what are some current games that can be flipped for easy money?

[quote name='TheRobReport']What blind man did you sell an old copy of madden too? I mean who is stupid enough to buy a used copy of an old madden for $25?

I bought a brand new copy of Madden 08 for less than $10[/QUOTE]

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
 
[quote name='djbooba']Here is my two cents, Look over the Target, Toys R Us, and Blockbuster/GameRush threads.[/QUOTE]
Fixed. :whistle2:|

[quote name='Airik']Flipping, IMO does not gain enough profit to justify the time and effort put into it. Plus it generates false shortages of newly released games and screws fans out of good deals.[/QUOTE]

*looks over at humongous backlog, 80 GB PS3 and son's DS Lite*

For most of us, flipping is more of a hobby. It's just like hunting for clearance games at Target, TRU, K-Mart and, supposedly, Sears. Actually, they both go hand-in-hand. All flipping does is further enable our addiction to picking up cheap games and adding them to our ever-growing backlogs. I'm sure there are some who do make money from flipping (thank you Nintendo for the Wii shortages) but those people are in the minority. Nobody is paying their mortgage/rent by flipping.

If you think that flipping can take the place of a job, then you're most likely 12-years old.

BTW, that PS3 is currently sitting in my closet untouched. Not only do I have a game backlog, I also have a system backlog (thanks to flipping). :lol:
 
[quote name='emg28']
If you think that flipping can take the place of a job, then you're most likely 12-years old.[/QUOTE]
Flipping was all of my income in 2008, aside from other usual investments. Just ask the IRS. And my income is higher than most of my peers.

And like anything else in life, the amount of time, effort, and research you put into it is generally proportionate to what you get out of it.

Just because YOU don't do it for a living doesn't mean that another person doesn't/can't/shouldn't.

I love the people on here who write, "I have a job for money." That's cool. I'm self employed and this is what I do. And I love every second of doing it.
 
[quote name='cranguy']Flipping was all of my income in 2008, aside from other usual investments. Just ask the IRS. And my income is higher than most of my peers.

And like anything else in life, the amount of time, effort, and research you put into it is generally proportionate to what you get out of it.

Just because YOU don't do it for a living doesn't mean that another person doesn't/can't/shouldn't.

I love the people on here who write, "I have a job for money." That's cool. I'm self employed and this is what I do. And I love every second of doing it.[/QUOTE]
Way to focus in on only one part of my post. :roll:

[quote name='emg28']I'm sure there are some who do make money from flipping (thank you Nintendo for the Wii shortages) but those people are in the minority. Nobody is paying their mortgage/rent by flipping.

If you think that flipping can take the place of a job, then you're most likely 12-years old.[/QUOTE]

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem if you do make your living from flipping. Hell, I even applaud you if you're able to support yourself from it since I know flipping isn't easy. But those of us with responsibilities, find it easier to make our living from a, hopefully, steady job/career. That's why flipping is just a hobby to us.

You're the exception, not the rule. Hopefully, mommy doesn't still do your laundry and tidy up after you or your "making a living from flipping' won't have as much meaning. ;)
 
[quote name='emg28']Fixed. :whistle2:|



*looks over at humongous backlog, 80 GB PS3 and son's DS Lite*

For most of us, flipping is more of a hobby. It's just like hunting for clearance games at Target, TRU, K-Mart and, supposedly, Sears. Actually, they both go hand-in-hand. All flipping does is further enable our addiction to picking up cheap games and adding them to our ever-growing backlogs. I'm sure there are some who do make money from flipping (thank you Nintendo for the Wii shortages) but those people are in the minority. Nobody is paying their mortgage/rent by flipping.

If you think that flipping can take the place of a job, then you're most likely 12-years old.

BTW, that PS3 is currently sitting in my closet untouched. Not only do I have a game backlog, I also have a system backlog (thanks to flipping). :lol:[/QUOTE]

I could've had a SECOND NEW PS3 with the credit I made from flipping, but instead I chose to buy a Wii and some other stuff for my buddies' brother in law and cash out my credit for real cash I could use ANYWHERE and not just Gamestop.

Speaking of flipping, I need to go check the TIV's of some games so I can get ready to dump them on FYE today if they're still getting a good enough value.

EDIT: I don't know if these values will hold up in store at FYE or not, but Legends Of Wrestlemania for the PS3 seems to get $26 on Secondspin.com and those values have never been too far off when I've gone to trade stuff in in-store in FYE.
 
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blockbuster has now turned into gamestop with their low trade in values, don't bother wasting your time there anymore
 
Actually, the original Singstar bundle still traded in for $36 the last time I remember asking them(last week or so), so not ALL values have gone down to nothing @ BBV.

We just can't be trading in so much useless shit anymore and flooding all of the BBV stores with them.
 
