Was the original idea of the VC better then what we got ???

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I was just searching around for virtual console stuff (like what did Japan get this week) and I came across an article on IGN from January 11, 2006. yes, that was a while ago.

I'm just pointing this out. I never seen this before, so I apologize to anyone who saw this a million bajillion times..

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Personally, I'm sorta upset. Regardless of if this was actually legit at the time, it makes ya wonder--Why weren't we ever allowed to rent? I can understand where problems can arise and for a few points more you can just OWN the game. But personally, I probably would have rented a few games.


Evidently the study highlighted three different pricing structures. The first was a subscription based package that would enable users to rent and play any game they wanted for $14.99 per month. Meanwhile, NES titles were listed for approximately $2.99 and N64 titles for a more expensive $19.99. These numbers are naturally neither finalized nor confirmed by Nintendo itself.
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Though, they didn't mention the third option and I don't know why--but I wonder what happened to "$2.99" NES games and WHY N64 games were originally $20?? That's kind of insane to have THAT much of a gap between games.

They listed some "rumored" games at the time and most of them on the list are out now, OR still rumored. But then, saying "Super Mario Bros 3 is coming to the Wii VC!" isn't news, it's pretty much implied.

S-NES Games
* Battle Clash
* Donkey Kong Country
* Donkey Kong Country 2
* Earthbound
* F-Zero
* Illusion of Gaia
* Killer Instinct
* Kirby's Avalanche
* Kirby Dream Course
* Kirby Super Star
* Kirby 3
* Pilot Wings
* Sim City
* Star Fox
* Stunt Race FX
* Super Mario Kart
* Super Mario RPG
* Super Mario World
* Super Metroid
* Super Play Action Football
* Super Scope 6
* Super Soccer
* Super Tennis
* Tetris Attack
* Tetris 2
* Uniracers
* Vegas Stakes
* Wario's Woods
* Yoshi's Hunting
* Yoshi's Island
* Zelda
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lmao, I LOVED Vegas Stakes! Super Scope 6?!...Niice...Isn't Yoshi's Hunting a Super Scope 6 game?


N64 Games
* 1080
* Blast Corps
* Bomberman 64
* Cruisin' USA
* Goldeneye
* Mario Golf 64
* Mario Party 3
* Mario Tennis 64
* Ogre Battle 64
* Paper Mario
* Pilot Wings 64
* Pokemon Snap
* Sin & Punishment
* Star Fox 64
* Super Mario 64
* Wave Race
* Yoshi's Story
* Zelda
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Again, most of these games ARE out or rumored! I for one, love that Pokemon Snap has been mentioned that early on. I LOVED that game and now I feel really confident that it can be here one of these days. But it boggles my mind that even early on, they would mention "Mario Party 3" and leave out 1 and 2.

You can read the entire article here: http://wii.ign.com/articles/680/680846p1.html

Again, this is nothing new..but I just want to hear some feedback on what the VC WAS, and how you can compare it to today.
 
Please don't let any of those games come out that isn't out already lol .. I'd definitely have to buy Ogre Battle 64, Goldeneye, Pokemon Snap, and Earthbound and be tempted to buy a few others. I like an idea of being able to "rent" a VC title for say 24ish hours to give it a trial run, another thing I wish we could do with the Wii in general would be different skins, perhaps they could even sell them on the WiFi for 300 points, like a Metroid skin for the Wii since its coming out soon, etc.
 
[quote name='Foladar']Please don't let any of those games come out that isn't out already lol .. I'd definitely have to buy Ogre Battle 64, Goldeneye, Pokemon Snap, and Earthbound and be tempted to buy a few others. I like an idea of being able to "rent" a VC title for say 24ish hours to give it a trial run, another thing I wish we could do with the Wii in general would be different skins, perhaps they could even sell them on the WiFi for 300 points, like a Metroid skin for the Wii since its coming out soon, etc.[/QUOTE]


Well a demo & rent should be different. If you can just rent the FULL game of something for 24 hours, I'm sure some people will play the hell out of some games and never buy them. I guess the "Rent" option was for when they initially had the concept of paying $15 a month? I do like that idea..but for $15 a month I better have A LOT of VC games available..and I better constantly keep playing it.

