the violent rape of someone as 2 totally different things. Obviously some of you don't, but I do.



Do you seriously never play games where you are the aggressor? Ever? Not even, like, Oblivion (I have a pet theory about that game. Whole thing is a bunch of tree-hugging hippy propaganda, it is.)?
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I'd like to hear this theory some day if you have time.



Too bad that doesn't mean a fucking thing. Cheating on your spouse is wrong. Cockblocking your roommate is wrong. Masturbating on the Thanksgiving turkey is wrong. But none of these things are illegal.
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Depends on the state you live in for the second two. No, that's not an attempt at a joke.


EDIT: Also, this. Specifically...


So bugger to whatever the hell it was you were saying about not taking pleasure from violent videogames, alright?
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Which is why I edited my post, I realized it was a stupid thing to say, I couldn't word what I wanted to say properly.
 
[quote name='georox']Avoiding the argument, making it personal.. nice nice.

I'll admit I highly dislike organized religion, and hell it wouldn't phase me if it was made illegal, seeing just how much mindless hate it causes. I'm all for freedoms, and I'm against hate and stupidity, your being a good source of both. Your point? And I wish I imported rape porn. Can't say I've ever seen any, sadly, not something I look for. Now, if you can't make a valid point beyond "IT'S BAD MMK" then step down.[/QUOTE]

If making it personal actually has a point...which it did. But once again, hypocrite, since it was fine when you did it earlier, but had absolutely no point to it, you just wanted to personally attack me. And you've just made yourself out to be a straight up liar. You have flat out admitted to owning pornographic magazines where females are raped by trees or tentacles, which you purchased from another country. Either you lied then, or you lied now. You're against hate and stupidity? Doe's "I hate scientologists" ring a bell? It's okay to hate, as long as it's hating the right thing apparently.
 
[quote name='opterasis']If making it personal actually has a point...which it did. But once again, hypocrite, since it was fine when you did it earlier, but had absolutely no point to it, you just wanted to personally attack me. I mean I get it, jealousy and all. And you've just made yourself out to be a straight up liar. You have flat out admitted to owning pornographic magazines where females are raped by trees or tentacles, which you purchased from another country. Either you lied then, or you lied now. You're against hate and stupidity? Doe's "I hate scientologists" ring a bell? It's okay to hate, as long as it's hating the right thing apparently.[/QUOTE]

You are still not making a point pertaining to the argument... your just looking for a fight with me.
 
[quote name='georox']You are still not making a point pertaining to the argument... your just looking for a fight with me.[/QUOTE]

My point was that you act like an advocate of freedom, yet said religion should be banned. That's not pertaining to the argument?

Also, that you are a liar so it's hard to even take you serious now. At least before you were just a nerd that was standing up for something, I could have given you some credit for that.
 
[quote name='opterasis']My point was that you act like an advocate of freedom, yet said religion should be banned. That's not pertaining to the argument?[/QUOTE]

No, it isn't. It's pertaining to my thoughts, not the argument at hand. More than anything you are leaning into personal attacks in order to distract from the fact that you stepped into this thread with no valid argument, wanting to stir up trouble with your poorly-formed opinions. You are ignoring anything that proves you wrong, and just attacking people attempting to find a weakness to exploit to get a reaction, not to prove your opinions are correct.
 
[quote name='opterasis']The GTA thing has been done to death, not much more I can say about it. And all I'm saying is I see violent video games as a form of entertainment and sexual arrousal over the the violent rape of someone as 2 totally different things. Obviously some of you don't, but I do. [/quote]Not necessarily. Some people are fine with it, some people aren't. It's just that a lot of us are comfortable with having things that we dislike remain legal.
 
[quote name='georox']No, it isn't. It's pertaining to my thoughts, not the argument at hand. More than anything you are leaning into personal attacks in order to distract from the fact that you stepped into this thread with no valid argument, wanting to stir up trouble with your poorly-formed opinions. You are ignoring anything that proves you wrong, and just attacking people attempting to find a weakness to exploit to get a reaction, not to prove your opinions are correct.[/QUOTE]