[quote name='emg28']Way to focus in on only one part of my post. :roll:



Don't get me wrong, I have no problem if you do make your living from flipping. Hell, I even applaud you if you're able to support yourself from it since I know flipping isn't easy. But those of us with responsibilities, find it easier to make our living from a, hopefully, steady job/career. That's why flipping is just a hobby to us.

You're the exception, not the rule. Hopefully, mommy doesn't still do your laundry and tidy up after you or your "making a living from flipping' won't have as much meaning. ;)[/QUOTE]LOL you have no fucking idea what you're talking about

(directed at emg28, not cranguy)
 
[quote name='emg28']Don't get me wrong, I have no problem if you do make your living from flipping. Hell, I even applaud you if you're able to support yourself from it since I know flipping isn't easy. But those of us with responsibilities, find it easier to make our living from a, hopefully, steady job/career. That's why flipping is just a hobby to us.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. Good luck supporting anyone other than yourself...if that...via flipping. And anyone here can say absolutely whatever they want. I can say I support by busting ghosts. Doesn't mean it's reality. Try telling a spouse or future spouse that you plan on bringing home the bread via flipping and watch them turn the other way and walk...fast.
 
Maybe they meant flipping things besides just games? But Re: flipping games for a living. I don't see how anyone could make $2-3k+ a month after taxes buying clearance/cheap games and selling/trading them. Maybe if they're a retailer and importing them from all over the US somehow, but just locally, sorry, no way. Plus the added living expenses of paying full price for your own health care/ins, no employer matching for your retirement, the list goes on.

Flipping a variety of stuff seems more plausible, sure. My father became unemployed about a year ago and started supplementing his income buying at yard sales etc. and reselling on eBay. That's electronics, antiques, tools, fishing gear, you name it though.

But something like that seems too unreliable; unless I had exhausted all other options I personally couldn't sleep at night knowing that was my occupation.

I just do it as a hobby, a few games here and there. I've made money from flipping consoles before but that was years ago.
 
[quote name='Darrith']Maybe they meant flipping things besides just games? But Re: flipping games for a living. I don't see how anyone could make $2-3k+ a month after taxes buying clearance/cheap games and selling/trading them. Maybe if they're a retailer and importing them from all over the US somehow, but just locally, sorry, no way. Plus the added living expenses of paying full price for your own health care/ins, no employer matching for your retirement, the list goes on.

Flipping a variety of stuff seems more plausible, sure. My father became unemployed about a year ago and started supplementing his income buying at yard sales etc. and reselling on eBay. That's electronics, antiques, tools, fishing gear, you name it though.

But something like that seems too unreliable; unless I had exhausted all other options I personally couldn't sleep at night knowing that was my occupation.

I just do it as a hobby, a few games here and there. I've made money from flipping consoles before but that was years ago.[/QUOTE]

First off, who actually says 'yes tax man I "flipped" games, here's what I made'? fuck the tax man. If I'm buying/selling on a small scale, any and all profit is MINE. They already have their grubby mitts into everything.

Second, if you're healthy enough, WHY do you 'need' insurance? I pay like $50 when I go to the doctor, which is very sporadically anyway, so why pay $200 or so per month for something I'm not going to use and I'm going to be bitched at for OVERusing if I wanna try and get my money's worth.

Lastly, what employers still match contributions for retirement plans anymore? None around here, that's for sure. Plus, if those funds are invested in the market, many have seen them dwindle to nothing recently.

I'd rather use the old 'mattress stuffed with cash' routine, it's safer than the market or almost any other route nowadays(except if there's a fire, cuz then you're fucked).
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']
Second, if you're healthy enough, WHY do you 'need' insurance? I pay like $50 when I go to the doctor, which is very sporadically anyway, so why pay $200 or so per month for something I'm not going to use and I'm going to be bitched at for OVERusing if I wanna try and get my money's worth.

[/QUOTE]

I get pretty upset about car insurance, whose rates increase if you actually have to use it. But without health insurance, you're taking a mighty gamble. It's not about the sporadic stuff that you'd see your doctor about, it's about the accidents. For example, my wife broke her femur recently in a horseback riding accident. The hospital/doctor/physical therapy/perscription bills are in the tens of thousands of dollars. Had we not had insurance, sure we could have negotiated that down some with a payment plan, etc.--but it'd still be in the tens of thousands of dollars.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']First off, who actually says 'yes tax man I "flipped" games, here's what I made'? fuck the tax man. [/QUOTE]

[quote name='cranguy']Flipping was all of my income in 2008, aside from other usual investments. Just ask the IRS. [/QUOTE]

You're completely misunderstanding. Not talkin' about people like me (and yourself?) who sporadically flip games , but those who claim to make a living from it. If 100% of someone's income is flipping I'm sure I don't have to explain why they'd want to pay taxes (or must I?) Do you think I was recommending paying taxes on a $10 profit from a Prince of Persia flip? :roll:

Your second question, medical bills are the #1 cause of bankruptcy, but you're right, health insurance isn't mandatory. It's kind of like gambling, and some people like to believe they can get the same treatment for every situation in an ER. I sleep better at night knowing the most I'll owe is in the hundreds, not tens/hundreds of thousands.