$2.99 NES games make me mad! LOL I would of probably bought quite a few more then I have!
 
Only gripe I have is the prices are a little too high for me and have kept me from trying new games as only old favorites that I know and love are worth the current prices to me.
 
I found it very disappointing, it was one of my most anticipated features but it’s the one I have used the least.
I was excepting them to have there whole library available and to be reasonable priced. (Didn't they say something about being able to play any Nintendo game ever on the Wii?)
Instead they we get a couple of releseses a week for $5-$10 that are usually overpriced crap that I wouldn't play for free
 
I would love the subscription model. I wouldn't blink at a $60 / year pricetag like Live... I might evey be willing to pay $80.
 
if i remember correctly that article was sorta a wishlist and really didnt have anything to do with the real VC.

that said, i dont feel ripped off by the VC thus far, the prices for the games sometimes seem high, but other times price is better. plus, people who want every single game to come out the first week are living in a dream world. assuming the wii has a 5 year life span, we still have over 200 more weeks of release dates. its all about the money and weekley releases gets them more of it.
 
[quote name='Plinko']I'd much rather have $10 N64 games than $3 NES games, but that's just me.[/QUOTE]

I could go the rest of my life without replaying a blurry ass N64 game (or a jaggy ass PS1 game for that matter). That generation didn't hold up well for me at all.
 
I'd never use a renting feature, so no, I'd say that this early screen shot isn't better.

Now replace "rent" with "demo" and I have an even greater longing for that feature to be on the VC.
 
[quote name='daroga']
Now replace "rent" with "demo" and I have an even greater longing for that feature to be on the VC.[/QUOTE]

Totally. At current prices I'm not very willing to try new games. Demos would undoubtedly get some more $$$ out of me as I'd try out stuff and no doubt end up buying more games.
 
I don't understand - we got exactly what they said we'd get.

Don't confuse your bloated perceptions and wishes with what was "promised," because otherwise you're not making any kind of argument at all. Instead you're just basically saying that you aren't happy with what we got because you assumed a thousand and one things, 999 of which were totally implausible.
 
I don't understand what's so wrong about the VC. It's not perfect but is $5 really too much to play Ninja Gaiden or Super Mario Bros. again? It's mostly about convenience. I guess a rental or monthly fee option would be ok but at $5 $8 and $10 is it really needed? I guess I cheated because I got 4 Wii points cards last Christmas from various people. I guess I'm jaded because I've yet to pay a dime for any VC game. I really don't understand the complaints though. No one is forcing you to buy anything.
 
[quote name='daminion']I would love the subscription model. I wouldn't blink at a $60 / year pricetag like Live... I might evey be willing to pay $80.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if they offered something like that .. I could see myself buying it easily. As it is now, I'm only interested in the games I know I'll play and enjoy, I'm not too interested in giving other games I'd never seen before a shot.
 
[quote name='jkam'] No one is forcing you to buy anything.[/QUOTE]

Of course not. I just buy less as they cost more than I'd like to pay, especially since I have no moral qualms with just emulating them for free.

$5 for NES games isn't too terribly bad, but honestly there aren't many NES games I'd play today. Like the N64/PS1 games for the 1st gen 3D games, these 1st gen (post atari, intelevision etc.) games just don't hold up well for me.

That leaves SNES/Genesis games for the most part, and those are a bit much at $8 for me. At least for me to take a chance on games I've never played. I don't mind so much for a Super Metroid or something I know that I love, as I'll shell out the $8 for the convenience. But I'm not willing to piss away $8 on something like Toe Jam & Earl which I never played (and would check out if it was cheaper or they had demos).
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I could go the rest of my life without replaying a blurry ass N64 game (or a jaggy ass PS1 game for that matter). That generation didn't hold up well for me at all.[/quote]

I actually agree with you--I think that generation is so fondly remembered because of nostalgia purposes. That's the reason I look forward to Donkey Kong 64 on the VC--good memories of the time. I'm pretty sure the game will feel like garbage now, but I have good memories of it.

