Well played Nintendo... well played...

[quote name='"epobirs"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"epobirs"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='alongx'][quote name='WarrenGekko']I don't know many Males 18-25 that have money to throw around on stuff that they don't need.[/quote]


Magazine subscriptions, especially ones that ccan be had for free if you examine the appropriate thread, are not a measure of console purchases. I used to subscribe to Cycle World but I couldn't afford to buy most of the machines they examined in loving detail.[/quote]

Sony is not just targeting 18-25 specifically. It is a much greater market.
 
[quote name='WarrenGekko']

You can't always use history to predict the future. Fact was between Nintendo 64, Nintendo has beaten all rivals. Even Sega. But, that didn't stop Sony from releasing a console and they clearly have the better console now.[/quote]

Sony does not have the best console, they have the best business model (not inclusive of online, where Microsoft has the better setup). The console itself is a finicky, error-prone piece of garbage, but Sony marketed it well, fostered good third party relations, and brought along their first party stuff to a respectable level of quality. PS2 is successful not for its hardware but for the glut of available games and their marketing.

Both Nintendo, and to a lesser extent (due to those Thompsons and their DDE's) Microsoft, has a better console then Sony.
 
[quote name='j.elles']I enjoyed the dreamcast games I owned more then most of the PS2 ones and thought they were better.[/quote]

Now this, i agree with. :D
 
[quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"epobirs"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"epobirs"'][quote name='WarrenGekko'][quote name='alongx'][quote name='WarrenGekko']I don't know many Males 18-25 that have money to throw around on stuff that they don't need.[/quote]


Magazine subscriptions, especially ones that ccan be had for free if you examine the appropriate thread, are not a measure of console purchases. I used to subscribe to Cycle World but I couldn't afford to buy most of the machines they examined in loving detail.[/quote]

Sony is not just targeting 18-25 specifically. It is a much greater market.[/quote]

Taken to the logical extreme they're targeting every sentient being in the universe. In real life, though, there is a much smaller subset of humanity that lends itself to specific PR efforts. This includes factoring in the age at which men are most likely to become parents in this generation. As you may have realized by now from personal experience, kids cause major changes to your spending habits, even if you're relatively well to do.
 
[quote name='WildWop'][quote name='WarrenGekko']

You can't always use history to predict the future. Fact was between Nintendo 64, Nintendo has beaten all rivals. Even Sega. But, that didn't stop Sony from releasing a console and they clearly have the better console now.[/quote]

Sony marketed it well, fostered good third party relations, and brought along their first party stuff to a respectable level of quality. PS2 is successful not for its hardware but for the glut of available games and their marketing.
[/quote]

That makes it a better console. I buy the console to play games. They got the games. Also, since there is such a glut, their games are cheaper quicker. So, not only does the PS2 have more games, the games are to own.

Now that you say that not only did Sony pass Nintendo when the PS1 came out but Xbox also passed Nintendo when the Xbox came out. So, it is entirely possible that the PSP could replace Nintendo as the top portable going forward.
 
[quote name='WarrenGekko'][quote name='epobirs'][quote name='alongx'][quote name='WarrenGekko']I think that Nintendo is going after a different target market than Sony.

Remember the iPod is more expensive than the SP but those sales have been brisk. I think that Sony will price their handheld the same price as an iPod.[/quote]

Nintendo said, if I'm not mistaken, that many of their DS games are going to be aimed at an older demographic, which most likely means the same 18-25 year old range that Sony's vying for. Even if you look at current GBA SP ads, Nintendo seems to want to push it as a cool thing to have, which is the same kind of idea that Sony will be pushing when the PSP launches.

Secondly, I think it's hard to compare the sales of iPods to GBA SPs. Yeah, an iPod is more expensive than the SP, but it also has a completely different function. And, yes, it's slightly more expensive than other MP3 jukeboxes out there, but it's in the same general price range.