Anyway, kind of getting off the topic. I was simply adding that being self employed can come with additional living expenses.

I understand the economy sucks right now, but I still maintain no one who's independent makes their living just going around to local stores and flipping games all year.

As for the mattress, it made me think of this:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227066

And even a CD is safer than a mattress.
 
While I'm in the camp of folks who think the new Op is lazy and thinks members here are foolish to hand him info...
this thread is funny as heck to read...

even funnier than folks who share "recent" good flips in the other thread and wonder why values immediately plummet...
 
wow, another one of these threads, I thought they usualy got locked before they got this long. My best advise is as others ahve said do your own research, every town is different, just find the places in your town that sell low and the places that buy high, or just forget about it IMO unless you are the only CAG in your town it's not worth the time involved. most flippers end up spending more time flipping than playing.
 
[quote name='cranguy']Flipping was all of my income in 2008, aside from other usual investments. Just ask the IRS. And my income is higher than most of my peers.

And like anything else in life, the amount of time, effort, and research you put into it is generally proportionate to what you get out of it.

Just because YOU don't do it for a living doesn't mean that another person doesn't/can't/shouldn't.

I love the people on here who write, "I have a job for money." That's cool. I'm self employed and this is what I do. And I love every second of doing it.[/QUOTE]


U'm flipping or reselling? even if you are reselling you must live in a large town, I know I was unemployed for a winter and resold during that time, I made a decent amount o money, but there comes a time when even in a large city the deals run dry and the pawns are empty.
 
This thread is good fun to read through. Flipping games is the same as reselling anything else and it CAN be business for anyone willing to invest their time into it. I'm not going to share how much I make flipping, but it's more than I made as a game tester (and I was getting $13/hr full time and extra during crunch). It's ignorant for you guys to say that it isn't possible to make a living off of this. You obviously don't understand that flipping isn't just buying a clearance game and getting five bucks more on eBay. Smart flippers avoid majority of the clearance stuff because in most cases, the market becomes saturated the minute it hits clearance. I hit high yield stuff, like retro games and OOP DVDs.

Also, the flipping I do has never been dependent on buying sought-after new product like Wiis or Wii Fit. So if that is why you guys vilify flipping so much, get that picture out of your head. Most of the people who bought and sold those were the kind of people who scalp tickets outside of concerts/sporting events, either that or they just heard they were worth something, wanted some money and bought them.

And to the poster accusing me of being 12, I'm 22 and I live on my own.

If my previous comment sounded bitter about not wanting more people to get in on flipping its because I've ran into three or four people in the past month in my area that told me they were flipping. I know it goes against the credo of CAG to not help out your fellow CAG, but honestly, I think it was pretty lazy on the OPs behalf to just ask for the flips. I spent a lot of time researching and memorizing what to buy and that's why I'm successful at this.

The poster before me mentioned that flips will dry out... they won't if you research. Game prices flucuate daily and new flips emerge frequently. You can't just be told what to buy and where to buy it, you've got to learn to do the research yourself.

Plus, a lot of you guys are in the wrong section of the forum if you don't like flipping. The Deals Bragging Forum is pretty much the seedy underbelly of CAG.
 
Doomstink has it right. Reselling games is not different from reselling anything else. How is it unbelievable that making a living is possible? Heck Gamestop makes the plurality of their $7 billion revenue doing it.

That's the one mindset of CAG that I really don't understand. It's OK if Gamestop marks a used game up for 2x to 4x what they paid for it, but if an individual does it, it's somehow perceived as wrong.

[quote name='emg28']
Hopefully, mommy doesn't still do your laundry and tidy up after you or your "making a living from flipping' won't have as much meaning. ;)[/QUOTE]
Just curious, as a question of logic, how do you equate my being self-employed to not knowing how to do my own laundry?

Unnecessary belittling FTL. And you said I have the mentality of a 12-year-old?
 
[quote name='kevlar51']I get pretty upset about car insurance, whose rates increase if you actually have to use it. But without health insurance, you're taking a mighty gamble. It's not about the sporadic stuff that you'd see your doctor about, it's about the accidents. For example, my wife broke her femur recently in a horseback riding accident. The hospital/doctor/physical therapy/perscription bills are in the tens of thousands of dollars. Had we not had insurance, sure we could have negotiated that down some with a payment plan, etc.--but it'd still be in the tens of thousands of dollars.[/QUOTE]

You're exactly right. Anyone who thinks they can live without health insurance is out of their mind. If you go your entire life without having any kind of accident or never, ever getting seriously ill, I wish I had your luck.
 