I bought Mario Kart 64 for VC and can't stop playing it for the same reason.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi'] (Didn't they say something about being able to play any Nintendo game ever on the Wii?)
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Yes, NINTENDO game..not just ANY game that appeared on a Nintendo console :)

And we will, but it'll take sometime to get there of course.
I do like how we DO get weekly, erm.Wiikly releases. It does keep things interesting and keeps certain games (i.e. Super Mario RPG, Kirby Superstar, etc) even more anticipated.

I would agree, at first they DID make it seem like..when you plugged your Wii in you would have access to ALL of these games..rather then just having some then getting wiikly releases.

Personally, I would of probably done a subscription. Maybe. I do like buying per game..and I'm not even complaining about the prices. Overall, besides the "Rent" feature I have nothing to really complain about---I'm happy with NOT getting $20 N64 games! :lol:
 
The original idea of the Wii was better than what we ended up getting. The VC is the only thing I really use my Wii for, and like a poster above mentioned the prices are too high, it keeps me from buying new games that I've never played before. If NES games were $1-2, I would have spent a lot more money in the long run than I do now buying only the games I know to be classics. That goes for all systems on the VC, if the prices were lower I would have had a lot more impulse buys, and curiousity buys.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']The original idea of the Wii was better than what we ended up getting. The VC is the only thing I really use my Wii for, and like a poster above mentioned the prices are too high, it keeps me from buying new games that I've never played before. If NES games were $1-2, I would have spent a lot more money in the long run than I do now buying only the games I know to be classics. That goes for all systems on the VC, if the prices were lower I would have had a lot more impulse buys, and curiousity buys.[/QUOTE]


Agreed. I'm not disappointed with prices, however, the games that I never played..well, it's hard to pay $5-$10 and not like it..This, is where demos come in handy. Maybe one day.
 
[quote name='daminion']I would love the subscription model. I wouldn't blink at a $60 / year pricetag like Live... I might evey be willing to pay $80.[/quote]

jeez... really? I have no interest in the VC until original (or even enhanced/remade) games start coming out.
 
$10 for paper mario is hard to argue against.

My thoughts though, VC was being delivered as a reason to get rid of all your old systems and games...basically the only system you would need for all your Nintendo console gaming from NES-Wii(since you can use cube games on it too).

That would be awesome too, but the pricing is just too high to warrant a purchase of all those games. 3.00 nes 5.00 snes and 10.00 n64 would have been better for me.

A demo mode would be nice, dont really care for the rent thing.

Basically though, when you see games like Sonic, Ecco, Streets of Rage II(soon) TMNT and future examples of VC + XBLA games, you realize why VC just isnt doing it. You pay less and get more features for XBLA games.

So lower the price or add some sort of functionality to the games to justify the price.

However that wont happen, so ill be using it for the good deals and passing on a ton of other games which i would have bought otherwise.
 
Only thing that kinda disappoints me is how Sega Genesis games are more expensive than Japanese Mega Drive games. Why the hell is Sega asking more out of the US than Japan?

Other than that, I'm fairly okay with everything else. The games I want are certainly cheaper on VC than buying them on eBay.
 
[quote name='Tsukento']Only thing that kinda disappoints me is how Sega Genesis games are more expensive than Japanese Mega Drive games. Why the hell is Sega asking more out of the US than Japan?

Other than that, I'm fairly okay with everything else. The games I want are certainly cheaper on VC than buying them on eBay.[/quote]

I'm disappointed with the Genesis pricing as well. I was unaware of the Mega Drive pricing but look at the 360...I don't know the plans for sega's releases on xbla but right now they are coming out at $5 bucks a pop. Much easier to swallow than $8, plus you get achievements.


[quote name='javeryh']jeez... really? I have no interest in the VC until original (or even enhanced/remade) games start coming out.[/quote]


I am interested in the original content as well. It seems as though they have anounced a price ceiling....$8. Check out this The Wiire blog (I don't know how credible it is.)
http://www.thewiire.com/news/904/1/Nikkei_WiiWare_Titles_to_Sell_Under_10
 
[quote name='m3talst0rm']I'm disappointed with the Genesis pricing as well. I was unaware of the Mega Drive pricing but look at the 360...I don't know the plans for sega's releases on xbla but right now they are coming out at $5 bucks a pop. Much easier to swallow than $8, plus you get achievements.[/quote]

Play Sonic the Hedgehog on the VC, and then, play it on XBLA. You'll see why the $3 difference is worth getting it on the Wii. (Of course, I won't be buying it on either, as that has been on so many compilations, but still.)