The PSP is different, though. If you want a portable game machine, there'll be two other options for you. If the PSP is $300, as many think it will be, you can get your portable gaming fix for half of that price by getting a DS, or for a quarter of the price with the SP. If you want a portable movie player, there are portable DVD players that now go for as little as $150-200. And if you want an MP3 player, you could get a much better one for the same price.[/quote]

A huge difference is that the iPOD doesn't demand your complete attention to fulfill its purpose. Some iPOD users I jnow have it running all day. It has a dock in their car, then moves to the dock at the office computer, rides back in the car and docks at the home computer. You cannot hold a job while getting that much use from a game system. Thus the iPOD qualifies its price point. People can go for days hearing only songs they like without a repeat and witout having to pay much attention to the device after they start it up. That's very difficult to match on any less expensive audio player other than competing mini-hard drive units.

The portables are competing with not only with full size TV-connected consoles but life itself for those players who use only when they're commuting or otherwise cooling their heels. I think that makes it more difficult to qualify buying portable game systems at the same prices people happily pay for consoles.[/quote]

Unless people don't see a difference between the handhelds and a console. Similar to laptops and desktops (actually laptops are more expensive)[/quote]


Yes but what you are missing is that at least with the DS The games are going to be exclusive. You cant play a dual screen game on a home console. However if you computer is fast enough you can play Doom 3 on botht he laptop or desktop. They are in itself a replicated portable machine. The games offered on the handhelds are going to be some of the same but mostly alternate games that you cant get somewhere else.
 
[quote name='WildWop'][quote name='WarrenGekko']

You can't always use history to predict the future. Fact was between Nintendo 64, Nintendo has beaten all rivals. Even Sega. But, that didn't stop Sony from releasing a console and they clearly have the better console now.[/quote]

Sony does not have the best console, they have the best business model (not inclusive of online, where Microsoft has the better setup). The console itself is a finicky, error-prone piece of garbage, but Sony marketed it well, fostered good third party relations, and brought along their first party stuff to a respectable level of quality. PS2 is successful not for its hardware but for the glut of available games and their marketing.

Both Nintendo, and to a lesser extent (due to those Thompsons and their DDE's) Microsoft, has a better console then Sony.[/quote]

Thank GOD I am not the only one who believes this. PS2 is junk lets not go into it here. Just do a quick search on the lawsuits etc.
 
[quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"epobirs"'][quote name='"alongx"'][quote name='WarrenGekko']I think that Nintendo is going after a different target market than Sony.

Remember the iPod is more expensive than the SP but those sales have

Yes but what you are missing is that at least with the DS The games are going to be exclusive. You cant play a dual screen game on a home console. However if you computer is fast enough you can play Doom 3 on botht he laptop or desktop. They are in itself a replicated portable machine. The games offered on the handhelds are going to be some of the same but mostly alternate games that you cant get somewhere else.[/quote]

I am thinking more long term. Like when the laptop first came out. Soon you will be playing Doom 3 on a handheld. Plus I don't really see the use of a dual screen. You can just have picture in picture like you do at home which can be replicated. I don't think that the dual screen thing will that big of a deal.
 
[quote name='WarrenGekko'][quote name='WildWop'][quote name='WarrenGekko']

You can't always use history to predict the future. Fact was between Nintendo 64, Nintendo has beaten all rivals. Even Sega. But, that didn't stop Sony from releasing a console and they clearly have the better console now.[/quote]

Sony marketed it well, fostered good third party relations, and brought along their first party stuff to a respectable level of quality. PS2 is successful not for its hardware but for the glut of available games and their marketing.
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That makes it a better console. I buy the console to play games. They got the games. Also, since there is such a glut, their games are cheaper quicker. So, not only does the PS2 have more games, the games are to own.

Now that you say that not only did Sony pass Nintendo when the PS1 came out but Xbox also passed Nintendo when the Xbox came out. So, it is entirely possible that the PSP could replace Nintendo as the top portable going forward.[/quote]

"They got the games" ? This is totally an opinion of yours. Do you own all the games? No ? Hmmm then they are not the only ones who have the games.

"there games are cheaper quicker"

Let me just use a quote I love so much:
The Sweetness of Low Price never equals the Bitterness of low quality.

