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It's cool, they're gonna create jobs any second now.
Because concentrating wealth creates jobs. Not the demand-side, which depletes a company's supply until they hire enough to meet the demand. That's just stupid.
Because concentrating wealth creates jobs. Not the demand-side, which depletes a company's supply until they hire enough to meet the demand. That's just stupid.
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[quote name='Sarang01']Old Wealth never truly creates anything of purpose either MSI.
What the
did the Medici's actually create with their own hands? Nuff said.[/QUOTE]
Oligarchies have a long (long) history of corrupting idealistic ventures going back the length of recorded history, and probably further.
Sad to say we are just reliving the mistakes of the past. I credit the founding fathers in that the common man still has a hope of seeing this out, but at the same time I'm not going to hold my breath.
What the
did the Medici's actually create with their own hands? Nuff said.[/QUOTE]Oligarchies have a long (long) history of corrupting idealistic ventures going back the length of recorded history, and probably further.
Sad to say we are just reliving the mistakes of the past. I credit the founding fathers in that the common man still has a hope of seeing this out, but at the same time I'm not going to hold my breath.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/15/us-usa-taxes-idUSTRE7B827K20111215
Stay classy Democrats
PS Mark the date and time I lost hope in the Democratic party
Talk of the Nation tonight(an NPR show you can listen to online)has a segment tonight about college tuition costs.
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/14/143718677/does-a-college-education-have-to-cost-so-much
Many OWS people are upset about student loan debt so I figured id drop this here if anyone cares.
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/14/143718677/does-a-college-education-have-to-cost-so-much
Many OWS people are upset about student loan debt so I figured id drop this here if anyone cares.
[quote name='mykevermin']It's cool, they're gonna create jobs any second now.
Because concentrating wealth creates jobs. Not the demand-side, which depletes a company's supply until they hire enough to meet the demand. That's just stupid.[/QUOTE]
Sorry....had to bust it out again.
Because concentrating wealth creates jobs. Not the demand-side, which depletes a company's supply until they hire enough to meet the demand. That's just stupid.[/QUOTE]
Sorry....had to bust it out again.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']ing $145 million dollars for one ing year and people bitch about athlete and movie star salaries?!?!? What the people, what. the. .[/QUOTE]
A lesser obscenity is not overwritten by a greater obscenity, they are both still obscene.
ing $145 million dollars for one ing year and people bitch about athlete and movie star salaries?!?!? What the people, what. the. .[/QUOTE]A lesser obscenity is not overwritten by a greater obscenity, they are both still obscene.
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[quote name='mykevermin']It's cool, they're gonna create jobs any second now.
Because concentrating wealth creates jobs. Not the demand-side, which depletes a company's supply until they hire enough to meet the demand. That's just stupid.[/QUOTE]
"Trickle-down economics" is one of the biggest scams ever pulled. Trick is even in the name (I guess that's why they call it supply-side).
That said, ideally we would disrupt the consumption/expansion/exploitation model of economy and move toward one of sustenance. I know that would be unamurrican to many, but so much of our economy is based on superfluous spending and waste.
Because concentrating wealth creates jobs. Not the demand-side, which depletes a company's supply until they hire enough to meet the demand. That's just stupid.[/QUOTE]
"Trickle-down economics" is one of the biggest scams ever pulled. Trick is even in the name (I guess that's why they call it supply-side).
That said, ideally we would disrupt the consumption/expansion/exploitation model of economy and move toward one of sustenance. I know that would be unamurrican to many, but so much of our economy is based on superfluous spending and waste.
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[quote name='Clak']You get some amount of joy trying to make such a small distinction, don't you? It's like you're saying "See, this proves something!" and nobody knows what that is.[/QUOTE]
Small distinction? That's like saying it's a boat, but it has wheels and doesn't float. It clearly goes against the definition, yet people like you are always offended because the thought that America is not a democracy and China is not full of communists throws your entire views askew. For your information, China considered themselves socialists, not communists. And we've we're obviously not a democracy, cause we don't all have an equal voice, despite what you want to believe.
Small distinction? That's like saying it's a boat, but it has wheels and doesn't float. It clearly goes against the definition, yet people like you are always offended because the thought that America is not a democracy and China is not full of communists throws your entire views askew. For your information, China considered themselves socialists, not communists. And we've we're obviously not a democracy, cause we don't all have an equal voice, despite what you want to believe.
[quote name='MSI Magus']Was just watching last nights daily show and I thought this was a very good observation.
"If you are black and you are poor it is your own fault. If you are white and you are poor it is Chinas fault, or the the goverment or those black people sucking up all the welfare's fault."[/QUOTE]
You should go into more depth about this one because it makes you look like a racist piece of shit.
edit: sarcasm can be misinterpreted easily in this case.
