US report reveals dysfunction in teen sex ed classes

jmcc

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Teaching abstinence is great and all, but at least report all the facts right. This is as bad as all the misinformation that gets used in anti-drug propaganda.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041202/ts_alt_afp/us_education_sex_041202233602

Full text:
WASHINGTON (AFP) - A congressional staff probe has revealed that sex ed classes, backed by the administration of President George W. Bush (news - web sites), that preach abstinence for US teens feature incorrect or misleading information about the safety of condoms and the risks of abortion.

The report released by Democratic Representative Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record) of California examined claims in sex ed curricula used by federally funded abstinence-only education programs across the United States, one of which claims that just touching another person's genitals "can result in pregnancy."

"The report finds that over two-thirds of these federally funded abstinence programs rely on curricula that distort information about the effectiveness of contraceptives, misrepresent the risks of abortion, blur religion and science, treat stereotypes about girls and boys as scientific fact and contain basic scientific errors."

Such "errors" explain why programs teaching youngsters abstinence "have not been shown to protect adolescents from STDs (sexually transmitted diseases)," according to the report, which was released Wednesday.

The Bush administration has sharply increased funding for programs that teach abstinence as the only way to protect against STDs and unwanted pregnancies.

The US government has devoted 170 million dollars to the cause for the 2005 fiscal year, more than double the 80 million allocated in 2001.

Some class manuals claim that condoms can help transmit the AIDS (news - web sites) virus, that masturbation "can result in pregnancy," that five to 10 percent of women who have had legal abortions will be unable to conceive in the future and that a 43-day-old embryo "may be thought of as a thinking person."

"Something is seriously wrong when federal tax dollars are being used to mislead kids about basic health facts," Waxman said in a statement accompanying the report's release Tuesday.

In other glaring examples plucked from the findings, one curriculum incorrectly lists "exposure to sweat and tears as risk factors for HIV (news - web sites) transmission."

While another claims that "women gauge their happiness and judge their success on their relationships. Men's happiness and success hinge on their accomplishments."

Other examples included sections saying that a pregnancy occurs one out of every seven times that couples use condoms while another curriculum states that in "heterosexual sex, condoms fail to prevent HIV approximately 31 percent of the time."

However, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), "Latex condoms, when used consistently and correctly are highly effective in preventing the transmission of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS."

The report for Waxman's office also cites a study by Columbia University which found that while some "virginity pledgers" did delay sex, 88 percent still had premarital sex and their rates of STDs showed no statistically significant difference from those of non-pledgers.

Other off-the-mark claims cited include: "While a man needs little or no preparation for sex, a woman often needs hours of emotional and mental preparation."

The congressional staffers reviewed the program summaries of 13 curricula used in federally funded abstinence-only education programs across the country.

Of the 13 reviewed, 11 contained "major errors," according to Waxman's office, while the remaining two curricula did not contain major mistakes or distortions.

The eleven curricula are used in 25 states by 69 grantees, including state health departments, school districts, and hospitals as well as religious organizations and pro-life groups.
 
Yes, the cirriculum obviously has flaws, but....

- Condom use doesn't guarantee you immunity from STD's or pregnancy.
- Women that have abortions in some cases can't conceive children later in life. I don't know what the percentage is but that is a fact. I'm thinking in the 3-5% range, not the 5-10% range.
- STD's can be transmitted through oral sex.
- Abstinence is the only 100% method not to get pregnant or get an STD.

Some of the errors are also attributable to the early, early days of AIDS in the 80's when it was not certain if the HIV virus could be transmitted by sweat or tears. Rather than being a lie I can see this as a lack of updated cirriculum. Given that they still teach that the Gulf of Tonkin incident really happened I'm not surprised.

You have to ask though why on Earth our educators and populace can't find a balance between abstinence only teaching and that anal and oral sex can provide significant sexual release without causing pregnancy. Teenagers though figure it out on their own eventually, usually through trial and error.

I learned little outside straight reproductive sex at home. Fortunately my brother always had Penthouse and Variations around for me to learn the meaning of a blow job LOL.
 
The worst part about this is that I am not banging two 19 year old, twin blond bi-sexual sisters.
 
