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Now that we have our two nominees, who do you think the VPs are going to be? Who do you want the VP to be? Moreover, does it really matter to you?


Names thrown around for Obama include; Clinton, Edwards (though he said he won't take it today), & Richardson.

Names heard related to McCain include; Romney, Huckabee, Rice, & Jindal.




For me, with two candidates that I'm less than enthusiastic about, the chioce of VP could swing me towards the other candidate.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']Now that we have our two nominees, who do you think the VPs are going to be? Who do you want the VP to be?[/quote]
Who is VP really doesn't matter to me personally. Historically they really have no power over policy. And this is true no matter how much bush haters want to throw out words like "Cheny" and "Haliburton".

Moreover, does it really matter to you?
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No



That being said, I admit it could have a great deal of sway on the election. But I think it's a forgone conclusion Democrats win this time, unless some big event happens between now and November (and it very well might).
 
All I care about is Obama getting someone that will help him when the election. Namely, someone to get those white, working class votes which he didn't get in the primary.
 
It matters a lot for McCain as he is only going to serve one term. I see him picking Romney.

Obama would have to be an idiot if he picks Hillary. She and her husband would completely overshadow his presidency. Richardson would be a good choice, he has the extensive foreign policy experience that would balance out Obama's inexperience in that regard.
 
Senator Webb's name has also been thrown around for Obama. I'm thinking all that Obama needs is someone who has military/national defense knowledge to get past Mccains constant "I was in the military and you weren't" weak arguement.
 
[quote name='homeland']Senator Webb's name has also been thrown around for Obama. I'm thinking all that Obama needs is someone who has military/national defense knowledge to get past Mccains constant "I was in the military and you weren't" weak arguement.[/QUOTE]
I love Jim Webb. He's the friggin man, but he would be an awful veep. He's just way too hardcore to be a veep. I would follow Jim Webb to war, to hell if need be. I like him that much. I'm secretly hoping he ends up as SecDef.

For the Dems, I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be Richardson.

For the Repubs, Crist and Jindal seem the best, most obvious choices.
 
[quote name='speedracer']
For the Dems, I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be Richardson.
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I'm almost with you on that...but I worry that having a black man and a hispanic on the ticket will be a tough sell in Pennsylvania and Ohio were Obama already struggled.

On the other hand, it will help in New Mexico, Florida etc. with large hispanic populations, maybe even Texas. So if he could bring in one or two fo those states, it might be ok to drop Ohio or Florida.

Virginia is another "swing" state--hardly ever goes Democrat (hasn't since Johnson I believe) but I think Obama has a chance there, so maybe having Webb or Warner would be better if they could deliver Va and get the working class white vote in Ohio and Pennsylvania that Obama couldn't get.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I'm almost with you on that...but I worry that having a black man and a hispanic on the ticket will be a tough sell in Pennsylvania and Ohio were Obama already struggled.

On the other hand, it will help in New Mexico, Florida etc. with large hispanic populations, maybe even Texas. So if he could bring in one or two fo those states, it might be ok to drop Ohio or Florida.[/QUOTE]
I think it would put Texas into play, which would effectively kill McCain. I personally believe that if you make the Repub defend Texas or the Dem defend California with any amount of vigor, they're effectively dead already.

And more than one person has (somewhat nervously) joked with me that putting Richardson on the ticket would guarantee that Obama not get shot at..
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']No to Clinton, Romney, Huckabee and anyone named Bush.[/QUOTE]

Oh please do extrapolate. I don't want to work today.

What is your issues with the first three?
 
Just saw an AP story with a good angle on the pros/cons of having Clinton on the ticket.

1. Adding her could help bring in her supporters who are saying they'll vote for McCain or stay at home.

2. But adding her would alienate some independents, moderate republicans fed up after Bush etc., who Obama is strongly courting.