"If you are black and you are poor it is your own fault. If you are white and you are poor it is Chinas fault, or the the goverment or those black people sucking up all the welfare's fault."[/QUOTE]
You should go into more depth about this one because it makes you look like a racist piece of shit.
edit: sarcasm can be misinterpreted easily in this case.
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You just look like an idiot for not understanding his post. But that isn't anything new.
[quote name='elessar123']Small distinction? That's like saying it's a boat, but it has wheels and doesn't float. It clearly goes against the definition, yet people like you are always offended because the thought that America is not a democracy and China is not full of communists throws your entire views askew. For your information, China considered themselves socialists, not communists. And we've we're obviously not a democracy, cause we don't all have an equal voice, despite what you want to believe.[/QUOTE]
Technically, if you want to split hairs, we ARE a democracy, albeit a representative one, hence democratic republic. And yeah, China is more socialist than it was ever communist, but was always very capitalistic or at least a very capitalistic form of socialism and communism despite the conflict.
Technically, if you want to split hairs, we ARE a democracy, albeit a representative one, hence democratic republic. And yeah, China is more socialist than it was ever communist, but was always very capitalistic or at least a very capitalistic form of socialism and communism despite the conflict.
[quote name='perdition(troy']You just look like an idiot for not understanding his post. But that isn't anything new.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the Daily Show says all sorts of problematic things and on it's face, it looks racist as. Not everyone watches that show here and we're not without overtly racist members on this board. So, maybe you should just calm the down.
Actually, the Daily Show says all sorts of problematic things and on it's face, it looks racist as
. Not everyone watches that show here and we're not without overtly racist members on this board. So, maybe you should just calm the down.I don't see anything racist in that statement.
The statement is saying that many people are racist as they blame black poverty on blacks being lazy etc., yet when talking about white poverty the Tea Party types turn to things like jobs being sent over seas and other structural factors.
It's just saying how absurd it is that people can apply all these external factors that lead to poverty to themselves (or their racial group) while ignoring that minority groups have many more structural factors that have kept them impoverished for generations.
The statement is saying that many people are racist as they blame black poverty on blacks being lazy etc., yet when talking about white poverty the Tea Party types turn to things like jobs being sent over seas and other structural factors.
It's just saying how absurd it is that people can apply all these external factors that lead to poverty to themselves (or their racial group) while ignoring that minority groups have many more structural factors that have kept them impoverished for generations.
[quote name='dmaul1114']I don't see anything racist in that statement.
The statement is saying that many people are racist as they blame black poverty on blacks being lazy etc., yet when talking about white poverty the Tea Party types turn to things like jobs being sent over seas and other structural factors.[/QUOTE]
I was going to edit another post, but here is just as good.
If I wanted to call or thought MSI was a racist piece of shit, I would've said so because I've said that about other people in the past. I have no qualms about calling people racist or shitheads. I just wanted to point out possibly missing the sarcasm.
The statement is saying that many people are racist as they blame black poverty on blacks being lazy etc., yet when talking about white poverty the Tea Party types turn to things like jobs being sent over seas and other structural factors.[/QUOTE]
I was going to edit another post, but here is just as good.
If I wanted to call or thought MSI was a racist piece of shit, I would've said so because I've said that about other people in the past. I have no qualms about calling people racist or shitheads. I just wanted to point out possibly missing the sarcasm.
mykevermin
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It's gettin' all fundamental attribution error up in here.
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Fair enough.
Missing sarcasm is one thing. But doubling down on making yourself to be the victim is just silliness.
Most of the time I agree with what you have to say. This is not one of those times.
Missing sarcasm is one thing. But doubling down on making yourself to be the victim is just silliness.
Most of the time I agree with what you have to say. This is not one of those times.
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Race war
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thats all you're bringing to the battle royale?
[quote name='mykevermin']Fair enough.
Missing sarcasm is one thing. But doubling down on making yourself to be the victim is just silliness.
Most of the time I agree with what you have to say. This is not one of those times.[/QUOTE]
I was saying that to sarcastically point out the ridiculousness of arguing over my comments(and yes, I include myself as being ridiculous as well) to MSI's TDS quote and I don't see how I'm playing the victim, but ok.
Missing sarcasm is one thing. But doubling down on making yourself to be the victim is just silliness.
Most of the time I agree with what you have to say. This is not one of those times.[/QUOTE]
I was saying that to sarcastically point out the ridiculousness of arguing over my comments(and yes, I include myself as being ridiculous as well) to MSI's TDS quote and I don't see how I'm playing the victim, but ok.