[quote name='CTLesq']The worst part about this is that I am not banging two 19 year old, twin blond bi-sexual sisters.[/quote]

I'm sure the sisters are crying themselves to sleep at night too. :roll:
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']- Women that have abortions in some cases can't conceive children later in life. I don't know what the percentage is but that is a fact. I'm thinking in the 3-5% range, not the 5-10% range.
[/quote]
Actually, only the most astoundingly badly botched abortion would prevent a woman from concieving at all. Allowing for the fact that there are a few doctors that are complete butchers out there, the risk would probably be in the range of 0.0001%

The far more realistic risk is that the woman had difficulty with carrying a pregnancy to term. In fact, having an abortion almost triples your odds of premature birth, bringing them all the way up to 'insignificant'. All in all, its less than the effects of caffeine, actually.

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']You have to ask though why on Earth our educators and populace can't find a balance between abstinence only teaching and that anal and oral sex can provide significant sexual release without causing pregnancy.[/quote]

Because their key goal isn't preventing teen pregnancy or saving lives by slowing the spread of AIDs: its pushing their religious agenda.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
- Abstinence is the only 100% method not to get pregnant or get an STD.
[/quote]

It didn't work for the Virgin Mary (if you choose to believe the bible). :wink:
 
What the religious groups are trying to do is scare kids into NOT using condoms because sex is immoral, while they themselves fuck their secretaries and altar boys.
 
They had Bill First, a doctor, on This Week and the discussion turned to abstinance programs. His comments were shocking.

First, he stated that condoms fail 15% off the time, which is absolute misinformaton and blatantly Untrue. It's not that condoms fail 15% off the time. It's that they reduce the risk of infection to HIV/AIDS by 85%. Further, the risk of pregnancy is only 3% when using a condom properly.

In actuality, a compilation of studies by the CDC showed that there were "0.9 seroconversions [detectable cases of HIV] per 100 person years" with condom users compared to "6.7 seroconversions per 100 person years" for non condom users. What thats basically saying is that if you follow a hundred people for a year who don't use condoms, seven of them will likely develop HIV. If those same 100 people used a condom regularly and appropriately, it's likely only one of them would get HIV.

Then, he specifically blamed the AIDS crisis on the lack of abstinance in Africa! My jaw absolutely dropped. No, it's not the vicious cycles of rape in male-dominated African societies. It's not the forced prostitution and sexual favors due to abject poverty. No, it's not lack of sexual education, where some men believe you man cure AIDS by sleeping with a virgin woman. No, it's not because many men in Africa don't even know what a condom is. It's because they don't practice abstinence.

I have nothing against supporting abstinence. But proposing abstinence against all other measures, or discretiting proven methods of birth and disease provention, is extremist. You can't expect the human race to abstain. It's not practical or realistic. Saying abstinence prevents 100% infection or pregnency is like saying we can eliminate 100% of drownings by proposing people no longer shower, swim, or go near bodies of water.

What Bill Frist said on This Week on ABC was shameful.
 
Damn Ackbar!
Damn fine deconstruction of Dr. Frists "speaking points" on the topic of abstinance.
Don't forget that he's not only a Senator, but hes the Senate Majority Leader.
 
Here's part of the transcript from This Week:

"STEPHANOPOULOS: Now you're a doctor. Do you believe that tears and sweat can transmit HIV?
FRIST: I don't know. I can tell you --
STEPHANOPOULOS: You don’t know?
FRIST: I can tell you things like, like --
STEPHANOPOULOS: Wait. Let me stop you there. You don't know that, you believe that tears and sweat might be able to transmit AIDS?
FRIST: Yeah, no, I can tell you that HIV is not very transmissible as an element, like compared to smallpox, compared to the flu, it's not.
(snip)
STEPHANOPOULOS: ...Let me just clear this up though, do you or do you not believe that tears and sweat can transmit HIV?
FRIST: It would be very hard...for tears and sweat to -- I mean, you can get virus in tears and sweat. But in terms of the degree of infecting somebody, it would be very hard."
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
- STD's can be transmitted through oral sex.
[/quote]

No one ever seems to remember this where I went to school, bunch of sluts, of course we made national news because two dumbass sluts who were freshman were fucking AFTER school without condoms or anything.