That's what this whole fucking thread is about, our thoughts. I THINK people that enjoy rape have a problem, should seek help, and I think rape porn is disgusting, and should be banned. Did I take it a step too far when I said they should be shot? Maybe, but that's to the degree that I despise anyone that would think so lightly of such a dehumanizing act. Is my opinion poorly informed? Maybe. But just like I can't provide any proof that someone that someone who watches it would be more likely to go out and do it, no one has given any proof that it's NOT more likely, other than mentioning Japan, a country that still actively uses the death penalty, where the population is probably too SCARED to commit a crime like that. Were Japans laws a bit more lax like in the U.S., I'd be willing to bet real rapes would be MUCH MUCH more rampant. Other than that, there's nothing to "prove me wrong" about. I'm allowed to think it should be banned, like you're allowed to think religion should be banned, like some mother who lost her kid to a high school shooting is allowed to think violent video games should be banned.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Not necessarily. Some people are fine with it, some people aren't. It's just that a lot of us are comfortable with having things that we dislike remain legal.[/QUOTE]


And I just think the world would be better off with some things just like I'm sure you do too. Not everything needs to turn into a "slippery slope" of us losing every right and freedom we have.
 
Personally think this ban is pointless. Even if rape hentai does get banned, it's still going to be produced. There's a market for it, and I don't see the harm in rape hentai at all, provided that they see it as fantasy, and not something you can do in the real world. When scenarios like that do happen though, it really should be a case-by-case basis; blame the crazy fucker and HIS/HER shortcomings, don't put all the blame on the media.

Also pisses me off that there's no mention of male rape hentai. Will that be banned, or will it be ok, since it's, you know, it'll be men taking it up the ass?

And I think that rape appeases to certain people for the act of dominating/controlling/overpowering someone. That's my take on it, at least.

Cripes, the hentai industry is huge! In this economic fuck-up, is it really smart to force MORE workers out of their jobs?
 
First, woah, woah, woah. Slow down. We're going after your opinion, not your right to hold it. Defending the latter as you just did is pointless.

As for the actual "proof" thing you're talking about? You've wandered into Mykael Vermin territory. He's probably asleep, though. So... go to bed, like you said you would six posts ago. I'm sure he'll be able to deal with this in the morning.

EDIT: Dori-dori just reminded me of something. Do you think BDSM should be banned?
 
[quote name='The Crotch']First, woah, woah, woah. Slow down. We're going after your opinion, not your right to hold it. Defending the latter as you just did is pointless.

As for the actual "proof" thing you're talking about? You've wandered into Mykael Vermin territory. He's probably asleep, though. So... go to bed, like you said you would six posts ago. I'm sure he'll be able to deal with this in the morning.[/QUOTE]

I'm curious to see what he digs up. Sadly, I'll be gone for the weekend, but I'm sure this thread will be alive and kicking still on Monday.
 
[quote name='Dori-dori']

And I think that rape appeases to certain people for the act of dominating/controlling/overpowering someone. That's my take on it, at least.
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Real rape is *mostly* for power, not control/domination stuff. People who tend to watch DVDs/Hentai/etc. tend to enjoy it more for the domination aspect. RL rape tends to be about demoralizing somebody, making them not a person.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']
EDIT: Dori-dori just reminded me of something. Do you think BDSM should be banned?[/QUOTE]

If it's between consenting people? Nope.
 
[quote name='georox']Real rape is *mostly* for power, not control/domination stuff. People who tend to watch DVDs/Hentai/etc. tend to enjoy it more for the domination aspect. RL rape tends to be about demoralizing somebody, making them not a person.[/QUOTE]

That's a good point, and I think it's something you have to keep in mind when discussing rape hentai. A lot of people get off not only in the sexual act itself, but the fact that the other person is at your mercy, and you can do (almost) whatever you want. Although it's mostly for game sims, but I think it can be applied towards hentai as well. Power rush, or whatever.

If it's between consenting people? Nope.
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What if it's a cartoon though? What if one person is portrayed as non-consensual?
 
[quote name='Dori-dori']

What if it's a cartoon though? What if one person is portrayed as non-consensual?[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that no longer make it BDSM? Since BDSM is about submission, dominance, bondage, punishment, etc between consenting people, once it becomes non-consensual, it technically becomes rape? Maybe I'm wrong, that's just how I've thought of it.
 
[quote name='opterasis']Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that no longer make it BDSM? Since BDSM is about submission, dominance, bondage, punishment, etc between consenting people,[/QUOTE]

That's more or less how it is.
 
[quote name='opterasis']Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that no longer make it BDSM? Since BDSM is about submission, dominance, bondage, punishment, etc between consenting people, once it becomes non-consensual, it technically becomes rape? Maybe I'm wrong, that's just how I've thought of it.[/QUOTE]

My mistake; just looked into it in Wikipedia (haha great source, right?), and it emphasized that BDSM isn't a form of sexual abuse.

However, submission, dominance, bondage, and punishment are similar themes in fantasy rape, and they're also aspects that make people uncomfortable with the latter.