That's the one mindset of CAG that I really don't understand. It's OK if Gamestop marks a used game up for 2x to 4x what they paid for it, but if an individual does it, it's somehow perceived as wrong.
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Well, I think the difference there is that gamestop employees aren't running around target with 15 copies of Price of Persia in their shopping cart LOL. Seriously though I think that is what seperates "flippers" from a place like gamestop... the games come to gamestop, they're not looking to pawns and clearance aisles to stock their shelves. Flippers, on the other hand DO prey on various stores to bolster their inventory, to which some would say is robbing the rest of us of good deals. Yeah the ethics of that are a whole other discussion entirely, I just wanted to point out the difference.


Anyways, back to this whole issue. I have NO problems with people making a living by flipping, I just don't see HOW. I mean, consider the following:

-Pawn shops/goodwills can and from my experience DO run dry from overuse. You might find something of worth here or there, but it might hardly cover the gas you had to pay to get there(even when it's part of a trip you have planned out).More importantly, alot of the shopkeeps aren't too sweet on someone making a profit off of their business, some of them might start to put alot more effort into their game pricing... that's what they've done over here.

-Blockbusters take a long time to replenish their stock, and in my opinion are currently stuck in a state of "flux" where they've mostly rid of their older valuable games and are still pricing their newer games competitively.

-Craigslist can be sporadic. You won't always find a good deal in your area, plus you usually have to be on the ball to catch CL and other online deals, if someone gets to them first you're screwed. At the same time, constantly checking a web page for deals might conflict with your other duties.

-Ebay can be reliable but it's a longer process.

-As was stated before, clearance items from the various retailers get over-saturated on the market. A profit can be made in you hold on to them until the "flip rush" dies down, but that can be a drain on expenses in the meantime.

-Unless you manage to train someone who can take over for you, being able to take time off for vacation or whatever is a pipe dream. Unless I'm wrong here, there isn't an option to put your listed items on "hold" for a week, and while you can put off messages from buyers and such it might not bode well for your service rep.

These were issues that I've experienced just while flipping part-time, about 32 hours a week(15 shopping, the rest selling, testing, shipping, etc) with about 25 go-to spots existing within roughly a fifty mile radius. Even if I was to double my working hours to take on flipping full time I would by estimate only make about $200 than my current living expsense(rather not get too personal, but for perspective I'm a single part-time student, living on his own without roomates in a moderately priced city on the cheap). Yeah, you can doubt my skills as a flipper, but I'd like to think that my tactics are just as aggressive and similiar to everyone else. Like I said, I have no problems with someone making a living off of this, I just don't see how it's possible. Scraping by month to month? Yeah I think that's possible, but providing for a family? Or putting away for retirement? I don't think that's possible, and considering that you can get some of these things from working a regular joe job with the same effort(or possibly less!) I think it's just not worth the investment. I still see it as a great on-the-side job.
 
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Hmmm, I think he's got it wrong, anyway. If anything, the mindset on CAG is the complete opposite. I see way more people complain about GameStop's used prices, but then talk about how they flipped or resold clearance games. I think the clearest example would be Wii Sports. People around here were abusing the shit out of the fact that GS had it for...what...about $10 for quite some time? Then, when GS finally caught onto the fact that the resell value of it was higher (which was a surprise it took them so long, because their "rarer" used games usually are prices along with eBay/Amazon/etc price), people were bitching about GS, as if they were doing anything different than the flippers and resellers.

And yes, no matter what the mindset is, there is a big difference, one that hurts CAGs a lot more. A flipper/reseller is clearing a store out of a potential deals we could get in on. GS, on the other hand, is there, and people bring the games to them. No one is forcing soccer moms and lazy bastards to trade stuff into GS. Plus, GS is far more useful to CAGs than flippers are. I've never gotten a newly-released used game for like $40 from a flipper.
 
[quote name='TheRobReport']What blind man did you sell an old copy of madden too? I mean who is stupid enough to buy a used copy of an old madden for $25?

I bought a brand new copy of Madden 08 for less than $10[/QUOTE]

He was being sarcastic, boyo...come on now...
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']
And yes, no matter what the mindset is, there is a big difference, one that hurts CAGs a lot more. A flipper/reseller is clearing a store out of a potential deals we could get in on. GS, on the other hand, is there, and people bring the games to them. No one is forcing soccer moms and lazy bastards to trade stuff into GS. Plus, GS is far more useful to CAGs than flippers are. I've never gotten a newly-released used game for like $40 from a flipper.[/QUOTE]

When does GS ever price new releases at $40 used? They're ALWAYS only $5.00 less than MSRP. Most of the time flippers are priced below that on eBay. Your logic about isn't entirely sound because a lot of us use craigslist to source inventory, in that case the games are being brought to us. Are we robbing you guys of deals there?

Next part is a rant directed at no one specifically:

The one thing I don't like about CAG is the rampant double standards. In most cases (by CAG standards) it is okay to flip games from one store to another for TIV, but if you sell it on eBay your a devil. What is the difference?

Another example: It's okay to hoard if a game isn't any good. If hoarding is as bad as everyone makes it out to be, there should be no circumstances in which it is tolerated.

