US officially gives up on Iraq

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Islam will be "the main source" of
Iraq's law and parliament will observe religious principles, negotiators said on Saturday after what some called a major turn in talks on the constitution and a shift in the U.S. position.
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So, after 2000 dead soldiers and $200 billion dollars, we have an Iranian theocracy. Yippee-skippee.

The only 'good' part of this is that its pretty clear that Bush is giving up on the whole mess: His absolute determination to have a constitution done by an arbitrary deadline, to the point where he's completely capitulated to the Islamic fringe, is pretty clear proof that the plan at this point is to declare Iraq 'finished', followed shortly thereafter by getting the hell out of there. Iraq will, of course, immediately collapse into a massive civil war, but that's going to happen anyway. At least no more US soldiers will be getting blown up... Hey, you gotta find the positives when and where you can.
 
What's there to argue? If a democracy with a basis in islam is what the people want, insisting on a completely secular state will only lead to less stability and take away legitimacy (since the u.s. forced its policies on it). It won't be like Iran, Iran has some real democratic elements, but the main power is held by the ayatollah and the appointed revolutionary council. Iraqs power will be held by elected officials.
 
[quote name='Drocket']So, after 2000 dead soldiers and $200 billion dollars, we have an Iranian theocracy. Yippee-skippee.

The only 'good' part of this is that its pretty clear that Bush is giving up on the whole mess: His absolute determination to have a constitution done by an arbitrary deadline, to the point where he's completely capitulated to the Islamic fringe, is pretty clear proof that the plan at this point is to declare Iraq 'finished', followed shortly thereafter by getting the hell out of there. Iraq will, of course, immediately collapse into a massive civil war, but that's going to happen anyway. At least no more US soldiers will be getting blown up... Hey, you gotta find the positives when and where you can.[/QUOTE]

Lets see... Our mission is a failure because the people of Iraq are getting to choose their own goverment.

Wasn't the anti-war belief two years ago that we were going to force them to have the same government we have? Now that's been proven wrong and you still have a problem with it?

That is amazing.
 
[quote name='fanskad']Lets see... Our mission is a failure because the people of Iraq are getting to choose their own goverment.

Wasn't the anti-war belief two years ago that we were going to force them to have the same government we have? Now that's been proven wrong and you still have a problem with it?

That is amazing.[/QUOTE]

I think most of the pro-war community wouldn't have supported the war if they'd known we'd let them have anything other than a pro-western democracy.

What a waste of time, money and oil this war has been.
 
[quote name='fanskad']Lets see... Our mission is a failure because the people of Iraq are getting to choose their own goverment.[/QUOTE]

For one thing, it proves how completely wrong the neocons were and are. We were supposed to be greeted as liberators, followed by Iraq becoming a beacon of democracy for the area. Instead, we've gotten blowed up at every turn, and now we have Iran 2.0.

Secondly, they've pretty much chosen the path of the 'enemy.' They've chosen to ally themselves with Iran, a country which by any rational measure is worse than Saddam's government ever was. All the unfounded accusations we made about Saddam are actually TRUE about Iran - they're actively developing WMDs, and telling us to fuck off. We've replaced a government that was maybe a bit shady about WMDs and replaced it with a government that's probably going to actively help develop them.

This whole thing would be like declaring victory if all of Vietnam has become Communist. We've replaced a goverment that didn't have anything to do with 9/11 or terrorism against America, and in its place, we get a government that allys itself against one of America's worst enemies. Yep, definitely sounds like a victory to me.
 
Nothing is said about an alliance with Iran, it simply states that:

Drocket's Article]Parliament would not be able to pass legislation that contradicted the principles of Islam said:
What's the problem there? They're a religious people who are deciding to put their religion into law.

Besides, Iran is farther from nuclear weapons than they are from democracy already. The younger population of Iran is extremely liberal, supporting the US. It won't be long before the hard-line government has to step down. Especially with a free Iraq neighboring.

Believe me when I say that there's nothing the Imans of Iran fear more than a democratic and peaceful Iraq.
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[quote name='fanskad']Nothing is said about an alliance with Iran, it simply states that:



What's the problem there? They're a religious people who are deciding to put their religion into law.

Besides, Iran is farther from nuclear weapons than they are from democracy already. The younger population of Iran is extremely liberal, supporting the US. It won't be long before the hard-line government has to step down. Especially with a free Iraq neighboring.

Believe me when I say that there's nothing the Imans of Iran fear more than a democratic and peaceful Iraq.[/QUOTE]

Iranian youth support the u.s.? They're more liberal, but the u.s. isn't exactly popular among them.
 
This goes to show Bush's "reverse Midas touch", where everything he touches turns to shit.
 
[quote name='fanskad']Nothing is said about an alliance with Iran, it simply states that:[/quote]
Quite true: that's what the rest of the news page is for.

What's the problem there? They're a religious people who are deciding to put their religion into law.
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Because that's a theocracy, not a democracy (you know, the thing that we invaded in order to create. Well, the latest reason. Well, it was the latest reason last week, at least: I'm not entirely certain what the justification du jour is.)

Besides, Iran is farther from nuclear weapons than they are from democracy already. The younger population of Iran is extremely liberal, supporting the US. It won't be long before the hard-line government has to step down. Especially with a free Iraq neighboring.
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You know, I've been sitting here in front of my screen now for several minutes trying to think of a response here, and quite frankly, I can't. Not because you're in any way right: because you're so completely and utterly wrong that I don't know where to begin. All I can really do is to say that dealing with reality is a whole lot more productive.
 
Gee Alonzo could that have been because one of Bush's ancestors and the rest of the government, as the IDIOTS we are, thought we could control a Middle East country for a while? Personally I'm glad Iran blew up in our face. Honestly I wish we would've left it alone in the first place. Whenever we install these scumbag Pro American dictators in the Middle East there's always a chance it's gonna blow up in our face, as so obviously evidenced by Iran.
What I disapprove of with this new government is the implementation of Islam. The Iranians have deployed an EXTREMIST view of Islam. In a REAL Islamic government women are allowed to work and aren't suppose to have to worry about the discrimination received here. This is the problem you encounter with religion, besides the fact you truly should have NO legal rights to stone someone who's had an abortion or committed adultery, extremist views can become law easier than a secularist government or so I'd like to think.
 
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