Verizon handed over MILLIONS of phone record to Constitutional lawyer Obama and the FEDS

Vader582 said:
Disingenuous? Other people in this thread (not you) were talking about race.
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Explain the relevance of the party affiliation of KKK members from 49+ years ago to the modern iteration of the two main political parties. After you do that, explain which of the two parties more closely represents the ideology of the KKK today. Then, if you can get through a couple of sentences without veering off into insults and goalpost-shifting, tie it all back to see if your critique of the Democratic Party from 50+ years ago is fair to apply to the modern-day Democratic Party. I'll even give you bonus points for addressing the Southern Strategy(I know you won't though).

tl;dr(cause I know you didn't): How is your point about the membership of the Democratic Party from 50+ years ago not disingenuous when you're heavily implying that they're the exact same way today?

Go back to page one. Perhaps you need to get some of that "reading comprehension"? You reacted without thinking. Must be a HUGE chip on your shoulder. Typical liberal behavior though. Be proud.
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I'm addressing YOUR points; not someone else's. All you've done in this thread is make insults and use "liberal" as a pejorative descriptor. Maybe you should read your own goddamn posts before slinging around insults and making strawman arguments.

And in case my initial couple posts were going over your head(although it seems like all of them are and I bet this one will too despite spelling everything out), I was satirizing your posts until you decided to jump off the deep end with you comment about the Democratic Party from 50 years ago.

You're probably just trolling this thread anyways, so I'm out unless you provide anything of substance.
 
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More typical "LIBERAL" behavior. Shake my head.
I'm "below" you because I don't "understand" you. And I'm the one flinging insults even though your first response to me called me a "racist"?
Whatever. You win. Enjoy your thread. I don't have enough time to game much less slam my head against the wall here.
 
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Vader582 said:
Purple Flames said:
This is a classic conservative tactic: say racist shit, get called out on it, accuse the person calling you out of "race baiting". Over the last few years or so they've honed that one to perfection.
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What exactly did I say that was racist again?
I asked simply why I can't disagree with the PotUS and not be a racist?

Do you guys seriously think the Democratic Party, the party of choice for the KKK, is devoid of racism? Really?
Shake my head.

Listen to yourself dohdough. You've made judgments about me without knowing anything. That kind of generalization is pretty damn close to racism. I dare say your apparent hatred of "white" people IS racism. Your attitude is as bad as the one you despise.
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bshirk said:
I'm too tired to find a bunch of quotes and videos right now, but this blog seems to give a pretty good rundown of some of the things that were said.
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Easily one of the worst blogs I have ever read. The only person I can see being a racist would be Michelle Bachmann and even then the chance is quite slim.
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If you can't identify the racism in their statements, you clearly don't know the meaning of the word.

Vader582 said:
More typical "LIBERAL" behavior. Shake my head. I'm "below" you because I don't "understand" you. And I'm the one flinging insults even though your first response to me called me a "racist"? Whatever. You win. Enjoy your thread. I don't have enough time to game much less slam my head against the wall here
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Maybe if you conservatives spent less time race-baiting and praying to sky gods, we could have reasonable discussions. But, I understand. You probably have an anti-gay rally or ways to increase defense spending meeting to attend.

 
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Well the white conservatives are up in arms NOT really because of the spying but because a BLACK president have the audacity to now target the status quo..

It was quite ok with the white status quo when minorities were rounded up, they were stop and frisked, asked for id, prove citizenships, and spied on.   Funny how the white media are now all over Obama, where was the white media when people were indefinitely detained, muslims was being raided by FBI while they slept, innocent people was being framed...

I may not condone or justify the actions of terrorists, but in their regards that everyone is fair game because of the gov't they support, I can find it not hard to understand.   Many people here have shown their own self-interest over the rights of others, what don't affect them don't matter to them.  Racists who can't see their own reflections to libertarians who say they aren't republican but hold the republican value of race hating.  The only difference btw a republican and a so-called libertarian is that a libertarian have respect for women then the republicans do. 