Another example: Hiding clearance is a sin, but return and rebuy is a-ok. Return and Rebuy is just hiding a game at your house.

I enjoy posting here because I'm a gamer, but the mentality of some of the posters has me baffled.
 
The double standard has been something that has been around CAG since I've been a member. I stopped posting my clearance finds two years ago because people get their panties all in a bunch because they didn't get any games. Never mind that I got one or two games when they dropped and got the rest a week or two later. It seems there are alot of people that love to bitch about not getting game instead of putting in actual work to get said games. In the end, I'm not getting bent out of shape because some dudes decide to be internet wanksters about flipping.

And to the people that don't think you can make money by flipping. Get over yourselves. I've been making a couple hundred bucks a month for the last three years and I plan on doing it as long as CAG is around. It might not allow me to give up my day job but it pays the utilities and cable bill every month. Gaming has given me much better returns than my IRA or stock portfolio.
 
[quote name='Doomstink']That's like asking McDonald's to post the recipe to their secret sauce on the web.

Flipping is a business to many of us, and frankly, we don't need more people getting in on it.

Also, out of curiosity, please don't tell me that you are trying to get into flipping because you read that stupid article in Game Informer? NCAA 2K3 is NOT worth $400.[/QUOTE]

Thousand Island Salad Dressing?
 
Your logic about isn't entirely sound because a lot of us use craigslist to source inventory, in that case the games are being brought to us. Are we robbing you guys of deals there?
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Yeah I would think so. It doesn't seem very far removed from any other scenario... someone has something for sale, you snatch it up first and resell it. They didn't bring the item to you unprovoked, you still had to first stake your claim, it's just that instead of actually grabbing the product at a store you have to send some random an email. I'm sort of on the fence as to whether it's "fair" or not, I just don't see any difference like you do.

I don't think I've ever really noticed a double standard here on CAG... I've seen people that like to flip and those that don't, perhaps there's some folks that try to use that logic to justify their flipping I dunno but for the most part it seems strictly "for" or "against" to me.
 
Your logic about isn't entirely sound because a lot of us use craigslist to source inventory, in that case the games are being brought to us. Are we robbing you guys of deals there?
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I don't see any difference. It doesn't seem very far removed from any other scenario... someone has something for sale, you snatch it up first and resell it. They didn't bring the item to you unprovoked, you still had to first stake your claim, it's just that instead of actually grabbing the product at a store you have to send some random an email. I'm on the fence as to whether it's "fair" or not, I just wanted to note that I dont really see any difference there.

I don't think I've ever really noticed a double standard here on CAG... I've seen people that like to flip and those that don't, perhaps there's some folks that try to use that logic to justify their flipping I dunno but for the most part it seems strictly "for" or "against" to me.
 
The double standard is that there are CAGs that will encourage others to snatch up games just to trade in to Gamestop, FYE, or GameRush. Those same people will demonize anyone that buys the same games but then puts them on ebay, half.com, or amazon.

Either way, the games are disappearing from Toys R Us, Target, Sears, KMart, Wal Mart, and Best Buy. But if you use the games to make cash money instead of trade in credit, you're a dirty stinking hoarder.

The other double standard is that you have guys that used to proudly admit to hoarding for trade in values but were shamed into "changing their ways" by a couple of the old CAGs that used to believe any and all hoarding was akin to eating babies. Those people are yellow spineless bitches but now they go around and pretend to be lords of CAG because they have some sort of moral supremacy. No one really knows if they stopped hoarding but they stopped bragging about it so they feel like they can say whatever they want now.
 
actually you know what flippers really do? we go to the park, find some kid playing a ds, beat the crap out of him and take it, then sell it on ebay

and i don't flip to pay the rent and the bills i flip for heroin money.

tomorrow i will post pics of today's haul, yesterday i got 5 ds and a bunch of games.
 
[quote name='eastshore4']
-Unless you manage to train someone who can take over for you, being able to take time off for vacation or whatever is a pipe dream. Unless I'm wrong here, there isn't an option to put your listed items on "hold" for a week, and while you can put off messages from buyers and such it might not bode well for your service rep.[/QUOTE]
This is actually a valid point.

eBay DOES have a "Vacation Setting" where you can make your listings temporarily unavailable. Or you can keep them available with a universal message that the seller is away and there will be a delay in shipping your order. Of course you're still paying the listing fees, even if you make them unavailable.

A better option for long term (1+ month) is to save all your listings in Turbolister and simply do a mass relist once you get back.

I am going to have this problem soon, as I'm planning to teach in Japan for a year next year. Either I have to find someone who will ship for me or my inventory's gonna sit for a year, which isn't going to be good for its value. Else, I could have a big liquidation beforehand, which might be the best option, considering.

darkslime, you just beat up kids and take their stuff? I should try that. I've been leading them to my gingerbread house with trails of sweets and then stealing their Petz gamez. Your method seems a lot quicker and would cut down on my sweets budget.
 