I don't buy that many games, but that's because I still have my older systems. Their pricing structure is fine. Hell, people paid $20 and such for GBA versions of some of those titles! :lol:

The only thing I would really enjoy is a "Demo" mode of each game up there, mainly for those obscure TG-16 games I have never played. Of course, I could always play a ROM of the game first, but that's just extra work I usually don't do.
 
[quote name='Rig']Play Sonic the Hedgehog on the VC, and then, play it on XBLA. You'll see why the $3 difference is worth getting it on the Wii. (Of course, I won't be buying it on either, as that has been on so many compilations, but still.)
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There's an exception to every rule....

The VC is fine, but it's hard to argue that XBLA has cooler features, with stuff like Street Fighter 2 with online play etc.
 
[quote name='Rig']Play Sonic the Hedgehog on the VC, and then, play it on XBLA. You'll see why the $3 difference is worth getting it on the Wii. (Of course, I won't be buying it on either, as that has been on so many compilations, but still.)

I don't buy that many games, but that's because I still have my older systems. Their pricing structure is fine. Hell, people paid $20 and such for GBA versions of some of those titles! :lol:

The only thing I would really enjoy is a "Demo" mode of each game up there, mainly for those obscure TG-16 games I have never played. Of course, I could always play a ROM of the game first, but that's just extra work I usually don't do.[/quote]


Exactly!!!....I would play Sonic on the VC....if it had a DEMO. I'm not going to pay $5 or $8 for it. I already have it on multiple systems. And honestly, the people who paid $20 for it on the GBA probably are those buying Suite Life of Zach and Cody for their nieces and Strawberry Shortcake Ds for their daughters....oh wait!:oops:
 
I like the current interface but I wish Nintendo would speed things up... it's sooo damn slow to use the VC.

I also wish we didn't have to have each game get it's own channel. I wish they had channels for each console and from there you selected the game.
 
I wish Virtual Console games were $2 NES/$4 SNES/$6 N64. I would buy way more VC games then I do now, and you could never have too few points in your account to buy a game.
 
[quote name='Vinny']I like the current interface but I wish Nintendo would speed things up... it's sooo damn slow to use the VC.

I also wish we didn't have to have each game get it's own channel. I wish they had channels for each console and from there you selected the game.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I can agree on each system having its own channel where you select the game, albeit I don't have too many as it is .. it'd be great that way though. I definitely wouldn't disagree on the pricing that someone suggested: $3 / 5 / 8 (or even 10 for N64) .. I'd definitely pay 5 for SNES and even Sega games, and probably buy much more that way, 8 for Sega games is a bit much.
 
[quote name='Rig']Play Sonic the Hedgehog on the VC, and then, play it on XBLA. You'll see why the $3 difference is worth getting it on the Wii. (Of course, I won't be buying it on either, as that has been on so many compilations, but still.)[/quote]
Stage Select and Debug Mode aren't worth three extra dollars. Especially since the XBLA version at least gives you points for actually achieving goals based on skill and people can compete for higher scores.
 
The rent thing is retarted. It'd just be like those monstrosities at the hotels where you pay 10 bucks for an HOUR of a game. Yah, try enjoying OoT for an hour...

I'm personally happy to be getting ANYTHING at all. I've only spent 20 bucks so far, but I still go back and play my games quite a bit. And let's not forget the awesome music in the background!
 
[quote name='lilboo']lmao, I LOVED Vegas Stakes! Super Scope 6?!...Niice...Isn't Yoshi's Hunting a Super Scope 6 game?
http://wii.ign.com/articles/680/680846p1.html
Again, this is nothing new..but I just want to hear some feedback on what the VC WAS, and how you can compare it to today.[/quote]

Well, I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who loved Vegas Stakes... I played that all the time as a kid, I loved how strangers would come up to you and you'd either get rewarded or burned for helping them out :lol:

At this point, I think I'm mainly a bit disappointed in the pricing. I had been disappointed in what was available, but that has improved a LOT recenlty. I don't mind $5 NES games or $10 N64 games ( just cause there aren't that many I want!), but $8 for genesis and SNES is too much for me. Most of these are games I haven't played, and while I can take a chance for $5, blindly shelling out $8 hurts a bit. I would have bought a lot more if SNES and Genesis games were $5 or $6. Heck, I probably would have bought about every NES game on there if they'd been $3 :lol:
 
I think we can all agree if Nintendo offered a demo option, we'd probably be tossing more money Nintendo's way...except not blindly towards games that could potentially suck. :p
 
[quote name='Tsukento']I think we can all agree if Nintendo offered a demo option, we'd probably be tossing more money Nintendo's way...except not blindly towards games that could potentially suck. :p[/QUOTE]


But then, maybe not?
They figure we will buy games based off of nostalgia, interest, or word of mouth. There's a few TG16 games that I bought from word of mouth and I'm sorta regretting them...I bought ToeJam & Earl and again out of nostalgia and I'm disappointed.

Pretty much, they realize that there's a lot of crap games on this thing..and if we tried them, we probably WOULDN'T buy that many ;)

It sucks, because I wish I did have an option.
I'm perfectly fine with the pricing, but I want to try some games to see if I like them or remember liking them.
 
Nintendo chose a fixed console price point for each game rather than placing games on a "quality tier" or a "classic tier". It's just the easiest way to do business, and it places high quality (but lesser-known) games on an even playing field with games like Metroid and Zelda. That way you don't have price point affecting which games are purchased and which get pushed aside ("This game's cheaper so it must be bad" "This game pricer so it must be better")... it just makes better business sense.

Invevitably, some games are a fantastic bargain (almost all N64) and others are ludicrously expensive ("China Warrior"? Who let THAT winner through the gate? In what universe does it cost more than "Metroid"?)

Rentals would be a bad idea. Someone, somewhere will find a way to hack games into "permanent" status. That can of worms is better left sealed. (It would just be a matter of time.) Not only that, but it makes sense from a fiscal standpoint: there's NO way someone would ever rent "Urban Champion" and then drop the rest of the cash for a full purchase. No offense to you hardcore Urban Champion aficionados out there.

If you ever start thinking NES VC games are a bad deal, think back just a couple years to when Nintendo was expecting you to drop $20 on an unaltered, unadorned verison of a single NES title (NES Classics Series)... certainly the biggest ripoff ever to come out of the "retrogame" market. Those were bad deal even when they started dropping to $10.
 
[quote name='bluesyncopate']


Rentals would be a bad idea. Someone, somewhere will find a way to hack games into "permanent" status. That can of worms is better left sealed. (It would just be a matter of time.) [/quote]

I really doubt that would happen. First of any one that really wants the games for free can just go get them as roms. Even if somebody bothers to hack it doubt many people would bother to use it, There was that x-box hack that let you play x-box games for free(save them to the hardrive) and that was never a bib problem. And even if for some reason it was a problem I'm sure big N could fix it with a patch(just like they did with freeloader).
 
Why hold the VC to a purely hypothetical standard? It's unfair.

I think the VC was exactly what we expected. The only thing that surprised me--and still does--is the pricing structure. I think they looked too much at XBL Arcade pricing instead of casting their own die. I'm convinced they would move many more games if they lowered the pricing a bit.

But as has been said a million times over in VC-related threads, VC is nowhere near being a priority for Nintendo. It's not even an afterthought. It's a tiny little cash cow in a herd of much bigger cash cows. It's not worth Nintendo's time to do the work/research necessary to optimizing the VC price structure. What they have now works well enough, it costs them effectively nothing to maintain, so why would they bother changing anything?
 
[quote name='dothog']
I think the VC was exactly what we expected. The only thing that surprised me--and still does--is the pricing structure. I think they looked too much at XBL Arcade pricing instead of casting their own die. I'm convinced they would move many more games if they lowered the pricing a bit.
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Agreed. Like I said, the only thing that bugs me is the pricing. It's just a bit above what I'm willing to pay for the convenience of playing on my TV rather than emulating for free on my PC.

I wouldn't do a monthly rental fee as I don't have enough interest in retro gaming to use that enough. Just like to play one occasionally when there's a drought of new games.