As far as Nintendo being nocked off on Portable gaming.... Lets not forget a couple of things...
A) Gameboy is the best selling system of all time.

B) There have been more competitors in the handheld market and NONE of them have sustained. The only one around to a large extent is Nintendo

C) Sony just had a conference and guess what NO PSP info for us... That leads me to believe they cant live up to their hype. Just like the PS2 came out and it was "poewrful enough to control missles" what crap. A few of the PS2 planned features were dropped. The PSP will go the same route.

D) Nintendo is out on NOV 21st They have more developers on board and they are going to have this holiday season to sell new and crossover sales. They will hold the lead.

E) Nintendo is under different management now than when Gamecube launched. They are taking a different direction. A positive direction as can be clearly seen over the past year. This direction will continue.
 
[quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"epobirs"'][quote name='alongx'][quote name='WarrenGekko']I think that Nintendo is going after a different target market than Sony.

Remember the iPod is more expensive than the SP but those sales have

Yes but what you are missing is that at least with the DS The games are going to be exclusive. You cant play a dual screen game on a home console. However if you computer is fast enough you can play Doom 3 on botht he laptop or desktop. They are in itself a replicated portable machine. The games offered on the handhelds are going to be some of the same but mostly alternate games that you cant get somewhere else.[/quote]

I am thinking more long term. Like when the laptop first came out. Soon you will be playing Doom 3 on a handheld. Plus I don't really see the use of a dual screen. You can just have picture in picture like you do at home which can be replicated. I don't think that the dual screen thing will that big of a deal.[/quote]

/.\ Let me ask you. What do you do for a living? You opinion is far outweighed on the subject....:

When Nintendo came down and presented the DS platform to us, … I think everyone was in shock. It was amazing. … Our technical and central technology guys were kind of drooling at the abilities and wanting so much to program and dive into programming for the system. … Nintendo DS, I believe, is a revolution in change for hand-held gaming.”
– Will Kassoy, vice president, global brand management, Activision



“I believe that Square Enix has a promising chance in the platform, since Nintendo DS allows users to experience whole new game play with both its input system and its output system.”
– Yoichi Wada, president and representative director, Square Enix



“The Nintendo dual screen is something that we’re really excited about developing for. It’s very innovative, which is classic Nintendo.”
– Nick Earl, vice president and general manager, Electronic Arts



“The fact that touch panels can be associated with many terms about touching that we never had, such as touch, push, feel, rub, slide and pat is wonderful. … I have been working in this industry for 20 years. During that time I made many games. But I think this is the first time that we have a new input device.”
– Yuji Naka, senior corporate officer, development division, Sega



“Once again Nintendo is taking another leap in the gaming experience for the gamer by providing totally new game-play experiences, developing new gaming habits. Very characteristic of a Nintendo maneuver.”
– Jay Cohen, vice president, publishing, Ubisoft



Nintendo DS is “a new game machine that will build the future of the game industry. … Our frontier spirit has been awoken.”
– Tsunekazu Ishihara, chairman and CEO, Pokémon



“This has a huge potential. … It is very nice that we can create games using DS that were not even possible before.”
– Yoichi Haraguchi, vice president and executive officer, Namco



“Nintendo has a reputation for doing extraordinary things in the hand-held space. The DS is an extraordinary device, and we are going to do everything in our power to support it.”
– Michael Pole, executive vice president, worldwide studios, Vivendi Universal Games



“Nintendo DS is going to push the hand-held technology to really uncharted territories. By that I mean that it’s going to bring amazing new game mechanics, new game design.”
– Yves Blehaut, senior vice president, Atari



“I think the DS will stimulate the process of game development.”
– Tomofumi Gotsubo, president and CEO, Konami of America



“DS is deceptively amazing. … Touch screen is a very blank canvas for a game designer to be able to design their own input features. … DS really could be a killer to PSP. … I really think the Nintendo DS could kick the crap out of Sony PSP.”
– Kevin Ray, chief technology officer, Majesco



“The wireless capability potentially allows game players to connect wirelessly literally around the world.”
– Brian Farrell, president and CEO, THQ



“I am sure people have nice memory of yelling at a controller. Now, we have a more established function of inputting our voice. … Nintendo always pleasantly surprises us with interesting projects and interesting ideas.”
– Keiji Inafune, producer, Capcom
 
[quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"WildWop"'][quote name='WarrenGekko']


"They got the games" ? This is totally an opinion of yours. Do you own all the games? No ? Hmmm then they are not the only ones who have the games.