[quote name='cranguy']

darkslime, you just beat up kids and take their stuff? I should try that. I've been leading them to my gingerbread house with trails of sweets and then stealing their Petz gamez. Your method seems a lot quicker and would cut down on my sweets budget.[/QUOTE]yeah, it's really quick and easy. just make sure that no one is looking so they don't call the cops.
 
[quote name='depascal22']The double standard is that there are CAGs that will encourage others to snatch up games just to trade in to Gamestop, FYE, or GameRush. Those same people will demonize anyone that buys the same games but then puts them on ebay, half.com, or amazon.

Either way, the games are disappearing from Toys R Us, Target, Sears, KMart, Wal Mart, and Best Buy. But if you use the games to make cash money instead of trade in credit, you're a dirty stinking hoarder.

The other double standard is that you have guys that used to proudly admit to hoarding for trade in values but were shamed into "changing their ways" by a couple of the old CAGs that used to believe any and all hoarding was akin to eating babies. Those people are yellow spineless bitches but now they go around and pretend to be lords of CAG because they have some sort of moral supremacy. No one really knows if they stopped hoarding but they stopped bragging about it so they feel like they can say whatever they want now.[/QUOTE]

I admit, I'm guilty of hoarding at times, though only guides since they cost a penny each(and take up shitloads of space :whistle2:#). Have I grabbed 3-5 copies of a game before for trading in? Yes I have, though NOT recently.

The last example of that was when I bought two copies of the GTAIV Special Edition for PS3 for $30 each when Blockbuster was clearing them out. I figured they would be great trade fodder and I'd get people wanting to trade $60 new release titles for something that originally cost $90+tax(I know cuz I paid $90 + tax for my original copy).

Before that was Circuit City and their copies of Dynasty Warriors Gundam for PS3 AND 360. I cleaned out both local CC stores of their copies because they were getting $33 and $35 per copy for trade.

Since the GTAIV SE's though I haven't grabbed anything in any sort of 'bulk' no matter HOW cheap, since I just don't feel like sitting on money I could be using ELSEWHERE.

I don't know how so many sit on hundreds of dollars worth of games and have them on their TL's and not worry about all that money sitting there in the in vain hopes one of those games may go up in value or someone wants one.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I don't know how so many sit on hundreds of dollars worth of games and have them on their TL's and not worry about all that money sitting there in the in vain hopes one of those games may go up in value or someone wants one.[/QUOTE]

It's the same exact thing that people do with stocks. It's thousands of dollars just sitting there in the vain hopes that they will go up. You could rush and sell everything to get your dollars back but that isn't necessarily the best business decision.

People always falsely think that the going price on the stock market/video game market is what you can sell it for at that moment. It's just a benchmark to let you know what other people have sold their item for. Either way, you've got to find a buyer. That's true for anything you sell or flip.

Buying a game for future flipping purposes is like putting money into a start up. You watch for signs that management might be screwing things up like you watch for signs that GQD is going to be releasing a reprint. In the end, you hope that your item nets you a profit (counting inflation) when you decide to sell it.

I guess it's more manly to lose thousands in the stock market instead of making a few hundred on those silly games. I just find it remarkable that people on a cheap gaming site would frown so much on money making strategies for games. Hey, there's a way for you to bascially get paid to play games but it involves leg work and a little business acumen. The nay sayers will just go red in the face telling you that it's stupid to think of games as investments.

People said the same thing about cars, coins, stamps, baseball cards, and anything else that holds more value than they were originally worth. If you're good at picking winners at anything, you should stick with that.
 
also not to mention the bestbuy sale recent where my store was cleaned out of soul calibur 4s, infinite undiscovery, and others such as pure

All those hoarders made about $2 after ebay fees, games are not a good thing to invest in.....
 
[quote name='Doomstink']When does GS ever price new releases at $40 used? They're ALWAYS only $5.00 less than MSRP.[/QUOTE]

GS is always having coupons for 20% off different systems. They also have B2G1s. With that and EDGE, I get new releases for less than $40. Constantly. The vast majority of my games are used from GS, and I generally get them the week of release or the week after. No flipper or reseller can beat that. I've gotten high profile games like Devil May Cry 4, Fallout 3, EndWar, Guitar Hero World Tour, Lost Odyssey, The Force Unleashed, and others all for under $40 in the last year thanks to GS.

Your logic about isn't entirely sound because a lot of us use craigslist to source inventory, in that case the games are being brought to us. Are we robbing you guys of deals there?
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Actually, no, my logic is fairly sound, because here is the issue at hand, I think. CAGs get fare more annoyed that flippers and resellers buy a dozen copies of a game from a store. That's what I'm referring to. I really doubt that many people care about what you do on a Craiglists board. The chances of us stumbling onto a good Craiglists deal is far less likely and entail a little more "work" that visiting a clearance thread. At the end of the day, 100% of GS' used stock comes from people going into their store on their own free will. I really doubt that much of your stock comes from Craigslist.