Thinking that way, I really think he's better off with someone else. I think a lot of the Hillary supporters will eventually come around--McCain is nearly polar opposite on a lot of issues from her, and Obama has very few differences. These people will eventually quit being sore losers and realize it's in their best interests to support Obama. Not all, but a lot of them.

So he's better off getting someone that will help with the independents and frustrated, moderate republicans. Even better if they can help with white middle class dems and hispanic voters.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I'm somewhat amused that some of you talk as if McCain has a chance.[/QUOTE]

Never, never underestimate the ability of the Democrats to completely and utterly fuck up what should be an easy win.
 
[quote name='trq']Never, never underestimate the ability of the Democrats to completely and utterly fuck up what should be an easy win.[/QUOTE]

I guess that's true. But man, all political issues aside, it's really hard to vote for someone the same age of many people I don't believe should even be driving.
 
1. Clinton is an evil bitch.
2. I lived in Mass during the Romney years, you don't want him. People keep bringing up that he won (I wrote "one", the heat is getting to me. :)) in a blue state, he won because the democrat was the biggest idiot ever.
3. Huckabee is a red neck freak who thinks we live in a Leave it to Beaver world.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']1. Clinton is an evil bitch.
2. I lived in Mass during the Romney years, you don't want him. People keep bringing up that he won (I wrote "one, the heat is getting to me. :)) in a blue state, he won because the woman democrat was the biggest idiot ever.
3. Huckabee is a red neck freak who thinks we live in a Leave it to Beaver world.[/quote]


Winning in Mass isn't even much of an accomplishment anyway, the previous 3governors before him were Republicans too.
 
I do think out of all the candidates that have run, Romney has the best experience economically.

It just really depends on what issues are most important to you though.
 
[quote name='homeland']Winning in Mass isn't even much of an accomplishment anyway, the previous 3governors before him were Republicans too.[/quote]

Yep another thing they never brought up, I wanted to call up all the stations and explain that to them because they would go "Well he ran the Olympics and was a red governor in a blue state". Just further proof the democrats know how to fuck up elections better than anyone.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I guess that's true. But man, all political issues aside, it's really hard to vote for someone the same age of many people I don't believe should even be driving.[/QUOTE]

Good point. After Regan, I'm inclined to agree. Supposedly the Alzheimer's didn't set in until he left office, but I think it's pretty clear that's not true. Presumably he was insulated against making any major decisions in the end, but you never know. I half believe that all of his "I don't recall" answers during Iran-Contra were genuine.

Anyway, what's the average male life expectancy? 76? So ... McCain would be a one-term president, statistically? Makes that VP all the more important.
 
[quote name='trq']

Anyway, what's the average male life expectancy? 76? So ... McCain would be a one-term president, statistically? Makes that VP all the more important.[/quote]

Same with Obama, I'm still terrified something is going to happen to him, more so before the election. We would lose a great leader and then Clinton would have to be the democrat.
 
Yeah, to me that's why VP is pretty important this time.

McCain is old as fuck, you have to consider the possibility of him dying in office more than when electing some one in their 40's or 50's (or even 60's). And being black, the risk of Obama being assassinated is certainly higher--too many crazy racist people out there still.
 
They need to pick someone from a more important state.

And Obama's lead VP finder had to resign over some bank thing, not good. Of course McCain is great friends with a business guy who is one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in, but no one reports that.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']They need to pick someone from a more important state.

And Obama's lead VP finder had to resign over some bank thing, not good. Of course McCain is great friends with a business guy who is one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in, but no one reports that.[/quote]

You talking about Phil Gram Mccains finance advisor? Olberman always brings that up on Countdown. Its just a shame we have to rely on fringe news programs to get these facts.
 
[quote name='homeland']Its just a shame we have to rely on fringe news programs to get these facts.[/quote]

That's my problem, I enjoy Countdown, but he's not a real newsman, he's biased, and it shows a lot. He's obviously a democrat. I want it to be on the nightly news I trust those guys.
 
Having a hispanic as the VP might help with all the people that think Obama will be assassinated by some white supremist b/c he is black.
 
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