 
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Well the white conservatives are up in arms NOT really because of the spying but because a BLACK president have the audacity to now target the status quo..

It was quite ok with the white status quo when minorities were rounded up, they were stop and frisked, asked for id, prove citizenships, and spied on. Funny how the white media are now all over Obama, where was the white media when people were indefinitely detained, muslims was being raided by FBI while they slept, innocent people was being framed...

I may not condone or justify the actions of terrorists, but in their regards that everyone is fair game because of the gov't they support, I can find it not hard to understand. Many people here have shown their own self-interest over the rights of others, what don't affect them don't matter to them. Racists who can't see their own reflections to libertarians who say they aren't republican but hold the republican value of race hating. The only difference btw a republican and a so-called libertarian is that a libertarian have respect for women then the republicans do.
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Agreed. Most of them didn't give a damn then.

 
Here is the thing that make RAND Paul a joke and nothing like his dad.....

He goes around blaming everything on Obama

When if you looked at it from a strategic kind of way, Obama only choices was to either scrap the whole spying program and be called a terrorist supporting America weakening Muslim POTUS or expand the spying program for use on the same white status quo that so supported it when it was never used on them.

So in a way he may actually have help paved the way to possibly scrapping the whole spying program since the white status quo now know how it feels to be the minority.  But for all the people who continue to say racism is dead in america, get out of your rock, the fact remains the same the white status quo will always look to target the minority and ignore the rights of those that are not in their "circle".

Maybe the best way to show people the light is when the light needs to be shined on them.   But until the day conservatism/narrow mindedness dies, I hold no hope and we will continue to repeat history just with different faces to be the NEW enemy/flavor of the day

And there is NO WAY IN HE** will Obama ever go on tv on the record to say he would scrap the spying program because it was really meant to target a single group of minorities.   Especially a president of minority background, against a white status quo that is even more powerful then he is

 
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bshirk said:
mrsilkunderwear said:
bshirk said:
I'm too tired to find a bunch of quotes and videos right now, but this blog seems to give a pretty good rundown of some of the things that were said.
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Easily one of the worst blogs I have ever read. The only person I can see being a racist would be Michelle Bachmann and even then the chance is quite slim.
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If you can't identify the racism in their statements, you clearly don't know the meaning of the word.
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I think your just blind with hatred for republicans to see the truth. I am going to go ahead and defend two people on the list.

1. Ron Paul

He never argued that this a moral evil and a violation of white people' liberty. He argued that the bill destroyed the private property rights and civil liberty. See the bill gave the government incredible power over the hiring and employee relations which led to violations of private property rights. In order to make sure that the establishment is not racist they would be required to hire based on racial quotas. Forced integration only increases racial tension. America has improved when it comes to racism due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts, not because of the Civil Rights Act.

Also Ron Paul was endorsed by many blacks including Tavis Smiley and Cornel West. Here is also a video I just found of random African Americans supporting Ron Paul.

2. Rick Santorum

Before I start defending his comment, I am gonna go ahead and tell you that I hate Rick with passion. He is my most hated candidate of 2012.

The crappy blog is so anti republican that it starts skewing things to make these people look like the biggest racists in the country. Rick Santorum never called any black people parasites nor did he every imply that. The blog of course does not even list the full quote which is "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money; I want to give them opportunity to go out and earn money." With a full quote it presents an entirely different image of Rick. As someone once said "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." I do not see a problem with that at all.

There we go, I just refuted two claims and I bet the rest of them are crap either. Keep in mind that I disliked everyone but Ron Paul on that list and would not want to seem to become a president for many different reasons but racism is not of them. If your going to call them out on something than make sure it is something legitimate.

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Here is the thing that make RAND Paul a joke and nothing like his dad.....

He goes around blaming everything on Obama

When if you looked at it from a strategic kind of way, Obama only choices was to either scrap the whole spying program and be called a terrorist supporting America weakening Muslim POTUS or expand the spying program for use on the same white status quo that so supported it when it was never used on them.