The one thing I don't like about CAG is the rampant double standards. In most cases (by CAG standards) it is okay to flip games from one store to another for TIV, but if you sell it on eBay your a devil. What is the difference?
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There isn't. The thing is, most stores won't take multiple copies of a game. And if they do, they might take two or three. Resellers, on the other hand, aren't buying two or three copies of a game. They are a buying a dozen. Same "crime," but it's to a different degree. Stealing $100 and stealing $100,000 are both crimes, but of a different degree.

Another example: It's okay to hoard if a game isn't any good. If hoarding is as bad as everyone makes it out to be, there should be no circumstances in which it is tolerated.
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You're absolutely right there. The thing is, just like flippers and resellers have the logic that they are looking out for themselves, everyone else does, too. So, if a game blows, they don't honestly care if you resell a million copies of it. Selfish, yes, but that's how everyone else is thinking.

Another example: Hiding clearance is a sin, but return and rebuy is a-ok. Return and Rebuy is just hiding a game at your house.
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I don't disagree with you there, either. The one thing, though, is that a store will let you rebuy. If they don't want you do it, they can just stop you. But they don't. Hiding crap, on the other hand, is a good way to get booted out of a store. I've seen it happen.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']GS is always having coupons for 20% off different systems. They also have B2G1s. With that and EDGE, I get new releases for less than $40. Constantly. The vast majority of my games are used from GS, and I generally get them the week of release or the week after. No flipper or reseller can beat that. I've gotten high profile games like Devil May Cry 4, Fallout 3, EndWar, Guitar Hero World Tour, Lost Odyssey, The Force Unleashed, and others all for under $40 in the last year thanks to GS.

Actually, no, my logic is fairly sound, because here is the issue at hand, I think. CAGs get fare more annoyed that flippers and resellers buy a dozen copies of a game from a store. That's what I'm referring to. I really doubt that many people care about what you do on a Craiglists board. The chances of us stumbling onto a good Craiglists deal is far less likely and entail a little more "work" that visiting a clearance thread. At the end of the day, 100% of GS' used stock comes from people going into their store on their own free will. I really doubt that much of your stock comes from Craigslist.

There isn't. The thing is, most stores won't take multiple copies of a game. And if they do, they might take two or three. Resellers, on the other hand, aren't buying two or three copies of a game. They are a buying a dozen. Same "crime," but it's to a different degree. Stealing $100 and stealing $100,000 are both crimes, but of a different degree.

You're absolutely right there. The thing is, just like flippers and resellers have the logic that they are looking out for themselves, everyone else does, too. So, if a game blows, they don't honestly care if you resell a million copies of it. Selfish, yes, but that's how everyone else is thinking.

I don't disagree with you there, either. The one thing, though, is that a store will let you rebuy. If they don't want you do it, they can just stop you. But they don't. Hiding crap, on the other hand, is a good way to get booted out of a store. I've seen it happen.[/QUOTE]



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if you guys need something productive to do, my car is getting kinda dirty and could use a wash
 
bidaddybruce who fucking cares if we are selfish and buy multiple copies of games. i proudly say i bought from sear's clearance 8 guitar hero aerosmith bundles, 4 copies of monster rancher freedom 2, 3 copies of timeshift, i've bought tons of copies of super mario allstars over the years, but all those times if someone really wanted those they should've got there at store opening. i never get there the second the store opens because i am lazy, there is at least a couple of hours for someone to go get the good stuff but they don't and i do. you snooze you lose
 
Calm down, brother. This is what I don't get about flippers and resellers. If you don't care what people think about you, stop flipping out when CAGs post that don't like what you do. I didn't even say I cared. I was saying how people perceive what you do. I even said some of the opinions that are stated are contradictory. If you don't like the fact that people think you're selfish, then don't do it. Or don't post about it. Or don't come here.
 
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if you guys need something productive to do, my car is getting kinda dirty and could use a wash[/QUOTE]

Kind of a silly thing for someone to say when they visit a message board just like the rest of us. But coming from you, I didn't expect much more.

[quote name='darkslime']bidaddybruce who fucking cares if we are selfish and buy multiple copies of games. i proudly say i bought from sear's clearance 8 guitar hero aerosmith bundles, 4 copies of monster rancher freedom 2, 3 copies of timeshift, i've bought tons of copies of super mario allstars over the years, but all those times if someone really wanted those they should've got there at store opening. i never get there the second the store opens because i am lazy, there is at least a couple of hours for someone to go get the good stuff but they don't and i do. you snooze you lose[/QUOTE]

Calm down, brother. This is what I don't get about flippers and resellers. If you don't care what people think about you, stop flipping out when CAGs post that don't like what you do. I didn't even say I cared. I was saying how people perceive what you do. I even said some of the opinions that are stated are contradictory. If you don't like the fact that people think you're selfish, then don't do it. Or don't post about it. Or don't come here.
 