And really, what's the difference? What if there's a BDSM couple that role-plays a rape scenario, even though they're both consenting (human or cartoon)? Is it the underlying fact of "oh, they're both ok with it, so that sort of thing shouldn't be banned?"

I guess I just don't understand the desire for the ban. It's one of the thousands of fetishes that causes no harm as long as the user distinguishes between reality and fantasy.

For me, it's the same as those who want to keep prostitution illegal. (sorry, bad comparison, but that's really all I can think of right now) :whistle2:k
 
[quote name='Dori-dori']
And really, what's the difference? What if there's a BDSM couple that role-plays a rape scenario, even though they're both consenting (human or cartoon)? Is it the underlying fact of "oh, they're both ok with it, so that sort of thing shouldn't be banned?"[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I was getting at. I'd give you a high-five if that wasn't totally impossible. And kinda lame.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Exactly what I was getting at. I'd give you a high-five if that wasn't totally impossible. And kinda lame.[/QUOTE]

D:

Anyway, I looked up a few more websites at Google, and here's the supposed letter to the UN from the feminist group, Equality Now:

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies...an_CEDAW44.pdf

This part cracks me up:

Extreme pornography in the form of cartons known as hentai, produced in various media such as comic books, animation, computer games and online entertainment, is easily accessible in Japan and its use is widely accepted.
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Really.

So wait, why isn't this group up in arms for American porn and cartoons depicting rape? Last I checked, rape's a pretty big concern here in the States too.

And yet there's STILL no mention of banning male rape hentai. Where's the Equality Now?
 
To all the people in the "No censorship of anything" brigade, I assume you think child pornography should be available in stores and snuff films should be put on general release in cinemas ?

I mean, if you censor one thing..............................
 
[quote name='benjamouth']To all the people in the "No censorship of anything" brigade, I assume you think child pornography should be available in stores and snuff films should be put on general release in cinemas ?

I mean, if you censor one thing..............................[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot. I've said multiple times, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, what you do in the privacy of your own home is your business, not anyone else's. Then you try to say that I think child pornography, and snuff films should be legal. Seriously? No one is being harmed in the production of cartoon rape porn. It's a cartoon. I would think that someone would be harmed in the filming of a real life snuff film or child pornography thing.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']It's a slippery slope. If you don't defend people who like cartoon rape, then pretty soon it's violent video games, or anything with nudity in it, then it's unpopular speech, and pretty soon you've lost your freedom of speech.[/QUOTE]

Well actually what you said is quoted above, and this is the same argument that we get all the time. "You can't possibly censor one thing else it will lead to the censorship of everything else".

But thats bullshit though isn't it, child porn and snuff films have both been censored and I'm still playing violent videogames.

Sometimes it's not censorship, it's just good taste.

And the whole, what people do in their own homes etc is a flawed argument as well. What people see as acceptable in society may in fact be harming that society. I don't feel qualified to say if it does or doesn't, apparently you do.
 
[quote name='opterasis']If it's between consenting people? Nope.[/QUOTE]
So you are OK with a rape game if the girls are consenting and just enacting rape fantasies.

[quote name='benjamouth']Well actually what you said is quoted above, and this is the same argument that we get all the time. "You can't possibly censor one thing else it will lead to the censorship of everything else".

But thats bullshit though isn't it, child porn and snuff films have both been censored and I'm still playing violent videogames.[/QUOTE]
You really don't see the difference?

[quote name='benjamouth']
Sometimes it's not censorship, it's just good taste.[/QUOTE]
way to contradict everything you just said.
 
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[quote name='benjamouth']Well actually what you said is quoted above, and this is the same argument that we get all the time. "You can't possibly censor one thing else it will lead to the censorship of everything else".

But thats bullshit though isn't it, child porn and snuff films have both been censored and I'm still playing violent videogames.[/quote]
You can't censor free speech, and not have it turn into a slippery slope. Child porn is not free speech, and neither are snuff films. Why? They involve hurting someone. As in a real person. As in not a bunch of pixels.
Sometimes it's not censorship, it's just good taste.
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So if someone thinks violent video games aren't in good taste, we should ban those? What about a speaking out against your government? I'm sure that some people would consider that in bad taste, should we ban that?
And the whole, what people do in their own homes etc is a flawed argument as well. What people see as acceptable in society may in fact be harming that society. I don't feel qualified to say if it does or doesn't, apparently you do.
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How does a cartoon rape porn hurt anyone? Tell me that.
 
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