So in a way he may actually have help paved the way to possibly scrapping the whole spying program since the white status quo now know how it feels to be the minority. But for all the people who continue to say racism is dead in america, get out of your rock, the fact remains the same the white status quo will always look to target the minority and ignore the rights of those that are not in their "circle".

Maybe the best way to show people the light is when the light needs to be shined on them. But until the day conservatism/narrow mindedness dies, I hold no hope and we will continue to repeat history just with different faces to be the NEW enemy/flavor of the day
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I find Rand Paul far from being a joke. Unlike his father, he is quickly becoming one of the most popular republicans in years. While I do not like the fact that he is blaming many things on Obama but that is the way politics work, he is working within the system. His father only told the truth and look where it got him, both parties went against him and he had no chance of winning the primaries.

I also disagree with your statement about those two choices. He could have completely shut the system down considering that would the right thing to do. Instead he keeps trying to justify it.

 
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I also disagree with your statement about those two choices. He could have completely shut the system down considering that would the right thing to do. Instead he keeps trying to justify it.
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strategic wise those are the only 2 choices, fight against that white privilage status quo and get personally assassinated or use the status quo against itself

 
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mrsilkunderwear said:
I also disagree with your statement about those two choices. He could have completely shut the system down considering that would the right thing to do. Instead he keeps trying to justify it.
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strategic wise those are the only 2 choices, fight against that white privilage status quo and get personally assassinated or use the status quo against itself
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So you applaud Obama for being politically smooth but call out Rand Paul for doing the same thing?

Its his second and last term, if he shut the system down then I am sure he would gain more followers than ever. Obama beat McCain who was supposed to continue Bush's policies and attacks on civil liberties. Obama won because majority believed he would make the government more transparent and give the people a fighting chance against the political overlords.

 
The interview Edward Snowden gave to the Guardian in Hong Kong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5yB3n9fu-rM

He does give a very compelling case on why he did what he did, and does explain of what has happened to our military.

 
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So you applaud Obama for being politically smooth but call out Rand Paul for doing the same thing?

Its his second and last term, if he shut the system down then I am sure he would gain more followers than ever. Obama beat McCain who was supposed to continue Bush's policies and attacks on civil liberties. Obama won because majority believed he would make the government more transparent and give the people a fighting chance against the political overlords.
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I do not applude such a plan, because he still deserve to be strip of his Peace medal ( a man who authorize assassination is not a man of peace )

I was merely pointing out that if I was to scrap a program that targeted a few who nobody really cared about WHEN I AM ALSO considered a minority myself, I would have to think stradegy if I was to scrap such a program. Its merely turning the system on itself, sometimes people need to taste their own medicine before they understand. Right and Wrong don't matter when people themselves have no care for others except themself, so in order to make the change you need everyone on board.

 
The party don't start until people start being called liberal as an insult.

I remember people blindly supporting Obama like he was about to change America overnight. It was definitely a change for the better in that we finally had a minority as President but the poor guy gets roadblocked at every opportunity, and I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.

What's disappointing is that I think because of that he just started doing things to spite his enemies, America be damned.

 
He so far has been a much better choice to the alternative Romney/McCain train.

The thing that I am looking for is why this is being kicked up now.

The economy is coming strong.

Lots of jobs available.

Housing is returning.

Stocks are way up.

And Obamacare is kicking in.

Don't you find it just a bit fishy that with everything going so well, people on the red side are just chasing after every bit they can to drum up drama here?

Really think about the "scandals" that have come up so far in the last 2 years.

And someone did say that the Democratic party was the party of the KKK. This is true BUT - if you remember your history you will know that the same group of guys made a party switch. Today's Democrats would have been yesterday's Republicans and same for the Repubs today being Democrats yesterday.

 
What does all the money, jobs, healthcare matter to you when you are living under a police state without freedoms.