"there games are cheaper quicker"

Let me just use a quote I love so much:
The Sweetness of Low Price never equals the Bitterness of low quality.

.[/quote]


I don't all the games but I do own all the consoles and a lot of games (thanks to this website). But, owning games doesn't mean anything. The games I want are on the PS2 and I can get them cheaper than the other consoles.

And if you aren't here for games cheap, you are in the wrong place. Quote or no quote
 
[quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"epobirs"'][quote name='"alongx"'][quote name='WarrenGekko']I
/.\ Let me ask you. What do you do for a living? You opinion is far outweighed on the subject....:

[/quote]

What opinion is it that is being outweighed? I not saying that the Nintendo handheld sucks. I will own one. From what I can tell from all those quotes is an opinion that matches mine. All I'm saying is I also am intrigued about the PSP and will probably own that too. Just like people own more than one console. I have an open mind
 
[quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='WildWop'][quote name='WarrenGekko']


"They got the games" ? This is totally an opinion of yours. Do you own all the games? No ? Hmmm then they are not the only ones who have the games.

"there games are cheaper quicker"

Let me just use a quote I love so much:
The Sweetness of Low Price never equals the Bitterness of low quality.

.[/quote]


I don't all the games but I do own all the consoles and a lot of games (thanks to this website). But, owning games doesn't mean anything. The games I want are on the PS2 and I can get them cheaper than the other consoles.

And if you aren't here for games cheap, you are in the wrong place. Quote or no quote[/quote]

That quote was in direct response to this:
"Also, since there is such a glut, their games are cheaper quicker."

PS2 has more games but they are not all the quality made out by your post. UNLESS you mean more sales due to a larger user base therefore reducing the price quicker. Then yes you have a point.

As far as me being here for cheap games yes I am but everyone that goes on sale I sure as hell dont go buy. Some/most of them are junk.
 
[quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"epobirs"'][quote name='alongx'][quote name='WarrenGekko']I
/.\ Let me ask you. What do you do for a living? You opinion is far outweighed on the subject....:

[/quote]

What opinion is it that is being outweighed? I not saying that the Nintendo handheld sucks. I will own one. From what I can tell from all those quotes is an opinion that matches mine. All I'm saying is I also am intrigued about the PSP and will probably own that too. Just like people own more than one console. I have an open mind[/quote]

This is getting out of hand honestly. It was basically in response to your opinion and you are entitled to it.

The dual screen is more than just dual screen it has touch capabilites. The handlhelds can be played WiFi (unless the next gen consoles can be too?) those are two exlusives to Nintendo and the PSP handhelds (WiFi)

Anyway on with the real subject...
 
[quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"epobirs"'][quote name='alongx'][quote name='WarrenGekko']I
/.\ Let me ask you. What do you do for a living? You opinion is far outweighed on the subject....:

[/quote]

What opinion is it that is being outweighed? I not saying that the Nintendo handheld sucks. I will own one. From what I can tell from all those quotes is an opinion that matches mine. All I'm saying is I also am intrigued about the PSP and will probably own that too. Just like people own more than one console. I have an open mind[/quote]

Uh.. no.

Those comments by developers/etc say exactly what you didn't. You said the two screens wouldn't be such a big deal/etc. They are raving. I'd say that's a difference in opinion.
 
[quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='"WarrenGekko"'][quote name='"Snake2715"'][quote name='WarrenGekko'][quote name='WildWop'][quote name='WarrenGekko']


"They got the games" ? This is totally an opinion of yours. Do you own all the games? No ? Hmmm then they are not the only ones who have the games.