In that case I wish they got a STD and died, the weak die, the strong live on.
 
The report released by Democratic Representative Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record) of California examined claims in sex ed curricula used by federally funded abstinence-only education programs across the United States, one of which claims that just touching another person's genitals "can result in pregnancy."

Some class manuals...

no, statistics given here, mmmmmmmm.......

one curriculum incorrectly lists

One curriculum.............

While another claims that ...

Another ONE claims that..........

Of the 13 reviewed, 11 contained "major errors," according to Waxman's office, while the remaining two curricula did not contain major mistakes or distortions.

What were these major errors, the ones listed above? How many in each curricula? One. two? mmmmmmmm.......

There's nothing like spearheading a conspiracy with that one exception.

Frankly, I think distorting sex facts to scare kids away from having sex is a good thing. And I used to fuck a lot in HS and college. I think the 15% failure rate for condoms is pretty darn accurate.


The eleven curricula are used in 25 states by 69 grantees, including state health departments, school districts, and hospitals as well as religious organizations and pro-life groups.

Never did the article cite who drafted the curricula. The feds? The locals? The states? All they hammered was that the BUSH administration backed the abstinance angle of the program. It's only used in 25 out of 50 states, by ony 69 'grantees'. This could be distributed by a few health clinics or some pro-life nazis, NOT a rampant epidemic in the public school systems across the country as this story suggests.

This whole article is gobblygook and the "reporter" who penned it ought to be looking for a new day job.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Frankly, I think distorting sex facts to scare kids away from having sex is a good thing. And I used to shaq-fu a lot in HS and college.[/quote]

Misinformation from the government is a "good thing" as long as it's in the interest of the common good, as deemed by you? For a guy who quotes the US Constitution all the time, you sure are a piece of work.

And I'm sure we're all impressed that you were such a stud in HS.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='bmulligan']Frankly, I think distorting sex facts to scare kids away from having sex is a good thing. And I used to shaq-fu a lot in HS and college.[/quote]

Misinformation from the government is a "good thing" as long as it's in the interest of the common good, as deemed by you? For a guy who quotes the US Constitution all the time, you sure are a piece of work.

And I'm sure we're all impressed that you were such a stud in HS.[/quote]

Well, I think the best part was when he complained about the lack of statistics in the brief write-up about a larger study and then proceded to belch out "I think the 15% failure rate for condoms is pretty darn accurate" with nothing to back him up.
 
Teaching abstinence is irresponsible and dumb - it just won't work. Sex is one of the basic drives of human nature. People ARE GOING TO HAVE SEX. We should be teaching kids how to avoid STDs and unwanted pregnancies, not just hoping they won't have sex at all.

I mean seriously. The huge majority of this country can't resist stuffing their damn faces until they're hugely obese, and we expect teenagers to just not have sex?
 
[quote name='Backlash']The huge majority of this country can't resist stuffing their damn faces until they're hugely obese, and we expect teenagers to just not have sex?[/quote]

That's the best argument I've yet heard... I ttoally agree with you , absitnance on moral grounds will never fly. We just don't instaill morals or discipline like they did in generations past from birth. Kids aren't as naive today.

[quote name='Camoor']Misinformation from the government is a "good thing" as long as it's in the interest of the common good, as deemed by you? For a guy who quotes the US Constitution all the time, you sure are a piece of work.

And I'm sure we're all impressed that you were such a stud in HS.[/quote]

Coming from geekboy who's probably never been laid, this comes as no suprise that you are in awe of my prowess. Since you are NOT a piece of work, I'm more than happy to teach you a few tips on dealing with the ladies....

Obviously you did not read my entire post, again when I mentioned the artice never says who wrote the curricula. Perhaps with your extensive knowledge and intellectual capacity, you would care to enlighten us with these facts Camoor ?
 
[quote name='jmcc']... the best part was when he complained about the lack of statistics in the brief write-up about a larger study and then proceded to belch out "I think the 15% failure rate for condoms is pretty darn accurate" with nothing to back him up.[/quote]

I prefer not to kiss and tell and I didn't log my experiences as scientific research in a controlled study. But if you really want to nit pick about an amusing anecdotal insertion, fine. I'll concede and let you guys win the small battles since you can't handle the big ones.
 