[quote name='CaoPi']also not to mention the bestbuy sale recent where my store was cleaned out of soul calibur 4s, infinite undiscovery, and others such as pure

All those hoarders made about $2 after ebay fees, games are not a good thing to invest in.....[/QUOTE]

Again with the bullshit. Let's take three examples of how games haven't brought in massive profit and then just declare that games aren't good investments.

The Dow Jones went from 8500 to roughly 8350 from Jun 18 to close of business Jun 22. Therefore, all stocks are bad investments are you're all retards for investing in them.
 
Wow, so much anger in this thread. I never said people couldn't make some extra money flipping, just that I don't believe anyone makes their entire living locally flipping only games.

Of course I've been wrong before.

As far as hoarding, if it's clearance and I'm the only one looking I'll pick up whatever I want without feeling bad. If it's a sale and a throng of people are there for the same thing (like the BB $10 sale), usually I just get what I want for me and maybe a friend who's stuck in class at the time.

I was actually helping other people find games they were looking for that day after I already had the ones I wanted. Surprisingly most everyone was helping each other out. There were a couple of hoarders sure, but that's not something that would stop me from being friends with a person. :roll:

Oh and about games being a bad investment, my dad has some sealed old gen games that beg to differ. Vs what he paid for them back in the day, anyway. Nothing that can make him rich like stocks in a start-up company.
 
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There isn't. The thing is, most stores won't take multiple copies of a game. And if they do, they might take two or three. Resellers, on the other hand, aren't buying two or three copies of a game. They are a buying a dozen. Same "crime," but it's to a different degree. Stealing $100 and stealing $100,000 are both crimes, but of a different degree.
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Don't you remember Rock Revolution at Target? People were buying 6+ copies a piece and flipping to Blockbuster and everyone was a-ok with it. All I'm saying is that if you switched "Rock Revolution" to "Soul Calibur IV" and "Blockbuster" to "eBay" people would throw a tantrum on this site. It's a double standard.

I understand where you're coming from, though, as a reseller I get beat to deals all the time (usually by other resellers) and it makes me as angry as the next guy. The thing you guys don't realize is that we're not all blood-sucking demons looking to steal deals away. There's been many ocassions where I've had a game in my hand at a store that someone else wanted and I've gladly handed it over. I'm not one to literally steal deals out from under someones nose. One time I even surrendered a copy of Persona: Revelations (PS1) marked at $14.99 to a kids mom who was looking for it for her daughter (who had just gotten into Persona 3). We're not all the villains that people on the board make us out to be.

There is exceptions, though, but they tend to be people who don't know shit about games. Many of the flippers in my area are old, toothless southerners, who wouldn't know the first thing about video games. They just buy whatever looks like a deal and they're the ones you need to be worried about. The resellers on CAG (at least the ones I know) are genuinely good people who are not out to rob you of deals. The aforementioned non-gamer flippers are the ones who lurk these boards and jump on your deals.
 
[quote name='CaoPi']
All those hoarders made about $2 after ebay fees, games are not a good thing to invest in.....[/QUOTE]

Depends on what games you invest in. I had a $14 copy of ICO that turned into $89 within 10 days. That would seem to be a pretty good investment.
 
The key to flipping is trying to match certain sales to each other.

One time I flipped was when TRU had their $1-$2 per game sale and then Gamestop had their trade 3, get and extra $15 sale.

Another good flip I had was with Lumines on the PSP. $10 games selling for an average of $35 each was awesome.
 
I like flipping people off more than flipping games.

I also enjoy doing front flips and back flips.

Not to mention flip flopping my stance on political issues.

I like wearing flip flops.

Flip Top from Mega Man is cool too.
 
[quote name='CaoPi']also not to mention the bestbuy sale recent where my store was cleaned out of soul calibur 4s, infinite undiscovery, and others such as pure

All those hoarders made about $2 after ebay fees, games are not a good thing to invest in.....[/QUOTE]

I tried to stay away from this thread because it just sounds like a bunch of idiots arguing back and forth (no offense to those of you who I know ;)), but I just had to intervene here. As was said before, clearances are the worst places to buy flips. Especially well-advertised clearances like this BB clearance.

I won't mention names, but there is a CAG who stocked up on 18 copies of a certain game for around $14-$17 each. For arguments sake, lets say he got 9 disc only and 9 complete. Complete copies are now worth $80-$100 and disc only are about $60.

Lets do some simple math here.

18*$17(Using the higher number just for arguments sake) = $306 investment
9*$60 + 9*90 = $1,350 before ebay fees
$1,350 * .11 (Around what he would have paid ebay) + $1,350*.03 (Paypal fees) + 2.5*18 shipping fees = $234 in fees/shipping costs

$1,350-$234 = $1,116 profit

That CAG more than tripled his initial investment in less than 3 weeks time. If you can show me someone who can do that in the stock market without taking a huge risk, then please direct me that person so I can give him/her all my money to invest in the stock market.
 
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