"there games are cheaper quicker"

Let me just use a quote I love so much:
The Sweetness of Low Price never equals the Bitterness of low quality.

.[/quote]


I don't all the games but I do own all the consoles and a lot of games (thanks to this website). But, owning games doesn't mean anything. The games I want are on the PS2 and I can get them cheaper than the other consoles.

And if you aren't here for games cheap, you are in the wrong place. Quote or no quote[/quote]

That quote was in direct response to this:
"Also, since there is such a glut, their games are cheaper quicker."

PS2 has more games but they are not all the quality made out by your post. UNLESS you mean more sales due to a larger user base therefore reducing the price quicker. Then yes you have a point.

As far as me being here for cheap games yes I am but everyone that goes on sale I sure as hell dont go buy. Some/most of them are junk.[/quote]

Definitely, there are are lot of crappy games out ther on the PS2 that are cheap because of the volumne. AND most are JUNK. Like you, I don't buy those crappy games even if they are under $5. But, I have noticed that quality games have dropped in price faster than used to be the case when I was buying games for the Super NES back in the day. Which, I think is exciting. You couldn't even have a website like this during the Super NES days because there never were any sales.
So, thats all I was what I was trying to say. I'm not into comparing the systems and saying one is better than the other. I don't care since I have all three. I just love that Splinter Cell PT will be on sale one day soon and I don't have to bite the bullet and buy it now.

So, I am in full support of Sony for coming out with a handheld. I want this website to be full of deals for these systems.
 
I'm skipping my first few hours of school to go to wherever and pick up a DS. That's all there is to it. Already got $75 bucks saved, and 4 more paychecks before then, so I'm flying high.

EDIT: Scratch skipping schoo. It comes out on a Sunday! w00t!!!
 
This is getting out of hand honestly. It was basically in response to your opinion and you are entitled to it.

The dual screen is more than just dual screen it has touch capabilites. The handlhelds can be played WiFi (unless the next gen consoles can be too?) those are two exlusives to Nintendo and the PSP handhelds (WiFi)

Anyway on with the real subject...[/quote]

Your are right. I am not trying to get into an argument over what handheld is better because I don't know. Plus, I really don't favor either side. I will probably end up with both of them. However, if both of them flop, then I won't get either.
 
In all honesty a good portion of us here probably own all the systems. I don't know who will have a better handheld in the end either, but if someone was taking bets I'd put every penny to my name on Nintendo coming out on top, because I've seen nothing about the psp that makes me think it will last.
Anyway until the PSP is given a final design and feature list I can't say much about it. But in the end one fact is undisputed Sony doesn't have any in house games that are power sellers, just third party, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, GTAuto series, and Jax and Dexter and a couple others. And those that aren't coming to an end i'm willing to put money on probably aren't going to exclusive forever, and not if but when that happens Sony is going to be in trouble. In the Console market as well.
Anyway to get back on track, Sony has always had a clear advantage comeing in, winning exlusive Final Fantasy for PS1, and Metal Gear, for example, and if you say X-box, well they were an unknown in the console market, with only one game Halo to really put them on the map. Sony has had Jax, Metal gear, Final Fantasy 10, Tekken, and Grand Turisimo to lead and secure their dominance with the ps2.
WITH the PSP all i'm saying is I don't see anything that gives them that advantage, and while theres a chance it will do well that chance is not as big as there used to having and that means they better be afraid because the big N has stomped before and it could do it again to the PSP. I dare someone to give fact's that prove this to be untrue. In other words what does the PSP have to make the DS be afraid, in terms of games, and not power, becuase we all know that doesn't sell systems, games do.
 
While I like the DS more, I still want the PSP to survive (and I bet it will, or could even beat the DS). Because I don't think the handheld industry will change much even with the new gameplay mechanics offered by the DS. I bet we will be playing the same franchise like Mario and Zelda mostly on the handheld.
The gameplay might change a bit, but the market will not grow with just the DS.
 
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