[quote name='bmulligan'][quote name='jmcc']... the best part was when he complained about the lack of statistics in the brief write-up about a larger study and then proceded to belch out "I think the 15% failure rate for condoms is pretty darn accurate" with nothing to back him up.[/quote]

I prefer not to kiss and tell and I didn't log my experiences as scientific research in a controlled study. But if you really want to nit pick about an amusing anecdotal insertion, fine. I'll concede and let you guys win the small battles since you can't handle the big ones.[/quote]

Well, what? You're denying you were complaining about lack of findings in the article and then made a baseless remark right after it?
 
It wasn't baseless, it was from my own basis, my own experience. Not everything you learn in life comes from the internet and the daily news.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']
The report released by Democratic Representative Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record) of California examined claims in sex ed curricula used by federally funded abstinence-only education programs across the United States, one of which claims that just touching another person's genitals "can result in pregnancy."

Some class manuals...

no, statistics given here, mmmmmmmm.......

one curriculum incorrectly lists

One curriculum.............

While another claims that ...

Another ONE claims that..........
[/quote]

Just ONE curriculum having such grossly retarded and inaccurate information is one too many in my opinion.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']It wasn't baseless, it was from my own basis, my own experience. Not everything you learn in life comes from the internet and the daily news.[/quote]

Yeah, lots of stuff is just pulled out of people's asses, I guess.
 
The irony here is that pro family groups are discouraging condom use so girls are going to get knocked up at a higher rate and family life will go down the toilet.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']The irony here is that pro family groups are discouraging condom use so girls are going to get knocked up at a higher rate and family life will go down the toilet.[/quote]

Hey, they deserve it.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
- Abstinence is the only 100% method not to get pregnant or get an STD.
[/quote]

It didn't work for the Virgin Mary (if you choose to believe the bible). :wink:[/quote]
:lol:
 
[quote name='"PittsburghAfterDark"']Yes, the cirriculum obviously has flaws, but....

- Condom use doesn't guarantee you immunity from STD's or pregnancy.
- Women that have abortions in some cases can't conceive children later in life. I don't know what the percentage is but that is a fact. I'm thinking in the 3-5% range, not the 5-10% range.
- STD's can be transmitted through oral sex.
- Abstinence is the only 100% method not to get pregnant or get an STD.

quote]


Thosemay all be true, but, if you believe that the abstinence programs actually work and that teens dont have sex, your an idiot. Teens will have sex. Boys will be boys. The Religious Right needs to just go away and stay out of polotics.
 
I saw that, the condom use was rather low compared to other methods, such as the pill which doesn't stop std's. I wish the results showed if condom use itself had increased.

In a separate report, the agency said that for women aged 15 to 44, the leading methods of contraception in the United States in 2002 were the oral contraceptive pill, 11.7 million women; female sterilization, 10.3 million; the male condom, 6.9 million; male sterilization, 3.5 million, and the Depo-Provera injectable, 2.0 million.

Also though, abstinance programs are gaining more and more steam, these numbers wouldn't reflect the change in sex ed that has happened recently. All the extra support bush is giving these programs, such as requiring schools to teach abstinance only if they want federal money, this study doesn't fully reflect that. It also does not reflect the reasons for this drop, the study of abstinance only programs itself is not due out until 2006 I believe. This simply states the result, not the cause. The internet, pre (or post) abstinance only sex ed classes, tv, they could all contribute. Not everyone had, or has, abstinence only education, I want to see the results of people taking those classes compared to the results of people in sex ed classes that teach abstinence and condom use. That's how you decide which education method is more effective, and statistics that have shown the results of specifically abstinence only education haven't been promising.
 
Wouldn't it be great if parents were the ones to teach children about sex instead of having debates on how the government is or isn't doing a good enough job ?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Wouldn't it be great if parents were the ones to teach children about sex instead of having debates on how the government is or isn't doing a good enough job ?[/quote]

"Religios" parents don't like to allow their children to talk about that sort of thing, so in many cases kids didn't even know what a condom was the first time they had sex.

Somethting has to be done to protect todays youth, whether or not they are deserving of it.
 
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