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Olivares said he was risking deportation to speak up for himself and his former co-workers. He said he has not looked for other work because he's afraid of being caught by the authorities.

"I'm not safe anymore," said Olivares, who has been in the country 14 years

this is just one of the comments I found amazing in article. long and short is a group of illegals are suing wendys after being fired because illeagal. a lawfirm on wendys behalf did not file paperwork in time so by law they hadto fire the employees. god dam it give me a fuckign break illegals are suing because fired but they are not even legal to work here?this is not mexico go back where you came from let the people who are legal have the jobs crime would drop,unemployment would drop,and people who may not ever have chance at a job could get one. I for one hate it when go into place and they fuck up my order because they do not even speak english I am not going to learn spanish just so can order a big mac.
 
[quote name='evilmojo12542']Olivares said he was risking deportation to speak up for himself and his former co-workers. He said he has not looked for other work because he's afraid of being caught by the authorities.

"I'm not safe anymore," said Olivares, who has been in the country 14 years

this is just one of the comments I found amazing in article. long and short is a group of illegals are suing wendys after being fired because illeagal. a lawfirm on wendys behalf did not file paperwork in time so by law they hadto fire the employees. god dam it give me a fuckign break illegals are suing because fired but they are not even legal to work here?this is not mexico go back where you came from let the people who are legal have the jobs crime would drop,unemployment would drop,and people who may not ever have chance at a job could get one. I for one hate it when go into place and they fuck up my order because they do not even speak english I am not going to learn spanish just so can order a big mac.[/quote]

Uhh... wow.

Also, got a link?
 
Between the two lawsuits, 40 illegal immigrants say they were fired after the company recently found that Boyar & Miller, the law firm Wendy's had hired, never filed paperwork for a 2001 legalization program that allowed immigrants with employer sponsorship or an American spouse to apply for citizenship.

Once the discovery was made, Wendy's was forced by law to fire the employees because of their illegal status. Immigrants in the program would have been insulated from being fired.
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Wendy's promised to make them legal, and the law firm they solicited, and the workers paid for, failed to deliver on what they promised. What's the workers' fault about that?

If you read the article, the workers were looking to be made legal, and one of them claims to not have sought work for fear of being found out as an illegal.

Now, to be clear, "illegal" could mean "entered the US illegally" and it can also mean "expired work permit/VISA combined with a company that failed to help make them legal." So put your phony Lou Dobbs-inspired outrage away. Wendy's is culpable of something here, and the law firm they work with sure as shit is.

My only question is: how do these guys afford attorneys? They must have found the biggest bleeding heart in Tejas to get (1) defense in this case and (2) likely cheap/pro bono defense.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Wendy's promised to make them legal, and the law firm they solicited, and the workers paid for, failed to deliver on what they promised. What's the workers' fault about that?

If you read the article, the workers were looking to be made legal, and one of them claims to not have sought work for fear of being found out as an illegal.

Now, to be clear, "illegal" could mean "entered the US illegally" and it can also mean "expired work permit/VISA combined with a company that failed to help make them legal." So put your phony Lou Dobbs-inspired outrage away. Wendy's is culpable of something here, and the law firm they work with sure as shit is.

My only question is: how do these guys afford attorneys? They must have found the biggest bleeding heart in Tejas to get (1) defense in this case and (2) likely cheap/pro bono defense.[/QUOTE]

Agree, I think we need more information here. I have no sympathy for those who break the law, but it sounds from the OP that this was more complicated than "you're fired because you're illegal." How about a link OP?
 
*sigh* oh the Irony. How else is America going to be one of the biggest ecomonies without immigrants? Low wage, high production...duh! (i.e. Walmart) There's no way nowadays a legal citizen is gonna go out and pick fruits in the field or serve your food at a fast food joint for minimum wage or less. There's no way they'd survive (At least in california) with bills and food and god forbid if they got educated at a college. They'd die of starvation trying to pay off tuition.

Just face it, you can't live without immigrants. And besides, HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK YOUR ANCESTORS GOT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? ....I'm done ranting.

....just have a sense of humor, people.
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[quote name='mykevermin']My only question is: how do these guys afford attorneys? They must have found the biggest bleeding heart in Tejas to get (1) defense in this case and (2) likely cheap/pro bono defense.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that, if they win, they gon' git paid. If not, they'll just count their loses -- it's a very profitable gamble.

Attorneys jump on shit like this -- money and, because its media-worthy, free publicity (if they win).

Lawsuit attorneys almost always have ulterior motives.
 
[quote name='Brak']Attorneys jump on shit like this -- money and, because its media-worthy, free publicity (if they win).[/quote]

Do you have any (non-anecdotal) evidence to support this, or are you just making it up?
 