[quote name='elessar123']Small distinction? That's like saying it's a boat, but it has wheels and doesn't float. It clearly goes against the definition, yet people like you are always offended because the thought that America is not a democracy and China is not full of communists throws your entire views askew. For your information, China considered themselves socialists, not communists. And we've we're obviously not a democracy, cause we don't all have an equal voice, despite what you want to believe.[/QUOTE]
If I said I considered you a dumbass does that make you a dumbass?
In the case of democracy, it's like you're arguing over which two shades of white is actually white. And as far as China being communist, that isn't just my opinion I'm pulling out m'ass.
If I said I considered you a dumbass does that make you a dumbass?
In the case of democracy, it's like you're arguing over which two shades of white is actually white. And as far as China being communist, that isn't just my opinion I'm pulling out m'ass.
[quote name='camoor']Oligarchies have a long (long) history of corrupting idealistic ventures going back the length of recorded history, and probably further.
Sad to say we are just reliving the mistakes of the past. I credit the founding fathers in that the common man still has a hope of seeing this out, but at the same time I'm not going to hold my breath.[/QUOTE]
No but what I mean camoor is those children never created anything extraordinary like the first proposed flying machine, a drawing of the human body still used by Anatomy textbooks even today. Those are just a few examples.
By being a uber rich sod, 2nd gen. and so on, you deprive your kid of the ability to create something extraordinary because everying thing will be given to them one way or another. People like Buffet, who might have made his children work for things and not given them everything as a kid except educational tools he felt they truly needed, are the exception.
You're also a parasite right now very likely in one way or another, as one of the uber rich in the U.S. as well. If you're actively spending millions of dollars on goods grown and made here to resell to consumers in the U.S. I might feel differently but most of you buy things made in Japan, China, Europe, etc. but most of your watches, clothing automobiles and electronics are bought from there. The former three with intent to not buy U.S. made.
The sad thing is camoor, in that reliving the past thing, we don't have to. The idiots in the uber rich are still operating off the same mentality they have for centuries, which is now bullshit. They think in order for someone else to have more of something it has to be taken from someone else. With Solar, Biomass, Wind, etc. you can be totally self-sustainable and aren't taking energy from anyone then.
They are trying to push this mentality more though, in a perverse way, what with fracking and how it poisons the groundwater, thus making it totally unsuitable for human consumption. We're essentially Agent Oranging our water to get an unnecessary resource out of the soil and poisoning the one vital resource we need more then anything. Howed is that?
Sad to say we are just reliving the mistakes of the past. I credit the founding fathers in that the common man still has a hope of seeing this out, but at the same time I'm not going to hold my breath.[/QUOTE]
No but what I mean camoor is those children never created anything extraordinary like the first proposed flying machine, a drawing of the human body still used by Anatomy textbooks even today. Those are just a few examples.
By being a uber rich sod, 2nd gen. and so on, you deprive your kid of the ability to create something extraordinary because every
ing thing will be given to them one way or another. People like Buffet, who might have made his children work for things and not given them everything as a kid except educational tools he felt they truly needed, are the exception.You're also a parasite right now very likely in one way or another, as one of the uber rich in the U.S. as well. If you're actively spending millions of dollars on goods grown and made here to resell to consumers in the U.S. I might feel differently but most of you buy things made in Japan, China, Europe, etc. but most of your watches, clothing automobiles and electronics are bought from there. The former three with intent to not buy U.S. made.
The sad thing is camoor, in that reliving the past thing, we don't have to. The idiots in the uber rich are still operating off the same mentality they have for centuries, which is now bullshit. They think in order for someone else to have more of something it has to be taken from someone else. With Solar, Biomass, Wind, etc. you can be totally self-sustainable and aren't taking energy from anyone then.
They are trying to push this mentality more though, in a perverse way, what with fracking and how it poisons the groundwater, thus making it totally unsuitable for human consumption. We're essentially Agent Oranging our water to get an unnecessary resource out of the soil and poisoning the one vital resource we need more then anything. How
ed is that?
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[quote name='Sarang01']No but what I mean camoor is those children never created anything extraordinary like the first proposed flying machine, a drawing of the human body still used by Anatomy textbooks even today. Those are just a few examples.
By being a uber rich sod, 2nd gen. and so on, you deprive your kid of the ability to create something extraordinary because everying thing will be given to them one way or another. People like Buffet, who might have made his children work for things and not given them everything as a kid except educational tools he felt they truly needed, are the exception.
You're also a parasite right now very likely in one way or another, as one of the uber rich in the U.S. as well. If you're actively spending millions of dollars on goods grown and made here to resell to consumers in the U.S. I might feel differently but most of you buy things made in Japan, China, Europe, etc. but most of your watches, clothing automobiles and electronics are bought from there. The former three with intent to not buy U.S. made.