How much is your rights and freedom worth?  A dumb job, a couple thousands in the bank, free healthcare so you can live long enough to see yourself oppressed and controlled?

Seriously?

Verizon, AT&T and the thousands of companies who work toe in toe with our gov't is a reflection of how NAZI GERMANY gov't: Corporatism

 
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Again.

You are missing the big picture.

Things are going really well and you need to stop trying to tell yourself that we are Nazi germany.

Nazi Germany was more socialist than we are today. 

If public health programs scare you, then yes I suppose you could sit here and talk all day about how we are becoming the National Socialists.

Don't let your brain explode with that last sentence. 

Things are going really well and what I believe we are seeing is just people fishing for problems. This is no different from the IRS (which isn't enforcing the 501C3 - that's the real scandal) or the Benghazi debacle which we found out was really about one group refusing to provide funding for security.

 
First of all the healthcare law was written in favor for corporations, it is the insurers who are going to make out because of the law

If you think having a job, a house, and some money in the bank, is worth the future we are headed where the gov't control and watch over us, go right ahead.

Patriot Act

Wiretapping

TSA

Facial/biometric database

DNA collection

NSA phone/internet mining

Did this happen overnight, it took 10 years?  Freedoms don't disappear overnight, it have over time as so people tend to forget one for another.

And finally I am no conservative in any regards nor a right wing nor a repukican.  We are all moving toward the right and that is enough to be scary.   

 
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He so far has been a much better choice to the alternative Romney/McCain train.

The thing that I am looking for is why this is being kicked up now.

The economy is coming strong.

Lots of jobs available.

Housing is returning.

Stocks are way up.

And Obamacare is kicking in.

Don't you find it just a bit fishy that with everything going so well, people on the red side are just chasing after every bit they can to drum up drama here?

Really think about the "scandals" that have come up so far in the last 2 years.

And someone did say that the Democratic party was the party of the KKK. This is true BUT - if you remember your history you will know that the same group of guys made a party switch. Today's Democrats would have been yesterday's Republicans and same for the Repubs today being Democrats yesterday.
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These NSA scandals are legit scandals dude.

 
jdelrio22 said:
He so far has been a much better choice to the alternative Romney/McCain train.

The thing that I am looking for is why this is being kicked up now.

The economy is coming strong.

Lots of jobs available.

Housing is returning.

Stocks are way up.

And Obamacare is kicking in.

Don't you find it just a bit fishy that with everything going so well, people on the red side are just chasing after every bit they can to drum up drama here?

Really think about the "scandals" that have come up so far in the last 2 years.

And someone did say that the Democratic party was the party of the KKK. This is true BUT - if you remember your history you will know that the same group of guys made a party switch. Today's Democrats would have been yesterday's Republicans and same for the Repubs today being Democrats yesterday.
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He might seem better because he is a great speaker, seems down to earth and is supported by many celebrities. The problem is that he is actually the same if not worse.

Jobs are not returning, all statistics are manipulated.

Housing market is being artificially inflated just like in early 2000s until 2008 crash.

Stocks are nothing dude. It is no real indicator of the economic performance.

Obamacare is bad. I want everyone to have the opportunity for great healthcare but without government force. You might disagree and that is ok, just give it time.

Sure the republicans are attacking Obama, its politics. He is vulnerable and they are doing everything to destroy his foundation. The problem is that many democrats who went against Bush's policies are now silent. Same thing with republicans who were only now started to push back against the policies they put in place. Maybe next time instead of voting for lesser evil, consider a third party. Right leaning Libertarians or leftist Green party, both I am sure will be much better choices.