[quote name='camoor']Do you have any (non-anecdotal) evidence to support this, or are you just making it up?[/quote]

If I'm not mistaken, in the movie North Country the lawyer took the case for civil lawsuit on sexual harrassment because it was never done before. There's your free publicity take on it. it may be anecdotal, but that was the one that I thought off the top of my head.
 
[quote name='camoor']Do you have any (non-anecdotal) evidence to support this, or are you just making it up?[/QUOTE]
Oh, yeah. I totally made it up.

All people are good; attorneys are good, and strive to achieve civil rights for all. Money isn't part of it, at all.

To find evidence to support my "claim" is impossible -- if I could post brain scans of an attorney, to reveal their ulterior thinking, I'd do so. Until then, you're a sage of lie detection.

I mean, I, like, never see you make vapid, shallow and insanely bold, lucid statements with no backing evidence (aside from popular opinion) in any topic in this board. I really don't. Really.
 
[quote name='Squall835']The PC Police have taken another thread at CAG.[/QUOTE]

I concede defeat to your flawless argument. :roll:

If you read the article, on the other hand, these workers were either married to US citizens, or were part of programs to make them legal; if they were Latvian and filing suit, I'm sure you wouldn't be so opposed to the idea.

At any rate, unless you're such a xenophobe that you want to make the US like 19th century Japan, shut off from the rest of the world, you're a fool who wants to chastise people for following propoer procedure at getting legal immigrant status, just because of your foolhardy reaction to the word "illegal." What a fuckin' maroon.

EDIT: Brak, I understand your contention about lawyers - but, this is a calculated risk (which I have no certainty of the pros/cons of it); it's pretty clear that the whole problem is malfeasance on the part of the law firm that was handling the immigration paperwork on behalf of the employees and Wendy's. Maybe it's an easy case for them. Nevertheless, we are talking about Texans (not known for their love of immigrants).
 
I actually wasn't talking about the Wendy's thing at all. I was talking about how you constantly criticize people who don't share your views. If you're so determined to make a difference in the world, why don't you actually do something about it, in a constructive manner, instead of jumping down people's throats at CAG?

Big fish in a little pond, I guess...
 
[quote name='Squall835']I actually wasn't talking about the Wendy's thing at all. I was talking about how you constantly criticize people who don't share your views. If you're so determined to make a difference in the world, why don't you actually do something about it, in a constructive manner, instead of jumping down people's throats at CAG?

Big fish in a little pond, I guess...[/QUOTE]

1) You've no idea who I am and what I do. Your presumptions are nothing more than uneducated guesses.

2) Please show me where I criticized anyone for their perspective. I did criticize people too fucking lazy to use google. I didn't criticize those who are "anti-illegal" for having such a mindset, but for being so fucking reactionary that they didn't bother to read the article; the article, mind you, points out that these people were seeking legal immigrant status by legal means, and they were let down by the failings of those who they paid to make them legal.

It's far more complicated than "stupid 'messicans take our jobs and now sue for it!" I criticize a lack of reading comprehension and I criticize those who jump to conclusions without reading more than the first paragraph of the article.

Why don't you get off my back for making good arguments, and offer your own instead?
 
[quote name='Brak']Oh, yeah. I totally made it up.

All people are good; attorneys are good, and strive to achieve civil rights for all. Money isn't part of it, at all.

To find evidence to support my "claim" is impossible -- if I could post brain scans of an attorney, to reveal their ulterior thinking, I'd do so. Until then, you're a sage of lie detection.

I mean, I, like, never see you make vapid, shallow and insanely bold, lucid statements with no backing evidence (aside from popular opinion) in any topic in this board. I really don't. Really.[/quote]

Money is a part of most important decisions in America, especially in matters of an industrial or commercial nature. I don't think American citizens (esp Texans) and judges (esp Texan judges) are going to be partial to giving a group of allegedly illegal immigrants a huge cash settlement. I can't speak for all lawyers, but the talented lawyers I know or have had the pleasure to work with always want their cash upfront.

And to be honest on the fame angle, IMO a fast food case about a bunch of unknown Mexican immigrants does not scream "national headline story".

Listen, I have some big problems with lawyers - particularly patent lawyers who work for the medical industry (that ain't capitalism...). I just don't agree with ragging on some lawyers who are taking a risk by representing one of the most powerless segments of the American population.

I think many people forget that the immigrants being represented here are the same type of people whose lives were fictionalized in books such as the "Grapes of Wrath" or "The Jungle". Really, if you're going to criticize lawyers, there are a wealth of examples more worthy of your scorn.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']1) You've no idea who I am and what I do. Your presumptions are nothing more than uneducated guesses.