The sad thing is camoor, in that reliving the past thing, we don't have to. The idiots in the uber rich are still operating off the same mentality they have for centuries, which is now bullshit. They think in order for someone else to have more of something it has to be taken from someone else. With Solar, Biomass, Wind, etc. you can be totally self-sustainable and aren't taking energy from anyone then.
They are trying to push this mentality more though, in a perverse way, what with fracking and how it poisons the groundwater, thus making it totally unsuitable for human consumption. We're essentially Agent Oranging our water to get an unnecessary resource out of the soil and poisoning the one vital resource we need more then anything. Howed is that?[/QUOTE]
I think the problem is moreso that we have a ton of capital tied up in the hands of a few people who aren't doing with it and who aren't paying their fair share of taxes.
Folks can choose to spend or not spend their money as they see fit, but we shouldn't be labeling these folks with the blanket term "job-creators" - that only applies to a few of them. And when the percentage of taxes the uberrich pay does not even equal the percentage of taxes that the middle class pays then something is seriously wrong (before conservatives get all butthurt I'm taking about percentage of taxes relative to personal worth - weath to mean including all assets)
By being a uber rich sod, 2nd gen. and so on, you deprive your kid of the ability to create something extraordinary because every
ing thing will be given to them one way or another. People like Buffet, who might have made his children work for things and not given them everything as a kid except educational tools he felt they truly needed, are the exception.You're also a parasite right now very likely in one way or another, as one of the uber rich in the U.S. as well. If you're actively spending millions of dollars on goods grown and made here to resell to consumers in the U.S. I might feel differently but most of you buy things made in Japan, China, Europe, etc. but most of your watches, clothing automobiles and electronics are bought from there. The former three with intent to not buy U.S. made.
The sad thing is camoor, in that reliving the past thing, we don't have to. The idiots in the uber rich are still operating off the same mentality they have for centuries, which is now bullshit. They think in order for someone else to have more of something it has to be taken from someone else. With Solar, Biomass, Wind, etc. you can be totally self-sustainable and aren't taking energy from anyone then.
They are trying to push this mentality more though, in a perverse way, what with fracking and how it poisons the groundwater, thus making it totally unsuitable for human consumption. We're essentially Agent Oranging our water to get an unnecessary resource out of the soil and poisoning the one vital resource we need more then anything. How
ed is that?[/QUOTE]I think the problem is moreso that we have a ton of capital tied up in the hands of a few people who aren't doing with it and who aren't paying their fair share of taxes.
Folks can choose to spend or not spend their money as they see fit, but we shouldn't be labeling these folks with the blanket term "job-creators" - that only applies to a few of them. And when the percentage of taxes the uberrich pay does not even equal the percentage of taxes that the middle class pays then something is seriously wrong (before conservatives get all butthurt I'm taking about percentage of taxes relative to personal worth - weath to mean including all assets)
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[quote name='camoor']I think the problem is moreso that we have a ton of capital tied up in the hands of a few people who aren't doing with it and who aren't paying their fair share of taxes.[/QUOTE]
Hey cool, now you can start this group called Occupy Wall Street.
Hey cool, now you can start this group called Occupy Wall Street.
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[quote name='elessar123']Hey cool, now you can start this group called Occupy Wall Street.[/QUOTE]
No, what I described is "anyone who is paying attention"
No, what I described is "anyone who is paying attention"
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[quote name='camoor']No, what I described is "anyone who is paying attention"[/QUOTE]
Yes, but a lot of the OWS gripe is what you're saying...
Yes, but a lot of the OWS gripe is what you're saying...
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[quote name='elessar123']Yes, but a lot of the OWS gripe is what you're saying...[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah I'm a big fan of OWS.
Oh yeah I'm a big fan of OWS.
no clue where to put this but I figure I'd give you all some investment love
OKS
Excellent safety record
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/31/idUS217718+31-May-2011+PRN20110531
High Dividend - perfect for a DRIP portfolio
Regular splits since they seem to like the $40 floor once it hits $80ish
Partnership so you're actually a part of the deal - makes for ugly taxes though
In three years my $500 investment is worth over $1,650 these days
If you have the ability to self direct with your 401(k) and can buy stock there's no reason not to have it in your deal. Failing that it's great in a regular or Roth IRA.
Very little volatility
Happy Hanukkah bitches
OKS
Excellent safety record
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/31/idUS217718+31-May-2011+PRN20110531
High Dividend - perfect for a DRIP portfolio
Regular splits since they seem to like the $40 floor once it hits $80ish
Partnership so you're actually a part of the deal - makes for ugly taxes though
In three years my $500 investment is worth over $1,650 these days
If you have the ability to self direct with your 401(k) and can buy stock there's no reason not to have it in your deal. Failing that it's great in a regular or Roth IRA.
Very little volatility
Happy Hanukkah bitches
bread's done