Only other minor nit pick is that I like the suggestion above of having a channel for each console rather than one for each game to unclutter the dashboard.
 
It's really hard to deny that the pricing for VC games is a bit too expensive. It appears that the only company getting this right is Microsoft. They have a trial available for every game on XBLA and there is a ton of selection. The prices aren't bad for the quality of games. It's difficult to find value while paying $10 for an old non-enhanced N64 game when you can get an original game in full HD on XBLA for the same price. Sure, there's OoT, but you could get that for free on the wind waker promotional disc. $10 for 64 games is WAY too expensive IMO.
 
[quote name='jkam']I don't understand what's so wrong about the VC. It's not perfect but is $5 really too much to play Ninja Gaiden or Super Mario Bros. again? It's mostly about convenience. I guess a rental or monthly fee option would be ok but at $5 $8 and $10 is it really needed? I guess I cheated because I got 4 Wii points cards last Christmas from various people. I guess I'm jaded because I've yet to pay a dime for any VC game. I really don't understand the complaints though. No one is forcing you to buy anything.[/quote]

The prices really need to be go on a game by game basis. Is 5 dollars too much to play Ninja Gaiden again? Probably not, but Super Mario Brothers cost 25 cents at Funcoland 10 years ago, there's no good reason why it should be 5 dollars today.
 
[quote name='spmahn']The prices really need to be go on a game by game basis. Is 5 dollars too much to play Ninja Gaiden again? Probably not, but Super Mario Brothers cost 25 cents at Funcoland 10 years ago, there's no good reason why it should be 5 dollars today.[/QUOTE]

Retro nostalgia. Every company (eg Hot Topic) overcharges for retro stuff that should be A LOT cheaper.

"I remember Pac-man! I'll take a $30 shot glass set please!"
 
[quote name='spmahn']The prices really need to be go on a game by game basis. Is 5 dollars too much to play Ninja Gaiden again? Probably not, but Super Mario Brothers cost 25 cents at Funcoland 10 years ago, there's no good reason why it should be 5 dollars today.[/QUOTE]

That Super Mario Bros. game wasn't in 480p and it required having a NES hooked up at the same time. I'll pay $5 for that.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']if i remember correctly that article was sorta a wishlist and really didnt have anything to do with the real VC.[/quote]

Yeah it is just a mock up IGN made.

But I think the whole thing is badly done. Nintendo said that there would be a lot more games per week than what we are getting.

I used to think the prices were high, and for some like NES Baseball and Pinball they are, but look at Microsoft's system! There are games for $10 that look like shity SNES game for $10! I think instead of just pricing the games by system they should price them by what they are too. Pinball and Baseball should be free, just people used to the system. The NES games should be $3-$5, SNES $5-$7.50 and N64 games $7.50 to $10. Nintendo doesn't seem to realize a little cheaper on some of the agmes and they will make even more money.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']
The NES games should be $3-$5, SNES $5-$7.50 and N64 games $7.50 to $10. Nintendo doesn't seem to realize a little cheaper on some of the agmes and they will make even more money.[/QUOTE]


Well, maybe. Let's assume they sell 1 million games of each system by your low price. That's $3 million in nes sales, $5 million in snes and $7.5 million in 64. But under their current structure to reach those sales figures they only have to sell 600k nes games, 625k snes and 750k n64 games. So thats a pretty big difference, anywhere from 25-40%. The thing you have to remember is the number of Wii owners online and shopping the Wii shop channel is (I think) a lot lower than many people assume. 10 million Wii's sold, theres probably less than a quarter of those online and even less than those actually making purchases online. If every single Wii was online and shopping, they could afford to lower the prices, but as it is they will make more quicker with the current price structure. Granted, there's likely not many people hopping on a 5 dollar Pinball or Soccer purchase. But 8 bucks for LTTP and Super Metroid, 10 bucks for Mario 64, Mario Kart and Ocarina of Time. That's a pretty good deal and I think that most gamers are buying those games, not pinball.
 
[quote name='munch']That Super Mario Bros. game wasn't in 480p and it required having a NES hooked up at the same time. I'll pay $5 for that.[/quote]
It's also a great game.
 
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