 
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Sure the republicans are attacking Obama, its politics. He is vulnerable and they are doing everything to destroy his foundation. The problem is that many democrats who went against Bush's policies are now silent. Same thing with republicans who were only now started to push back against the policies they put in place. Maybe next time instead of voting for lesser evil, consider a third party. Right leaning Libertarians or leftist Green party, both I am sure will be much better choices.
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WHATS THAT ABOUT REPUBLICANS attacking Obama and fighting back the policies they help create

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/snowden-nsa-leaks-republicans/2013/06/11/id/509148

http://www.newser.com/story/169267/republicans-snowden-is-dangerous.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/10/gops-peter-king-nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-must-be-/

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/house-speaker-john-boehner-nsa-leaker-a-traitor/

You talk a great game but your true color is very evident...

 
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mrsilkunderwear said:
Sure the republicans are attacking Obama, its politics. He is vulnerable and they are doing everything to destroy his foundation. The problem is that many democrats who went against Bush's policies are now silent. Same thing with republicans who were only now started to push back against the policies they put in place. Maybe next time instead of voting for lesser evil, consider a third party. Right leaning Libertarians or leftist Green party, both I am sure will be much better choices.
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WHATS THAT ABOUT REPUBLICANS attacking Obama and fighting back the policies they help create

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/snowden-nsa-leaks-republicans/2013/06/11/id/509148

http://www.newser.com/story/169267/republicans-snowden-is-dangerous.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/10/gops-peter-king-nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-must-be-/

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/house-speaker-john-boehner-nsa-leaker-a-traitor/

You talk a great game but your true color is very evident...
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Let me clarify myself. I was talking about the likes of Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Mike Lee and etc.

I posted enough on these forums that you should know my extreme dislike for both parties. People like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi should be tried for treason and sent off to jail. I do not share their opinion on this matter as what Snowden did is illegal but justified. When the government is above the law, people should fight back and that includes civil disobedience.

 
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You know why I could never think the way that some of you nutters do? It's simple, your own logic disproves your opinions, yet you don't see it. All poltiicisns are corrupt, vote for a third party! Do you not see how that makes no logical sense? Oh but they'll be different! How do you know that? Because they say they will be? Are you really that naive? I'd respect you all more if you just said you were anarchists.

I pride myself on using logic and reason to think most things through, and it's for that reason that I'll simply never be able to understand some of you, you make no logical sense most of the time.

 
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Yeah, that makes no sense.  Instead, keep voting for the same guys that keep screwing everyone over.  Maybe *this* time will be different.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

And third party supporters are the ones who are "nutters".

 
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You know why I could never think the way that some of you nutters do? It's simple, your own logic disproves your opinions, yet you don't see it. All poltiicisns are corrupt, vote for a third party! Do you not see how that makes no logical sense? Oh but they'll be different! How do you know that? Because they say they will be? Are you really that naive? I'd respect you all more if you just said you were anarchists.

I pride myself on using logic and reason to think most things through, and it's for that reason that I'll simply never be able to understand some of you, you make no logical sense most of the time.
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They will hopefully not be as entrenched and indebted to the lobbyist and special interests. They will also hopefully be more eager to actually change, reform, or downright end inefficient and abused gov't policies because their "power base" will not be greedy corporations or generational welfare moochers. Sure, it sounds like very hopeful wishing, but the 2 parties we have let run us so far both kinda suck. Eventually someone's gotta get it right, right? ;) If we did get a decent third party, after too much exposure to power in gov't, then they also will probably become bloated and corrupt. Start again! There is no reason that a new party can not be instituted every time that like minded individuals decide to compare notes. Do the Repubs and Dems truly "fit" every political ideal? I personally want fiscal responsibility via massive limiting of the military, corporate and personal welfare, and other inefficient programs, I also believe as a free people that gays should be allowed to get married(it goes against my religious beliefs, but I can separate freedom and belief). I'm anti- war, anti- tax, and anti- welfare, while supporting drug legalization across the board. The Repubs and Dems don't know what to do with people like me. There will be no change until the people demand it, and we are all to busy wondering who will win American Idol or die on Game of Thrones next week to actually do more then complain on a political forum.

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMfhC4CwUnM&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raxUNmzgCWE

Hehheheheehehhhehehehehe....Biden saying don't trust a president to do the right thing.

 
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