2) Please show me where I criticized anyone for their perspective. I did criticize people too fucking lazy to use google. I didn't criticize those who are "anti-illegal" for having such a mindset, but for being so fucking reactionary that they didn't bother to read the article; the article, mind you, points out that these people were seeking legal immigrant status by legal means, and they were let down by the failings of those who they paid to make them legal.

It's far more complicated than "stupid 'messicans take our jobs and now sue for it!" I criticize a lack of reading comprehension and I criticize those who jump to conclusions without reading more than the first paragraph of the article.

Why don't you get off my back for making good arguments, and offer your own instead?[/QUOTE]


I only have problem with illegal as in the quote I posted one openly stated was il-leagal and not looking for work fearing getting caught. What is he doing to become legal? Yes there is no question they got screwed over by the law firm that they was paying to do this correctly. but that is not wendy's fault and they only fired them because by law they had to. Wendys should not be in this lawsuit at all. I have no grudge against mexicans at all I know severall that are legal and am good friends with them my problem is the millions of il-legal ones in this country takeing our jobs. all these factorys that closed and moved to mexico because of cheap labor and in turn they come up here? I live in city that according to the us cenus has the fastest growing population of the il-legals and our crime is going through the roof. while closing border is impossible it would be cheaper on american tax payers to pay for more patrols on border than more il-leagles that is my opinion.
 
First off this is not cool.

We just had the

Oil Crisis which we never even got into

Twin Towers fatality.
Bombng of Afganistan ( and all these other stan places )
Corruption in the military
A sudden rise is crime

Oil crisis and a bunch of strikes.

The friggin Hurrican which wiped out Liousiana off the map
The fact that people is being left homeless and who cares if they steal
those store owners is not coming back for anything and the cops ran with them.If you have not heard they also had a couple people running around with a machine gun in Raccon City which they obvious stole from the policee lock up. Rape in the thunder dome.

Oil Crisis and a everybody becomes such selfish freaks.

And now this immigrant crap. Come on all they have to do is allow them all to cross and take homes elsewhere. Almost everyday I see a friggin Jew getting like six or ten passports for there cousins or other Jews. Then again I even see people comming here from China using the word F( Not fuck. the letter F ) writing the letter in my hand. Also so many Russian brides and offspring.

This is dumb to see that they do not want to have more Spanish people in this country. They teach people spanish in the schools.

Also Mexico is nice and have Universities and big important corperations. besides that if you ever wanted to learn medicine like a real pro you would have to go to Cuba. Only in Cuba they have the best of the best.
 
[quote name='musicnoteless']If I'm not mistaken, in the movie North Country the lawyer took the case for civil lawsuit on sexual harrassment because it was never done before. There's your free publicity take on it. it may be anecdotal, but that was the one that I thought off the top of my head.[/QUOTE]

He asked for non-anecdotal evidence, so you give him anecdotal evidence. Kill yourself.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That wasn't funny, truth be told.

My bad for not posting the link to the article I found, and I'm sorry google is broken in some of your neighborhoods.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-07-immigrants-wendys_x.htm[/QUOTE]

Sorry; didn't think this was a national story.

Seems to me from the article that the company is at fault. The workers paid the legal fees in good faith and the company promised them, obviously, that they would take care of it.
 
"Just face it, you can't live without immigrants. And besides, HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK YOUR ANCESTORS GOT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? ....I'm done ranting."

They arrived via ellis island, where they were processed and given legal (keyword, genius) residency status.

At least that's how mine got here.

Any other questions?
 
[quote name='musicnoteless']*sigh* oh the Irony. How else is America going to be one of the biggest ecomonies without immigrants? Low wage, high production...duh! (i.e. Walmart) There's no way nowadays a legal citizen is gonna go out and pick fruits in the field or serve your food at a fast food joint for minimum wage or less. There's no way they'd survive (At least in california) with bills and food and god forbid if they got educated at a college. They'd die of starvation trying to pay off tuition.

Just face it, you can't live without immigrants. And besides, HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK YOUR ANCESTORS GOT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? ....I'm done ranting.

....just have a sense of humor, people.
[/quote]

I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm sure as hell not going to do manual labor for minimum wage but someone has to...
 
[quote name='Veritas1204']"Just face it, you can't live without immigrants. And besides, HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK YOUR ANCESTORS GOT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? ....I'm done ranting."

They arrived via ellis island, where they were processed and given legal (keyword, genius) residency status.

At least that's how mine got here.

Any other questions?[/QUOTE]

Because Ellis Island is totally comparable to the immigration process today :roll:
 
[quote name='ElwoodCuse']Because Ellis Island is totally comparable to the immigration process today :roll:[/quote]

umm.....what?

someone intimated that we should be a little more lax with our border policies because (in their mind) our ancestors came to America the same way.

My response was a sarcastic snark that was meant to show how fucking retarded comparing the two (i.e. going to ellis island vs illegally entering the country) actually is.
 
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